TRU The truth is in here and out there
Je ziet het niet maar toch is het er... Alles over mysterieuze, onverklaarde, spirituele en occulte zaken.
in het teken van een ander onderwerp over negeer niet alles buiten je blikveld...en ps nee tis wel veel quoten maar dat doe ik niet allemaal in tags voor de leesbaarheid
ik dacht laat ik eens gaan vertellen wat er bijvoorbeeld allemaal door de aangenomen wetenschap genegeerd wordt
ja kan tot de volgende vet overslaan .. dit staat er zodat je ff kan 'terugkijken' zometeen
goed .. je neemt de evolutietheorie plus big bang theorie
of je neemt dus de '7-dagen' versie
even een paar data .. ga naar volgende VET
.. aarde .. 5 miljard jaar oud
Ardipithecus ramidus 4.5 miljoen jaar geleden
A morphological description of the initial, mainly dental, fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus was published by White et al, 1994. The physical attributes of this hominid show a range of primitive traits, which are most likely character retentions from the last hominid/chimpanzee ancestor.
Homo erectus (voorloper van de mens)
The dates for erectus have become earlier and earlier, while habilis remains have been found in later and later deposits, making a lineage involving habilis ancestral to erectus increasingly unlikely. Specimens that are considered erectus are dated very securely to at least 1.8 myr, and fairly securely to 1.9 myr.
The Pleistocene
1.8 million to 11,000 years ago
This mammoth, found in deposits in Russia, was one of the largest land mammals of the Pleistocene, the time period that spanned from 1.8 million to 11,000 years ago
The Pleistocene also saw the evolution and expansion of our own species, Homo sapiens, and by the close of the Pleistocene, humans had spread through most of the world
ff met iets meer tempo .. dan komt brons
je weet wel ..met die speerpunten enzo
but discoveries near Ban Chiang, Thailand, indicate that bronze technology was known there as early as 4500 bc.
dan komt ijzer
The major technical advance of the early Greek period was the widespread use of iron
(ed 1200?). Furnaces were developed that could reach the high melting temperature of that metal. Iron technology had spread throughout the classical world by about 500 BC.
dan begint na een tijdje de ontwikkeling ff af te nemen en na de gouden eeuw is alles weer koek en ei .. paar revoluties later en we zitten op het intenet .. okie .
nou bedankt voor de geschiedenisles ..dat was spannend
hey kewl je bent er nog ..ff volhouden ..uberleuk allemaal wat hierna komt
ja het gaat toch over OOparts ofzo .. wat de neuck??
idd wat de neuck ?? .. dat is de definitie ongeveer van OOparts ..
Ooparts ? What are Ooparts? That stands for Out of Place Artifacts. Things that show up where they shouldn't,
okie lekker vaag allemaal weer
klopt ..zullen we er een PAAR van de vele bespreken
dit zijn de grotere aan de wat de neucks
dingen die gevonden worden .. jaja bewijs enzo .. die niet passen
wat voor dingen dan .. nou zegmaar
zou je verbaasd zijn als die apen zie boven ..met gouden kettingen speelden
en nanotechnologie hadden ? vast wel
het is immers voor het brons tijdperk .. voor het stenen tijdperk die gouden kettingen iig
maar ik ga ze netjes 1 voor 1 bespreken ..en jullie mogen nieuwe toevoegen
de verkoolde gouden kettingen
A Gold Thread
Workmen quarrying stone near the River Tweed below Rutherford, Scotland in 1844, found a piece of gold thread embedded in the rock of the quarry eight feet below ground level. A small piece of the thread was sent to the offices of the local newspaper, the Kelso Chronicle, "for the inspection of the curious."
(The Times, London, June 22, 1844)
dus een gouddraad .. ja dat hoeft geen ketting te zijn .. ney okie daarmee ben ik het wel eens
maar daar ken ik er nog een van ..
het hoeft natuurlijk ook geen goud te zijn
An Object in Coal
An "iron instrument" apparently resembling the bit of a coal drill, was found inside a lump of coal taken from an excavation in Scotland in 1852 It was at first supposed that a miner had broken his drill while working the seam and had left the piece of metal embedded there. But the surface of the coal was unbroken: it showed no signs of drilling or any present or former opening by which the drill might have passed into it's interior. If such a thing were not quite impossible,
according to every date in the geology text books, observers would have to believe that the coal would somehow have formed around the mysterious piece of metal.
(Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland, 1:1:121, December 13, 1852
goud en ijzen in kolen .. so ?
ok een tand dan ?
Another Oddity in Coal
Early in November of 1926, archaeologist J.C.F. Siegfriedt made a discovery in another mine, this one the Number Three shaft of the Mutual Coal Mine of Bear Creek, 55 miles southwest of Billings, Montana. What Siegfriedt found was a human tooth, in which the enamel had been replaced by carbon and the roots by iron, by seepage petrification. In an account published in the Carbon County News and dated November 11, 1926, Siegfriedt reported that he had meticulously
preserved the mineral matrix that had been deposited around the tooth, and several dentists identified the mold created as being a human second lower molar. The tooth, however, came from the lower level of the mine - from an Eocene deposit dated at 30 million years old. Siegfriedt could generate no interest in his find among other specialists, and as far
as is known, no one has done any further study of the mystery.
of een heel hoofd ?
ff letten op wat er in onderstaand vet is en dan ff jaartal terugzoeken in apen overzich boven
Right: Evolution Takes a Hit
Scientists fear evidence that man is as old as coal :Hard evidence for hard hearts? Solid rock proof for hard heads? Smithsonian squelching evidence again?
"Physical evidence currently exists that proves man inhabited the earth while coal was being formed, shaking the very foundations of who we really are and how we really got here. An assortment of human bones and soft organs, transformed to rock-like hardness, has been discovered between anthracite veins in Pennsylvania.
Since one of the golden rules of geology is that coal was formed during the Carboniferous -- a minimum of 280 million years ago -- it means that man has existed multi-millions of years before the ... insectivore from whom the evolutionists claim we eventually evolved."
ja en ook
"Aside from the evidence of bones, evidence of human occupation of this area in Carboniferous times included one particularly strange item: a petrified handle of some sort of a tool.
This item was totally petrified and appeared almost to be made of coal; "coalified" might be a better term. Other than that, it appeared entirely similar to and entirely as well-made as any normal handle to an axe or sledge hammer of our own day and evinced a fairly high level of technology. The grain structure of a wooden handle was there.
ok maar terug naar de gouden kettingen
of geloof je die andere 2 wel .. die uit 1860 en 1920 .. houd in gedachte draad is mss in het nederlands wel ook een goudbron ..maar kan ook een dunne ketting zijn .. en dat was bij andere 2 dus niet een dunne draad .. maar wel gevonden in kool .. ik zet expliciet de datum erbij .. dat is na het ik verbrand je als heks periode (maar nog wel met geloven doen we het iig niet) en voor het ik heb photoshop tijdperk ..ik mag hopen dat je daar niet aan twijfelt
Sophisticated Metallurgical Skills in Ancients
“Certain achievements of the South American Indian in metallurgy are enigmatic. Ornaments of platinum, were found in Ecuador. This poses a provoking question--how could the American Indian produce the temperature- of over 1,770 degrees Celsius necessary to melt it? It should be borne in mind here that the melting of platinum in Europe was achieved only two centuries ago.
In testing an alloy from a prehistoric artifact the United States Bureau of Standards ascertained that the original dwellers of America had furnaces capable of producing temperatures of 9,000 degrees Celsius 7,000 years ago. (edit weet je die van net nog 500bc in griekenland dus ijzer daar heb je max 2000graden voor nodig zeg ik)
No satisfactory explanation has yet been given of how such a technical feat was possible at all at so remote a date as 5000 B.C.(Science et Vie, No 516).
The tomb of the Chinese general Chow Chu (A.D. 265-316) presents a mystery. When analyzed by the spectroscope, a metal girdle showed 10 percent copper, 5 percent manganese, and 85 percent aluminum. But according to the history of science aluminum was obtained for the first time by Oersted in 1825 by a chemical method.
To satisfy industrial demands, electrolysis was later introduced into the manufacturing process. Needless to say, an ornament made of aluminum, whether chemically or electrolytically, seems out of place in a third-century grave in China.
It is hardly reasonable to think that this aluminum article was the only one manufactured in China.
The Kutb Minar iron pillar in Delhi weighs 6 tons and is about 7.5 meters high. For fifteen centuries it has withstood the tropical sunshine of India plus the heavy downpours during the monsoons. It does not show any signs of rust formation and provides proof of the superior metallurgical skill of ancient India.
Aside from the mystery of the noncorrosive metal of which the column is made, the task of forging so large a pillar could not have been achieved anywhere in the world until recent times.
The production of rustproof iron of this type is possible today because of our high technology but it is surprising to find such, an achievement in AD. 415. The pillar stands as a mute Witness to the scientific tradition preserved by the people of antiquity in all parts of the world.
