Chemtrails - deel X

Ik ben al de hele tijd aan het zoeken/searchen maar de search engine blijkt kapot te zijn dus ik zal je nog ff geduld moeten vragen !

De man in questie zit bij het leger als communicatie expert en heeft een hogere securatie clearance , ook is hij Admin bij www.anomalies.net en ken hem dus van persoonlijk conversatie

Op dit board heeft hij toen meegedaan aan een thread hierover waarop hij zelfs een foto van de bewuste vliegtuigen geplaatst (deze foto schijnt ook later in de ART Bell show gebruikt te zijn !)

Het interesante bewuste artiekel gaat over meerdere vliegtuigen in militaire Formatie die INEENS beginnen te sprayen en dit ook kortstondig onderbreken.....ook veranderen deze Militaire Formaties van koers zodat er een Raster patroon van trails onstaan !!

het stoppen en weer starten van de trail duid op menselijke interventie dus de conlusie Chemtrails geen Contrails

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Op donderdag 4 december 2003 17:24 schreef merlin693 het volgende:

het stoppen en weer starten van de trail duid op menselijke interventie dus de conlusie Chemtrails geen Contrails

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Nee, stoppen en starten van contrails kan ook duiden op druk/warmte/vocht -verschillen in de lucht...

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Markzman_X schreef:

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Maar snap je waarom ik daarna vroeg, of je die gast goed kende: omdat sinds het John Titor verhaal iedereen zich op internet wel voor kan doen als "expert" dit of dat die bij een of andere agency heeft gewerkt. Mensen gaan heel ver in het maken van dat soort (fake) verhalen.
Maar goed, ik vertrouw op je perceptie.

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overigens ik zelf heb ze nog nooit hier boven nederland gezien..ik vind dat typische Contrails ...en de rasters hier is logisch met zoveel verkeer boven zo'n klein land

Mijn 2 centen zijn dat het gebied Militair gezien interesant moet zijn !

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Op donderdag 4 december 2003 15:12 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
"Kunnen weersomstandigheden niet gewoon voor de lang hangende contrails zorgen? Is dit uitgesloten?"

punt 1 ja , maar ze zien er iets anders uit (daar bedoel ik mee het uitdijings gedrag)

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"Hoe wordt het vraagstuk van de enorme hoeveelheid chemicalien die nodig zijn opgelost? De logistiek erachter en de extra ballast voor het vliegtuig zijn een enorme bottleneck voor deze chemtrails-theorie."

punt 2 : doordat de grootste concentratie chemtrails gemaakt word door militaire vliegtuigen en NIET door commerciele !

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Military Said Behind Up To Four
Different Chemtrail Programs
EXCLUSIVE TO THE SPOTLIGHT
By Mike Blair
6-21-1

Just what exactly are those mysterious airplane vapor trails seen filling America's skies? A group of independent investigators may have the answer.

In a series of high-tech programs that would enthrall the most dedicated science fiction fans, the military is producing what have become known as "chemtrails" -- the thick, viscous airplane engine trails that have been poisoning the air and ground with toxic chemicals.

For two years, The SPOTLIGHT has been in contact with experts in fields ranging from medicine to nuclear energy who have been investigating the mysterious trails left by airplanes in skies all over America and in many foreign countries.

These "tracks" in the skies, believed to be left by a combination of military and civilian aircraft drawn into the massive, multi-billion dollar program, are unlike regular high-flying aircraft's vapor trails. Instead of dissipating rapidly, these so-called "chemtrails" mesh together for hours and are often mistaken for natural clouds.

The principal chemical being deposited in the air consists of various mixtures of barium salts, which were revealed in studies undertaken by a Pennsylvania-based high-tech weapons scientist. Chemicals, he said, were being utilized as part of the development of a new radar system at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio.


The base will be the site of a public demonstration on Saturday, June 23, starting at 1 p.m. under the sponsorship of Ohio Citizens Against chemtrails, headed by Kim Weber, one of the citizens working on the chemtrail investigation. The rally will be attended by hundreds of people from across the nation who are concerned about these poisons being dumped out of the sky onto millions of people on the ground.

Considerable effort has been put into chemtrail research by a physicist who has been associated with Brookhaven National Laboratory on Long Island, N.Y. The scientist, with his fellow researchers, has determined that the chemtrails are being created by efforts of the military in at least four major, but separate, projects.

