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Daar doelde Anders Tegnell ook op. Die geven toe dat en ook in Zweden met name daar een hoop is fout gegaan.quote:Op vrijdag 5 juni 2020 14:57 schreef trein2000 het volgende:
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Er is geblunderd met verpleeghuizen. Dat was toch al lang duidelijk? Halve huizen uitgemoord door dat klote virus.
Gelukkig kon de NOS dat lekker verdraaien als dat ze toegeven dat alles mis is gegaan, terwijl ze eens critisch naar de puinhoop hier in verpleeghuizen zouden moeten kijken.
"Het is oorlog, bedankt Vannoppen, bedankt Van der Linden. Dit is het laatste dat ik voor de Belgische ploeg gedaan heb. Ze kunnen allemaal de boom in."
Improv: Rich Tapestry of Life
Improv: Rich Tapestry of Life
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Een van de hoogst aangeschreven IC artsen ter wereld tesamen met zijn microbiologisch team onder leiding van het hoofd microbiologie en virologie van Milaan heeft dit geconstateerd.
Het is allemaal de schuld van de NOS.quote:Op vrijdag 5 juni 2020 15:22 schreef OProg het volgende:
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Daar doelde Anders Tegnell ook op. Die geven toe dat en ook in Zweden met name daar een hoop is fout gegaan.
Gelukkig kon de NOS dat lekker verdraaien als dat ze toegeven dat alles mis is gegaan, terwijl ze eens critisch naar de puinhoop hier in verpleeghuizen zouden moeten kijken.
'Cause it's easier to fly
Than to face another night
In Southern Sun
And your love is all around
Than to face another night
In Southern Sun
And your love is all around
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Het is allemaal de schuld van de NOS.
"Het is oorlog, bedankt Vannoppen, bedankt Van der Linden. Dit is het laatste dat ik voor de Belgische ploeg gedaan heb. Ze kunnen allemaal de boom in."
Improv: Rich Tapestry of Life
Improv: Rich Tapestry of Life
Dezelfde gasten die aantal maanden terug de boel daar in het honderd hebben laten lopen waardoor de Europese brandhaard ontstondquote:
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Een van de hoogst aangeschreven IC artsen ter wereld tesamen met zijn microbiologisch team onder leiding van het hoofd microbiologie en virologie van Milaan heeft dit geconstateerd.
1 zwaluw.....quote:
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Een van de hoogst aangeschreven IC artsen ter wereld tesamen met zijn microbiologisch team onder leiding van het hoofd microbiologie en virologie van Milaan heeft dit geconstateerd.
Ja inderdaad, het hoofd IC en zijn microbiologisch team heeft indertijd half Lombardije besmet.quote:
Dezelfde gasten die aantal maanden terug de boel daar in het honderd hebben laten lopen waardoor de Europese brandhaard ontstond
maar hij trekt wel een vooralsnog ongefundeerde conclusiequote:Op vrijdag 5 juni 2020 15:33 schreef Za het volgende:
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Ja inderdaad, het hoofd IC en zijn microbiologisch team heeft indertijd half Lombardije besmet.
0.03% van de bevolking in Nederland is overleden en daarvan woonde er 50% in een verpleeghuis. Omg.quote:
dit al voorbijgekomen ?
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/(...)BCDaf9p-TwkGGRZo5axA
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Had daar je beleid op gericht.
En maar doorgaan met de Lockdown, restaurants sluiten en economie op slot houden.
Echt een killer virus
. Bang gemaakt door de mainstream media. Mensen, wordt wakker.
Love is in the air!
Is de over/ondersterfte grafiek al bekend van deze week?
Kunnen we echt zien hoe ernstig het nog is. Vorige week 200 minder dan langjarig gemiddelde en de OP is nog steeds niet ge-update.
Kunnen we echt zien hoe ernstig het nog is. Vorige week 200 minder dan langjarig gemiddelde en de OP is nog steeds niet ge-update.
'Je gaat het pas zien als je het doorhebt'
'Ieder nadeel heb zijn voordeel'
We zullen je nooit, nooit vergeten
1947-2016
'Ieder nadeel heb zijn voordeel'
We zullen je nooit, nooit vergeten
1947-2016
Logisch. Het is allang voorbij. Laten we weer gaan leven.quote:
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Het is in kracht afgenomen. Mensen besmetten elkaar nauwelijks meer en de mensen die in het ziekenhuis belanden zijn op 1 hand te tellen. Veel achterstallige administratie.