Men whom time has forgotten held the answers to these riddles of the history of science.”
Source:We Are Not The First, by Andrew Tomas Copyright 1971
hey maar je lulde over met plaatjes ..heb je daar nog wat van ..lezen doet pijn aan me ogen
ok ok chill ff .. het word wel leuker hoor
Earliest Art Shows "Cavemen" Skill
Dec. 22, 2003
— Three tiny figurines carved out of mammoth ivory unearthed in a cave in southwestern Germany demonstrate that early humans were far from primitive in their artistic skills.
The find at Hohle Fels cave in the Swabian Jura, southwestern Germany, have been carbon-dated to at least 30,000 years old, placing them in the era when anatomically modern humans and Neanderthals lived alongside each other.
None longer than five centimeters (two inches) across, the carvings comprise a duck-like bird; an animal that resembles a horse; and a half-human, half-animal creature that appears to have the body of a man and possibly the face of a lion.
They join 17 other sculptures, including a fragment of a sophisticated musical pipe made from swan bone, that have been found at three nearby sites, Vogelherd, Geissenkloesterle and Hohlenstein-Stadel, all in the Ach and Lone Valleys southwest of Ulm.
These works "belong to one of the oldest traditions of figurative art known worldwide and point to the Upper Danube as an important center of cultural innovation during the early Upper Palaeolithic period," said Tuebingen University archaeologist Nicholas Conard, who made the find.
The carvings have been dated to the so-called Aurignacian period, through analysis of carbon isotopes in the stratum of soil in which they were deposited.
The collection of 20 Swabian Jura carvings is "the oldest body of figurative art in the world," said British archaeologist Anthony Sinclair, whose commentary in the London-based science journal Nature is published on Thursday alongside Conard's research.
ok wat de neuk bewijst dit nou weer ..
niets behalve dan dat de holbewoners nog wel iets kunnen
een fluitje met veel detail uit ivoor hakken dus
maar ik vraag je dus of ie ook de volgende dingen zou kunnen
the metal and silver vase blasted from the ground
In Scientific American (June 1951, Vol. 7, p. 298) a report was given concerning a metallic vase that had been dynamited out of solid rock on Meeting Horse Hill in Dorchester, Massachusetts. The report read, "On putting the two parts together it formed a bell-shaped vessel, 4 1/2 inches high, 6 l/2 inches at the base, 2 1/2 inches at the top and about an eighth of an inch in thickness.
The body of the vessel resembles zinc in color, or a composition metal in which there is a considerable portion of silver. On the sides there are six figures of a flower, a bouquet, beautifully inlaid with pure silver, and around the lower part of the vessel, a vine, or wreath, inlaid also with silver.
The chasing, carving and inlaying are exquisitely done by the art of some cunning craftsman. This curious and unknown vessel was blown out of the solid pudding stone, fifteen feet below the surface."
the metal bar
The scientific journals Nature (London,1886) and L'Astronomie (Paris,1887) published confirmation that in 1886, in the foundry of the Austrian Isador Braun of Vocklabruck, a block of coal dating from the Tertiary period was broken open.
A small metal cube was discovered inside. Tests indicated that the cube was composed of a steel-nickel alloy. It measured 2.64 by 2.64 by 1.85 inches, weighed 1.73 pounds, and had a specific gravity of 7.75.
The edges of this ancient cube were perfectly straight and sharp; four of its sides were flat, while the two remaining opposite sides were convex. A deep groove had been cut all the way around the cube. It appeared that the cube had been machine made and was part of a larger mechanism.
It was perhaps with uncanny insight that historian Will Durant wrote, "Immense volumes have been written to expound our knowledge, and conceal our ignorance, of primitive man...primitive cultures were not necessarily the ancestors of our own; for all we know they may be the degenerate remnants of higher cultures..."
the concrete
What are perhaps the most disturbing prehistoric construction and civilization finds were uncovered in 1965 by archaeologist Dragoslav Srejovic at a site now called Starveco, on the Danube River, on the Yugoslavian and Rumanian border.
Digging into the Yugoslavian bank, Srejovic first encountered traces of a Roman road; beneath this were fragments of proto-Greek pottery, and below these were Neolithic remnants and traces of Mesolithic cultural artifacts.
Deeper still, Srejovic came upon something totally out of place: the remains of a cement floor. More specifically, the material was an amalgam of local limestone, sand and water, considered a feat of chemistry and construction several millennia ahead of its time. The cement surfaces were not placed haphazardly, but were carefully laid out in large slabs to form the foundations of houses.
Several foundations were built one on top of another, indicating that buildings had been constructed and reconstructed over an indeterminate period. Yet there was also remarkable uniformity. (Photo:some of the Starveco foundations) The layout of the houses in the later periods was the same as that in the earlier periods - there was no evidence of a gradual development from a simple to a complex pattern.
Rather, the Starveco village suddenly appeared, fully mature, flourished, then decayed and was abandoned in the same advanced state. In addition to the foundations, the individual Starveco buildings also showed a high order of architectural sophistication. They all had one side larger in size than the other three, with proportions of either 3:1 or 4:1. The larger side was shaped like a 60-degree segment of a circle.
This larger side always faced toward the river, providing the occupants with the maximum view of the Danube and the surrounding hilly country. Inside each house, the shape of the dwelling was repeated in the hearth or oven, which was bounded by carefully shaped stone slabs and always located in the eastern or sunny end of the house.
Srejovic noted that the position of the hearth was significant, as it was situated in the exact center of an equilateral triangle if the lines of the house were extended....The implications of the mathematical and geometrical knowledge cannot be ignored.
The same precision and order evident in the architecture is also found in the arrangement of the dwellings at the Starveco site. The structures were laid out in what appears to have been a planned fan shape, opening toward the riverbank.
The larger buildings, presumably those belonging to members of a higher class or governing body, were located toward the center, surrounding a paved plaza...
The Starveco site has yielded a number of other cultural characteristics previously thought to have been developed thousands of years later, in the Middle East. Behind the hearth in each house, laborers unearthed the remains of altars, indicating religious beliefs and practices.
Each altar was composed of a flat stone, with a cup impression for burning a sacriffce, which faced two or more upright stones of reddish sandstone. This sandstone has been excavated from an outcrop, located in a ravine several miles away, and many of the stones had carved wavy lines or chevrons in low relief, considered the oldest examples of architectural decoration. Even more significant was the discovery of twenty sculpted life-size human faces of stone....
An interesting aspect of the site was the evidence of very good health among the Starveco population. There was a striking absence of deformed or diseased bones, and the women were so robustly built that it was difficult to tell their skeletal remains from those of the men.'
In spite of his absence from Western culture and history "Stone Age" man is seen to equal or, in some cases, to surpass our own modern accomplishments."...
What an optical lens was doing in ancient Nimrud was then - and remains today - beyond the understanding of orthodox archaeology.
But then so does the ancient 8.8-ton slab of man made glass discovered in 1956 at Beth She'arim, south-west of Galilee.
Similar weights of glass have been manufactured in modern times, but only rarely and for very specialized purposes - like the lenses of giant telescopes. Also, in the pyramid at Dahshur, built by Snefru (c.2613-c.2498 BCE), there lies at the foundation a 35 ton slab of man made purple glass. Think on that for a while.
the pregnancy test
A workable pregnancy test is described on a Babylonian clay tablet. It involved the insertion of a herbaly impregnated woolen tampon into the woman's vagina. When removed and treated with an alum solution, the tampon turned red if the woman was pregnant.
ok ik kan nog uren doorgaan met pasten .. ga zelf maar zoeken .. ik heb wel de leukste voor het laatst bewaard
Ancient Computer More Than 2000 Years Old
There is at least one artifact that proves beyond all doubt that one civilisation in the ancient world possessed technical knowledge which no modern scientists had previously suspected. As it was found in the sea off Antikythera, a small island north west of Crete, it is known as the Antikythera Mechanism.".
It was not until 17th May 1902 that a leading archaeologist examined the artefacts and recognised the outline of cogwheels in one of the lumps of bronze and wood. The writing on the case confirmed that the item had been made in 80 BCE.
In 1958 Derek J. Solla Price, an Englishman who then worked at Cambridge University and who later worked as the Avalon Professor of the History of Science at Yale University in America, examined the mechanism. Using a process for restoring oxidised objects, Dr. Price was able to salvage some of the mass and from these pieces he attempted to rebuild the device.
However it was not until 1971 when X-ray photographs were taken of the artefact by the Greek Atomic Energy Commission, that the mechanism's array of meshing gears was finally revealed.
Price remarked that, "nothing like this instrument is preserved elsewhere. Nothing comparable to it is known from any ancient scientific text or literary allusion. On the contrary, from all that we know of science and technology in the Hellenistic age, we should have felt that a device could not exist".
