Organisation of Visiting Races II

Open questions from the last topics

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 13:22 schreef P8 het volgende:
Thank you a lot for answering all of my questions. I really appreciate that

But i came up with a new question (asking questions to a spokeswoman of the aliens, or someone with an incredible amount of fantasy and intelligence, is like a drug for me )
I've heard a few times that water is the source of every life. that and oxigen. Is that true? do all aliens need oxigen and water? Which results in; do all of their homeworlds have a great amount of water en oxigen? And how do they fix the problem within the Counsil about the oxigen percentage in the air. It's nearly impossible all aliens are satisfied with the same air around them.

And do you have anything more to say about martians? what do they look like etc. That's the first thing i find very hard to belief, because if there WAS life on the surface once, there should still be traces about it now. Like ruins etc.

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 13:46 schreef P8 het volgende:
And can you tell me whether i saw an alien craft or not.
about three years ago, i was looking at the sky. and someone i knew was also looking at the sky (dont ask me for the situation, since it was rather bizar ). But it was dark outside and suddenly i saw a strange black object float through the sky. Since it was dark it was very hard to judge te distance of the object. But i think it was flying at about 1500 feet and it was quite big. It was moving with a constant speed all the time in 1 direction. There werent lights attached on it and when i saw the shape a size almost instanly i thought why i wasnt hearing it. It was totally quiet. And he who was laying next to me, saw it too. I didnt put to much attention to it, since that was not needed. i mean, i didnt know what it was back then, i dont know it now, and i probably wont ever know it.

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 14:21 schreef Kesum het volgende:
Hi,

I,ve been following this topic for a while now and i was wondering.

When a big asteroid is coming for our planet. Will they save us?

Greetings

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 16:50 schreef jogy het volgende:
Oe!

I've got a question for you, Eathsister!

Why, for the love of [name] did the aliens put us here in the way that they did? why didn't they just put a colony of fully wise and educated beings here? i should think that it would be a lot easier than to put some DNA in a monkey and let it evolve in milions of years or whatever they have done.

I mean, here we are, putting lasers in space and killing eachother. I'll grant you this, we are not boring, that's for sure.. are we some kind of experiment for them, or are we to them what a television is for us? pure entertainment?

That's one thing i can't understand really.

Ow, and can you explain why Tokyo has been chosen to be the first contact location?

je bent die van mij vergeten jogy, (translation: jogy forgot to quote mine)


Hi EarthSister, thanks for your time answering all these questions, i hope you wil have more time answering mine, cause they are plenty.

First a few 'simple' questions:
What exactly is done to get this whole diplomatic relationship with earth going?
How should I picture this organisation? are 3 aliens working on the administration, are 10 others writing manuals/books/tutorials for humans so we know what to after the aliens have revealed themselfs? What work has been designated for you to do? Can you tell us about your average workday when you are working on the project and how other aliens are handling their jobs?

What goals do aliens have in life? what is their drive? or can even the highest of evolved aliens be seen as lifeforms that like humans enjoy simple pleasures and follow their dreams and hopes?

Onto the heavy stuff:

About consciousness: You have talked lots about how there are these different states of consciousness and how communication with aliens is mainly "spiritual" and sometimes physical. I have some questions on this subject: why wouldnt we humans experience consciousness in its fullest, as in all states at once? what blocks?
I think about the phenomena of consciousness a lot in and try to read about it in science papers. Some conclusions i have made are the following:
One could ask oneself, why does consciousness exist at all?
Ok, from the start: It's all evolution and cause and effect, i push someone, he falls over, its as simple as that. An organism like a human would function perfectly without it, all the data needed is already available, "hard coded" into the brain, just like a computer programmed to do things and react to input, you could say the brain is running its human-simulation program, understand? nature is all chaos accidently folding into patterns which make up life as we know it. This theory is widely accepted among scientists.
So conciousness is not nessecarry, but yet there it is, im experiencing. Conclusion: We are just watchers, just experiencing our lives that our bodies are living.
So in the end, this could mean that consciousness is an integral part of the universe and not just some effect made by our brain(stimulated at most). Can you comment on this? have the aliens talked about this? how far is their research on this subject? any conclusions you could share? I believe earth science on this subject is moving into this direction.

I agree that there has to be a connection between everything(the physical, consciousness and whatnot) or one wouldnt know about the another and our consciousness could not be experiencing our lives since it's physical. I believe our view and definition of the physical world should be altered, it should explain and give us the connection between the different states.
So in the end your following claim could pose true:
""The physical is what we are well aware of. The other three are spiritual states together. (but the physical is spiritual also, and the spiritual is in some ways physical also)""
What is it you mean by saying "spiritual experience"? What is "spiritual" anyway? I think the word has been abused very heavily, everyone seems to have its own definition. Could you clear this up by giving the aliens' definition/explanation of it?

About god: I am not a religious person, I'm agnostic (those who just dont know). How is god pictured? (dont tell me its an old man with a long white beard) Is it something physical? or pure consciousness? or some natural force? .... ?
Is god believed to be a natural occurence in nature/the universe? Can I ask what was before god? or am I dealing with false presumptions? please enlighten me if you can.

A follow up on the questions about god:
Do aliens have an answer on this?: why is there 'something' rather then 'nothing' ?

Do you think humans can add to the research on these fields?

Again, thank you for your time answering all these question.

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Havoc : Do you honestly believe your truth is the only truth?
Man you are really ignorant, arrogant and smallminded .
Maybe you could step of your high horse and try to think outside your own little box. Really remarkable that you who tries to pronounce some kind of disclosing truth to the world is so narrowminded that he thinks that his information is the absolute truth and wisdom.

I got news for you. You don't know Jack shit. And Jack just left town.

you are a sad person , you have honestly no intelligence on the matter , that's for sure.
if you could only READ...it could have made a difference.

ill get my post back here , to explain it piece by piece.

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i know enough earth sister , your cover is gone.

Cover : some people see all as truth , some see some as truth , some see none as truth , these are the curtain , of discussion , and when it falls , it falls , in this case one of the 3 has fallen , making the cover gone.

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i do thank you for the hard work you have put in this.

this tells that it is not all that is disinformation

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i just dont like disinformation.

this tells that there was disinformation.

with other words , i found out that parts were not true.
making not the whole story untrue , but did make it enough for me.
there are a lot of people who know things , and alot of places to look.
why should i stay on only one ground.

calling me ignorant and high horsed?...
impudent , intelligence ...like coz said , Its never ok
it seems it does not matter , if i am believing , non believing , or believing some.
i now see that the intellect here is on ground level.
i do not put myself above , its clear that people cannot take meeting someone who does know things they do not.
this is called , jealousy.
it is not i that puts myself on high horses , i DO know my ground.
it is you that puts yourself on a pony.

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Ringo : Bye BaajGuardian. Misstra Know-it-All has spoken.

starting that way , you are all big talk.

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What's your reason for being so firmly negative about the information given?

information , and sources , documents (authentic) , and background + experience

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Could you expose your knowledge to the public?

i am doing that allready 2 years now.

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Or are we just too ignorant and not allowed to enter the Ivory Tower[quote] i do not make ignorance , people make themselfe ignorant, if one wants to know\find anything , they should seek [quote], as this may affect the mental superiority of its inhabitant?

there is no superiority , is this post a way of attacking me because you dont know anything?

Beste BG, kan je niet gewoon je eigen debunk-topic openen? Je gedraagt je als de Spaanse Inquisitie btw.

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 20:26 schreef The_Shining het volgende:
Beste BG, kan je niet gewoon je eigen debunk-topic openen? Je gedraagt je als de Spaanse Inquisitie btw.

wat is jou probleem nu weer ?
ik word aangevallen omdat ik een aantal desinformant pieces uit de tekst neem.
en aangeef aan Earthsister dat ik dus genoeg heb gezien , is wel zo beleefd het even mee te delen.
vervolgens word ik uitgemaakt voor kortzichtig , arrogant en weet ik het wat niet allemaal.
en nu mag ik daar niet even op ingaan?

ik begin nu echt pissig te worden hiervan.
doen jullie het er om?

I think BG is rather cute

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 20:45 schreef Ringo het volgende:

[..]