Love is in the air!
Wel soms even je Jensen shirtje wassen.quote:
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0.03% van de bevolking in Nederland is overleden en daarvan woonde er 50% in een verpleeghuis. Omg.
Had daar je beleid op gericht.
En maar doorgaan met de Lockdown, restaurants sluiten en economie op slot houden.
Echt een killer virus
Mensen, wordt wakker.
Aha, je hebt zijn publicatie doorgenomen?quote:
maar hij trekt wel een vooralsnog ongefundeerde conclusie
Misschien kun dan je even in korte lijnen weergeven op welke punten het onderzoek volgens jou tekortschiet qua onderbouwing?
Net in de stad moest ik bij 3 winkels mijn handen reinigen en moest ik regelmatig wachten omdat er maar 3 mensen naar binnen mochten.
Totaal absurd. In een supermarkt loop je met veel meer mensen, zonder reiniging en wordt je toch ook niet ziek.
0.027% van de bevolking is besmet. Er zijn nog maar enkele nieuwe besmettingen...
Nee, angst. Voor het killer virus. Maximaal 3 mensen in een enorme ruimte, mondkapje op en elke keer je handen reinigen met dat vieze desinfectie spul.
Totaal absurd. In een supermarkt loop je met veel meer mensen, zonder reiniging en wordt je toch ook niet ziek.
0.027% van de bevolking is besmet. Er zijn nog maar enkele nieuwe besmettingen...
Nee, angst. Voor het killer virus. Maximaal 3 mensen in een enorme ruimte, mondkapje op en elke keer je handen reinigen met dat vieze desinfectie spul.
Love is in the air!
Wat heeft Jensen hiermee te maken?quote:Op vrijdag 5 juni 2020 15:45 schreef Smack10 het volgende:
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Wel soms even je Jensen shirtje wassen.
Kijk naar de cijfers. 10 nieuwe besmettingen. Op 17.000.000.
Love is in the air!
jij wel dan? hij heeft nog geen wetenschappelijk bewijs geleverd, dat is wat ik leesquote:
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Aha, je hebt zijn publicatie doorgenomen?
Misschien kun dan je even in korte lijnen weergeven op welke punten het onderzoek volgens jou tekortschiet qua onderbouwing en geleverde bewijzen?
Het RIVM had ook heel veel geconstateerd in februari en maart, bleek geen reet van te kloppen.quote:
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Een van de hoogst aangeschreven IC artsen ter wereld tesamen met zijn microbiologisch team onder leiding van het hoofd microbiologie en virologie van Milaan heeft dit geconstateerd.
Jaap zijn CV is ook niet mis maar het zegt dus helemaal niks.
woensdag 28 oktober 2020 15:54 schreef Kyran het volgende:[/b]
Even screenshot gemaakt van dit moment. Predator en sorry zeggen
Even screenshot gemaakt van dit moment. Predator en sorry zeggen
JUNE 1, 2020
expert reaction to comments reported in the media by Prof Alberto Zangrillo about the COVID-19 virus in Italy
There have been reports regarding the potency of COVID-19 in Italy, deriving from comments made by Prof Alberto Zangrillo.
Prof Francois Balloux, Professor of Computational Systems Biology and Director of UCL Genetics Institute, University College London (UCL), said:
“There is no evidence for the SARS-CoV-2 having become more or less virulent/transmissible. The genetic composition of the viral population has in fact not changed much since it emerged. For a look at the latest results in the scientific literature (preprint) on the evolution of its transmissibility see https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.21.108506.
“The outbreak in Italy has been waning over recent weeks despite relaxation of the social distancing measures previously in place. This is line with what has been observed in most European countries. The extent to which this is only due to residual social distancing measures in place, or whether seasonality or some other factors are playing a role remains debated. That said, we should definitely not rule out a second epidemic wave later this year.
“The lockdowns were necessary to avoid hospital being overrun. Social distancing measures are being progressively relaxed in countries where the outbreak is under control. I do not believe these comments are helpful or reflect the current scientific evidence.