Work on the artefact revealed that on the outside it had consisted of dials set into a wooden box with at least 20-gear wheels inside. The box was covered with inscriptions that included an astronomical calendar. The mechanism also included a system of differential years. A crank spindle set the gears in motion at various speeds, turning pointers on three dials that calculated the rising and setting times and phases of the Moon, and the positions of the planets Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn all with a high degree of accuracy . "
It appears that this was, indeed a computing machine that could work out and exhibit the motions of the sun and the moon and probably also the planets" ...Solla Price
It could well be that the technology is-pre-Greek since there are no other indications that they had this type of technical ability.
..maar deze zijn imo echt wel grappig
500,000 Year Old Spark Plugs?
Found in California, the concretion in which these metal objects were found are thought by scientists to be 500,000 years or so old. On the left is the frontal view of the object which became visible when the object was broken (in search of fossils)
On the right is a side view x-ray of the obviously artificial object. The x-ray showed what looked like a spring on the end of the object simialr to the metal springs on modern spark plugs. If the object is truly ancient, the question is; "who made it?", if the object is really just a modern spark plug as some suggest, then the question of modern dating techniques is invalidated.
It sure wasn't made by the ancient Greeks, Romans or Egyptians.
(de steen was een crystalsteen .. heeft 500000 jaar nodig om te vormen
met iig 2 stukjes porselein .. (met metaal en veertjje)
porselein past niet zo goed in het stenen tijdperk
The Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skull
Another great oopart is THE crystal skull discovered in Mayan ruins called "Lubaantun", City of Fallen Stones, in British Honduras, Now called Belize. The skull was discovered in 1924 by Anna Le Guillon Mitchell-Hedgesdaughter of F.A. Mitchell-Hedges who was in charge of the digs at Lubaantun. The story goes that his daughter, Anna, was exploring inside some ruins thought to have been a temple, when she found the exquisitely carved crystal skull which was then missing the jawbone. The missing jawbone was found three months later, about
25 feet away from where the top part of the skull was found.
Evidently the story of the skull's discovery is a fabrication. There are supposedly documents in The BritishMuseum that prove it was bidding against Mitchell-Hedges for the artifact at a Sothebys auction in London in
1943.
Be that as it may, we are still left with the problem of the skull itself.
The Mitchell-Hedges skull is made of clear quartz crystal, and both cranium and mandible are believed to have come from the same solid block. It weighs 11.7 pounds and is about five inches high, five inches wide, and seven inches long. Except for slight anomalies in the temples and cheekbones, it is a virtually anatomically correct replica of a human skull. Because of its small size and other characteristics, it is thought more closely to resemble a female skull -- and this has led
some to refer to the Mitchell-Hedges skull as a "she."
The Mitchell-Hedges family loaned the skull to Hewlett-Packard Laboratories for extensive study in 1970. Art restorer Frank Dorland oversaw the testing at the Santa Clara, California, computer equipment manufacturer, a leading facility for crystal research. The HP examinations yielded some startling results.
Researchers found that the skull had been carved against the natural axis of the crystal. Modern crystal sculptors always take into account the axis, or orientation of the crystal's molecular symmetry, because if they carve "against the grain," the piece is bound to shatter -- even with the use of lasers and other high-tech cutting methods.
To add to the enigma, HP could find no microscopic scratches on the crystal which would indicate it had been carved with metal instruments. Dorland's best hypothesis for the skull's construction is that it was roughly hewn out with diamonds, and then the detail work was meticulously done with a gentle solution of silicon sand and water. The exhausting job -- assuming it could possibly be done in this way -- would have required man-hours adding
up to 300 years to complete.
Under these circumstances, experts believe that successfully crafting a shape as complex as the Mitchell-Hedges skull is impossible; as one HP researcher is said to have remarked, "The damned thing simply shouldn't be."
The skull remains in the possession of Anna Mitchell-Hedges. She resides in Canada and displays the skull on frequent tours. Anna has maintained for all these years that she discovered the skull, even though there is reason to doubt that she was present at the Lubaatun expedition at all.
dit is de killer .. en als laatste .. mss blijgt het dan hangen
20,000 to 100,000" Year Old Metalic "Screws"
Thousands of spiral, screwlike objects sized as small as 1/10,000th of an inch (dat is 0,00000254 centimeter!!!) (NANOTECHNOLOGIE.. 2.54 NANOMETER ..) have been found beginning in the early-nineties and are still being found by gold miners in the Ural mountains in Russia.
These metal items found in depths from 3 to 40 feet are thought to be 20 thousand plus years old.
Dr Matveyeva who has studied the objects: “The layer which contains the spiral shaped objects is characterised as gravel and detritus deposits … From their orientation these layers can be dated to 100,000 years and correspond to lower regions of the Mikulinsk horizon of the upper Pleistocene.”
In plain language the Pleistocene is the previous geological epoch, which began about 2 million years ago and ended around 10,000 years ago.
Contrary to what some commentators believe however, we don't think that these objects are extraterrestrial in origin. Rather we think their origin is very terrestrial, the vestiges of a former hi tech civilisation, the evidence of which will become increasing apparent over the coming years.
ff over de laatste nog een wat meergekleurde bron
Pictured below is an example of the strange, often spiral shaped objects found in the eastern Urals. Since 1991 more and more of these objects have been found in the region. Often microscopically small they are made principally of tungsten, molybdenum, and copper. They were discovered during the course of official explorations that had been mounted with a view to exploiting the precious metals in the region. Consequently geological and mineralogical analysis was done by the Central Scientific Research Institute for Geology and Prospecting for Precious and Non Ferrous Metals ( ZNIGRI ) in Moscow. The ZNIGRI put out a report in which the author, Dr Matveyeva states: “The layer which contains the spiral shaped objects is characterised as gravel and detritus deposits … From their orientation these layers can be dated to 100,000 years and correspond to lower regions of the Mikulinsk horizon of the upper Pleistocene.”
In plain language the Pleistocene is the previous geological epoch, which began about 2 million years ago and ended around 10,000 years ago. Contrary to what some commentators believe however, we don't think that these objects are extraterrestrial in origin. Rather we think their origin is very terrestrial, the vestiges of a former hi tech civilisation, the evidence of which will become increasing apparent over the coming years.
die drie metalen he .. die smelten respectievelijk bij
copper/koper 1084.62 °C
Molybdenum 2617 º C
tungsten 3422 °C
ok .. DUS iets geschat op tussen 20.000 en 100.000 jaar oud
gemaakt van 3 metalen .. waarbij een een smelttemp heeft van 3422 graden
EN DAN TER KLEINTE VAN 2.5 NANOMETER .. knappe holbewoner die dat maakt
daar gaat je vandaag de dag nog slecht af denk ik
en wat denk je van een knappe holbewoner die dat maakt + nog perfect ook kijk maar goed naar bovenstaand ..vergeet niet dat deze zomaar schroef DUNNER IS DAN EEN HOOFDHAAR
psst .. en hoe vaak heb je nou gelezen van iets dat het bestaat maar eigenlijk niet zou moeten kunnen ?
ps .. bronnen
ik dacht laat ik eens gaan vertellen wat er bijvoorbeeld allemaal door de aangenomen wetenschap genegeerd wordt
ja kan tot de volgende vet overslaan .. dit staat er zodat je ff kan 'terugkijken' zometeen
goed .. je neemt de evolutietheorie plus big bang theorie
of je neemt dus de '7-dagen' versie
even een paar data .. ga naar volgende VET
.. aarde .. 5 miljard jaar oud
Ardipithecus ramidus 4.5 miljoen jaar geleden
A morphological description of the initial, mainly dental, fossil remains of Ardipithecus ramidus was published by White et al, 1994. The physical attributes of this hominid show a range of primitive traits, which are most likely character retentions from the last hominid/chimpanzee ancestor.
Homo erectus (voorloper van de mens)
The dates for erectus have become earlier and earlier, while habilis remains have been found in later and later deposits, making a lineage involving habilis ancestral to erectus increasingly unlikely. Specimens that are considered erectus are dated very securely to at least 1.8 myr, and fairly securely to 1.9 myr.
