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De vaccinaties staan bij mij ook genoteerd op een stuk papier. Het punt is wel dat dit niet centraal staat geregistreerd. Maw ik moet zelf aangeven of ik bepaalde vaccinaties heb gehad. Verlies ik dat stuk papier dan is er geen bewijs.quote:Op zaterdag 23 mei 2020 01:22 schreef illusions het volgende:
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Wat is je punt nou precies met dat vaccinpaspoort? Is er wel eentje?
Je kan er iets op tegen hebben, maar dan ben je een beetje laat imho, mijn vaccinaties staan namelijk gewoon opgeschreven en dat al langer dan 30 jaar.
Nu is het zo dat ik totaal niets tegen vaccinaties heb. In tegendeel. Maar als er een verplichting aan gaat vasthangen dan heb ik daar wel een probleem mee. Ik ben nog altijd van mening dat iedereen dat zelf moet bepalen. Zeker boven de 18 jaar. Zo maak ik bijvoorbeeld zelf uit of ik jaarlijks een griepprik haal. In mijn geval haal ik die nooit.
Maar goed, zover als ik mij kan herinneren heb ik een keer een verplichte vaccinatie moeten nemen toen ik ouder dan 18 was. Dat was in mijn militaire dienstplicht. Daar kreeg je twee van die cocktails in je mik gedouwd
Het gaat dan ook niet om verplichting, maar om een uniforme registratiekaart.quote:Op zaterdag 23 mei 2020 10:53 schreef Cherni het volgende:
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De vaccinaties staan bij mij ook genoteerd op een stuk papier. Het punt is wel dat dit niet centraal staat geregistreerd. Maw ik moet zelf aangeven of ik bepaalde vaccinaties heb gehad. Verlies ik dat stuk papier dan is er geen bewijs.
Nu is het zo dat ik totaal niets tegen vaccinaties heb. In tegendeel. Maar als er een verplichting aan gaat vasthangen dan heb ik daar wel een probleem mee. Ik ben nog altijd van mening dat iedereen dat zelf moet bepalen. Zeker boven de 18 jaar. Zo maak ik bijvoorbeeld zelf uit of ik jaarlijks een griepprik haal. In mijn geval haal ik die nooit.
The endpoint of the Roadmap is, among many other things, to introduce a “common vaccination card/passport” for all EU citizens.
Tering zeg.
Weer 'n topic naar de klote.
Weer 'n topic naar de klote.
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Daarom zie je ook in landen met slechte hygiene dat daar niemand ziek wordt.quote:
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Zie deze edit nu pas. Jij denkt dat je door in de modder spelen jezelf beschermd hebt tegen polio?
Oh nee, wacht, ziektes zoals TBC zijn daar juist een groot probleem.
ROBODEMONS..................|:(
Het zou niet naar de klote zijn als men de discussie eens zou willen aangaan. Nou moet ik er wel bij zeggen dat jij vaker reageert met bronmateriaal als you know who.quote:
Weer 'n mooie stuk van Off-Guardian met grappige commentaren onder:
From Ferguson to Cuomo to Cummings, the high profile Lockdown violations show the establishment don’t believe their own hype. By Kit Knightly
https://off-guardian.org/(...)s-breaking-lockdown/
The debate today is whether Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson’s Chief Advisor, should resign, or not. Whether he broke the lockdown rules, or even the law. Whether his trip was justified or if there was some perfidiousness behind it.
Mostly, they miss the vitally important point.
The same was true when Neil Ferguson – main author of the Imperial Model, and consequently the lockdown – was found to be breaking lockdown with his married girlfriend.
The press divided between the lockdown enthusiasts defending him, or the anti-lockdowners eagerly calling him a hypocrite.
Both, again, were missing the point.
Yes, it’s satisfying to cast people down for being hypocrites. Yes, it’s easy to conduct witchhunts based on shallow issues against people whose politics we disagree with. But to take part in the free-for-all is to endorse a distraction that actually reinforces the narrative, and misses the fundamentally more important issue at the root of it.
We’re all meant to be “sheltering in place” and “protecting the NHS” and “saving lives” because there is a “deadly virus”. We’re being told this is for our own safety. Because the virus is allegedly dangerous.
