Alsof dat allemaal een "ver van m'n bed show" is; Europa heeft de grootte van een postzegel.quote:Op donderdag 28 december 2023 17:06 schreef koffiekoekjes het volgende:
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Nee, want het is nu ver weg in oud Sovjet staten (Voor Polen deels dan). Dat is imo wat anders dan Duitsland die ff binnen komt wandelen.
Heb juist het idee dat bepaalde Europese landen juist weer extra belangrijk gaan vinden.quote:Op vrijdag 29 december 2023 09:51 schreef Simmertje het volgende:
Het is ook een illusie om te denken dat Rusland het hier bij gaat laten. Die gaan gewoon nog steeds voor heel Oekraïne in een puppet state te laten veranderen. Zij hebben de lange adem, in het westen vinden we op een gegeven moment temptation weer belangrijker om te volgen dan deze oorlog.
Europe voert de productie op:quote:Op vrijdag 29 december 2023 10:04 schreef skysherrif het volgende:
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Heb juist het idee dat bepaalde Europese landen juist weer extra belangrijk gaan vinden.
Wachten is op Amerika en de democraten die een deal maken over de grens met mexico en dan heeft oekraine weer de lange adem.
Aan de enorme opslagplaatsen van Rusland komt ook een einde.
Belachelijk laag aantal, maar ca va.quote:France plans to increase its monthly deliveries of 155mm shells, from 1,000 per month in January 2023 to 3,000 per month in January 2024, Lecornu said.
quote:Nexter has raised production of the Caesar to six per month from two at the start of 2022, Lecornu added, and the pace will increase to eight systems per month from the start of next year.
Da's al beter.quote:Lecornu had said last month that Nexter will supply an additional six Caesar weapons to Ukraine, in addition to 18 already supplied from French Army stocks and 12 that Ukraine acquired directly from Nexter’s parent firm KNDS.
Dit is redelijk. Ik geloof dat Frankrijk een van de landen is die redelijk geheim houdt wat ze sturen maar laat me graag corrigeren in deze.quote:Meanwhile, MBDA has doubled its production of the Mistral short-range surface-to-air missile to 40 per month; Dassault Aviation has tripled production of the Rafale fighter aircraft to three per month; and Thales has doubled its radar production capacity, according to Lecornu.
Russia’s ongoing war against Ukraine has meant France must shift to a long-term war economy, Macron said at the Eurosatory defense show in June 2022, while the country needs land-based weapon systems and sufficient funding for national security.
France passed a military budget in August for the 2024-2030 period that boosts defense spending next year by 7.5%, to ¤47.2 billion (U.S. $49.6 billion).
700,000 artillery rounds door Rheinmetall geproduceerd volgend jaar.quote:The shells will be produced by Rheinmetall Expal Munitions, the Group’s newly acquired Spanish subsidiary. The current contract highlights Rheinmetall’s role as the world’s largest producer of ammunition, especially in the large calibre domain. The ammunition will be delivered in 2025. Production and delivery of around 40,000 rounds for Ukraine from an earlier order is already due to take place in 2024.
As recently as mid-October 2023, the German government placed an order with Rheinmetall for over 100,000 rounds of 155mm ammunition earmarked for Ukraine – once again from Rheinmetall Expal Munitions – as well as additional DM 121 high explosive shells. The order is worth a figure in the mid-three-digit million-euro range.
Demand for artillery ammunition is currently very high, due not just to Ukraine’s requirements but also the need to replenish the largely empty ammunition depots of Germany and other NATO and EU countries. Rheinmetall plans a massive increase in ammunition production capacity in 2024 at its plants in Germany, Spain, South Africa and Australia, bringing annual output capacity to around 700,000 artillery rounds.
Rheinmetall currently has multiyear framework contracts for supplying the German Bundeswehr with several hundred rounds of artillery ammunition worth over ¤1 billion.
https://ca.news.yahoo.com(...)50.html?guccounter=1quote:Ukraine and Sweden will jointly manufacture CV90 infantry fighting vehicles (IFV). The Ukrainian military set a goal of having 1,000 such vehicles in their arsenal
Zweden heeft tot zover ook 8 Archers geleverd. Ik geloof met het oog op meer, maar hou een slag om de arm op dat gebied.quote:The Danish government announced on Monday that the country will join Sweden’s donation of CV90 light tanks to Ukraine for a total amount of 241 million euros - the equivalent of 1.8 billion Danish crowns.
“The government, together with the Swedish government, has decided to co-finance the already ongoing donation of CV90 infantry fighting vehicles as well as the production of additional tanks,” the Danish Ministry of Defence wrote in a news release.
The donation package will include spare parts and ammunition and will include an agreement for Sweden and Denmark to take care of post-delivery maintenance.
The announcement is yet more good news coming from Copenhagen for Kyiv. Last week, the Danish government announced a new package of military aid to Ukraine worth nearly one billion euros, only a day after Nordic leaders met with Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
The donation comes at a time when Ukraine needs as much help as it can get, as further crucial aid from the US appears temporarily blocked in Congress by Republicans and a new EU aid package worth 50 billion euros was blocked by Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban last week.