The Pleistocene
1.8 million to 11,000 years ago
This mammoth, found in deposits in Russia, was one of the largest land mammals of the Pleistocene, the time period that spanned from 1.8 million to 11,000 years ago
The Pleistocene also saw the evolution and expansion of our own species, Homo sapiens, and by the close of the Pleistocene, humans had spread through most of the world
ff met iets meer tempo .. dan komt brons
je weet wel ..met die speerpunten enzo
but discoveries near Ban Chiang, Thailand, indicate that bronze technology was known there as early as 4500 bc.
dan komt ijzer
The major technical advance of the early Greek period was the widespread use of iron
(ed 1200?). Furnaces were developed that could reach the high melting temperature of that metal. Iron technology had spread throughout the classical world by about 500 BC.
dan begint na een tijdje de ontwikkeling ff af te nemen en na de gouden eeuw is alles weer koek en ei .. paar revoluties later en we zitten op het intenet .. okie .
nou bedankt voor de geschiedenisles ..dat was spannend
hey kewl je bent er nog ..ff volhouden ..uberleuk allemaal wat hierna komt
ja het gaat toch over OOparts ofzo .. wat de neuck??
idd wat de neuck ?? .. dat is de definitie ongeveer van OOparts .. Ooparts ? What are Ooparts? That stands for Out of Place Artifacts. Things that show up where they shouldn't,
okie lekker vaag allemaal weer
klopt ..zullen we er een PAAR van de vele bespreken
dit zijn de grotere aan de wat de neucks
dingen die gevonden worden .. jaja bewijs enzo .. die niet passen
wat voor dingen dan .. nou zegmaar
zou je verbaasd zijn als die apen zie boven ..met gouden kettingen speelden
en nanotechnologie hadden ? vast wel
het is immers voor het brons tijdperk .. voor het stenen tijdperk die gouden kettingen iig
maar ik ga ze netjes 1 voor 1 bespreken ..en jullie mogen nieuwe toevoegen
de verkoolde gouden kettingen
A Gold Thread
Workmen quarrying stone near the River Tweed below Rutherford, Scotland in 1844, found a piece of gold thread embedded in the rock of the quarry eight feet below ground level. A small piece of the thread was sent to the offices of the local newspaper, the Kelso Chronicle, "for the inspection of the curious."
(The Times, London, June 22, 1844)
dus een gouddraad .. ja dat hoeft geen ketting te zijn .. ney okie daarmee ben ik het wel eens
maar daar ken ik er nog een van ..
het hoeft natuurlijk ook geen goud te zijn
An Object in Coal
An "iron instrument" apparently resembling the bit of a coal drill, was found inside a lump of coal taken from an excavation in Scotland in 1852 It was at first supposed that a miner had broken his drill while working the seam and had left the piece of metal embedded there. But the surface of the coal was unbroken: it showed no signs of drilling or any present or former opening by which the drill might have passed into it's interior. If such a thing were not quite impossible,
according to every date in the geology text books, observers would have to believe that the coal would somehow have formed around the mysterious piece of metal.
(Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland, 1:1:121, December 13, 1852
goud en ijzen in kolen .. so ?
ok een tand dan ?
Another Oddity in Coal
Early in November of 1926, archaeologist J.C.F. Siegfriedt made a discovery in another mine, this one the Number Three shaft of the Mutual Coal Mine of Bear Creek, 55 miles southwest of Billings, Montana. What Siegfriedt found was a human tooth, in which the enamel had been replaced by carbon and the roots by iron, by seepage petrification. In an account published in the Carbon County News and dated November 11, 1926, Siegfriedt reported that he had meticulously
preserved the mineral matrix that had been deposited around the tooth, and several dentists identified the mold created as being a human second lower molar. The tooth, however, came from the lower level of the mine - from an Eocene deposit dated at 30 million years old. Siegfriedt could generate no interest in his find among other specialists, and as far
as is known, no one has done any further study of the mystery.
of een heel hoofd ?
ff letten op wat er in onderstaand vet is en dan ff jaartal terugzoeken in apen overzich boven
Right: Evolution Takes a Hit
Scientists fear evidence that man is as old as coal :Hard evidence for hard hearts? Solid rock proof for hard heads? Smithsonian squelching evidence again?
"Physical evidence currently exists that proves man inhabited the earth while coal was being formed, shaking the very foundations of who we really are and how we really got here. An assortment of human bones and soft organs, transformed to rock-like hardness, has been discovered between anthracite veins in Pennsylvania.
Since one of the golden rules of geology is that coal was formed during the Carboniferous -- a minimum of 280 million years ago -- it means that man has existed multi-millions of years before the ... insectivore from whom the evolutionists claim we eventually evolved."
ja en ook
"Aside from the evidence of bones, evidence of human occupation of this area in Carboniferous times included one particularly strange item: a petrified handle of some sort of a tool.
This item was totally petrified and appeared almost to be made of coal; "coalified" might be a better term. Other than that, it appeared entirely similar to and entirely as well-made as any normal handle to an axe or sledge hammer of our own day and evinced a fairly high level of technology. The grain structure of a wooden handle was there.
ok maar terug naar de gouden kettingen
of geloof je die andere 2 wel .. die uit 1860 en 1920 .. houd in gedachte draad is mss in het nederlands wel ook een goudbron ..maar kan ook een dunne ketting zijn .. en dat was bij andere 2 dus niet een dunne draad .. maar wel gevonden in kool .. ik zet expliciet de datum erbij .. dat is na het ik verbrand je als heks periode (maar nog wel met geloven doen we het iig niet) en voor het ik heb photoshop tijdperk ..ik mag hopen dat je daar niet aan twijfelt
Sophisticated Metallurgical Skills in Ancients
“Certain achievements of the South American Indian in metallurgy are enigmatic. Ornaments of platinum, were found in Ecuador. This poses a provoking question--how could the American Indian produce the temperature- of over 1,770 degrees Celsius necessary to melt it? It should be borne in mind here that the melting of platinum in Europe was achieved only two centuries ago.
In testing an alloy from a prehistoric artifact the United States Bureau of Standards ascertained that the original dwellers of America had furnaces capable of producing temperatures of 9,000 degrees Celsius 7,000 years ago. (edit weet je die van net nog 500bc in griekenland dus ijzer daar heb je max 2000graden voor nodig zeg ik)
No satisfactory explanation has yet been given of how such a technical feat was possible at all at so remote a date as 5000 B.C.(Science et Vie, No 516).
The tomb of the Chinese general Chow Chu (A.D. 265-316) presents a mystery. When analyzed by the spectroscope, a metal girdle showed 10 percent copper, 5 percent manganese, and 85 percent aluminum. But according to the history of science aluminum was obtained for the first time by Oersted in 1825 by a chemical method.
To satisfy industrial demands, electrolysis was later introduced into the manufacturing process. Needless to say, an ornament made of aluminum, whether chemically or electrolytically, seems out of place in a third-century grave in China.
It is hardly reasonable to think that this aluminum article was the only one manufactured in China.
The Kutb Minar iron pillar in Delhi weighs 6 tons and is about 7.5 meters high. For fifteen centuries it has withstood the tropical sunshine of India plus the heavy downpours during the monsoons. It does not show any signs of rust formation and provides proof of the superior metallurgical skill of ancient India.
Aside from the mystery of the noncorrosive metal of which the column is made, the task of forging so large a pillar could not have been achieved anywhere in the world until recent times.
The production of rustproof iron of this type is possible today because of our high technology but it is surprising to find such, an achievement in AD. 415. The pillar stands as a mute Witness to the scientific tradition preserved by the people of antiquity in all parts of the world.
Men whom time has forgotten held the answers to these riddles of the history of science.”
Source:We Are Not The First, by Andrew Tomas Copyright 1971
hey maar je lulde over met plaatjes ..heb je daar nog wat van ..lezen doet pijn aan me ogen
ok ok chill ff .. het word wel leuker hoor
Earliest Art Shows "Cavemen" Skill
Dec. 22, 2003
— Three tiny figurines carved out of mammoth ivory unearthed in a cave in southwestern Germany demonstrate that early humans were far from primitive in their artistic skills.
The find at Hohle Fels cave in the Swabian Jura, southwestern Germany, have been carbon-dated to at least 30,000 years old, placing them in the era when anatomically modern humans and Neanderthals lived alongside each other.
None longer than five centimeters (two inches) across, the carvings comprise a duck-like bird; an animal that resembles a horse; and a half-human, half-animal creature that appears to have the body of a man and possibly the face of a lion.
They join 17 other sculptures, including a fragment of a sophisticated musical pipe made from swan bone, that have been found at three nearby sites, Vogelherd, Geissenkloesterle and Hohlenstein-Stadel, all in the Ach and Lone Valleys southwest of Ulm.
These works "belong to one of the oldest traditions of figurative art known worldwide and point to the Upper Danube as an important center of cultural innovation during the early Upper Palaeolithic period," said Tuebingen University archaeologist Nicholas Conard, who made the find.
The carvings have been dated to the so-called Aurignacian period, through analysis of carbon isotopes in the stratum of soil in which they were deposited.
The collection of 20 Swabian Jura carvings is "the oldest body of figurative art in the world," said British archaeologist Anthony Sinclair, whose commentary in the London-based science journal Nature is published on Thursday alongside Conard's research.
ok wat de neuk bewijst dit nou weer ..
niets behalve dan dat de holbewoners nog wel iets kunnen
een fluitje met veel detail uit ivoor hakken dus
maar ik vraag je dus of ie ook de volgende dingen zou kunnen
the metal and silver vase blasted from the ground
In Scientific American (June 1951, Vol. 7, p. 298) a report was given concerning a metallic vase that had been dynamited out of solid rock on Meeting Horse Hill in Dorchester, Massachusetts. The report read, "On putting the two parts together it formed a bell-shaped vessel, 4 1/2 inches high, 6 l/2 inches at the base, 2 1/2 inches at the top and about an eighth of an inch in thickness.