Hence, superiority.
Maybe I don't know anything, maybe I do.
About what, all together? This is not a game, no competition between experts and ignorants. I may believe you having studied ufology for two years now and yes, there could exist some things or life forms that WE don't know and YOU do but please, it might just be a change of perspective realizing that having some very precious knowledge about (and apart from) the rest of the world, doesn't make any sense IF you don't want to share it.

i dont understand you , really ...
first you let me for a fool , for what i have to say.
i never have ever set my foot away on the subject.
i was open , and kept all options alive.
and everyone laughed.
now i say , that for me the boat is off , on this ground.
not because it would be a hoax , it is not.
but for there is alot of disinformation in it.,
i doubt that it is so that Earth sister does it on purpose.
i did thank her for her time.,

still according to my own experience . sources and time
some things just did not make sense.

no abductions.
No other bases , all bases are military , (four corners meeting points? WRONG!!! )
contact makes implants....WRONG... the ones who do implant are NOT the ones who should be welcomed.
and lots more.
if i calculate it all together , it sounds not only as disinformation...
it is the perfect example , wich i know(by source and experience) that is disinformation

i did not work 2 years on the cases , i give online what i know (and many others know) 2 years now.
(on the sites , and before some other boards and web pages etc.)

my interrest in the matter is like 10 years now.
i have studied (not on school no , but libraries , internet and own experience) the matter
i have made myself think tank for months
talked with people about it every day.

why in the name of enki , am i called ignorant , why am i called arrogant.

i never served myself as a higher being or allknowing
i talk with what i have.

and changing grounds seems to inflict frenzy mobs around me.
so it seems
that if i say i believe , i am nuts
if i say i dont believe , i am ignorant and arrogant
if i say i believe parts , im not opened up

so...impossible , this crowd.
i share all that i have.

i dont lock this information see
i said myself , not all is disinfo , some is , and that is reason for me. to seek another ground

please do , understand you all , for i am growing tired of this,

let's all stay on-topic laddies. And let's stay nice to eachother, since nancy is a guest here.

Ik ben ook een gast hier hoor.
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Topic heeft een hoog Char gehalte.


Topic has a great Char feeling over it.

Ah. Thank you, Ringo and jogy. I was a little lost for a while.

There are other unanswered questions on the original thread also, so I will answer those too here- the ones I can, I mean.

coz, sorry about my confusion over the Mexico DoD ufo event and OOparts. I was very tired and the DoD and OO confused me so I only answered one item of the three. There have been many sightings in many places, so when I read "Mexico" I thought first of Roswell, like maybe DoD means "New" in Dutch or something, lol, until I read your next post. I did not know which event you referred to. Of course I know of the Mexico event.

To answer, I did not know about it until the press conference. Then Jack and I asked our alien contacts about it and discussed the video and public information with them, but the aliens would not answer us directly whether the objects were alien crafts or give us any extra or privileged information about the event.

To explain a little: This happens (the aliens do not tell us everything we ask) due to the politics and ramifications of the rest of the circumstances surrounding particular kinds of events. There are many things going on that we are not allowed to be a part of or know about, both because there are already other people handling those things, and because to know some kinds of things and speak about them in public would put us in danger. We are supposed to be left secure that everything we learn from the aliens and work on with them is safe for us to talk freely about. There have only been a few things that we have needed to know about unavoidably that we can't talk about. Not having certain information at all makes it useless for anybody to consider trying to force it out of us.

It amazes me to no end, but I am not surprised, that such an event can happen in such a blatant, public way, but then the people are so easily confused by official conflicting information! So that then, when they just do not know WHAT to think, they will loyally believe whatever their leaders tell them to believe. Each person is more afraid of not believing what all the "correct" people believe than of being mislead. They are all right with being mislead as long as they are all mislead together with their popular friends.

As for OOparts: A very long time ago I overheard the term and some discussion about them between some investigators at a group meeting of ufologists. I was preoccupied and I did not pay much attention. I think I have heard the term a few other times also. My alien contacts have not discussed OOparts with me, that I recall. You know more about them than I do, and your descriptions are interesting. Of course I think that at least some of them are bits of advanced technologies left by the visiting races.

Jack and I don't follow or study the ufo field. We don't read all the books or go to all the conferences or group meetings. We study the aliens and work with the material that our family's experiences present. I write a lot, and I talk to many kinds of individual people all over the world. I do radio shows sometimes and Jack and I give talks to groups sometimes, but at this point in our lives we need to focus mostly on our children and businesses.

I am not well-up on all the ufo gossip or who's on first.

Nancy , just one question.

and i can state the whole question in one

Majic. Majority counsil , majority controll , Maj , MJ12 , Rudloe Manor , Whitehal

can you answer it?

BaajGuardian

Take it easy, my friend. You are judging me too quickly. I see here you misunderstand some of the things I have said but I won't hash them all out with you. This happens in the telling all by itself -- I have not said things well or completely, or I do not have enough information which may be missing something you have some other pieces of knowledge of, or your perception of something you know is a little different from my perception of the same thing that I know.

I understand how you feel. This happens to me all of the time. I have met thousands of other alien experiences, but never anybody else, besides my husband, who has the amount or depth of teachings given by the alien races. The more I learn, the more I know that it is "impossible" for anybody to receive it all, or to receive it all exactly correctly. I just promise on my life to always do my best to preserve and relay with integrity.

Sometimes the aliens correct me when I have gotten something wrong, but only when it is so wrong that it actually makes some kind of a significant difference in the way I tell it to others.

When people ask me questions, I try to answer just what is asked. This is the best way to avoid overload or confusion. I do not go into all the exceptions or descriptions that I know of, unless that is also asked for or I think it is called for. This is also the way the aliens teach things to me.

The way you say these things back to me is also as wrong- a different perception you got of each thing that I said:

no abductions. (There are no longer any abductions. There used to be some.)

No other bases , all bases are military , (four corners meeting points? WRONG!!! )
(The underground building at four corners is not a base, but a storage facility and meeting ground that belongs only to the aliens races. Our military knows what the place is, and they are set up there to watch, and to cause the area to look like a human miliarty base. All actual military bases on Earth above and below ground are human- owned and operated. That is my clear understanding which I will stick by. If I find I am mistaken in what I have been told and taught about it, I will tell you. I am not offended or defensive against your difference of knowledge or opinion.)

contact makes implants....WRONG... the ones who do implant are NOT the ones who should be welcomed.
(All visiting races give their permanent human contacts implants. No alien race that is visiting Earth is unwelcome now, but in the past that was not true. The implants are not all the same or do all the same things. They are also made of different materials and have different abilities. Some dissolve on their own. Some are made of organic materials and are undetectable to humans in any way. Some are placed into our physical bodies and some are placed into our spiritual bodies. I think you only know about a select kind of implants for a certain purpose if you believe what you say. I know that there is an abundance of things that you and I both could not know about implants. Maybe I know something you do not know about them and maybe you know something. Maybe our perceptions and understandings are just different.)

I don't think you are lying that you have your own sources, but you might be. I am sure that when I hear your stories I will find the same inconsistencies that you find with mine. That is not what I assess another's intentions on. If I get really stuck with somebody who opposes me, either my information or my person, I can ask my alien contacts about them. If it is helpful to do so, they will talk to me about them so I can understand what is up with them being angry with me. I do not feel that you are a person against me, but only defensive because I speak with authority. I feel that you just misunderstand my position and your own position.

You have not told me what your sources are, maybe I am wrong in assuming that you have alien contact. Maybe you learn things only from human groups. Maybe both. Maybe you trust each equally and are caught in the middle somewhere.

I will never prove everything I say. Even if I proved one single thing, that would not prove all the rest. Besides there are natural mistakes all through it, incompletes and misperceptions. I am only one human, and I know that we humans are ALL children playing in our sandbox, looking up at the sky to see evolution. You and I may disagree, but neither one of us is all right. So to see who you want to work with, look at who is forming structures and who is throwing sand.

Sometimes I meet people in the field who are completely lying for criminal (agents) or personally devious mental reasons. Sometimes they are such a problem against the true sharing of ideas and information, that they bend everybody else they can away from any other person who they fear actually does have advanced personal experiences with the aliens. Because they know that somebody like me can expose any person who is fabricating events and experiences.

I am only sure that unless you and I were together for alien encounters and discussed them one by one, and talked together with the alien people, we would always have different material, different details of materials, different perceptions of the same material, and sometimes opposing information.

If you can see that somebody is truly on their own path, working hard for the right reasons, keeping things as straight as they can, do not stop them when you see them weaving in their lane. This is a brand new field for humans, and a few of us are in front cutting our way through the brush and over the rocks and around the trees. Look at where we are going. See who is truely motivated and then support them. Don't worry so much about conflicting information. Just keep cutting.

I don't always know exactly where to draw the line on people that I meet who are making claims either, like you. But you have drawn a line way to short on me already. With all my heart and soul, I am as honest and as careful as I can be with the information entrusted to me. And to say what I am told, what something means to me, and what is just my opinion based on my experience.