“Viral load of swab tests will vary over the course of an infection. When compared on the same day post-infection, viral load can correlate with symptom severity. Though, viral dose might also be a function of the initial infectious dose (the number of virions that a patient got infected with). Transmission outdoors is likely to be characterised by lower infectious dose and less severe symptoms, than transmission indoors.
“There is no evidence the virus has lost ‘strength’ at this stage. We cannot rule out that some lineages will eventually evolve towards to lower symptom severity but this cannot be taken for granted.”
Dr Elisabetta Groppelli, Lecturer in Global Health and virologist at St George’s, University of London, said:
“The suggestion that the virus is weakening is currently not based on established evidence. For that to be the case, we would need to rule out other reasons why it may appear that people are doing better at the moment.
“In Italy, the age of confirmed cases has been steadily decreasing, and we know that disease severity tends to be less in younger groups. Cases are also being diagnosed earlier, which improves outcomes from the disease. Therefore, any evidence that the disease severity is decreasing would need to take these points into account.
“The virus genome is being monitored world-wide, including in the UK. Many universities and research centres are reading the genetic information to assess how much it changes over time and if there is a link between the viral genetic information and the severity of the disease. The consensus so far, is that although the genomes show some changes, there is no evidence for increased or decrease virus features, like transmissibility and disease severity.”
Prof Martin Hibberd, Professor of Emerging Infectious Disease, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said:
“Currently there is a world-wide effort to establish if the genetic makeup of SARS-CoV-2 is changing, allowing us to determine if there is any underlying cause of any change in COVID-19 disease. With data from more than 35,000 whole virus genomes, there is currently no evidence that there is any significant difference relating to severity. While this may change in the future, for now it seems likely that there are other reasons why the observed cases look different.
“One explanation for this change in observations might be because of a declining number of cases, where that has been achieved. We know that the virus can infect many (and perhaps the majority) of people without producing any obvious or serious symptoms, while even in those with clear symptoms, 80% have mild disease. During a major outbreak, those mild or inapparent cases are likely to be overlooked. However, in a situation where the numbers of severe cases are falling, there may be time to start observing people with less severe symptoms – giving the impression that the virus is changing.”
Prof Jonathan Ball, Professor of Molecular Virology, University of Nottingham, said:
“In the absence of data is difficult to assess the validity of these claims, and I am not aware of any other studies claiming that the virus is weakening”
Dr Oscar MacLean, of the MRC-University of Glasgow Centre for Virus Research, said:
“These claims are not supported by anything in the scientific literature, and also seem fairly implausible on genetic grounds.
“The vast majority of SARS-CoV-2 mutations are extremely rare, and so whilst some infections may be attenuated by certain mutations, they are highly unlikely to be common enough to alter the nature of the virus at a national or global level. We know that susceptibility to the virus significantly differs across age and risk groups, and so infection outcomes will also drastically differ across individuals. As testing efforts are scaled up across the globe, asymptomatic and mild infections which previously would not have been detected, are now much more likely to be identified. It’s important not to confuse this with any weakening on the virus’s part.
“Making these claims on the basis of anecdotal observations from swab tests is dangerous. Whilst weakening of the virus through mutations is theoretically possible, it is not something we should expect, and any claims of this nature would need to be verified in a more systematic way. Without significantly stronger evidence, no one should unnecessarily downplay the danger this highly virulent virus poses, and risk the ongoing society-wide response.”
All our previous output on this subject can be seen at this weblink:
www.sciencemediacentre.org/tag/covid-19
Declared interests
Prof Martin Hibberd: No conflicts of interest
None received.
https://www.sciencemediac(...)d-19-virus-in-italy/
expert reaction to comments reported in the media by Prof Alberto Zangrillo about the COVID-19 virus in Italy
There have been reports regarding the potency of COVID-19 in Italy, deriving from comments made by Prof Alberto Zangrillo.
Prof Francois Balloux, Professor of Computational Systems Biology and Director of UCL Genetics Institute, University College London (UCL), said:
“There is no evidence for the SARS-CoV-2 having become more or less virulent/transmissible. The genetic composition of the viral population has in fact not changed much since it emerged. For a look at the latest results in the scientific literature (preprint) on the evolution of its transmissibility see https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.21.108506.