When the people giving us these orders do not follow them themselves, they are not showing themselves to be “hypocrites”. They are showing themselves to be liars. They are admitting they don’t really believe what they’re saying.
The best example is actually from the other side of the pond – Chris Cuomo, CNN anchor, brother of one New York governor and son of another.
When Cuomo was meant to be “self-isolating”, after allegedly getting infected, he was spotted by a cyclist socialising on the site where his new house is being built. (Days later, Cuomo made a big deal out of emerging from his basement as if he hadn’t seen his family in two weeks).
You don’t invite your married girlfriend round to your house, then send her back to her husband and children, if you really believe there’s a dangerous virus.
You don’t drive to Durham in the middle of a “national emergency” if you really believe we could all get infected and die.
You don’t break your self-isolation early to have a barbecue with your neighbours if you truly think you have a terrible disease that could make your family sick.
If I tell you you shouldn’t eat chocolate, because it will make your head explode, then I take your chocolate off you and eat it – you wouldn’t think “You hypocrite! You fool! That could make your head explode!”, would you?
You’d be far more likely to think “Hey, he lied to me so he could steal my chocolate.”
(To fully complete the metaphor there needs to be a third person there, saying “but chocolate never made our heads explode before”, and being roundly insulted by the other two as a “Chocolate Denier”, who “just wants people’s heads to explode!”)
Whether it’s Neil Ferguson or Dom Cummings or Chris Cuomo the message is the same. They are telling us they do not really believe there is any danger.
Whether this is true Orwellian double-think or just old-fashioned dishonesty is not for us to judge (that’s between them, their consciences and maybe their therapists). The internal complexities are as unknowable as they are irrelevant.
The point is: The police, the press, the scientists, the politicians – everyone spouting the need to follow the lockdown rules is perfectly happy to break them.
Because they know what they’re really for, and it’s not to protect us from a virus.
Comment onder van Steve Hayes:
'The preferred term – lockdown – is revealing. Lockdown is what prison authorities order when the prisoners are getting rebellious. It is a tried and trusted method of regaining control. Of course, the lockdown only applies to the prisoners. The authorities naturally continue to enjoy all their rights and liberties.'
Deze 'n mooie is:
Skeptic
'I found myself in the middle of an apocalyptic landscape today… The sheer sense of horror, the smell of fear emanating from hundreds of sunbathing bodies laying all over the place in swimming suits, the laughter of children oblivious to the hand of death flying their kite, an elderly couple dancing as if life had lost all meaning, the ice cream truck announcing its deadly product with the dies irae, followed by dogs of hell ripping apart virus laden squeaky toys…I could barely speak, as my body surrendered to the horizontal position in preparation for eternity, I muttered, “look at all these mad people throwing themselves to the plague, they are barely attempting to social distance!”. I faintly heard someone behind me, she was giving the last sips to a death cold can of lager: “like this, the virus is never going away, it is death itself”. The despair, the fear, the fever, the contaminated cans we all, sinners, drank while talking about long gone pre-doomsday memories… she didn´t feel that she was part of the world anymore! she didn´t remember that she had submitted herself to infection and certain death by going to a park on a sunny, hellish, day in May! All of this could have been avoided! As I walked back home a lady on the other side of the road sneezed and, inexplicably, smiled “it must be the pollen”, I smiled back, but we both knew…
The doomsday scenario, the realisation that humanity had been defeated by a germ (and a long queue) killed my dream of having my last kebab supper. Now it is only about waiting.'
En deze ook van ZigZagWanderer :
'Living amongst the chattering classes has it’s opportunities for some fun. I told my gossipy ( retired military) neighbour that I thought the entire Covid construct was bullshit.
He did his duty and news of my dissidence spread ( like a virus ) throughout the village.
I’m now considered a dangerous Icke Nazi misinfo 5G tower burning tewwowist by most of the Tory voting happy clappers.
I really don’t give a shit . At least I’m not a hypocrite.'