The body of the vessel resembles zinc in color, or a composition metal in which there is a considerable portion of silver. On the sides there are six figures of a flower, a bouquet, beautifully inlaid with pure silver, and around the lower part of the vessel, a vine, or wreath, inlaid also with silver.
The chasing, carving and inlaying are exquisitely done by the art of some cunning craftsman. This curious and unknown vessel was blown out of the solid pudding stone, fifteen feet below the surface."
the metal bar
The scientific journals Nature (London,1886) and L'Astronomie (Paris,1887) published confirmation that in 1886, in the foundry of the Austrian Isador Braun of Vocklabruck, a block of coal dating from the Tertiary period was broken open.
A small metal cube was discovered inside. Tests indicated that the cube was composed of a steel-nickel alloy. It measured 2.64 by 2.64 by 1.85 inches, weighed 1.73 pounds, and had a specific gravity of 7.75.
The edges of this ancient cube were perfectly straight and sharp; four of its sides were flat, while the two remaining opposite sides were convex. A deep groove had been cut all the way around the cube. It appeared that the cube had been machine made and was part of a larger mechanism.
It was perhaps with uncanny insight that historian Will Durant wrote, "Immense volumes have been written to expound our knowledge, and conceal our ignorance, of primitive man...primitive cultures were not necessarily the ancestors of our own; for all we know they may be the degenerate remnants of higher cultures..."
the concrete
What are perhaps the most disturbing prehistoric construction and civilization finds were uncovered in 1965 by archaeologist Dragoslav Srejovic at a site now called Starveco, on the Danube River, on the Yugoslavian and Rumanian border.
Digging into the Yugoslavian bank, Srejovic first encountered traces of a Roman road; beneath this were fragments of proto-Greek pottery, and below these were Neolithic remnants and traces of Mesolithic cultural artifacts.
Deeper still, Srejovic came upon something totally out of place: the remains of a cement floor. More specifically, the material was an amalgam of local limestone, sand and water, considered a feat of chemistry and construction several millennia ahead of its time. The cement surfaces were not placed haphazardly, but were carefully laid out in large slabs to form the foundations of houses.
Several foundations were built one on top of another, indicating that buildings had been constructed and reconstructed over an indeterminate period. Yet there was also remarkable uniformity. (Photo:some of the Starveco foundations) The layout of the houses in the later periods was the same as that in the earlier periods - there was no evidence of a gradual development from a simple to a complex pattern.
Rather, the Starveco village suddenly appeared, fully mature, flourished, then decayed and was abandoned in the same advanced state. In addition to the foundations, the individual Starveco buildings also showed a high order of architectural sophistication. They all had one side larger in size than the other three, with proportions of either 3:1 or 4:1. The larger side was shaped like a 60-degree segment of a circle.
This larger side always faced toward the river, providing the occupants with the maximum view of the Danube and the surrounding hilly country. Inside each house, the shape of the dwelling was repeated in the hearth or oven, which was bounded by carefully shaped stone slabs and always located in the eastern or sunny end of the house.
Srejovic noted that the position of the hearth was significant, as it was situated in the exact center of an equilateral triangle if the lines of the house were extended....The implications of the mathematical and geometrical knowledge cannot be ignored.
The same precision and order evident in the architecture is also found in the arrangement of the dwellings at the Starveco site. The structures were laid out in what appears to have been a planned fan shape, opening toward the riverbank.
The larger buildings, presumably those belonging to members of a higher class or governing body, were located toward the center, surrounding a paved plaza...
The Starveco site has yielded a number of other cultural characteristics previously thought to have been developed thousands of years later, in the Middle East. Behind the hearth in each house, laborers unearthed the remains of altars, indicating religious beliefs and practices.
Each altar was composed of a flat stone, with a cup impression for burning a sacriffce, which faced two or more upright stones of reddish sandstone. This sandstone has been excavated from an outcrop, located in a ravine several miles away, and many of the stones had carved wavy lines or chevrons in low relief, considered the oldest examples of architectural decoration. Even more significant was the discovery of twenty sculpted life-size human faces of stone....
An interesting aspect of the site was the evidence of very good health among the Starveco population. There was a striking absence of deformed or diseased bones, and the women were so robustly built that it was difficult to tell their skeletal remains from those of the men.'
In spite of his absence from Western culture and history "Stone Age" man is seen to equal or, in some cases, to surpass our own modern accomplishments."...
What an optical lens was doing in ancient Nimrud was then - and remains today - beyond the understanding of orthodox archaeology.
But then so does the ancient 8.8-ton slab of man made glass discovered in 1956 at Beth She'arim, south-west of Galilee.
Similar weights of glass have been manufactured in modern times, but only rarely and for very specialized purposes - like the lenses of giant telescopes. Also, in the pyramid at Dahshur, built by Snefru (c.2613-c.2498 BCE), there lies at the foundation a 35 ton slab of man made purple glass. Think on that for a while.
the pregnancy test
A workable pregnancy test is described on a Babylonian clay tablet. It involved the insertion of a herbaly impregnated woolen tampon into the woman's vagina. When removed and treated with an alum solution, the tampon turned red if the woman was pregnant.
ok ik kan nog uren doorgaan met pasten .. ga zelf maar zoeken .. ik heb wel de leukste voor het laatst bewaard
Ancient Computer More Than 2000 Years Old
There is at least one artifact that proves beyond all doubt that one civilisation in the ancient world possessed technical knowledge which no modern scientists had previously suspected. As it was found in the sea off Antikythera, a small island north west of Crete, it is known as the Antikythera Mechanism.".
It was not until 17th May 1902 that a leading archaeologist examined the artefacts and recognised the outline of cogwheels in one of the lumps of bronze and wood. The writing on the case confirmed that the item had been made in 80 BCE.
In 1958 Derek J. Solla Price, an Englishman who then worked at Cambridge University and who later worked as the Avalon Professor of the History of Science at Yale University in America, examined the mechanism. Using a process for restoring oxidised objects, Dr. Price was able to salvage some of the mass and from these pieces he attempted to rebuild the device.
However it was not until 1971 when X-ray photographs were taken of the artefact by the Greek Atomic Energy Commission, that the mechanism's array of meshing gears was finally revealed.
Price remarked that, "nothing like this instrument is preserved elsewhere. Nothing comparable to it is known from any ancient scientific text or literary allusion. On the contrary, from all that we know of science and technology in the Hellenistic age, we should have felt that a device could not exist".
Work on the artefact revealed that on the outside it had consisted of dials set into a wooden box with at least 20-gear wheels inside. The box was covered with inscriptions that included an astronomical calendar. The mechanism also included a system of differential years. A crank spindle set the gears in motion at various speeds, turning pointers on three dials that calculated the rising and setting times and phases of the Moon, and the positions of the planets Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn all with a high degree of accuracy . "
It appears that this was, indeed a computing machine that could work out and exhibit the motions of the sun and the moon and probably also the planets" ...Solla Price
It could well be that the technology is-pre-Greek since there are no other indications that they had this type of technical ability.
..maar deze zijn imo echt wel grappig
500,000 Year Old Spark Plugs?
Found in California, the concretion in which these metal objects were found are thought by scientists to be 500,000 years or so old. On the left is the frontal view of the object which became visible when the object was broken (in search of fossils)
On the right is a side view x-ray of the obviously artificial object. The x-ray showed what looked like a spring on the end of the object simialr to the metal springs on modern spark plugs. If the object is truly ancient, the question is; "who made it?", if the object is really just a modern spark plug as some suggest, then the question of modern dating techniques is invalidated.
It sure wasn't made by the ancient Greeks, Romans or Egyptians.
(de steen was een crystalsteen .. heeft 500000 jaar nodig om te vormen
met iig 2 stukjes porselein .. (met metaal en veertjje)
porselein past niet zo goed in het stenen tijdperk
The Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skull
Another great oopart is THE crystal skull discovered in Mayan ruins called "Lubaantun", City of Fallen Stones, in British Honduras, Now called Belize. The skull was discovered in 1924 by Anna Le Guillon Mitchell-Hedgesdaughter of F.A. Mitchell-Hedges who was in charge of the digs at Lubaantun. The story goes that his daughter, Anna, was exploring inside some ruins thought to have been a temple, when she found the exquisitely carved crystal skull which was then missing the jawbone. The missing jawbone was found three months later, about
25 feet away from where the top part of the skull was found.
Evidently the story of the skull's discovery is a fabrication. There are supposedly documents in The BritishMuseum that prove it was bidding against Mitchell-Hedges for the artifact at a Sothebys auction in London in
1943.
Be that as it may, we are still left with the problem of the skull itself.
The Mitchell-Hedges skull is made of clear quartz crystal, and both cranium and mandible are believed to have come from the same solid block. It weighs 11.7 pounds and is about five inches high, five inches wide, and seven inches long. Except for slight anomalies in the temples and cheekbones, it is a virtually anatomically correct replica of a human skull. Because of its small size and other characteristics, it is thought more closely to resemble a female skull -- and this has led
some to refer to the Mitchell-Hedges skull as a "she."
