hollow earth

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Op vrijdag 10 september 2004 10:19 schreef ChaoZzZzz het volgende:
Als de aarde hol van binnen is, hoe behoud hij dan zijn zwaartekracht?

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Op vrijdag 10 september 2004 11:53 schreef Karboenkeltje het volgende:
Ik vind het bespottelijk. De Holle Aarde theorie ook maar die vervuilt de taal die ik spreek tenminste niet onnodig.

Er is ook geen enkele fysieke aanleiding om aan te nemen dat de aarde hol is terwijl er wel een boel aanleidingen zijn om aan te nemen dat de aafde heel erg massief is in de kern.

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Op vrijdag 10 september 2004 11:57 schreef coz het volgende:

wat vindt je nog meer bespottelijk dan, of las ik het niet goed ?

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Op vrijdag 10 september 2004 12:01 schreef Karboenkeltje het volgende:
Zeg eens, een tikfout is iets heel anders dan het onnodig gebruik van leenwoorden.

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Op vrijdag 10 september 2004 12:07 schreef coz het volgende:

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ok dat was idd flauw, maar daar je niet iets in de toekomst bedoelde (of mss wel, maar dat is een ander topic) wat bedoelde je met andere bespottelijke dingen ?

edit: ik denk de TT in engels dus

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Op vrijdag 10 september 2004 12:23 schreef Karboenkeltje het volgende:

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In the late 17th century, British astronomer Edmund Halley proposed that Earth consists of four concentric spheres and "also suggested that the interior of the Earth was populated with life and lit by a luminous atmosphere. He thought the aurora borealis, or northern lights, was caused by the escape of this gas through a thin crust at the poles."
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Edgar Allan Poe used the theme of the hollow earth in The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket (1838). Jules Verne wrote Journey to the Center of the Earth in 1864 and Edgar Rice Burroughs (1875-1950), the creator of Martian adventures and Tarzan of the Apes, also wrote novels set in the hollow earth. Legends often ignite the imagination of fiction writers and fiction often ignites the imagination of the pseudoscientist.
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In 1906, William Reed published The Phantom of the Poles in which he claimed that nobody had found the north or south poles because they don't exist. Instead, the poles are entrances to the hollow earth. In 1913, Marshall B. Gardner privately published Journey to the Earth's Interior in which he rejected the notion of concentric spheres but swore that inside the hollow earth was a sun 600 miles in diameter. Gardner, too, claimed that there were huge holes a thousand mile wide at the poles. Byrd flew over the North Pole in 1926 and over the South Pole in 1929, but he didn't see these entrances to the nether world. It is pointless to point out this fact or to refer hollow earthers to satellite photographs that do not show holes at the poles. They are sure that there is a government conspiracy to cover up the truth.*
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The belief in a hollow Earth had some adherents in Nazi Germany. There is even a legend which says that Hitler and his chief advisers escaped the last days of the Third Reich by going through the opening at the South Pole.
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Finally, Diane Robbins has seen the light and claims that ADAMA receives telepathic messages from Telos, a city beneath Mt. Shasta in northern California, which are channeled by Lailel and provide all kinds of wonderful messages about perpetual peace and prosperity. You can read about it online or you can order "The Call Goes Out from the Subterranean City of Telos" for $20 plus shipping. That seems like a small price to pay for such esoteric wisdom. There truly is a seeker born every minute.

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Op zaterdag 11 september 2004 21:59 schreef Aurora025 het volgende:
Imagine
No Hell below us
Above us only sky.

--John Lennon--

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Op maandag 13 september 2004 00:12 schreef newsman het volgende:
Ik heb er iets van gezien op discovery channel,ze beweren daar als je op de zuidpool grotten wilt gaan bezoeken moet je daar een vergunning voor hebben.Er zou een mooi wereld aanwezig zijn zeiden ze.Maar ik geloof er niet zo in.

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Op zaterdag 11 september 2004 21:59 schreef Aurora025 het volgende:
Imagine
No Hell below us
Above us only sky.