Many who say they have experiences, really don't at all. Many people who really have experiences, still lie about them anyway, for dramatic affect or attention or out of desperation. They add information, and then they have to continue to lie to cover their shame. They neglect to write things down, maybe because they do not even realize the value or importance of their own experience, and so it changes in their minds over time, mixing up with all the things they read and hear told in groups.

Groupies have a goal to be all alike, that is why they are there together. People who think on their own do not hang out in groups. When you see somebody working hard for "the" right reasons, support them, even if you do not agree with everything they say, because if you have your own sources, you will never find anybody else true who agrees with everything you say either.

Peace

PS I work directly with the leading races of the organization at Earth.

The races you know most about, who used to be working with some of our governments, are not the races I work directly with. The races I work with have dismissed the corrupt, unwelcome races from visiting Earth at all.

The material you are reading is old. It was more true then than it is now. Everything has recently changed. All of our visiting races are working together and none of them is working directly with any Earth governments on any criminal projects any longer.

At least one race still has some government ties, but they are not forced or corrupt any longer. They will be helping, serving to foster the hopeful diplomacy between all of us.


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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 22:01 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
Nancy , just one question.

and i can state the whole question in one

Majic. Majority counsil , majority controll , Maj , MJ12 , Rudloe Manor , Whitehal

can you answer it?

This sounds like a trick or a riddle. I do not understand what your question is.

I know some things about some of these things you list here. Are you testing what I know? Because I can read the same things you read. Do you want to know what my alien contacts have told me about them? There is not a lot.

Didn't you leave out MIB?

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 22:01 schreef BaajGuardian het volgende:
Nancy , just one question.

and i can state the whole question in one

Majic. Majority counsil , majority controll , Maj , MJ12 , Rudloe Manor , Whitehal

can you answer it?

For the viewers at home, where is the question?
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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 13:22 schreef P8 het volgende:
Thank you a lot for answering all of my questions. I really appreciate that

You're welcome

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I've heard a few times that water is the source of every life. that and oxigen. Is that true? do all aliens need oxigen and water? Which results in; do all of their homeworlds have a great amount of water en oxigen?

I do not know about all worlds or all alien races and their water or oxygen needs. I do know that some others have water and oxygen and some do not. Not all liquid is H2O. Mars has H2O with a much higher mineral content. Many worlds have liquid oceans, streams, rivers, ponds and lakes, all to varying amounts.

All beings (as far as I know) breathe something -- some mixture of "air" that is natural to themselves. None of our visiting races can sustain life in our atmosphere, but some can survive for a very short time here before they die, the longest is 2 hours, and that is the other race of humans who visits us. There are all other differences also: light, pressure, gravity, temperature, chemicals, plants, minerals, gases, germs, etc.

Some of the races' bodies are not made of any liquid at all, and their worlds are not of any liquid either.

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And how do they fix the problem within the Counsil about the oxigen percentage in the air. It's nearly impossible all aliens are satisfied with the same air around them.

They visit race with race by technologies that effect it, including dimensional technologies. They also most naturally use spiritual abilities, as in visiting out of body and speaking by telepathy. They also use both technologies and natural abilities together. One way: They can be inside of their space crafts with their normal atmosphere, make their space crafts be invisible, land right where we are but in the next dimension, and then allow us to see themselves, so in effect, we may assume that we are having a face to face meeting. We would be somewhat aware of the effects of the technologies, and there would be limitations, such as not being able to touch them, and these things could "blow our minds" to witness if we have no tolerance or understanding.

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And do you have anything more to say about martians? what do they look like etc. That's the first thing i find very hard to belief, because if there WAS life on the surface once, there should still be traces about it now. Like ruins etc.

I have a lot of things to say about the Martians but I will say a little. They are the second race of beings my husband and I met. They work closely with another race of beings and the two are friends though their evolutions nearby each other. The Martians are very ugly, and sometimes act very funny, kind of stooges. They love to laugh. But when they are serious, they are completely serious.

When they talk audibly, they sound like they are growling and mumbling in a deep monotone. They are very good people. The Martians and their colleagues (who are not The Greys) are the races you find in Whitley Strieber's early experiences. I think our race is going to be very good friends with the Martians, because the Martians are more like humans in personality than a lot of the other races that visit us.

Hi Nancy, there are a few questions I would like to know.

1) If ther are aliens living below the surface of mars, why the US government sends robots to look for life? So what is the real reason for sending the robots?

2) The evolotiontheory says that humans evolved from apes, but there are still apes, so where did humans came from and when exactly? What about animals, is there a connection between aliens and animals?

3) Could it be that shadowpeople or other paranormal sightings like ghosts are actually aliens?

4) I understand that we humans have much more capabilities then we think. But what are humans really capable of? And why there was so much surpressing of information in human history about our origin, capabilities etc? Were the aliens involved in that?

5) What about Credo Mutwa, does he tell the true?

6) Which movie comes very close to the truth, regarding the aliens?

7) Does aliens have anything to do with the bible and the story of jesus? Why was the biblestory created? There has to be a power that surpressed information and created false information during human history.

8) What about the universe? You said that the oldest race is about 6 billion years old, so they should know about how the universe was created and how big it is and if there is something beyond our universe.

You can answer my questions with a short answer if you want. I hope you can answer them.

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 23:50 schreef Aurora025 het volgende:

Aurora

I will answer one right now and then get to the rest in order.

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You said that the oldest race is about 6 billion years old, so they should know about how the universe was created and how big it is and if there is something beyond our universe.

The oldest race that visits Earth is over 6 billion years old. The oldest race in our Union of five galaxies is 16 billion years old.

The races that visit Earth are from nearby in our galaxy, most from from close by in our own arm Orion and just a few from close by in the neighboring two arms.

In our union of five galaxies are over 5200 worlds of advanced intelligent races of people. There are a relative few more races here who are not advanced yet, like us, and are not counted as participants in the union yet.

All of the races are networked, sharing information and knowledge of life and the Universe(s). It is known how large our Universe is and how many races are in it, but I don't know these things. It is known that there are Universes upon Universes, but nobody "known" knows how many Universes there are, or races, or how old is the oldest race.

Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 13:46 schreef P8 het volgende:

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And can you tell me whether i saw an alien craft or not.
about three years ago, i was looking at the sky. and someone i knew was also looking at the sky (dont ask me for the situation, since it was rather bizar ). But it was dark outside and suddenly i saw a strange black object float through the sky. Since it was dark it was very hard to judge te distance of the object. But i think it was flying at about 1500 feet and it was quite big. It was moving with a constant speed all the time in 1 direction. There werent lights attached on it and when i saw the shape a size almost instanly i thought why i wasnt hearing it. It was totally quiet. And he who was laying next to me, saw it too. I didnt put to much attention to it, since that was not needed. i mean, i didnt know what it was back then, i dont know it now, and i probably wont ever know it.

P8

That sounds like an alien craft to me. You did not say what shape it was, but I saw a dark triangle craft over the trees next to the road I was driving on. It passed over my truck two times. It was silent except for a very soft rumbling air sound. Its speed and its movement were "perfect" in a way we could not replicate with technology yet. It went exactly straight and very slowly.

Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 14:21 schreef Kesum het volgende:

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Hi,

I,ve been following this topic for a while now and i was wondering.

When a big asteroid is coming for our planet. Will they save us?

Greetings

Hai Kesum

I already answered this. If you can't find it, please let me know.

Have you found your implant already?

Hello EarthSister,

Thank you for answering my question in the previous edition, after some slight persistence.
I would like to ask another. Do you know how the speech of other races came into existence?

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 23:50 schreef Aurora025 het volgende:
Hi Nancy, there are a few questions I would like to know.

I think I can answer some of these:

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1) If ther are aliens living below the surface of mars, why the US government sends robots to look for life? So what is the real reason for sending the robots?

Obviously, they are misleading the public. Making us think they dont know about alien life yet.

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2) The evolotiontheory says that humans evolved from apes, but there are still apes, so where did humans came from and when exactly? What about animals, is there a connection between aliens and animals?

We did not evolve from apes, not the apes we know today, that's a misconception people make. We and present day apes evolved from an ape like species. Some of the sub species evolved into relatively dumb apes, and one in particular got real smart and ended up evolving into homo sapiens.
Im guessing that somewhere before the homo sapiens era we got our DNA tampered with by aliens, I dont know exactly what they did, but they did something nevertheless. I got this story from earthsister in the first thread, you might want to read it again, I see a lot of questions getting answered twice.

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3) Could it be that shadowpeople or other paranormal sightings like ghosts are actually aliens?

I leave this one for Earthsister

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4) I understand that we humans have much more capabilities then we think. But what are humans really capable of? And why there was so much surpressing of information in human history about our origin, capabilities etc? Were the aliens involved in that?