The Mitchell-Hedges family loaned the skull to Hewlett-Packard Laboratories for extensive study in 1970. Art restorer Frank Dorland oversaw the testing at the Santa Clara, California, computer equipment manufacturer, a leading facility for crystal research. The HP examinations yielded some startling results.
Researchers found that the skull had been carved against the natural axis of the crystal. Modern crystal sculptors always take into account the axis, or orientation of the crystal's molecular symmetry, because if they carve "against the grain," the piece is bound to shatter -- even with the use of lasers and other high-tech cutting methods.
To add to the enigma, HP could find no microscopic scratches on the crystal which would indicate it had been carved with metal instruments. Dorland's best hypothesis for the skull's construction is that it was roughly hewn out with diamonds, and then the detail work was meticulously done with a gentle solution of silicon sand and water. The exhausting job -- assuming it could possibly be done in this way -- would have required man-hours adding
up to 300 years to complete.
Under these circumstances, experts believe that successfully crafting a shape as complex as the Mitchell-Hedges skull is impossible; as one HP researcher is said to have remarked, "The damned thing simply shouldn't be."
The skull remains in the possession of Anna Mitchell-Hedges. She resides in Canada and displays the skull on frequent tours. Anna has maintained for all these years that she discovered the skull, even though there is reason to doubt that she was present at the Lubaatun expedition at all.
dit is de killer .. en als laatste .. mss blijgt het dan hangen
20,000 to 100,000" Year Old Metalic "Screws"
Thousands of spiral, screwlike objects sized as small as 1/10,000th of an inch (dat is 0,00000254 centimeter!!!) (NANOTECHNOLOGIE.. 2.54 NANOMETER ..) have been found beginning in the early-nineties and are still being found by gold miners in the Ural mountains in Russia.
These metal items found in depths from 3 to 40 feet are thought to be 20 thousand plus years old.
Dr Matveyeva who has studied the objects: “The layer which contains the spiral shaped objects is characterised as gravel and detritus deposits … From their orientation these layers can be dated to 100,000 years and correspond to lower regions of the Mikulinsk horizon of the upper Pleistocene.”
In plain language the Pleistocene is the previous geological epoch, which began about 2 million years ago and ended around 10,000 years ago.
Contrary to what some commentators believe however, we don't think that these objects are extraterrestrial in origin. Rather we think their origin is very terrestrial, the vestiges of a former hi tech civilisation, the evidence of which will become increasing apparent over the coming years.
ff over de laatste nog een wat meergekleurde bron
Pictured below is an example of the strange, often spiral shaped objects found in the eastern Urals. Since 1991 more and more of these objects have been found in the region. Often microscopically small they are made principally of tungsten, molybdenum, and copper. They were discovered during the course of official explorations that had been mounted with a view to exploiting the precious metals in the region. Consequently geological and mineralogical analysis was done by the Central Scientific Research Institute for Geology and Prospecting for Precious and Non Ferrous Metals ( ZNIGRI ) in Moscow. The ZNIGRI put out a report in which the author, Dr Matveyeva states: “The layer which contains the spiral shaped objects is characterised as gravel and detritus deposits … From their orientation these layers can be dated to 100,000 years and correspond to lower regions of the Mikulinsk horizon of the upper Pleistocene.”
In plain language the Pleistocene is the previous geological epoch, which began about 2 million years ago and ended around 10,000 years ago. Contrary to what some commentators believe however, we don't think that these objects are extraterrestrial in origin. Rather we think their origin is very terrestrial, the vestiges of a former hi tech civilisation, the evidence of which will become increasing apparent over the coming years.
die drie metalen he .. die smelten respectievelijk bij
copper/koper 1084.62 °C
Molybdenum 2617 º C
tungsten 3422 °C
ok .. DUS iets geschat op tussen 20.000 en 100.000 jaar oud
gemaakt van 3 metalen .. waarbij een een smelttemp heeft van 3422 graden
EN DAN TER KLEINTE VAN 2.5 NANOMETER .. knappe holbewoner die dat maakt
daar gaat je vandaag de dag nog slecht af denk ik
en wat denk je van een knappe holbewoner die dat maakt + nog perfect ook kijk maar goed naar bovenstaand ..vergeet niet dat deze zomaar schroef DUNNER IS DAN EEN HOOFDHAAR
psst .. en hoe vaak heb je nou gelezen van iets dat het bestaat maar eigenlijk niet zou moeten kunnen ?
ps .. bronnen
Leesen verrry carefully, I weel zay zis only once
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
hmm ... die skull, waarschijnlijk fake:
A documentary was produced of the tests by the BBC. The results were shocking to the museum staff. It was determined that the British skull and the Smithsonian skull were not ancient, but in fact carved using very contemporary methods from the 1800s. Sha-Na-Ra and Max were also examined. While the officials of the museum would not publicly comment as to the results, it was confidentially revealed, by the antiquity expert brought to the museum by its officials, that the method used to carve Max and Sha-Na-Ra, was used more than 5000 years ago! The skull in the British museum was a fake. The Smithsonian skull was a fake. The Mitchell-Hedges skull? Well, we wonder why Anna declined. Her only comment was that it had been tested enough in the past. The BBC aired their documentary in July, 1996 and will be aired by U.S. television, however, no date has yet been set. In a letter to me from Everyman Productions, in London, it was reported by the BBC that they had never aired a program in this series with a larger audience.
bron: http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue10/ar10crystalskull.html
En ik heb verder geen zin/tijd om alles te controleren ...
Je neemt wel heel erg gemakkelijk aan dat deze dingen allemaal kloppen. Er zijn genoeg bewijzen voor heel veel dingen dat ze heel erg fake zijn; ook vroeger heild men er al van om dingen te vervalsen, dus....... Tel uit je winst
A documentary was produced of the tests by the BBC. The results were shocking to the museum staff. It was determined that the British skull and the Smithsonian skull were not ancient, but in fact carved using very contemporary methods from the 1800s. Sha-Na-Ra and Max were also examined. While the officials of the museum would not publicly comment as to the results, it was confidentially revealed, by the antiquity expert brought to the museum by its officials, that the method used to carve Max and Sha-Na-Ra, was used more than 5000 years ago! The skull in the British museum was a fake. The Smithsonian skull was a fake. The Mitchell-Hedges skull? Well, we wonder why Anna declined. Her only comment was that it had been tested enough in the past. The BBC aired their documentary in July, 1996 and will be aired by U.S. television, however, no date has yet been set. In a letter to me from Everyman Productions, in London, it was reported by the BBC that they had never aired a program in this series with a larger audience.
bron: http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue10/ar10crystalskull.html
En ik heb verder geen zin/tijd om alles te controleren ...
Je neemt wel heel erg gemakkelijk aan dat deze dingen allemaal kloppen. Er zijn genoeg bewijzen voor heel veel dingen dat ze heel erg fake zijn; ook vroeger heild men er al van om dingen te vervalsen, dus....... Tel uit je winst
Er zijn ook schelpen in de vorm van schroeven , dus wie weet zijn het wel skelleten van schelpdieren of anders dingen geweest. Dus niet gemaakt door de holbewoner maar gewoon zo onstaan door een speling van de natuur.
It is a sad day, it is a red day. It is going to be a black day. When the sun rises........
Some day you shall flee, Panted and weak - Master, Passion, Greed.
Some day you shall flee, Panted and weak - Master, Passion, Greed.
En het verhaaltje in het kort aub? Ik haat zo'n lange posts, ze nemen veel te veel tijd in beslag om te lezen en lezen op een pc-scherm is sowieso lastig.
Sex is not the answer. Sex is the question. 'Yes' is the answer.
Nu ook op foto verkrijgbaar
Nu ook op foto verkrijgbaar
Er zijn blijkbaar dingen gevonden, waarvan ze aannemen dat ze:quote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 14:07 schreef Keios het volgende:
En het verhaaltje in het kort aub? Ik haat zo'n lange posts, ze nemen veel te veel tijd in beslag om te lezen en lezen op een pc-scherm is sowieso lastig.
a- door inteligente levensvormen gemaakt,
b- te oud zijn om in onze "geaccepteerde" geschiedenis te vallen...
Al gaat TS er wel van uit dat alles ook echt klopt, d.w.z. het geen fake/toeval/vergissingen zijn..