--John Lennon--

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The Earth is HOLLOW! Its hollow shell is about 1500 miles thick at the equator, and about 500 miles thick near the polar ENTRANCE HOLES. The North Polar ENTRANCE HOLE is about 1400 miles in diameter and centered close to the Earth's axis of rotation, while the South Polar ENTRANCE HOLE is slightly smaller, perhaps 1300 miles in diameter, and somewhat off-center. The ENTRANCE HOLES are usually filled up with some kind of fog. At the geometric center of the Earth is a glowing ball of plasma, about 600 miles in diameter, which serves as the CENTRAL SUN that warms and illuminates the Earth's inner surface.

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Days 9-11 Start the search for the North Polar Opening to the Inner Continent.
Days 12-14 Once found, travel up Hiddekel River to City of Jehu. *
Days 15-16 Take a monorail trip to City of Eden to visit Palace of the King of the Inner World.
Days 17-18 Return trip back to City of Jehu on the monorail. We will then continue our journey through the North Polar Opening, on board the Yamal, for the return trip home.

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* Please note that if we are unable to find the Polar opening, we will be returning via the New Siberian Islands to visit skeleton remains of exotic animals thought to originate from Inner Earth.

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Op dinsdag 14 september 2004 17:51 schreef Ringo het volgende:
Argatha en Shamballa.

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Op dinsdag 14 september 2004 18:03 schreef Ringo het volgende:
De inhoud van de aarde is puur hypothetisch.

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Op dinsdag 14 september 2004 20:30 schreef Karboenkeltje het volgende:
Je bedoelt hopelijk 'theoretisch'...

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Op dinsdag 14 september 2004 20:38 schreef Ringo het volgende:

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Ben nogal makkelijk met wetenschapsterminologieėn.

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Op dinsdag 14 september 2004 21:24 schreef Karboenkeltje het volgende:

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Ik niet, je moet me eens zien als een onfortuinlijke ziel per ongeluk de term "radio-actieve straling" hardop in mijn bijzijn uitspreekt.

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Op woensdag 15 september 2004 10:46 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
Heeft iemand die link over Jan Lamprecht ,die ik gegeven heb ,al eens gelezen (heel interesant gaat over de natuurkundige mogelijkheid en niet de Mythologische !! ).

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Hollow Halley - Now 80 is the last to claim omniscience but had thought that the idea of the hollow Earth (and Venus and Mercury) started with Captain John Cleves Symmes in 1823 and since had been discredited but a glance at the Hollow Planets web site, the work of one Jan Lamprecht shows how wrong one can be. Lamprecht, an "original thinker" (OT) to use Patrick Moore's kindly term, not only seems to think the so-called terrestrial planets are hollow but also has an eye on the gas giants such as Jupiter as well (the words porcine aviation spring uncharitably to mind). Lamprecht traces the genesis of this idea to none other than Sir Edmund Halley. Lamprecht has obviously done a lot of research on the past history of the hollow Earth idea and fascinating reading it is. Sadly none of this makes any of it true and Lamprecht fails to refute the excellent evidence of the makeup of the Earth's interior gleaned from seismology and plate tectonics. In support of his ideas Lamprecht is happy to cite continental drift (plate tectonics) as a theory at first ridiculed and then accepted with obvious implications for his own theories, yet then goes on to suggest that plate tectonics may after all be an illusion. This seems to indicate a certain inconsistency and a tendency to cherry pick only supportive evidence - something many OTs do. Another hallmark of this mindset is to selectively appeal to religion/mythology (80 makes no great distinction between the two). This usually means an overdependence on Judaeo/Christian bible stories (for most published OTs seem to be heir to the Western tradition). Lamprecht at least includes a reference to Tibetan and Eskimo (sic) legend and even Dungeons and Dragons! (Nessie crops up here as well as it is suggested that the Hollow Earth may be a refuge for such lake monsters and assorted dinosaurs.) Another ransacker of the bible for evidence of his theories was Immanuel Velikovsky, he of the Solar System as a non-Newtonian pool table with comets turning into planets and careering around to fit biblical "events". (In fact Lamprecht's mention of "the work of a Russian scientist who believed that certain short period comets were ejected from Jupiter" would seem to refer to Velikovsky but 80 failed to find his name in the sources quoted. Strangely enough both L Sprague de Camp and Willy Ley are cited elsewhere on these pages which surely would have them spinning in their respective graves!)
There is a great deal more on this site but some things are surprisingly lacking (did I hear the words rigorous proof?) for 80 is sadly unable to find a reference to Brinsley Le Poer Trench, one time president of Contact International and past vice-president of the British UFO Research Association, (see past View) who, in 1976, produced a book, "Secret of the Ages" linking UFOs with the hollow earth. In case Lamprecht has possibly missed this 80 offers the information to facilitate further research. Trench was also a member of the British House of Lords (or Jurassic Park) and initiated a debate on UFOs.