Some rational thinking tells me that they probably wanted to let this race of humans have a chance at experiencing and evolving in their own way. Releasing info about the past would not help at creating stability, it would probaly only feed fear and confusion. so yes, aliens were involved (most of this has also been taken from previous answers)

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5) What about Credo Mutwa, does he tell the true?

Again, Earthsister, please fill this one in for me.

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6) Which movie comes very close to the truth, regarding the aliens?

I couldnt tell 100%, but my guess would be the movie "contact", although it mostly tells us about the human point of view, Earthsister's stories seem to point into this direction.

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7) Does aliens have anything to do with the bible and the story of jesus? Why was the biblestory created? There has to be a power that surpressed information and created false information during human history.

Your cue again Earthsister.

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8) What about the universe? You said that the oldest race is about 6 billion years old, so they should know about how the universe was created and how big it is and if there is something beyond our universe.

I asked some similar questions, maybe earthsister would like to answer mine first?

I hope I didnt step on your toes Earthsister.

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Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2004 00:34 schreef Johan_de_With het volgende:
Hello EarthSister,

Thank you for answering my question in the previous edition, after some slight persistence.
I would like to ask another. Do you know how the speech of other races came into existence?

Evolution, how else?

Oe, jogy!

Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 16:50 schreef jogy het volgende:

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Oe!

I've got a question for you, Eathsister!

Why, for the love of [name] did the aliens put us here in the way that they did? why didn't they just put a colony of fully wise and educated beings here? i should think that it would be a lot easier than to put some DNA in a monkey and let it evolve in milions of years or whatever they have done.

A previously, fully developed race of people cannot move out of their natural environment and atmosphere to move into another one. Even a race of an exact same DNA as another race develops uniquely, biologically from its beginning with its own world. Our bodies are literally "made of" our own worlds.

I am told by the alien races that there are some ways for rare exceptions to this rule, but with great hardship and effort. It is easier to build a city in the middle of space for a race to live in, than it is to change/regulate either the circumstances of a world, or the biology of a race.

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I mean, here we are, putting lasers in space and killing eachother. I'll grant you this, we are not boring, that's for sure.. are we some kind of experiment for them, or are we to them what a television is for us? pure entertainment?

"Putting lasers in space and killing each other." I know. We went wrong somewhere. Our intelligence and capabilities excelled, but we used it the wrong way. That is why we created weapons of mass destruction with our knowledge instead of feeding and housing all our people, uniting our countries and curing diseases. We are depleting our natural resources and polluting our beds. We forgot the spiritual aspects to life. We forgot professional morality.

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Ow, and can you explain why Tokyo has been chosen to be the first contact location?

There are a number of reasons for that. I was told very basically. It is time to make it happen. Our governments are not welcoming it, and it is dire now. The aliens have to push for it along with some individual humans and groups of humans, whether all the governments are ready or not, and they are not all ready. Some are fighting it to all ends.

Japan is not perfect for it, it is only best of all our nations, all things considered. Japan is strong and independent and will withstand the opposition of some of the opposing countries. The people and the leaders are willing and will honorably handle information responsibly for our entire world for the right reasons. It will not be easy, and nobody knows for certain how difficult it will be or how long it will take to smooth out. But it has to be done.

Japan will handle first open contact. But then other nations will join in together to do their parts too. The pressure will be on all leaders, and things will have to change across our world. Without the secrecy and deception that many leaders have depended on so far, they will have no choice but to change the way they run our world. Keep in mind that our systems are made of people. Our systems are not entities in themselves, so we don't have to destroy the systems. We only have to put new people in. And people change over quickly. The new generations of people moving up are very different from the generations of people ahead of me and you.

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I wonder why we went wrong. I still think the reason for that has to be found in the illuminati.
David Icke says that the illuminati operates for thousands of years now. I don't know but I have a strong feeling that the most David Icke tells is the truth.
You say you have contact with alienraces and David Icke says there was a voice that tells him so much things. Both sounds unbelievable.
Why could the aliens not stop this power which operates for so long now? I have a strong feeling that it allready escalated to far and that not even the aliens can save mankind. I think the wheel of complete destruction is allready in motion and is unstopable. Just look at the world, what is happening right now, this war on terror which will never end till mankind is distinquised. I've heard of plans that the global elite wants a population reduction of 80%. Just look at the manmade virus AIDS, this reduction is allready in motion. I see no hope for the most people on earth and I cannot imagine that aliens will prevent that from happening.

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Is there really no alienrace who wants to conquer the world or want complete control Nancy? It would make sense when you look at what happens in the world.

What about the dragons in the China culture, is there a connection with aliens?

Have you read the book from Sitchin about the sumerian tablets?

So many people tell about the concisious shift that people will gonna have in the next couple of years, they say that we will be aware of much more things because we will have access to a much wider frequency range. Do you know something about that?


I have one big question I want to know from you. Is there an alienrace or alientechnology that was involved in the September 11th attacks?????

Sorry for all the question nancy, but I am trying for so long now to connect the dots

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Hai, sweetgirly. I am very happy and excited to read about your experiences. I only want to encourage you to learn to understand them as well as you can.

Thank you
I'll do my best
But I must say, that if it's true in a surtain way (talking about my expierences) that I have the feeling that they come when they want to come, on their standards, something like that. But it also can be (I'm thinking hard-louded (is that an English word ) now) that they do it on purpose. So somebody gets a little used of it, and the signs they do it to play with your doubst. Well, not play, but when they think/noticed etc, or maybe that's so clear that somebody can have doubts about certain things, that they do some things so your doubts become a littler lesser.

Maybe just like a pair of scales, scale d and scale e. d = for example doubts and e = for example experience, or something like that. When they, maybe in the beginning fase have the feeling that somebody goes to much to 'd' or go on the wrong way with thinking (exorcisme etc name it), they put in signs, so that somebody maybe can integrate the experiences. And the goal is that the pair of scales goes more to e. And when (endly) the balance is achieved in somebody's live, the pair of scales have also achieved a balance in the doubts and experiences. And when sometimes the pair of scales go a little to d, they again put some signs in it, so the e becomes larger and fuller, till the scale is again in balance etc. But that are just a few thoughts.

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I don't know what it was exactly that you saw in the sky. I think what you think, that it was something alien -- an affect of technology probably.

Me either. What you say, I saw what I saw. And I have my doubts what it can be, the only reason for that is, because I don't know what it was or can be, except some sort of collapsing in the sky. And from who or what, that's maybe the question in this. And maybe it becomes more clear after time or maybe they give up, because I'm also a little stubborn. Or is it sceptic in that way . But that's not all true, because like you again said, I saw what I saw. And I have a certain feeling that it was like it was. So I can be sceptical about my brains etc., but I don't know, my pair of scales goes more to (it was) an expierence and not the doubst about it.

I think (I put this piece of alinea later in it..when I've thinked about it) the reason why I think like that, is because I have seen an ufo (2 of it really, side on side, and kriskrossing and following eachother, quit and easy going and then..just like in the movies (and that was the scary shit in this, that really shocked us..fffttt..they zoefed away against eachother), when I was a teenager. And teenager in really the word of a teenager, innocent, playfull (with boys, but not the other stuff, but soccer and that kind of things..) etc. Just for the image. I saw it, or them, with 2 people, also teenagers. And when we saw it, we went very emotional on it.

That's maybe the reason that I think that somethings you see just what you see and you have no choice on it. Because in that chase other people also have saw it. And now I can even think that maybe that even was on purpose, we'll never know, or wrong, we do not know. Because that experience, have made me a little think the way I can think on things. And that's maybe the purpose in it, but that's only hard-louded thinking what I'm doing now. I also know the difficulty in these kind of things, but now I'm, or was, a little alone on it, but that also can be on purpose. If that's what they want, they probably have their reasons (maybe for a long time they already figured it out, and 'long time' is maybe for them just a word in that matter, another thing is that..but ok) or maybe not. That's the question.

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I am sure it was put there for you to see it, to help you think the things you think.

Well, the last words of your sentence, you are (al)so right on that. Because I indeed have think my things on that (on other things etc). Even not on purpose, but it happened anyway, the things I have think then and later in some kind of way.

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I think you are saying that your migraines have stopped since this experience.

Yep, again right.
This becomes funny. But it's true, in some way I have the feeling that it stopped after, not only this expierence, a few things that have happened. Hm, it sounds so secretely, that's not my attention, also chakra's etc are maybe part of it. When I again think hard-louded, I can say that maybe all things can lead to another, from one thing, goes and comes another. When you give the ball a kick, if it's on the hard or the soft way, it start to go rolling.