Fucking Byden de boel weer vertragen...quote:"A fruitful bilateral work concerning supplying Ukraine with the Gripen aircraft is ongoing," Deputy Defence Minister Ivan Havryliuk said.
He added that there are still "certain NATO-related issues" but expressed hope that "we will manage to receive these fighter jets through joint efforts".
Bydén in his turn stated that supplying Ukraine with Gripen aircraft is being discussed both at the political and military-operational levels.
"I know that the dialogue between our countries is ongoing. So we are waiting for political decisions," the general added.
Zitten al die fabrieken niet 2000km van de grens met Ukraine en zodoende onmogelijk te bereiken met raketten of drones?quote:Op vrijdag 29 december 2023 10:09 schreef fjs het volgende:
Als er oorlog is zou je denken dat je de fabrieken die raketten, bommen en tanks enzo maken bombardeert. Nu weet ik niet of Oekraïne die mogelijkheid heeft.
Neem aan dat ze several hundred thousand rounds bedoelen? 🤔quote:Op vrijdag 29 december 2023 10:10 schreef Solstice1 het volgende:
Rheinmetall currently has multiyear framework contracts for supplying the German Bundeswehr with several hundred rounds of artillery ammunition worth over ¤1 billion.
Dat lijkt mij ook ja.quote:Op vrijdag 29 december 2023 10:21 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
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Neem aan dat ze several hundred thousand rounds bedoelen? 🤔
https://www.regjeringen.n(...)o-ukraine/id3018392/quote:NOK 335 million for additional donations of air defence equipment to protect the Ukrainians against Russian attacks.
NOK 1 billion in co-financing to strengthen the capacity of the defence industry to produce more ammunition and missiles.
https://www.reuters.com/w(...)t-norway-2023-12-13/quote:OSLO, Dec 13 (Reuters) - The five Nordic nations told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy during talks in Oslo on Wednesday that they would support his country "for as long as it takes" in its struggle to drive out Russian forces.
Zelenskiy made his surprise visit to the Norwegian capital after meeting U.S. President Joe Biden and American lawmakers in Washington on Tuesday to plead for more military aid in the face of scepticism from key U.S. Republicans.
Together, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Iceland have provided aid to Ukraine worth some 11 billion euros since Russia invaded in Feb. 2022 and are ready to continue giving extensive military, economic and humanitarian support, the five nations said in a joint statement.
"The Nordic countries will stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes... Russia must end its aggression and withdraw its forces immediately and unconditionally from the territory of Ukraine within its internationally recognised borders," it said.
Separately, Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said her government would present a new support package for Ukraine worth 1 billion euros ($1.08 billion) to parliament this week.
Four of the five Nordic nations are members of NATO, and Sweden is waiting for its application to join to be approved by all 31 member states.
Zelenskiy earlier stressed the importance of bolstering Ukraine's air defences, after Russia struck the Ukrainian capital Kyiv with ballistic missiles overnight in the second such attack so far this week.
"Today we talked, and will talk, about such specific things that can save thousands and thousands of Ukrainian lives, as well as increasing pressure on the aggressor," he told a joint news conference with Norway's Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere.
Stoere said Norway would donate 3 billion crowns ($273 million) to Ukraine, part of a package approved previously by Norway's parliament, of 75 billion crowns over five years.
"We are providing targeted, long-term support to assist Ukraine in its battle for freedom and democracy," Stoere said in a statement.
Wat ze sturen wordt ook vaak vaag gehouden, zoals toen er ineens een paar honderd tanks vermist waren uit Polen en opdoken aan het Oekraïnse front.quote:Poland’s newly appointed Prime Minister Donald Tusk has vowed to rally Western support for Ukraine as it continues to defend itself against Russia’s ongoing invasion. Addressing the Polish parliament on December 12 following his appointment, Tusk said he would “loudly and decisively demand the full mobilization of the free world, the Western world, to help Ukraine in this war.”
Dat is bovenop andere steun trouwens. Estland stuurt tot nu toe ongeveer 1.4% van hun BBP.quote:Pevkur also confirmed that Estonia is ready to provide 0.25% of its GDP for military aid to Ukraine over the next four years.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/25902quote:The UK will maintain its support for Ukraine at least at current levels in 2024, Britain’s foreign secretary has pledged.
In an interview with The Telegraph, David Cameron said Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine is one of the major threats to global security and the UK had so far provided Kyiv with £2 billion ($2.5 billion) in military aid.
Asked if he expects that level of support to continue, Cameron said yes, and he hopes for even more.
He said: “Yes, and I think we could potentially do better than that. We’re looking at what elements of spending we could also put on a multi-year basis.”
Cameron added that ensuring British defence firms increased production was essential.
“We should see the increasing of our stocks both as something that is good for the Ukrainians, and also good for us in what is a more dangerous world,” he said.
Last week Cameron said the UK will support Ukraine in its fight against the Russian invasion “for as long as it takes,” adding it was “essential” that President Vladimir Putin was defeated.