You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe
C. Sagan
C. Sagan
klopt ik had hem eig altijd al genegeerd .. vind hem gewoon creepy eruit zien .. maar ik las dus dat ie tegen de draad in gemaakt zou zijn .. wat z.g.a. altijd moet breken dan .. of je doet het danwel zo langzaam dat je er 300 jaar mee bezig bentquote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 13:36 schreef Bright het volgende:
hmm ... die skull, waarschijnlijk fake:
Je neemt wel heel erg gemakkelijk aan dat deze dingen allemaal kloppen. Er zijn genoeg bewijzen
verder is die dus zonder vindplaatst ed .. dus dat is wat makkelijker he
klopt .. maar ik denk ook dat ze in 1860 nog weinig behoefte hadden om een stuk goud in een stuk kool te verstoppen .. en nog danig goed gedaan ook .. probeer het eens zou ik zeggen
we weten het niet + we willen het niet weten = negatief
jij weet het niet + zij weten het niet + ik weet het het niet = onbekend
klopt .. zou kunnen .. alleen .. what are the oddsquote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 14:00 schreef Lord Dreamer het volgende:
Er zijn ook schelpen in de vorm van schroeven , dus wie weet zijn het wel skelleten van schelpdieren of anders dingen geweest. Dus niet gemaakt door de holbewoner maar gewoon zo onstaan door een speling van de natuur.
moeder natuur gaat beetje over haar buikje aaien en
ploef een perfect spiraaltje
van 0.00254 millimeter dik
bestaande uit iets wat tot 3300 graden verwarm moet worden om gevormd te worden
(voordeel van deze theorie is dat moeder natuur best een hete vrouw is af en toe )
verder .. is het dus niet dat ik elk specifiek gevalletje wil ontleden .. maar er zijn VEEL meer gevallen dan de paar die hier staan
Leesen verrry carefully, I weel zay zis only once
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
tja voor het gemak ga ik daar ff vanuitquote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 14:14 schreef The_stranger het volgende:
Al gaat TS er wel van uit dat alles ook echt klopt, d.w.z. het geen fake/toeval/vergissingen zijn..
en aangezien er dus gevallin tusse zitten van 1840 die nog steeds niet bewezen zijn
zoiets als dat stuk porselein van een half miljoen jaar .. gevangen in een krystalsteen
die zit er nog steeds half in
dat is dus gewoon geen fake
tenzij alle sites die het zeggen fake zijn
maar dan durf ik nog wel te zoeken naar de nieuwsberichten waarnaar zij linken
(lets face it ik ben ook maar mens en weet ook niet alles .. en wil ook niet alles zelf uitzoeken )
Leesen verrry carefully, I weel zay zis only once
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
Ill quit thinking w my dick when u quit fucking with my head
Hey ..bolletje magma , juiste afstand van de zon , wow leven op dat bolletje , hoppa paar miljard jaar later "de mens" even later "de ontkenning door de mens"quote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 14:22 schreef coz het volgende:
klopt .. zou kunnen .. alleen .. what are the odds
moeder natuur gaat beetje over haar buikje aaien en
ploef een perfect spiraaltje
van 0.00254 millimeter dik
bestaande uit iets wat tot 3300 graden verwarm moet worden om gevormd te worden
(voordeel van deze theorie is dat moeder natuur best een hete vrouw is af en toe )
It is a sad day, it is a red day. It is going to be a black day. When the sun rises........
Some day you shall flee, Panted and weak - Master, Passion, Greed.
Some day you shall flee, Panted and weak - Master, Passion, Greed.
Dat slaat natuurlijk nergens op; het metaal kan ook een onderdeel van een moleculaire verbinding zijn geweest en de verbinding is chemisch gewijzigd. (Wij hebben tenslotte ook diverse moleculen, atomen in ons lichaam die flink heet moeten worden om te smelten, maar toch worden gebruikt)quote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 14:22 schreef coz het volgende:
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bestaande uit iets wat tot 3300 graden verwarm moet worden om gevormd te worden
(voordeel van deze theorie is dat moeder natuur best een hete vrouw is af en toe )
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youre point .. gaia kan veel als ze over der buikje krabt .. okie .. maar ook spiraaltjes maken van 2 NANOMETER ? ik betwijfel het voorlopig if ya dont mind ..quote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 14:56 schreef Lord Dreamer het volgende:
Hey ..bolletje magma , juiste afstand van de zon , wow leven op dat bolletje , hoppa paar miljard jaar later "de mens" even later "de ontkenning door de mens"
maar dan moet ze (gaia) ook al die andere out of place meuk hebben gemaakt .. simpelweg omdat er volgens quote van je ten tijde van de aardlagen waaruit de ontdekkingen komen die niet passen in de aangenomen wetenschap ..evolutie ed ..
en ok ..een schroefje van 2 NANOMETER die perfect gevormd is ..tja dat kan
wat vind je van die andere combo dan
porselein -- metaal -- veertje -- porselein
ingekapseld IN EEN STEEN
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Ik heb overigens altijd twijfels bij wetenschappelijke conclusies van rond 1900. Elke romanticus met geld deed wel een ontdekking of schreef een boek over Arische inwoners van Mu.
Wat meer info over je porselein -- metaal -- veertje -- porselein combinatie in een steen:quote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 16:26 schreef coz het volgende:
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youre point .. gaia kan veel als ze over der buikje krabt .. okie .. maar ook spiraaltjes maken van 2 NANOMETER ? ik betwijfel het voorlopig if ya dont mind ..
maar dan moet ze (gaia) ook al die andere out of place meuk hebben gemaakt .. simpelweg omdat er volgens quote van je ten tijde van de aardlagen waaruit de ontdekkingen komen die niet passen in de aangenomen wetenschap ..evolutie ed ..
en ok ..een schroefje van 2 NANOMETER die perfect gevormd is ..tja dat kan
wat vind je van die andere combo dan
porselein -- metaal -- veertje -- porselein
ingekapseld IN EEN STEEN
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Waarschijnlijk is het een bougie van rond 1920 van het merk champion. De "ontdekkers" waren op zoek naar geodes (soort "stenen" met een holle ruimte met kristal e.d.) Er is echter geen bewijs, zoals wel wordt beweerd op verschillende sites, dat het object uit zo'n geode komt. Ook is niet bekend uit welke grondlaag het kwam. Dit alles maakt het hoogst onwaarschijnlijk dat het object inderdaad een OOpart is. Verder is de gelijkenis met een 1920's bougie zo gelijkend, dat met grote zekerheid kan worden gesteld dat het ook daadwerkelijk een OOpart is.
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Dus van het lijstje zijn er (waarschijnlijk) al twee fake... Statistisch gezien, heb ik weinig hoop voor de rest van de lijst..
Al is mijn bron natuurlijk ook een hypothese, en zou het best zo kunnen zijn..
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het is wel aangetoond dat ze recent (maar 13 jaar ). tov 20.000- 100.000 jaar dus gevonden is (de spiraaltjes )quote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 16:25 schreef Monidique het volgende:
Volgens mij was trouwens al aangetoond dat die schroeven daar gewoon recent gedumpt zijn.
en ik ben benieuwd of we het (niet chemisch dus ) nu uberhaubt kunnen maken
verder ..ik wil nog steeds niet al deze cases stuk voor stuk behandelen of verdedigen .. ik kan er mss ook wel een ingestouwd hebben die ondertussen geniune fake is
maar is er dan niemand die zegt ..goh dat zijn aardig wat verschillende vreemde dingen
je hebt gelijk dat het niet past
je hebt gelijk dat het logischerwijs genegeerd is
zijn er nog meer ? ( ja hoor )
en wat betekend dit dan ? .. ( en er was licht)
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Nee, want het past wel, gezien het feit dat al een aantal genoemde anomalies al bewezen zijn als hedendaags en, zoals ik het zie, dat met alle objecten gaat gebeurenquote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 16:39 schreef coz het volgende:
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maar is er dan niemand die zegt ..goh dat zijn aardig wat verschillende vreemde dingen
je hebt gelijk dat het niet past
Het is niet genegeerd, maar zodra het bewezen is als hedendaags, dan hoor je daar niets van, je hoort alleen maar mensen dezelfde dingen over and over oprakelen, zonder dus die wetenschappelijke bewijzen te noemenquote:je hebt gelijk dat het logischerwijs genegeerd is
Ik kom toch steeds maar dezelfde dingen tegen, op meerdere sites..quote:zijn er nog meer ? ( ja hoor )
Dat veel mensen blijkbaar dingen spectaculairder maken zonder dat er echt bewijs voor is. (en het licht ging weer uit)quote:en wat betekend dit dan ? .. ( en er was licht)
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ik vind wel dat men het hier heel erg gemakkelijk afwimpeld aan de hand van één verklaring steeds.
het lijkt wel dat 9\11 gebeuren.
de een komt met 20 bronnen , de ander zegt nee het is niet zo want ik heb hier 1 bron ooit gehoord te zeggen dat het dit of dat was.
er zijn duizenden 00parts , en zeker 3kwart ervan is *bewezen* authentiek uit die tijd te komen waaruit niet zou kunnen komen volgens de wetenschap.
ik heb nog wel een leuke link naar een aantal voorbeelden.
http://www.earth-house.com/mystery_travel/ooparts/ooparts.html
sorrie dat ik het zeg maar men reageerd hier wel weer erg haastig met ontkenning.
neem de tijd zou ik zeggen
en daarbij , mensen die het niet willen lezen omdat het een lange text is , ik vraag me echt af wat het obstakel nou moet zijn , ben je geinterreseerd of niet?
no offence verder.
groeten.
het lijkt wel dat 9\11 gebeuren.
de een komt met 20 bronnen , de ander zegt nee het is niet zo want ik heb hier 1 bron ooit gehoord te zeggen dat het dit of dat was.
er zijn duizenden 00parts , en zeker 3kwart ervan is *bewezen* authentiek uit die tijd te komen waaruit niet zou kunnen komen volgens de wetenschap.
ik heb nog wel een leuke link naar een aantal voorbeelden.
http://www.earth-house.com/mystery_travel/ooparts/ooparts.html
sorrie dat ik het zeg maar men reageerd hier wel weer erg haastig met ontkenning.
neem de tijd zou ik zeggen
en daarbij , mensen die het niet willen lezen omdat het een lange text is , ik vraag me echt af wat het obstakel nou moet zijn , ben je geinterreseerd of niet?
no offence verder.
groeten.