From Ferguson to Cuomo to Cummings, the high profile Lockdown violations show the establishment don’t believe their own hype. By Kit Knightly
https://off-guardian.org/(...)s-breaking-lockdown/
The debate today is whether Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson’s Chief Advisor, should resign, or not. Whether he broke the lockdown rules, or even the law. Whether his trip was justified or if there was some perfidiousness behind it.
Mostly, they miss the vitally important point.
The same was true when Neil Ferguson – main author of the Imperial Model, and consequently the lockdown – was found to be breaking lockdown with his married girlfriend.
The press divided between the lockdown enthusiasts defending him, or the anti-lockdowners eagerly calling him a hypocrite.
Both, again, were missing the point.
Yes, it’s satisfying to cast people down for being hypocrites. Yes, it’s easy to conduct witchhunts based on shallow issues against people whose politics we disagree with. But to take part in the free-for-all is to endorse a distraction that actually reinforces the narrative, and misses the fundamentally more important issue at the root of it.
We’re all meant to be “sheltering in place” and “protecting the NHS” and “saving lives” because there is a “deadly virus”. We’re being told this is for our own safety. Because the virus is allegedly dangerous.
When the people giving us these orders do not follow them themselves, they are not showing themselves to be “hypocrites”. They are showing themselves to be liars. They are admitting they don’t really believe what they’re saying.
The best example is actually from the other side of the pond – Chris Cuomo, CNN anchor, brother of one New York governor and son of another.
When Cuomo was meant to be “self-isolating”, after allegedly getting infected, he was spotted by a cyclist socialising on the site where his new house is being built. (Days later, Cuomo made a big deal out of emerging from his basement as if he hadn’t seen his family in two weeks).
You don’t invite your married girlfriend round to your house, then send her back to her husband and children, if you really believe there’s a dangerous virus.
You don’t drive to Durham in the middle of a “national emergency” if you really believe we could all get infected and die.
You don’t break your self-isolation early to have a barbecue with your neighbours if you truly think you have a terrible disease that could make your family sick.
If I tell you you shouldn’t eat chocolate, because it will make your head explode, then I take your chocolate off you and eat it – you wouldn’t think “You hypocrite! You fool! That could make your head explode!”, would you?
You’d be far more likely to think “Hey, he lied to me so he could steal my chocolate.”
(To fully complete the metaphor there needs to be a third person there, saying “but chocolate never made our heads explode before”, and being roundly insulted by the other two as a “Chocolate Denier”, who “just wants people’s heads to explode!”)
Whether it’s Neil Ferguson or Dom Cummings or Chris Cuomo the message is the same. They are telling us they do not really believe there is any danger.
Whether this is true Orwellian double-think or just old-fashioned dishonesty is not for us to judge (that’s between them, their consciences and maybe their therapists). The internal complexities are as unknowable as they are irrelevant.
The point is: The police, the press, the scientists, the politicians – everyone spouting the need to follow the lockdown rules is perfectly happy to break them.
Because they know what they’re really for, and it’s not to protect us from a virus.
Comment onder van Steve Hayes:
'The preferred term – lockdown – is revealing. Lockdown is what prison authorities order when the prisoners are getting rebellious. It is a tried and trusted method of regaining control. Of course, the lockdown only applies to the prisoners. The authorities naturally continue to enjoy all their rights and liberties.'
Deze 'n mooie is: Skeptic
'I found myself in the middle of an apocalyptic landscape today… The sheer sense of horror, the smell of fear emanating from hundreds of sunbathing bodies laying all over the place in swimming suits, the laughter of children oblivious to the hand of death flying their kite, an elderly couple dancing as if life had lost all meaning, the ice cream truck announcing its deadly product with the dies irae, followed by dogs of hell ripping apart virus laden squeaky toys…I could barely speak, as my body surrendered to the horizontal position in preparation for eternity, I muttered, “look at all these mad people throwing themselves to the plague, they are barely attempting to social distance!”. I faintly heard someone behind me, she was giving the last sips to a death cold can of lager: “like this, the virus is never going away, it is death itself”. The despair, the fear, the fever, the contaminated cans we all, sinners, drank while talking about long gone pre-doomsday memories… she didn´t feel that she was part of the world anymore! she didn´t remember that she had submitted herself to infection and certain death by going to a park on a sunny, hellish, day in May! All of this could have been avoided! As I walked back home a lady on the other side of the road sneezed and, inexplicably, smiled “it must be the pollen”, I smiled back, but we both knew…
The doomsday scenario, the realisation that humanity had been defeated by a germ (and a long queue) killed my dream of having my last kebab supper. Now it is only about waiting.'