The first project is an effort to block the rays of the sun from hitting the Earth, including ultra-violet radiation that will come through without an adequate layer of ozone in the upper regions above the Earth.

In the event of global warming, this, it is hoped, could lower temperatures on the surface of the Earth and block ultra-violet radiation from causing skin cancer in humans. The aerosol being sprayed in this case is probably aluminum oxide or a compound that would have similar properties, and is the only one of the government programs that does not use the barium mixtures.

BLACK PROJECTS?

The second and most secret project is the Navy's Radio Frequency Mission Planner (RFMP) program, which is a system encompassing a group of computer programs. One of its supporting subprograms is know as Variable Terrain Radio Parabolic Equation or VTRPE.

This is a computer radio frequency propagation program that deals with radio waves and enables the RFMP system to visually see the terrain of a battlefield in three dimensions on a television-type screen.

The RFMP system also depends on a satellites to supplement the images of a battlefield picture obtained from the ground, thus producing the 3-dimensional images. In providing an interactive picture portraying in the radar screen, the RFMP system allows the computer operator to develop familiarity with the "environment" before a war mission occurs by playing a variety of "what if?" virtual warfare scenarios on his computer screen. Since all major modes of radio frequency propagation are modeled in his computer (the RFMP system), special, sometimes counter-intuitive, cases can be examined in detail and exploited during a battle.

Initially, the VTRPE computer program only worked accurately over water and along coastal areas but not over land masses because the system's radar waves required an atmospheric condition known as "ducting," over land, to operate accurately.

This "ducting" problem was solved by releasing an aerosol, a mixture of barium salts into the atmosphere over the United States. Thus, they can make an atmospheric radio frequency "duct" with a base of barium aerosol released from aircraft.

One of the researchers, the physicist from Brookhaven, explained how the process works: The chemical and electrical characteristics of the mixture cause moisture to stay in the clouds. The aerosol sets up an electrical and chemical environmental that supports RF ducting for the RFMP/VTRPE warfare system."The mixture of barium salt from the aerosol when sprayed in a straight line will also provide a ducting path form point A to point B and will enable high frequency communications along that path, even over the curvature of the Earth, in both directions," he said. "Enemy high frequency communications can be monitored easier with the straight line A to B ducting medium."

The third project also utilizes the mixture of barium salts in the atmosphere and involves weather control. It is a project of the AIR Force and utilizes concepts of radio frequency radiation, developed originally by legendary scientist Nikola Tesla, against the ionosphere above the Earth. Known as the so-called HAARP project, it is manipulating life-support systems in the environment, testing and altering them for military advantage.

Air Force documents, obtained by the independent researchers, indicate that "the risks are high but the rewards are worth it." The mixture of barium salts, supporting moisture, is administered along the weather fronts and manipulated in a controlled fashion. It is believed that microwave energy is also utilized in the weather control program. Weather data is also a required input to the VTRPE program of the RFMP system. Perfect weather control technology will enable the military to withhold rain, cause floods, cause drought, cause storms, withhold sunshine, damage food crops, and bring any country to its knees without firing a shot.

The fourth atmospheric project is being run by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) as a means to detect and decontaminate enemy biological attacks.

The program also utilizes a mixture of barium salts as the base vehicle in aerosol, along with special polymer fibers.

The combination allows detection of biological agents. Some biological agents have actually been released into the atmosphere in trials, testing the detection and decontamination systems. It is believed that barium salt, polymer fibers and other chemicals in the atmosphere are the physical irritants that may be directly or indirectly responsible for unexplained nose bleeds, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, upper respiratory ailments and arthritis-like systems. Chemicals sprayed into the atmosphere are producing air and ground conditions that may be harmful to humans and animals, while stimulating the growth of molds and bacteria. Barium salts, an Earth metal, are toxins that absorb readily into the gastrointestinal tract which are deposited into muscles and other tissue. No case data is available on the long-term effects of barium in humans.

"The programs remain secret because the Environmental Protection Agency and state environmental agencies need 'not know' about the by-products of the metabolites of these biological, illegal and harmful agents," said one of the researchers.

"It's for that reason the combined projects have been kept secret from the citizens."

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Hoeveel gewicht aan chemicalien kan een militair vliegtuig meenemen en is dit voldoende voor de sporen die we in de lucht zien?

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Each KC-135 Stratotanker carries 150,000 pounds of transferable fuel or chemicals. The KC-10 Extender carries approximately 320,000 pounds of fuel/chemicals.