“The outbreak in Italy has been waning over recent weeks despite relaxation of the social distancing measures previously in place. This is line with what has been observed in most European countries. The extent to which this is only due to residual social distancing measures in place, or whether seasonality or some other factors are playing a role remains debated. That said, we should definitely not rule out a second epidemic wave later this year.
“The lockdowns were necessary to avoid hospital being overrun. Social distancing measures are being progressively relaxed in countries where the outbreak is under control. I do not believe these comments are helpful or reflect the current scientific evidence.
“Viral load of swab tests will vary over the course of an infection. When compared on the same day post-infection, viral load can correlate with symptom severity. Though, viral dose might also be a function of the initial infectious dose (the number of virions that a patient got infected with). Transmission outdoors is likely to be characterised by lower infectious dose and less severe symptoms, than transmission indoors.
“There is no evidence the virus has lost ‘strength’ at this stage. We cannot rule out that some lineages will eventually evolve towards to lower symptom severity but this cannot be taken for granted.”
Dr Elisabetta Groppelli, Lecturer in Global Health and virologist at St George’s, University of London, said:
“The suggestion that the virus is weakening is currently not based on established evidence. For that to be the case, we would need to rule out other reasons why it may appear that people are doing better at the moment.
“In Italy, the age of confirmed cases has been steadily decreasing, and we know that disease severity tends to be less in younger groups. Cases are also being diagnosed earlier, which improves outcomes from the disease. Therefore, any evidence that the disease severity is decreasing would need to take these points into account.
“The virus genome is being monitored world-wide, including in the UK. Many universities and research centres are reading the genetic information to assess how much it changes over time and if there is a link between the viral genetic information and the severity of the disease. The consensus so far, is that although the genomes show some changes, there is no evidence for increased or decrease virus features, like transmissibility and disease severity.”
Prof Martin Hibberd, Professor of Emerging Infectious Disease, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said:
“Currently there is a world-wide effort to establish if the genetic makeup of SARS-CoV-2 is changing, allowing us to determine if there is any underlying cause of any change in COVID-19 disease. With data from more than 35,000 whole virus genomes, there is currently no evidence that there is any significant difference relating to severity. While this may change in the future, for now it seems likely that there are other reasons why the observed cases look different.
“One explanation for this change in observations might be because of a declining number of cases, where that has been achieved. We know that the virus can infect many (and perhaps the majority) of people without producing any obvious or serious symptoms, while even in those with clear symptoms, 80% have mild disease. During a major outbreak, those mild or inapparent cases are likely to be overlooked. However, in a situation where the numbers of severe cases are falling, there may be time to start observing people with less severe symptoms – giving the impression that the virus is changing.”
Prof Jonathan Ball, Professor of Molecular Virology, University of Nottingham, said:
“In the absence of data is difficult to assess the validity of these claims, and I am not aware of any other studies claiming that the virus is weakening”
Dr Oscar MacLean, of the MRC-University of Glasgow Centre for Virus Research, said:
“These claims are not supported by anything in the scientific literature, and also seem fairly implausible on genetic grounds.
“The vast majority of SARS-CoV-2 mutations are extremely rare, and so whilst some infections may be attenuated by certain mutations, they are highly unlikely to be common enough to alter the nature of the virus at a national or global level. We know that susceptibility to the virus significantly differs across age and risk groups, and so infection outcomes will also drastically differ across individuals. As testing efforts are scaled up across the globe, asymptomatic and mild infections which previously would not have been detected, are now much more likely to be identified. It’s important not to confuse this with any weakening on the virus’s part.
“Making these claims on the basis of anecdotal observations from swab tests is dangerous. Whilst weakening of the virus through mutations is theoretically possible, it is not something we should expect, and any claims of this nature would need to be verified in a more systematic way. Without significantly stronger evidence, no one should unnecessarily downplay the danger this highly virulent virus poses, and risk the ongoing society-wide response.”