Vraag yvonne maar hoe tof ik ben, die gaf mij er ooit een tagje voor.
applaus dat je daar twee van de hele lange lijst van honderden items al voor hoeft te bepalen als mogelijkfake om de rest ook maar de dismissen,negeren, ontwijken hoe je het wilt doenquote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 16:50 schreef The_stranger het volgende:
(en het licht ging weer uit)
weer dezelfde logica als ik ook in het (oa) ufo topic vind .. bij veel mensen
"Het is niet genegeerd, maar zodra het bewezen is als hedendaags" .. ja maar je snapt zelf dat zolang het niet alledaags is men het niet eens wil zien ..over nadenken en zelfs tot je applauswaardige uuh .geef jij het maar een naam komt .. iig .. het zal in dit temp altijd OOpart blijven
er zitten dus OOparts tussen die uit achtiehonderdenzestig komen .. 1860 .. dat is 144 jaar .. hoe lang wil je wachten opdat ze bewezen zijn als fake
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.. je bent een engel
(in het kort wat bg hieronder zegt )
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.. je bent een engel(in het kort wat bg hieronder zegt )
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mooi topic , mooie reacties , interresante reacties.
bookmarked.
bookmarked.
Vraag yvonne maar hoe tof ik ben, die gaf mij er ooit een tagje voor.
In mijn post refereer ik naar jou lijst, die slechts een aantal voorwerpen betreft.quote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 17:39 schreef coz het volgende:
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applaus dat je daar twee van de hele lange lijst van honderden items al voor hoeft te bepalen als mogelijkfake om de rest ook maar de dismissen,negeren, ontwijken hoe je het wilt doen
Wat ik bedoelde was het feit dat veel sites vaak voorbijgaan aan een, in mijn ogen, veel logischere wetenschappelijke verklaring. Kijk, in het geval van die "bougie", is het nooit 100% te bewijzen dat het ook echt een bougie is. Zeker niet als men dan ook nog de feiten verdraait, dat wel zeggen in het geval van de bougie, dat het ook in een geode gevonden zou zijn.quote:weer dezelfde logica als ik ook in het (oa) ufo topic vind .. bij veel mensen
"Het is niet genegeerd, maar zodra het bewezen is als hedendaags" .. ja maar je snapt zelf dat zolang het niet alledaags is men het niet eens wil zien ..over nadenken en zelfs tot je applauswaardige uuh .geef jij het maar een naam komt .. iig .. het zal in dit temp altijd OOpart blijven
er zitten dus OOparts tussen die uit achtiehonderdenzestig komen .. 1860 .. dat is 144 jaar .. hoe lang wil je wachten opdat ze bewezen zijn als fake
Er is echter wel een veel plausibelere verklaring te verzinnen dan dat het een man-made object is van 200.000 jaar oud. Maar dat klinkt allemaal niet zo spectaculair, dus daar zijn veel minder websites over.
Verder zijn er misschien nog onopgeloste OO-parts uit 1860, maar het feit dat ze nog niet zijn verklaard, kan ook liggen aan het feit dat de omstandigheden waaronder ze zijn gevonden niet bekend meer zijn?? In 1860 had men toch best wel een andere kijk op wetenschap.
Daardoor zou het heel goed kunnen dat men een aantal belangrijke feiten verkeerd heeft geinterpreteerd, waardoor het anno 2004 onmogelijk wordt om uit te sluiten dat het een "modern" object betreft. Maar dat wil niet zeggen dat het dan niet meer in onze versie van geschiedenis past.
Da's niet zo aardigquote:
Ik geloof dat de versie van geschiedenis die we nu voor waar aannemen niet 100% correct is, maar ik geloof ook dat zulke extreme dingen als OO-parts, eerder zijn ontstaan uit de noodzaak om in iets te geloven buiten het hier en nu om, dan in de verre pre-historie...
Ik hoop echter dat ik ongelijk heb, dat maakt het wel wat interessanter...
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okie die boegie is afaik ..dus nog steeds een stuk porselein metaal veertje porseleinquote:Op donderdag 12 augustus 2004 18:57 schreef The_stranger het volgende:
Ik hoop echter dat ik ongelijk heb, dat maakt het wel wat interessanter...
en heeft ooit eens een vergelijking meegekregen van een boegie
dit is een kort lijstje van mss echt goede uit het oog springende OOparts die je niet wetenschappelijk kan verklaren
vandaar dat die er ook niet is bij dezen
als je doorklikt op het topic waar naar gelinkt werd vind je wat meer down to earth ooparts
die dan nogsteeds niet kloppen met welke theorie ook
kijk een verloren beschaving van (bijv) 2.500.000 jaar oud is leuk hoor .. maar het past gewoon niet .. want toen was de rest van de aapjes uuh aap
oke laat ik dus zo zeggen .. er is 3 keer een gouden iets gevonden in een stuk kool
wie in deze egoistische wereld wil een stuk goud in een stuk kool verstoppen en iets faken
zo van ach ik zoek een goede verstopplaats ?
probeer een steen zou ik zeggen ..past ook een boegie in
ik verzin het niet hoor
In 1961 a fossil encrusted geode (although this one was not hollow) was picked up in the Coso Mountains, six miles northeast of Olancha, California, near the top of a 4300' peak overlooking the dry bed of Owens Lake by some rockhounds. What was discovered after it had been cut in half, ruining a diamond saw blade in the process, is something that has caused much debate over the years, and continues to this day.
hebben ze dat van die diamantzaag ook vast verzonnen
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De kans is heel klein, maar er zijn ook heel veel objecten waar het op kan gebeuren, dus dan wordt de kans weer groot dat het gebeurd.quote:klopt .. zou kunnen .. alleen .. what are the odds
moeder natuur gaat beetje over haar buikje aaien en
ploef een perfect spiraaltje
van 0.00254 millimeter dik
bestaande uit iets wat tot 3300 graden verwarm moet worden om gevormd te worden
(voordeel van deze theorie is dat moeder natuur best een hete vrouw is af en toe )
verder .. is het dus niet dat ik elk specifiek gevalletje wil ontleden .. maar er zijn VEEL meer gevallen dan de paar die hier staan
Dat een wonder op een object gebeurd is klein, maar met bijna oneindig veel objecten is de kans op een wonder groot.
en wat mag dat eerste object dan wel niet zijn ? of begrijk ik je verkeerd .. je ziet liever dat het door de natuur gevormd is ...maargoed ..al die dingen zijn klein en een legering van 3 metalen vaakquote:Op vrijdag 13 augustus 2004 03:01 schreef MeneerGiraffe het volgende:
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De kans is heel klein, maar er zijn ook heel veel objecten waar het op kan gebeuren, dus dan wordt de kans weer groot dat het gebeurd.
Dat een wonder op een object gebeurd is klein, maar met bijna oneindig veel objecten is de kans op een wonder groot.
nanometer+3300 graden .. en gaia maakt er een schroef van ....makes sense
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En die 'bacterien' dan in meteoren etc? Niet door Gaia gemaakt, dus er is wel degelijk leven buiten de aarde.....quote:Op vrijdag 13 augustus 2004 03:14 schreef coz het volgende:
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en wat mag dat eerste object dan wel niet zijn ? of begrijk ik je verkeerd .. je ziet liever dat het door de natuur gevormd is ...maargoed ..al die dingen zijn klein en een legering van 3 metalen vaak
nanometer+3300 graden .. en gaia maakt er een schroef van ....makes sense
Maar ja, die kleine dingen die zijn gevonden kunnen dus ook door chemische processen worden gevormd.
Zo gaat dat heel vaak; onder bepaalde omstandigheden doen moleculen heel anders dan we zouden verwachten; ze kunnen zich best rangschikken in een bepaald verband.
Als je ziet dat dat metaal regelmatig 'zin' heeft om in een schroef te zitten, is het dan niet zo dat er een chemisch proces is geweest waardoor de rangschikking van de moleculen eenvoudig een schroefvorm oplevert?
Oh ja - zit er ook een kop op die schroef? Anders kun je 'm niet eens aandraaien. Of had de voorgaande beschaving geen schroefkop meer nodig?
* Bright krijgt het 'The planet of the Apes' -gevoel
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