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Lesson #1: The Earth is NOT a ball of molten lava. The first question everyone asks me when they hear of the Hollow Planet idea is: "Where does lava come from then?" The (completely FALSE) impression schools have created in everyone's minds is that the Earth is this red-hot ball of lava. They then imagine that lava from volcanoes comes from the centre of the Earth. Ask any geologist or seismologist if this is true and you will discover they disagree. Standard geology and seismology texts tell a different story. Scientists know that most lava is slightly radioactive and they believe it is produced either by decaying radium (decayed uranium) or through stresses in the crust. Lava is created by heat generated within the crust of the Earth. The crust is said to be no more than 20 miles thick, although to be honest nobody has ever actually penetrated the crust so we really do not know what (if anything different) lies beneath it. Scientists will tell you that lava is a crustal phenomenon and all lava comes from no deeper than 20 miles down.

http://www.hollowplanets.com/journal/Seismic01.asp

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Op donderdag 19 april 2007 10:47 schreef RickySway het volgende:
...Zoals deze week aangetoont had niet Newton maar Einstein gelijk ...

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Op donderdag 19 april 2007 10:47 schreef RickySway het volgende:
Zwaartekracht bestaat niet. Zoals deze week aangetoont had niet Newton maar Einstein gelijk rondom zwaartekracht. Er is geen aantrekkende kracht aanwezig, enkel de vervorming van ruimte en tijd door massa zoals de relativiteitstheorie van Einsteinie zegt Wat betekent dat? We worden niet naar de aarde toe 'getrokken' maar we woren 'vervormd' door de constante aanwezigheid van energie in bepaalde ruimte en tijd.

Zwaartekracht is dus geen term die je kunt gebruiken in het debunken van de holle aarde theorie.

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Op donderdag 19 april 2007 11:09 schreef CrackerJack het volgende:

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Hoe bedoel je, zoals deze week aangetoond?

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Op donderdag 19 april 2007 10:47 schreef RickySway het volgende:
ok even advocaat v/d duivel spelen en holle aarde verdedigen.

allereerst: 'waar komt de zwaartekracht dan vandaan'
oh oh oh. Wetenschappelijke theorie geeft geen waarheden aan, onthoud dat eens goed.

Zwaartekracht bestaat niet. Zoals deze week aangetoont had niet Newton maar Einstein gelijk rondom zwaartekracht. Er is geen aantrekkende kracht aanwezig, enkel de vervorming van ruimte en tijd door massa zoals de relativiteitstheorie van Einsteinie zegt Wat betekent dat? We worden niet naar de aarde toe 'getrokken' maar we woren 'vervormd' door de constante aanwezigheid van energie in bepaalde ruimte en tijd.

Zwaartekracht is dus geen term die je kunt gebruiken in het debunken van de holle aarde theorie.

Waar komt lava vandaan?
lees post hierboven

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Op donderdag 19 april 2007 12:23 schreef Lambiekje het volgende:
Zo kan, als alle chinezen te gelijk springen, de aarde een beetje uit z'n baan gebracht worden. paar centimeters.

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Op donderdag 19 april 2007 11:41 schreef proteus het volgende:
Natuurlijk bestaat zwaartekracht wel. Einsteins interpretatie is alleen anders (en waarschijnlijk correct). De kromming in de ruimte-tijd wordt nog steeds veroorzaakt door massa, dus maakt het voor Hollow Earth niet uit of Newton of Einstein gelijk had.

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Op donderdag 19 april 2007 12:39 schreef RickySway het volgende:
Of die massa nou solide is in een bolvorm, of een holle 'ballon'-achtige planeet met twee uitgangen veranderd niks aan de zwaartekracht en het gedrag van de aarde in dit vaccuum..... zolang de massa van de twee vormen maar gelijk zijn.