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Op donderdag 4 december 2003 18:48 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
ff snel
Each KC-135 Stratotanker carries 150,000 pounds of transferable fuel or chemicals. The KC-10 Extender carries approximately 320,000 pounds of fuel/chemicals.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=9873

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Let's do some calculations for the fun of it.
First, some facts.
The KC-10 aircraft can off-load 250,000 pounds of fuel. (Source: AF News)

Second, anything released into the atmosphere will disperse. It does not stay concentrated where it was released. Concentrations downwind from a source of release can be calculated based on well-developed equations. (Source: Any atmospheric chemistry textbook, industrial hygiene text, or spill response guidance books. I used a calculator at http://www.industrialhygiene.com/calc/model.html for this purpose.)

OK, now let's make some assumptions to simplify the calculations.

1) Let's assume a KC-10 is carrying 250,000 pounds of some chemical instead of fuel. Let's further assume that somehow this KC-10 is going to spray this chemical. In order to provide a source rate for our calculations, we'll also assume that the entire load is sprayed in 30 minutes. (I know this isn't consistent with the chemtrail sightings reports which claim these aircraft fly around for hours spraying, but it gives a worst case kind of value.) This gives a source rate of 63 billion micrograms/second.

2) Now, let's further assume that our KC-10 has the amazing capability to hover. Therefore, all of the material is sprayed in one spot.

3) Let's further assume extreme stability of the atmosphere to limit the dispersion and provide maximum concentrations. We'll also assume a very low windspeed of 0.1 meter/second. (Again, this limits the amount of dispersion.)

OK, now some results. If this KC-10 was hovering and spraying right over your head (approximately 2 m high), the maximum concentration you would see on the ground would be 19.3 billion micrograms/cubic meter at 60 meters downwind.

If we take the KC-10 up to 10 meters, the maximum concentration on the ground is 80 million micrograms/cubic meter at 400 meters downwind.

Spraying at 100 meters, gives a maximum concentration of 1.7 million micrograms/cubic meter at 15,000 meters downwind.

Spraying at 1000 meters gives a maximum concentration of 37.6 micrograms/cubic meter at 80 million meters downwind.

Spraying at 2000 meters gives a maximum concentration of 0.76 micrograms/cubic meter at 3.5 billion meters downwind.

(For those who may not understand why the maximum concentration is shown at a distance downwind, think of watching the smoke for a smokestack. The smoke does not reach the ground (if at all) until some distance from the smokestack, depending upon weather conditions.)

To put these concentrations into perspective, the lowest allowable exposure level for workers I could find was for strontium chromate at 0.5 micrograms/cubic meter. This is the level workers are allowed to be exposed to 40 hours per week over a working life without significant risk of adverse affects. Another allowable exposure level for workers which may have more meaning to people is the allowable exposure level for strychnine is 150 micrograms/cubic meter. So, even at 2000 meters assuming everything above brings you down to a very low exposure level.

Now, let's add reality in.

1) The most stable atmosphere occurs on cloudy nights. "Chemtrails" are reported as occurring during bright, sunny days. This significantly reduces the stability factor which would reduce the calculated concentrations.

2) KC-10s and the aircraft supposedly sighted laying down "chemtrails" can't hover. Their movement across the sky creates an additional significant dispersion in and of itself. This again would significantly reduce the calculated concentrations.

3) The concentration downwind assumes that the source rate continues to feed the plume in order for it to reach the distance downwind for the maximum. However, any plane has a limited capacity of what it can carry and there's no way to support this kind of source rate. So, any reduction in source rate would result in reduced concentation on the ground.

4) These "chemtrails" are supposedly from spraying at much higher altitudes than 2000 m. (Sorry, I got tired of playing with the numbers and didn't go any further.) And every doubling of the height does not simply cut the concentration in half. It's a much greater reduction. (I didn't figure it out, but it's probably closer to dividing by the increase cubed, since it's dispersing in 3 directions.)

Conclusion: There is simply no way physically for anything sprayed at the height at which contrails (or supposed chemtrails) are observed to reach any kind of concentration on the ground which would have any affect on people whatsoever.

Bron: http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000033.html

Maar waarom dan?