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I think you are saying that sometimes in your mind you know certain things are going to happen ... and sometimes you are so sure of it that when it does happen, you are not surprised, but it would scare another person. Right?

Right again .
But oke, never mind. People can say, yes ok, logical etc. But point is your right, it doesn't matter why.

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You saw what you think you saw. The affects of the contact in your bedroom made you very tired. The beings made you so tired then for a purpose, so that they could allow you to be aware of them there like that, but so you would not overreact, and so you would go to sleep then. Also other times or kinds of experiences with alien life can make us feel unusually tired. Having contact doesn't always make us tired, and after we are used to the aliens it hardly ever affects us. Initial stress, getting to know them is tiring mentally and physically. Tests, preoccupation, interrupted sleep can make us unusually tired, especially when we do not even know that alien contact is going on.

Thank you for your information, right again on my feeling from this.

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Yes, the sounds you hear have something to do with some different things that happen. Sometimes the sounds are due to things the aliens are doing. And sometimes the sounds are just the natural affects of what you yourself are doing. I know the exact thing you are talking about. It sounds to me like you were either involved in an exercise like practicing, or you were involved in a test like a measurement of your skills.

And that's a strike!
Bingo. No, really, the words I've made in thickblack, is a strike. I can't say else.
Because sometimes, of even more than sometimes, the feeling occured to me like I was tested in some way or another. Sometimes in a funny way, floating energy in my home, dancing with it etc. And sometimes, maybe the time for them or whatever to make it more serious now, after a lot of joy, a little scary or really weird (talking about coincidence(s), sounds, dreams and the beings I have seen).

And about being so tired, exactly, because I don't now how I've done it, and I'm still so asthonised of it or from it, but I felt a sleep, I think not long before I saw it (they). And that's a very strange thing for somebody that normally was scared the chicken out of her. But I'm glad I was felt a sleep quickly, the next morning It was also a little frightened, confusion, more doubst etc etc. But that I felt I sleep not long after that, that surprised me in that also. But that can also be, because I really was so tired (but yes, maybe that's the purpose in this tjeeez wow than..more stranger then).

But that are again a few thoughts, that was my feeling of it what I sometimes get of it. It doesn't have to be like that..but I've had, like I said, also the (strong) feeling of this. These thoughts have also occured in my mind. Sometimes I have lied in my bed, and said (little desperate) things like: 'stop now, what is this, who are you, why you want me, are you trying to make me frightened or not' etc. But sometimes I have only said it in my mind, I get the feeling that that was also enough .

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We use our natural abilities to be aware of the aliens. The aliens help us access and use our natural abilities more than we can accomplish on our own. So our natural abilities are turned on high when we are with the aliens. This causes us to be aware of things about ourselves too, that are natural to us, but that we normally never notice. It also makes very quiet, subtle things seem to be suddenly amplified.

Well, about your last sentence. I have had the feeling that I have had communicate or contact with an ant . So yes, the little things also have get my attention. But, it's hard to explain such kind of things, because in my expierence I'm sure of it, because I was in an other state of being. It was an action, and it could not go the other way, it could not have been go else. It goes like it have happened. And the ants were there when I was in that state, and later their were gone.

Hm, now I'm thinking about what you've said, I think you know. My sentences for example. I have also have had I very good smell (nose). That was also a strange thing (came in my living room, and first I was shocked, because I thought there was a dog, I smelt so hard the smell of a dog, went to the kitchen, looked out the window, and there walked, alone, in the middle of the night, a beautiful black dog, looks like a labrador), and the time when I looked, when I saw him, it just went by..strange feeling that was, really). Also maybe an example for the things a person must not miss it in some kind of way, like a lightening strike. It just happened, it just did.

Also feelings of cars of a car that went by, just before something or the car was coming, I already have felt it (even the light that exactly strikes in my bedroom). And the sound (strange sound I must say for a car , much more harder etc) of it shocked me then. That kind of things also happened a lot. Sometimes a little annoying and I was getting a little angry on it or of it (let me sleep or why you just don't let me sleep).

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For instance, I will show you an example. I will be one of your alien contacts and test you for your awareness of me (sensation of presence). I will ask you to close your eyes (because the aliens are usually invisible). Then I will very gently place my hand on your arm to see if you can feel my hand there. If you cannot feel it (are unaware of me) I will press a little bit harder and then see again if you can feel the affect. I will continue to press harder until you can finally feel my presence. But I must be very careful, because by the time you can feel my hand, the amount of pressure may be too great. Also, at the moment you become aware of the sensation of my presence, it may scare you so much that you will not proceed with getting to know me, and you may even believe that I am trying to hurt you.

It is the same if I wanted to test if you could hear me (telepathy). You would close your eyes (because I am still invisible). I would speak very gently at first, and then a little louder and a little louder until you indicate that you can hear me. But I know that by the time you hear me, it may sound to you like I am yelling at you. The last thing I want to do is scare you away from me, but if we do not discover and practice how to talk to each other, I can't help you understand the things that are happening or why they are happening.

As for going out of body, sometimes on the edge of my sleep I feel myself going out of body, and I hear a very loud noise. I don't know why. It also happens sometimes during meditation which is the same thing as the edge of sleep. I think it is a natural side-affect of holding onto both states of consciousness at once. It is not a warning sign, just an affect. There is no danger. I think it means we are stretching our abilities in some way. Like when our muscles hurt when we are lifting the weights that make us stronger.

Thank you for your example (a very good example), story and your thoughts.
I just wanted to say on this, that it's sounds (for me) more than logical, thanks again.

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I suggest you write all of your special experiences down in a dated journal and keep them, because the things that are happening to you now are going to be very important to your understanding of the things that are going to happen later in your life.

Yes, I have written everything down.
And again your right in a curtain way, because I also was written it down, to (want to) understand it. And sometimes it was like I couldn't have done something else than write about it, it was maybe my way, to structure and understand the confusion from al this. I also want to learn (much more and much). And how more I write, how more I began to understand, how more I became interested, how more I became curiouser, and how more I maybe began to practice from my own, and how more I became aware. But the last I maybe even have done my best for that, it just happened.

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Take your life and everything that happens in it as it comes in time. You are on a unique path. Stay on it. Do not follow other humans. Listen to others to learn all about what they think and why they think those things, but do not follow anyone away from your own path of experiences.

Thank you. And thank you for your nice words.
I will keep it in mind _{and I already have done that maybe for a long time}
And listening is maybe my second nature, I can live without it, even when I want to .

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Also learn how to trust your alien contacts. When things get difficult or emotional, take a deep breath, relax your body, clear your mind and make the best decisions you can. If you are totally stuck and can't work something out, don't worry, just write it down and ride it out.

Thanks again (well, I'm thanking you a lot , but I can not do it elseways).
Even because of the beauty of the words, of the truth that lies within.
I will also keep that in mind, and shall try to do that (again). Maybe it's not even necessary again, but maybe it is. I don't know, I'm not a telephatic on this one , but maybe the aliens or other beings are.

I have made a whole lot of text here, so no questions on this and this time, only my reactions on your reactions. And I wanted to say this in the first beginning, but I forget everytime, beautiful sig. you have, I like it.

_{and my aliens are very asshamed of me, because of my dramatic English and now I'm going to stop for a little time, I wrote a lot, a whole lot ..for me this is also a way to close some books, so that I can start to read others}

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There are three possibilities I can think of why you are doing this.

Either that what you say is the truth. I still have a hard time to believe it, but you would think the same if I was you.

Or you are spend so much time in this and other forums like abovetopsecret because you want to promote your books.

Or you are a disinfoagent or a mindcontrolled person.

There are sooo many people like the Aussie Blog guy with his asteroid impacts and the John Titor story, first they tell there stories in the internet and after a while it turns out to be a big hoax.

I think that you probably tell the truth, but without proof I will be a little sceptic, but time will tell

Do you recognise this probably alien symbol?

EarthSister, is it "technically" possible for human beings to break free from their instinct while still being able to survive as a species? If so, is this removal done literally (genetically, by evolution), or is it something we can learn, e.g. moderation using ratio, or otherwise?

To me personally, instinct is the major issue that mankind has to either overcome or understand in order to become more peaceful.

What do aliens say about instinct? Instinctual drive, preservation of bloodline, etc.?

Oh my god, I have (found) a new theory
When I've red my own story, over and over again, looking for wrong grammars (like: I have think = I have thought and attention the 2nd time = intention , but never mind) and the last reaction from someone about instinct. I came up with it, like the puzzle was a little complete. Maybe I am in the wrong topic, if there is about this even a topic, or are there maybe also cataliens? Because I have the feeling that I have had in some way or another the spirit of the cat. Stronger maybe for a time, or maybe even for longer. Even my ex-boyfriend have called my a cat for a couples of times. I spinn, I snore sometimes like a cat etc .