Slag om de arm hierbij is natuurlijk dat die 61 miljard aan steun voor Oekraïne er door moet om dit spul ook daadwerkelijk te kunnen exporteren.quote:Last March, Army Undersecretary Gabe Camarillo upped the target slightly, announcing plans to produce 24,000 rounds a month by year’s end.
The Army hit the target early, then exceeded it, producing 28,000 shells in October. At least some of those shells went right out the door to Ukraine, Army acquisition secretary Doug Bush told reporters in a media roundtable in November. He declined to say just how many.
Bush said the service now aims to boost its monthly production to 36,000 by March, 60,000 by September, 70,000 to 80,000 in early 2025, and 100,000 by the end of calendar 2025 — two and half times more than Wormuth’s year-old goal.
As part of this push, the Army has added shifts, bought robots, and expanded its ammunition plants, Bush said.
Frankrijk en Duitsland lagen hierbij enigszins dwars door te eisen dat de munitie in Europa geproduceerd zou worden, hierdoor lijken targets(1 miljoen shells tegen maart) niet gehaald te worden. Frankrijk is daardoor bijgedraaid, ik geloof Duitsland ook. Zie ook een eerder bericht over overzeese productie door Rheinmetall.quote:The countries of the European Union began with a head start, producing about 230,000 155mm shells a year—about one-third more than the U.S. The EU also has a better recent record for approving annual spending plans.
By February 2023, European production was at 300,000 rounds annually, according to Estonian defense officials. By November, capacity had risen again, though assessments differ. European Commissioner for the Internal Market Thierry Breton suggested that Europe could now make some 400,000 rounds annually. Estonia’s Pevkur, speaking at a November media roundtable, put the figure between 600,000 and 700,000—and said it would reach one million rounds in 2024.
In March, the EU announced it would spend 2 billion euros ($2.2 billion) to send one million 155mm shells to Ukraine within a year. The money is split between paying countries to send stockpiled shells to Ukraine and acquiring new shells from EU members and Norway under a joint procurement scheme.
But the EU will not meet its goal this year, German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius confirmed recently. In September, Estonian defense official Kusti Salm said the plan would likely be fulfilled by mid-2024.
And in the long term, Pevkur said, even more shells will be required—to backfill stocks, support NATO regional plans, and keep Ukraine in the fight.
“My estimation is that we have to produce in the next ten years around 3 million rounds in a year,” the Estonian minister said.
https://global.espreso.tv(...)shyns-year-in-reviewquote:He added that Ukraine has increased mortar round production 42 times and artillery shell production almost three times. They have also started producing 125 mm tank rounds and 73 mm caliber rounds separately. But 155 mm is still under development. This caliber will start mass production next year. "Unfortunately, in this caliber, we depend on the partners' supply of scarce gunpowder. Because Ukraine has never produced them. We hope for the support of our partners in the issue of powders and are ready to start mass production," Kamyshin said.
https://en.defence-ua.com(...)ther_plans-8760.htmlquote:At the same time, on Sunday, the Polish PAP agency informed that Krab became one of the first 155mm artilleries in service with the Ukrainian Army. This howitzer also became a nightmare for occupiers in the skillful hands of the artillerymen. Poland has already handed over 18 Krab self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine. Another 56 Krab howitzers are being prepared for delivery.
Valt toch wel mee. Snap je punt. Maar vergelijk de aantallen van een jaar geleden. Of nog langer terug met nu.quote:Op vrijdag 29 december 2023 10:30 schreef Momo het volgende:
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Russen lijken helaas nog genoeg raketten te hebben..
Hebben wij als westen een goed beeld hoeveel raketten gemaakt worden en hoeveel nog op voorraad zijn?quote:Op vrijdag 29 december 2023 11:59 schreef over_hedge het volgende:
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Valt toch wel mee. Snap je punt. Maar vergelijk de aantallen van een jaar geleden. Of nog langer terug met nu.
De aantallen zijn toch aardig af genomen
Rusland heeft haar raketten opgespaard afgelopen maanden. Om in de wintermaanden het energienet enz aan te vallen. Dusja komt niet als een verassing.quote:Op vrijdag 29 december 2023 10:30 schreef Momo het volgende:
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Russen lijken helaas nog genoeg raketten te hebben..
Er moeten eerst genoeg mensen sterven voordat de hulp komt. Zo werkt het helaas.quote:Op vrijdag 29 december 2023 10:09 schreef fjs het volgende:
Als er oorlog is zou je denken dat je de fabrieken die raketten, bommen en tanks enzo maken bombardeert. Nu weet ik niet of Oekraïne die mogelijkheid heeft. Wat ik wel weet is dat het westen met een vingertje omhoog pakketten geeft; 'Je mag niet in Rusland iets raken'. Volgens mij is dit echt waanzin. In de tweede wereld oorlog werd het Ruhrgebied enorm gebombardeerd.
Als je niets doet aan het probleem verlies je deze oorlog.
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