All our previous output on this subject can be seen at this weblink:
www.sciencemediacentre.org/tag/covid-19
Declared interests
Prof Martin Hibberd: No conflicts of interest
None received.
https://www.sciencemediac(...)d-19-virus-in-italy/
je blijft elke dag hetzelfde herhalen....quote:
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0.03% van de bevolking in Nederland is overleden en daarvan woonde er 50% in een verpleeghuis. Omg.
Had daar je beleid op gericht.
En maar doorgaan met de Lockdown, restaurants sluiten en economie op slot houden.
Echt een killer virus
Mensen, wordt wakker.
woensdag 28 oktober 2020 15:54 schreef Kyran het volgende:[/b]
Even screenshot gemaakt van dit moment. Predator en sorry zeggen
Even screenshot gemaakt van dit moment. Predator en sorry zeggen
IC-16
al loopt "nice" nu wel heel erg achter.
Volgens Nice liggen er zo'n 50 meer, en dat vind ik heel wat op zulke kleine aantallen.
al loopt "nice" nu wel heel erg achter.
Volgens Nice liggen er zo'n 50 meer, en dat vind ik heel wat op zulke kleine aantallen.
Goede postquote:
JUNE 1, 2020
expert reaction to comments reported in the media by Prof Alberto Zangrillo about the COVID-19 virus in Italy
There have been reports regarding the potency of COVID-19 in Italy, deriving from comments made by Prof Alberto Zangrillo.
Prof Francois Balloux, Professor of Computational Systems Biology and Director of UCL Genetics Institute, University College London (UCL), said:
“There is no evidence for the SARS-CoV-2 having become more or less virulent/transmissible. The genetic composition of the viral population has in fact not changed much since it emerged. For a look at the latest results in the scientific literature (preprint) on the evolution of its transmissibility see https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.05.21.108506.
“The outbreak in Italy has been waning over recent weeks despite relaxation of the social distancing measures previously in place. This is line with what has been observed in most European countries. The extent to which this is only due to residual social distancing measures in place, or whether seasonality or some other factors are playing a role remains debated. That said, we should definitely not rule out a second epidemic wave later this year.
“The lockdowns were necessary to avoid hospital being overrun. Social distancing measures are being progressively relaxed in countries where the outbreak is under control. I do not believe these comments are helpful or reflect the current scientific evidence.
“Viral load of swab tests will vary over the course of an infection. When compared on the same day post-infection, viral load can correlate with symptom severity. Though, viral dose might also be a function of the initial infectious dose (the number of virions that a patient got infected with). Transmission outdoors is likely to be characterised by lower infectious dose and less severe symptoms, than transmission indoors.
“There is no evidence the virus has lost ‘strength’ at this stage. We cannot rule out that some lineages will eventually evolve towards to lower symptom severity but this cannot be taken for granted.”
Dr Elisabetta Groppelli, Lecturer in Global Health and virologist at St George’s, University of London, said:
“The suggestion that the virus is weakening is currently not based on established evidence. For that to be the case, we would need to rule out other reasons why it may appear that people are doing better at the moment.
“In Italy, the age of confirmed cases has been steadily decreasing, and we know that disease severity tends to be less in younger groups. Cases are also being diagnosed earlier, which improves outcomes from the disease. Therefore, any evidence that the disease severity is decreasing would need to take these points into account.
“The virus genome is being monitored world-wide, including in the UK. Many universities and research centres are reading the genetic information to assess how much it changes over time and if there is a link between the viral genetic information and the severity of the disease. The consensus so far, is that although the genomes show some changes, there is no evidence for increased or decrease virus features, like transmissibility and disease severity.”
Prof Martin Hibberd, Professor of Emerging Infectious Disease, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said:
“Currently there is a world-wide effort to establish if the genetic makeup of SARS-CoV-2 is changing, allowing us to determine if there is any underlying cause of any change in COVID-19 disease. With data from more than 35,000 whole virus genomes, there is currently no evidence that there is any significant difference relating to severity. While this may change in the future, for now it seems likely that there are other reasons why the observed cases look different.
“One explanation for this change in observations might be because of a declining number of cases, where that has been achieved. We know that the virus can infect many (and perhaps the majority) of people without producing any obvious or serious symptoms, while even in those with clear symptoms, 80% have mild disease. During a major outbreak, those mild or inapparent cases are likely to be overlooked. However, in a situation where the numbers of severe cases are falling, there may be time to start observing people with less severe symptoms – giving the impression that the virus is changing.”