* Inkoppertje: Ik sta al onder invloed van de chemtrails

* Serieus: Ik zie: berekeningen; bronnen voor die berekeningen; feiten die ik zelf kan controleren, zou ik er de tijd voor willen nemen; natuurkundige wetten die ik niet ken, duidelijk uitgelegd; correcte conclusies (dus niet van "Jij gelooft mij niet, dus ben je gebrainwashed"); simpel uitgelegd voor mensen die het niet snappen (zoals ik); en nogmaals: feiten mét een bron.

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Op vrijdag 5 december 2003 00:53 schreef jojoja het volgende:
ik doe ook een duit in het zakje:
zou het kunnen zijn dat chemie bedrijven zitten met grote hoeveelheden chemisch afval en die niet kwijt kunnen.
en daarom luchtvaart maatschappijen aanspreken om wat van die shit te lozen voor een paar duizend euro boven waardanook.

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Op vrijdag 5 december 2003 10:50 schreef Rasing het volgende:

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Mwoa, dumpen in zee lijkt me dan een stuk gemakkelijker c.q. goedkoper...

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Op vrijdag 5 december 2003 10:50 schreef Rasing het volgende:

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Mwoa, dumpen in zee lijkt me dan een stuk gemakkelijker c.q. goedkoper...

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Perhaps I can shed some light on this chem-trail/con-trail thing.
I've been in the Air Force for 26 years, and while my field is combat communications, I am familiar with a lot of the flying-type missions.

I'm not familiar with anything that might be considered weather modification.

On the OTHER hand. Two years ago, I had just bought my wife a hot tub for Mother's Day. We decided that it was nice to sit out in the evening and watch the skies. Something I do anyway, is watch the skies, always have, always will. I've very familiar with the air traffic control patterns in our area of the Front Range. I know where planes will be found, I know where they aren't supposed to be.

Late one evening about 5 or 6 weeks after we had the hot tub, and had been sitting out every evening, there was a clear sky, the sun was just going behind the mountains and I noticed several air craft flying in formation. I grabbed some binoculars that I keep sitting near the tub and noted they looked like tankers.

At about the same time I got a good bead on one, it started to show a trail, where it had not been showing one moments before.

When I took my eyes from the binoculars, I saw a string of about 8 or 9 planes. Eight trails for certain could be seen, evenly spaces several thousand feet apart, at around 40 or 50 thousand feet (that's an estimate only, based on the plane - they were KC-135s, I got a very good look at them through my spotter scope a few minutes later).

I watched the planes travel east to west, then the trails ceased.

The planes vanished behind Pikes Peak and the mountain range. About 20 minutes later, the reappeared to the south. By then I had my camera, and my spotter scope (where I confirmed I was seeing a KC-135 tanker). I took a couple of shots, because I'd never seen anything like it before. I figured it was some kind of practice for an air show.

They planes traveled from south to north (almost precisely on true north) - and then they continued the pattern. When they finished, I was seeing a checkerboard pattern. At the same time, I started noticing no more air planes in the area.

The next day was Saturday, so I called over to Peterson and asked about an air show, they weren't aware of anything.

I asked about the "show" I'd observed the night before. They knew "nothing about that". I asked about the patterns they left, and the folks at Operations were not aware of any flights that would have involved tankers flying in formation, nor were they aware of anything else going on the night before.

The Colorado Springs tower DID confirm they had diverted traffic for a couple of hours around the Pikes Peak region for some unknown military maneauvers. But, no one could confirm the exercise.

We don't fly KC-135's out of Peterson, we fly C-130s. None of my pilot friends were aware of anything either.

I wrote it off until I heard an Art Bell show one night. Then it started to click.

So - before Tycho, or anyone else offhandedly dismisses this subject as an urban legend (and you're fine to believe what you will, Sir) I would suggest you all take another look at it.

In about January of this year, the CIA published some predictions, for the beginning of this century, to include present through about 2015.

In the paper, they state that they believe The US will have had several terrorist attacks, to include, but not limited too, chemical and biological weapons.

We are always on alert for those types of things anyway.

What IF this is real, and they aren't doing weather modification (and if the mission wereclassified, which it likely is - they are going to tell you something, just enough to let you THINK they are telling you the truth). So... what if they are actually innoculating the entire US public against an Anthrax attack or something similar?

Hasn't anyone noticed that suddenly the anthrax vaccine has become almost unavilable even for US military personnel???? No one pays attention to this stuff but me? I can't believe that.

Now, I'm just as skeptical about a lot of this stuff as anyone else, but, I live here in the US Tycho, I work for the government, I've been with the government for 26 years. Don't get me wrong, but, you're writing this off based on a bunch of debunkers that haven't the experience with the US government that I have.