It explains a lot of things then. My extra aware sentences: sounds (so hard), smell (the dog, and not feeling very comfortable of it), observing ants (sitting on my knees, watching them, the instinct yes, that I want to play a little with them, just looking, observing (not so very playing..more observing than playing in that way, but looks like maybe playing), but also the feeling I understand what they were doing, the band the sepperate ants have with eachother, 1 ant is not just one ant, all the ants are one or act just like one , sound strange uhh )..

The good feeling of time (being on the right moment by an elevator, etc), the cold shiffers I can have and get from some people, the spheres in homes, some people I find so sweet, some not (in a direct unexplainuble way), the soul-to-soul-experience I once had with a cat whole night long (it feels like that way), my communication skills (sometimes I don't talk so much, but act on my sentences (like with the cat and also the ants maybe and maybe more..ohmg), the things I can suddenly see/feel etc (also extra sentences, like from a cat), the way people have said to me that I can walk so quit, that they can even hear me, like I'm sneaking, but not on purpose, I just walk that way sometimes (mostly in the night ), my mother she always said to me that in the night I'm always ghosting ('go to bed' she said, or 'you were ghosting again?', little cynical, some nights that I sometimes so love, my individuality, how do you say the word in English (eigenzinnig ), that word!

Oh my god, I'm catwoman . And I even never like (to watch) Batman (stupid movie(s)).

_{ok, enough for me..I'm going to bed, again I did it again, I can't go ontime (in human terms) to my bed, only when I want to and feeling to...it's unbelieveble..Sorry, Earthsister, for my other theory.. does these things also maybe excist}

Hai, NDAsilenced

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 19:06 schreef NDAsilenced het volgende:

What exactly is done to get this whole diplomatic relationship with earth going?

Wow. I will tell you something in a nutshell. The entire story would be more accurate, but I do not even know the entire story.

In 1990, when Jack and I were introduced to The Project, there were 170 races visiting Earth. 30 of them were working together to organize the rest. The rest were working 1 to 4 dependent. A few were only mining and/or working with our plant-life. Almost all of them were working with humans, their own individual human contacts. Some were naturally good at human contact and some were not. (Some are pretty and gentle, and some are ugly bulls in china shops.) And a few were taking advantage of humans' inability to protest some of the things they were doing.

Two races (Each called The Greys) were creating hybrid races of themselves and their individual human contacts. These programs were "desperate" for their races' own evolutionary needs, and not wrong in themselves, but the methods and the effects on humans emotionally and consciously was a large problem. Sometimes, one of these two races even used particular humans who did not even belong to them. One (or a few) other races visiting were taking random scoops of human flesh (DNA) to mix with their own DNA to help make their races physically stronger.

No alien races were here for the purpose of torturing humans, or of eating us, or of stealing our babies, or of enslaving us, or of killing us or keeping us. But try to tell that to a human who it (contact) happens to! Do not believe the "humanistic" tales, but understand that while unregulated, we could be taken advantage of. Now we are regulated.

Over these 14 years since, the original 30 have set standards for all of the races to work by, and all of the races have joined for all the benefits of shared technologies and techniques for working with us humans. Some new races have begun to visit (who would not bother before we were regulated) and some of the offending races were dismissed. Some races had no business here at all, and some had to upgrade their methods. Almost all were completely willing and glad for the organization, as it makes everything so much easier.

Now is the predicament of bringing humans to a "true" awareness of the alien races. Knowing they are here is not enough. Almost everything we see is terrorizing to us. Almost everything we think is the worst case. The alien races have tried over time to ally with our governments to educate humans, but to no avail. The leading governments only mislead their publics against the alien races for the purposes of power, money and world dominance. In the beginning, there may have been some understandable reasons for careful mistrust, but not over time. The governments decided to take everything they could get, even at the risk and expense of their people, which if you notice, is only typical. The governments wanted "alien technologies" to do with what they will. The aliens would "never" share technologies for the reasons these governments wanted them. So begun the struggle between particular governments and the particular alien races who were desperate in their hybrid programs. It was a trade agreement that was supposed to be technologies for access to the use of humans (abductions).

The alien races bided time, creating hybrids and dodging the governments' demands. The governments tracked humans who worked with the aliens -- both those willing and those unwilling, and the threats to the aliens now included against these humans. The governments wanted information and leverage against the alien races for technologies, and to make them stay away from the publics in any open way. In the mean time, the further advanced races worked to end the struggles.

The further advanced races helped The Greys get what they need without the reproductive use of humans, and helped break the corrupt ties between the governments and these alien races. The Greys had to stop their hybrid programs as it was demanded and provided by the organization. There are no more hybrid programs at Earth. One race happily and willingly conformed to the organization. The other race did not (could not) and was dismissed permanently from visiting our world, along with a few other races.

The governments are still hiding their crimes. (Therefore hiding their knowledge of the visitation and intentions of the alien races and discrediting all evidence of them.) The biggest concern of the project now is education of the publics behind the governments backs. A careful process.

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How should I picture this organisation? are 3 aliens working on the administration, are 10 others writing manuals/books/tutorials for humans so we know what to after the aliens have revealed themselfs? What work has been designated for you to do? Can you tell us about your average workday when you are working on the project and how other aliens are handling their jobs?

There is one main leader of the project at Earth. There are ten beings (nine plus one recent addition) to the council. The council runs the project for the 218 visiting races, setting all standards and making all of the decisions necessary in the organization. The council depends on the assistance of further advanced beings also (both here and others from the union) and special abilities and knowledge of all of the organization's members.

Each representative of his race travels in a crew of his own, sets up here and works together with the organization.

My main job is to learn about the alien races as people and to help other humans, especially those who have contact to get to know the aliens. This allows them a way and opportunity to work with them "if they so desire." I also help the families to support the alien experiencer, and the investigators who work with alien experiencers. I help explain how contact happens and why. I meet with new alien experiencers as they find themselves aboard a craft, show them around and try to ease their tensions. I introduce them to their alien relations, help them discover how to communicate. I encourage bravery. I help the alien races understand humans and give them suggestions to work with humans. I also try to help educate the general public to raise awareness of the alien races. I also talk with government agents to help open progressive communication between the alien races and the US government.

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What goals do aliens have in life? what is their drive? or can even the highest of evolved aliens be seen as life forms that like humans enjoy simple pleasures and follow their dreams and hopes?

The individual alien people who visit Earth are working here. They are the professionals of their races. They are the best of the best. Their hopes and dreams here are for us, and for the relationship between our worlds, to ensure the peace in the future of our travel. On their own home worlds, hopes and dreams... I can't answer that. I almost said they are the same as ours. But so many people on Earth just need basic care.

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Onto the heavy stuff:

About consciousness: You have talked lots about how there are these different states of consciousness and how communication with aliens is mainly "spiritual" and sometimes physical. I have some questions on this subject: why wouldnt we humans experience consciousness in its fullest, as in all states at once? what blocks?

For us, the blocks are mainly evolutional. It is natural for us to be like this right now. We could be better (act better and share professional knowledge) about what we are aware of now, but being aware between our states is an evolutional process.

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I think about the phenomena of consciousness a lot in and try to read about it in science papers. Some conclusions i have made are the following:
One could ask oneself, why does consciousness exist at all?
Ok, from the start: It's all evolution and cause and effect, i push someone, he falls over, its as simple as that. An organism like a human would function perfectly without it, all the data needed is already available, "hard coded" into the brain, just like a computer programmed to do things and react to input, you could say the brain is running its human-simulation program, understand?

I think I understand. Imagine that we actually exist from our beginning to forever, and all the things we learn in our experiences continue to compound. Now think what if you only know a little bit for a little while, then you die and start all over again.

Imagine if you lived 500 years instead of 60 or 80 at a time. How about 1000 or 2000. (The awareness of our spirit from life to life to life).

Consciousness is living life fully. Awareness is only the bits and pieces we get of it now yet. If we want to really fly, we have to take out our wings and bring all our knowledge with us.

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nature is all chaos accidently folding into patterns which make up life as we know it. This theory is widely accepted among scientists.
So conciousness is not nessecarry, but yet there it is, im experiencing. Conclusion: We are just watchers, just experiencing our lives that our bodies are living.
So in the end, this could mean that consciousness is an integral part of the universe and not just some effect made by our brain(stimulated at most). Can you comment on this? have the aliens talked about this? how far is their research on this subject? any conclusions you could share? I believe earth science on this subject is moving into this direction.