Prof Jonathan Ball, Professor of Molecular Virology, University of Nottingham, said:
“In the absence of data is difficult to assess the validity of these claims, and I am not aware of any other studies claiming that the virus is weakening”
Dr Oscar MacLean, of the MRC-University of Glasgow Centre for Virus Research, said:
“These claims are not supported by anything in the scientific literature, and also seem fairly implausible on genetic grounds.
“The vast majority of SARS-CoV-2 mutations are extremely rare, and so whilst some infections may be attenuated by certain mutations, they are highly unlikely to be common enough to alter the nature of the virus at a national or global level. We know that susceptibility to the virus significantly differs across age and risk groups, and so infection outcomes will also drastically differ across individuals. As testing efforts are scaled up across the globe, asymptomatic and mild infections which previously would not have been detected, are now much more likely to be identified. It’s important not to confuse this with any weakening on the virus’s part.
“Making these claims on the basis of anecdotal observations from swab tests is dangerous. Whilst weakening of the virus through mutations is theoretically possible, it is not something we should expect, and any claims of this nature would need to be verified in a more systematic way. Without significantly stronger evidence, no one should unnecessarily downplay the danger this highly virulent virus poses, and risk the ongoing society-wide response.”
All our previous output on this subject can be seen at this weblink:
www.sciencemediacentre.org/tag/covid-19
Declared interests
Prof Martin Hibberd: No conflicts of interest
None received.
https://www.sciencemediac(...)d-19-virus-in-italy/
"In Italy, the age of confirmed cases has been steadily decreasing, and we know that disease severity tends to be less in younger groups. Cases are also being diagnosed earlier, which improves outcomes from the disease. Therefore, any evidence that the disease severity is decreasing would need to take these points into account."
Precies wat ik al een tijdje zeg. Het teruglopen van het aantal doden heeft gewoon te maken met het feit dat ouderen en zwakkere nu worden afgeschermd i.t.t. de eerste weken van de uitbraak in Europa. Maar heeft dus niets te maken met het feit dat het virus uitdooft of verzwakt.
Wat een vermoeiende user ben jij zeg...quote:
Net in de stad moest ik bij 3 winkels mijn handen reinigen en moest ik regelmatig wachten omdat er maar 3 mensen naar binnen mochten.
Totaal absurd. In een supermarkt loop je met veel meer mensen, zonder reiniging en wordt je toch ook niet ziek.
0.027% van de bevolking is besmet. Er zijn nog maar enkele nieuwe besmettingen...
Nee, angst. Voor het killer virus. Maximaal 3 mensen in een enorme ruimte, mondkapje op en elke keer je handen reinigen met dat vieze desinfectie spul.
Ik moet al jaren verplicht mijn jas afgeven bij de garderobe van het theater. Vanwege brandgevaar. Er is nog nooit brand in dat pand geweest en toch moet het. Daar kan ik me heel druk over maken, maar dat is een keuze. Ik lever hem in en klaar.
Ik snap echt niet waarom jij hier het topic al weken van smorgens vroeg tot savonds laat domineert als het virus je niets kan schelen. Ga aan het werk man, help die economie waar je je zo druk om maakt. Paniekzaaier.
Het aantal coronapatiënten dat is opgenomen op de intensive cares is sinds gisteren met 16 afgenomen tot 97
Love is in the air!
Ik snap niet dat de overheid niet wat meer maatwerk geeft. Gooi de horeca open, theaters en snel ook.
Love is in the air!
Het is allemaal wat -edit-quote:
Net in de stad moest ik bij 3 winkels mijn handen reinigen en moest ik regelmatig wachten omdat er maar 3 mensen naar binnen mochten.
Totaal absurd. In een supermarkt loop je met veel meer mensen, zonder reiniging en wordt je toch ook niet ziek.
0.027% van de bevolking is besmet. Er zijn nog maar enkele nieuwe besmettingen...
Nee, angst. Voor het killer virus. Maximaal 3 mensen in een enorme ruimte, mondkapje op en elke keer je handen reinigen met dat vieze desinfectie spul.
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Lavenderr op 05-06-2020 19:24:54 ]