Finally, I'm not saying that they really ARE doing ANYTHING with chemicals, bt it was highly unusual for what I personally saw, and I have not seen it since. (And there were dozens of others who saw it in the area that evening besides me, including pilots who thought something odd was going on).

That was two years ago... since then, we've seen the controversy grow about this, and there are the "believers" and the "skeptics" on both sides of this issue as well.

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Survival Forum
World at War Forum
War Protesters Forum
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A few days ago, I was contacted by one Colonel from the Air Force, who I assume is reading this message and this BBS. His message was short and to the point:

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Mr. Donaldson
I see you are either ex-Air Force or soon to retire. I'd like to discuss
this chemtrail hoax with you. Do you have a number where I can get in
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Thanks.
(Name withheld by "request"), Colonel, USAF
, Deputy Inspector General

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I quizzed him as to whether this was an official call and why he was contacting me "as an Inspector General". My assumption was rather rash, and that I had "hit the nail on the head" or something.

I have since offered to meet with the good Colonel in any public location he wishes to discuss this material, but I will not discuss it on the telephone. Why? Because I am a member of the media now. This BBS, and Anomalies Network have a duty to provide information to the public. TRUTHFUL information. Therefore I have asked that the Colonel meet me, and left it up to him. I have, as of yet, received no reply.

When someone is contacted directly by a military member asking to discuss "hoaxes" the person either has a vested interest in the material, OR they simply have a strong personal interest. Unfortunately in either case, using a rank associated with this subject tends to skew the light on the subject toward "conspiracy".

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[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door merlin693 op 06-12-2003 18:57]

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Op donderdag 4 december 2003 19:13 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

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Uit een vorig topic:

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Beste Merlin693,

Ik denk dat u een probleem heeft, met uw verstand, enzo.
Zou u misschien contact met mij willen opnemen? Dan kunnen we hier over discuseren.

MvG,

Majoor Bla
AIVD.

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Beste Merlin693,

Ik denk dat u een probleem heeft, met uw verstand, enzo.
Zou u misschien contact met mij willen opnemen? Dan kunnen we hier over discuseren.

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Op zaterdag 6 december 2003 18:54 schreef merlin693 het volgende:

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nee niet met jouw en bij deze ben ik ook uitgeluld met jouw maar zal wel contact opnemen met de Mod en vragen om een ban , ik hou niet zo van persoonlijk gerichte reacties....als dit op mijn forum was geweest had je die ban nu !

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Op zaterdag 6 december 2003 18:54 schreef merlin693 het volgende:

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nee niet met jouw en bij deze ben ik ook uitgeluld met jouw maar zal wel contact opnemen met de Mod en vragen om een ban , ik hou niet zo van persoonlijk gerichte reacties....als dit op mijn forum was geweest had je die ban nu !

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Daarom had ik ook daarboven iets neergezet dat ik een kloon zou nemen met onzin (majoor, AIVD enzo.)

Ik hoop dat je mijn excuses accepteerd. Hij was niet op jou persoonlijk gericht maar het was om duidelijk te maken dat postings op internet niets zeggen. En al helemaal niet van zogenaamde overheids mensen. Denk je nu echt dat die zo iets doen. Die doen of helemaal niets of ze doen het onopvallend. Maar niet via een forum.

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Ik wilde hiermee aangeven dat ik die Colonel posting dus complete onzin vind. Die is afkomstig van een gebruiker op dat forum.

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de directe link naar de betrefende thread heb ik ook geplaatst....een hele interesant thread IMHO

Hier zul je oook zien dat hij op een gegeven moment zich niet meer mengt in de discussie

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Op zaterdag 6 december 2003 23:42 schreef merlin693 het volgende:
excuses geacepteerd !
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als je doorleest wat ik heb geschreven dan kon je zien dat ik die Rick Donaldson ken , en dat bericht van die Colonel was een prive bericht via interne e-mail die hij kreeg Na zijn persoonlijke getuige verklaringen op anomlies BBS , waarna hij heeft besloten dit op het board te plaatsen omdat hij het een vreemde samenloop van omstandigheden vond !

de directe link naar de betrefende thread heb ik ook geplaatst....een hele interesant thread IMHO

Hier zul je oook zien dat hij op een gegeven moment zich niet meer mengt in de discussie

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Vandaag was het weer behoorlijk raak trouwens.