There are no accidents folding into patterns. Our government scientists already know this. They are already effecting the kinds of out-of-body meetings that the advanced races are with us. I know this because I do it with both humans and with alien life.

You are right that consciousness is an integral part of LIFE, and not just some effect made by our brains. We are active in all states of consciousness at all times whether we are aware of it or not. Like turning on the television to see what programs are playing, we can look into what is happening around us. Usually, when we become aware of some spiritual event, we assume, naturally, that the remarkable event just suddenly happened. But in all actuality, we were made to be aware of the very event by our alien contacts for the purpose of the lesson.

Also, we work with divine life, or live with divine life. And with or without any alien people, we have spiritual experiences with humans and with Angels and with spirits of people who have crossed at all and at any times. We do not need to have alien experiences to become aware of our spiritual existence, but if we work with further advanced races of people, they can help us access our natural abilities of awareness more than we can on our own. Divine life (God or Angels) do that for us too through life.

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I agree that there has to be a connection between everything(the physical, consciousness and whatnot) or one wouldnt know about the another and our consciousness could not be experiencing our lives since it's physical. I believe our view and definition of the physical world should be altered, it should explain and give us the connection between the different states.
So in the end your following claim could pose true:
""The physical is what we are well aware of. The other three are spiritual states together. (but the physical is spiritual also, and the spiritual is in some ways physical also)""
What is it you mean by saying "spiritual experience"? What is "spiritual" anyway? I think the word has been abused very heavily, everyone seems to have its own definition. Could you clear this up by giving the aliens' definition/explanation of it?

I think I explained it above. But I will add that we are our spirits. We live in our bodies during life. Spiritual literally means natural. Religious means practice and faith in things we probably do not understand. Religion is all about man. God is not religion and religion is not God. We also still be before life, between lives and after we are done having lives. All people and all things are spiritual, whether they are aware of that or not. That is a part of the aliens' definition/explanation of it that they have told me and taught me.

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About god: I am not a religious person, I'm agnostic (those who just dont know). How is god pictured? (dont tell me its an old man with a long white beard) Is it something physical? or pure consciousness? or some natural force? .... ?
Is god believed to be a natural occurence in nature/the universe? Can I ask what was before god? or am I dealing with false presumptions? please enlighten me if you can.

I picture God as a light. A supreme being, not like a person like us living on our planets. God "is" everything or is in everything. The creator. I see God in all of nature and in all "coincidences." All the known races in all the known Universes believe in the one same God. I see an angel as a dove, which to me is the holy spirit. I think the holy spirit is the spirit of Jesus. The angel told me that they come to us and appear to be the way we know them.

Physically, God has lived inside our race with us as a man, Jesus. God has been to many worlds to live in order to teach. Not all races needed God to live inside of their races in order to teach them. Some, God could just talk to.

I don't think any people know what was before God. Ask God.

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A follow up on the questions about god:
Do aliens have an answer on this?: why is there 'something' rather then 'nothing' ?

I don't know. But I feel it as life itself. (The aliens have not told me their answer to this.)

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Do you think humans can add to the research on these fields?

Yes. Humans are unique and dynamic thinkers. What is so mundane to us that we take it for granted, may be quite a surprise to others. We are young, but do not underestimate our creation. We are passionate, emotional and spiritually motivated. The way that we love and get what we want is powerful. We will fight for what we believe in. We persevere. We are innovative. We instantly develop ways to overcome new obstacles and pre-create solutions to our future problems. We rise to any challenge. We are stubborn and adaptable. These qualities are going to take us into forever and help other races around us as well.

We humans do not even know what is encoded into us. Other life recognizes our special budding abilities and marvels. We have a place already. We just have to step up with our best foot forward and take it.

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Again, thank you for your time answering all these question.

My pleasure.

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Dream your Dreams think about why, your life will passe and say bye bye.

All of you, your thoughts amaze me. Keep it up.

Goodnight, Everyone. See you tomorrow.

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 22:43 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
BaajGuardian

Take it easy, my friend. You are judging me too quickly. I see here you misunderstand some of the things I have said but I won't hash them all out with you. This happens in the telling all by itself -- I have not said things well or completely, or I do not have enough information which may be missing something you have some other pieces of knowledge of, or your perception of something you know is a little different from my perception of the same thing that I know.

i didnt say you were a hoax or fraud , i do believe a lot you tell , in my other post i have made clear what i meant

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I understand how you feel. This happens to me all of the time. I have met thousands of other alien experiences, but never anybody else, besides my husband, who has the amount or depth of teachings given by the alien races. The more I learn, the more I know that it is "impossible" for anybody to receive it all, or to receive it all exactly correctly. I just promise on my life to always do my best to preserve and relay with integrity.

Sometimes the aliens correct me when I have gotten something wrong, but only when it is so wrong that it actually makes some kind of a significant difference in the way I tell it to others.

ask them then about my pointing posts

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When people ask me questions, I try to answer just what is asked. This is the best way to avoid overload or confusion. I do not go into all the exceptions or descriptions that I know of, unless that is also asked for or I think it is called for. This is also the way the aliens teach things to me.

The way you say these things back to me is also as wrong- a different perception you got of each thing that I said:

no abductions. (There are no longer any abductions. There used to be some.)

your sources are not the only race in all that is , you cannot know this , thats one thing , according to my information , there are still abductions going on , with full aproval of the government

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No other bases , all bases are military , (four corners meeting points? WRONG!!! )
(The underground building at four corners is not a base, but a storage facility and meeting ground that belongs only to the aliens races. Our military knows what the place is, and they are set up there to watch, and to cause the area to look like a human miliarty base.

the Dulce base , isnt just a depot , below is much more , seems that the race you talk to doesnt have the all the way clearance.

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All actual military bases on Earth above and below ground are human- owned and operated. That is my clear understanding which I will stick by. If I find I am mistaken in what I have been told and taught about it, I will tell you. I am not offended or defensive against your difference of knowledge or opinion.)

im sorry to say , but it is completely wrong , there are more bases , more depots and more meating spots on this planet.
Russia has at least one , Siberia has at least one , and America has more than the dulce corners.
more about this i cannot say.

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contact makes implants....WRONG... the ones who do implant are NOT the ones who should be welcomed.
(All visiting races give their permanent human contacts implants. No alien race that is visiting Earth is unwelcome now, but in the past that was not true. The implants are not all the same or do all the same things. They are also made of different materials and have different abilities. Some dissolve on their own. Some are made of organic materials and are undetectable to humans in any way. Some are placed into our physical bodies and some are placed into our spiritual bodies. I think you only know about a select kind of implants for a certain purpose if you believe what you say. I know that there is an abundance of things that you and I both could not know about implants. Maybe I know something you do not know about them and maybe you know something. Maybe our perceptions and understandings are just different.)
[quote] maybe it is. [quote]
I don't think you are lying that you have your own sources,

i swear, is that enough?

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but you might be. I am sure that when I hear your stories I will find the same inconsistencies that you find with mine. That is not what I assess another's intentions on. If I get really stuck with somebody who opposes me,

unless you are with the illuminati , i do not oppose you

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either my information or my person, I can ask my alien contacts about them. If it is helpful to do so, they will talk to me about them so I can understand what is up with them being angry with me. I do not feel that you are a person against me, but only defensive because I speak with authority

i am not defensive because you think you speak with authority , listen , if universal races that you speak with work that way (authority) then i pity them , lets put it that way , where earth has its fools , the universe should not. think about it.

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. I feel that you just misunderstand my position and your own position.

i do not need , a position to speak , still i do have people that Are in position..

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You have not told me what your sources are, maybe I am wrong in assuming that you have alien contact. Maybe you learn things only from human groups. Maybe both. Maybe you trust each equally and are caught in the middle somewhere.

keep it in the middle.

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I will never prove everything I say. Even if I proved one single thing, that would not prove all the rest.

you know as i do , that that depends , say if you would come out of the closet with your contacts into the spotlights , it would prove enough, leaving aside, that it isnt a good time , thats for sure.

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Besides there are natural mistakes all through it, incompletes and misperceptions. I am only one human, and I know that we humans are ALL children playing in our sandbox, looking up at the sky to see evolution. You and I may disagree, but neither one of us is all right. So to see who you want to work with, look at who is forming structures and who is throwing sand.

all that i know is that i know nothing (theres always more)

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Sometimes I meet people in the field who are completely lying for criminal (agents) or personally devious mental reasons. Sometimes they are such a problem against the true sharing of ideas and information, that they bend everybody else they can away from any other person who they fear actually does have advanced personal experiences with the aliens. Because they know that somebody like me can expose any person who is fabricating events and experiences.

i know the type

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I am only sure that unless you and I were together for alien encounters and discussed them one by one, and talked together with the alien people, we would always have different material, different details of materials, different perceptions of the same material, and sometimes opposing information.

so it seems , and so it is

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If you can see that somebody is truly on their own path, working hard for the right reasons, keeping things as straight as they can, do not stop them when you see them weaving in their lane. This is a brand new field for humans, and a few of us are in front cutting our way through the brush and over the rocks and around the trees. Look at where we are going. See who is truely motivated and then support them. Don't worry so much about conflicting information. Just keep cutting.

it is my life , to dig. i cannot live with less.

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I don't always know exactly where to draw the line on people that I meet who are making claims either, like you. But you have drawn a line way to short on me already. With all my heart and soul, I am as honest and as careful as I can be with the information entrusted to me. And to say what I am told, what something means to me, and what is just my opinion based on my experience.

you are on my msn , that should mean , i still trust you , that should mean , i do not throw all that remains away for some things that do not seem right. , i am no fool , i drawed no line , i just put away one curtain , one of thousands.

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Many who say they have experiences, really don't at all. Many people who really have experiences, still lie about them anyway, for dramatic affect or attention or out of desperation. They add information, and then they have to continue to lie to cover their shame. They neglect to write things down, maybe because they do not even realize the value or importance of their own experience, and so it changes in their minds over time, mixing up with all the things they read and hear told in groups.

Groupies have a goal to be all alike, that is why they are there together. People who think on their own do not hang out in groups. When you see somebody working hard for "the" right reasons, support them, even if you do not agree with everything they say, because if you have your own sources, you will never find anybody else true who agrees with everything you say either.

i know

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Peace

only peace

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PS I work directly with the leading races of the organization at Earth.

through what , frequenty , dimensional , or physical contact.

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The races you know most about, who used to be working with some of our governments, are not the races I work directly with. The races I work with have dismissed the corrupt, unwelcome races from visiting Earth at all.

i know about more than only the recorded beings , like the grey , the brown , the reptilians , the longnecks and the demon like. .... some of the drawings on your sites beings i didnt know , still i know of more than most think i do. (not that it matters , the only thing that matters is for people to open up , stop living in a box , and look up , make contact , and make a world.

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The material you are reading is old. It was more true then than it is now. Everything has recently changed. All of our visiting races are working together and none of them is working directly with any Earth governments on any criminal projects any longer.

i know , i know as i said , more than the usual insider does , and i am not presenting myself higher than i am (not that i believe in a status called higher) also i cant prove all i say just like you , still i try to explain as much as i can , in conversation (unless i didnt have enough sleep , like now)

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At least one race still has some government ties, but they are not forced or corrupt any longer. They will be helping, serving to foster the hopeful diplomacy between all of us.

ok and now my question.
and please , straight to the point.

if there is even one race working with the government
not forced , not corrupted , helping....
how come then , that the whole government is the most corrupted satanical , owl worshippoing child molesting lying , crowd thinning (through aids and lots more) menipulating , and warfare providing (through oh so much) Psychopath Sadist Mafia ., even Infecting dosens with desease on purpose , Drug exploiting (even the central intelligence does it. , cant tell me im wrong , i have all the informants , all the sources , that verify this , .....) (it isnt about the good of the people , it is about the good of the money , and after that , it will be for the good of them.)
some races work for the planet itself , some do for own goals , some for knowledge , some for spoils , some for genetic help , some for fun....
but working with the government , that does all this and worse , is not the race of beings that should be on this planet.

i , do not speak for humans.
but i can understand them .

hope you understand.
hope you answer true

regards.

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 23:12 schreef EarthSister het volgende:

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This sounds like a trick or a riddle. I do not understand what your question is.

my question is , what you know about them

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I know some things about some of these things you list here. Are you testing what I know?

no i am not testing you

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Because I can read the same things you read.

well , it isnt what i read , but were i nose around , and what i ask about

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Do you want to know what my alien contacts have told me about them? There is not a lot.

tell me

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Didn't you leave out MIB?

no i did not , i have no interrest in disinfo , i already said.
no offence whatsoever.

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Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2004 00:44 schreef NDAsilenced het volgende:

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Evolution, how else?

I meant more in the specific sense of: did they start by mimicking the sounds of certain processes?

Also; isn't it true that the entire fabric of Illuminati-stories and the like is dissolved when one considers that they are examples of crammed syncretism, replete with all the vagaries, spots and impediments characteristic of such an organization of sensibility?

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Op vrijdag 27 augustus 2004 22:43 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
Everything has recently changed.

Exactly why and when did it change?

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Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2004 04:19 schreef EarthSister het volgende:

Physically, God has lived inside our race with us as a man, Jesus. God has been to many worlds to live in order to teach. Not all races needed God to live inside of their races in order to teach them. Some, God could just talk to.

you quite dissapoint me in this one. This a typically Christian answer, which does not relate to the, lets name it the "Universal God".
This is an answer which causes me to detest allmost all kinds of faith. Every faith believes their prophet was te incarnation of god or something. How do you know Jesus wasnt schizofrenic?
And what about all kinds of rules? Like no sex before marriage? No pig meat? be quiet on Sundays? women should wear a burka?
IF, and i say IF, god was talking through/at Jesus or Mohammed or whatever, he must have said all those rules are nothing but a pain in the ass. Why should we live by rules, made up by men? With all of that in mind, I, long ago, came to the conclusion Buddhism was the best and most ahead of its time of all believes, since they dont really live by a god, but by respect of all what lives.

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Op zaterdag 28 augustus 2004 00:51 schreef EarthSister het volgende:
Oe, jogy!
[snip]

Thank you for your answers, earthsister . I am gratefull for all the time you put in to us .

What if alien technology put me out of my job? And with me putting millions of people all over the world out of their jobs. Don't you think that would caus some disturbance in the world?
Aliens putting me jobless probably want to re-educate me, but i dont want something like that! Wouldnt that cause the same feelings when people from abroad 'getting all the jobs', and native getting jobless? We used to have problems like that with turkish people.
What can you tell me about this?
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BaajGuardian

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according to my information , there are still abductions going on , with full aproval of the government

Consider that source.

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im sorry to say , but it is completely wrong , there are more bases , more depots and more meating spots on this planet.
Russia has at least one , Siberia has at least one , and America has more than the dulce corners.
more about this i cannot say.

I know that the alien races meet in many places. One place on Earth belongs to the aliens and that is at four corners. (not defensive or arguing at all, just clarifying what I understand, because I feel partly misunderstood, and because I know I just do not know all about these things. I only feel certain of what I do know.)

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I said: You have not told me what your sources are, maybe I am wrong in assuming that you have alien contact. Maybe you learn things only from human groups. Maybe both. Maybe you trust each equally and are caught in the middle somewhere.

You said: keep it in the middle.

Yes, it shows. When are you going to choose?

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through what , frequenty , dimensional , or physical contact.

Both physically and spiritually -- by use of technologies and natural abilities, including dimensional ones.

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i know about more than only the recorded beings

Who have you met personally? Who do you like the most and why? What kinds of things have they taught you?

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if there is even one race working with the government
not forced , not corrupted , helping....
how come then , that the whole government is the most corrupted ....

Straight to the point- because the governments (not all) keep certain things exactly they want them. They will not accept the help of the aliens to change those things.

The aliens are trying to help. But this is our world, not the aliens'. These are our governments. The aliens can't take over. The governments are made of us, we are one people. You and I are in more of a position to do something about it than the aliens are. If we decide, then the aliens can help us individually to do what we want to do. Many people work with alien life, and many of them are in positions of the systems that run our world. We don't know what has been prevented or helped along because of personal connections, or what things are in place now. Human awareness and ability is increasing and reaching a point when things will open up for information and understanding about the alien races, and we will turn things around and fix things on our world that need it.

As long as there is no public education, but only dogma and superstition, it is very easy for those who do wrong things to disguise the evidence of those things, to misinform those who will investigate, to control public opinion, to frame somebody else for their crimes.

As I was going through my collection of humaniora, I felt compelled:

What was the purpose of endowing certain individuals (Bach, da Vinci) with a genius of tireless fecundity and interest?

i do like your answers EarthSister (on my last post)
ill stay for now on this conversation....just to monitor a bit
when i have questions , or just want to talk about the matter , youll see me on msn.

best regards.

martians?
?

where does that name come from?

i can find a lot of alien pictures when i typ greys or martians in google.
is one of them real? do other people know much about them?
there are so many science-fiction books written about it, what does that mean?

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