En deze ook van ZigZagWanderer :
'Living amongst the chattering classes has it’s opportunities for some fun. I told my gossipy ( retired military) neighbour that I thought the entire Covid construct was bullshit.
He did his duty and news of my dissidence spread ( like a virus ) throughout the village.
I’m now considered a dangerous Icke Nazi misinfo 5G tower burning tewwowist by most of the Tory voting happy clappers.
I really don’t give a shit . At least I’m not a hypocrite.'
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Haha, wat een kansloos stuk. Hij draagt zeker ook zwarte makeup en verkondigt dat metallica beter is dan Justin Bieber. Maar diep van binnen is hij vooral boos op papa omdat hij geen tatoeage mag voor z'n 16e.
Conscience do cost.
kleine correctie!quote:
En deze ook van Elmer Fudd
'Living amongst the chattering classes has it’s opportunities for some fun. I told my gossipy ( retired military) neighbour that I thought the entire Covid construct was bullshit.
He did his duty and news of my dissidence spread ( like a virus ) throughout the village.
I’m now considered a dangerous Icke Nazi misinfo 5G tower burning tewwowist by most of the Tory voting happy clappers.
I really don’t give a shit . At least I’m not a hypocrite.'
En wie je ook bent de regels gelden voor iedereen dus als er een boete voor is dan gewoon beboeten!
Er staat nog een vraag voor u open!!
Whooosh! Over your head!quote:
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kleine correctie!
En wie je ook bent de regels gelden voor iedereen dus als er een boete voor is dan gewoon beboeten!
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Maar als er maar een paar gaan vaccineren heeft het hele plan geen zin. Ik snap echt niet waarom mensen hier niet over nadenken. Net als verzekeringen. Als er maar 2 mensen zich gaan verzekeren, dan heeft dat stelsel ook totaal geen zin. Er is een hele goede reden dat vaccineren verplicht is en zou absoluut geen kwestie van 'dat mag iedereen voor zichzelf weten' moeten zijn, want het laat juist zien dat we die verantwoordelijkheid niet in iedereens handen kunnen leggen nu er zo'n grote groep misinformatie verspreidt tegen vaccineren.quote:
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De vaccinaties staan bij mij ook genoteerd op een stuk papier. Het punt is wel dat dit niet centraal staat geregistreerd. Maw ik moet zelf aangeven of ik bepaalde vaccinaties heb gehad. Verlies ik dat stuk papier dan is er geen bewijs.
Nu is het zo dat ik totaal niets tegen vaccinaties heb. In tegendeel. Maar als er een verplichting aan gaat vasthangen dan heb ik daar wel een probleem mee. Ik ben nog altijd van mening dat iedereen dat zelf moet bepalen. Zeker boven de 18 jaar. Zo maak ik bijvoorbeeld zelf uit of ik jaarlijks een griepprik haal. In mijn geval haal ik die nooit.
Maar goed, zover als ik mij kan herinneren heb ik een keer een verplichte vaccinatie moeten nemen toen ik ouder dan 18 was. Dat was in mijn militaire dienstplicht. Daar kreeg je twee van die cocktails in je mik gedouwd
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
Ik kijk er niet naar. Ik bepaal zelf wat ik doe met mijn lichaam. En nee ik ben niet tegen vaccineren. Maar niemand moet mij verplichten om een vaccinatie te nemen. Zeker al niet als niet eens goed getest is en de bijwerkingen niet bekend zijn.quote:
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Maar als er maar een paar gaan vaccineren heeft het hele plan geen zin. Ik snap echt niet waarom mensen hier niet over nadenken. Net als verzekeringen. Als er maar 2 mensen zich gaan verzekeren, dan heeft dat stelsel ook totaal geen zin. Er is een hele goede reden dat vaccineren verplicht is en zou absoluut geen kwestie van 'dat mag iedereen voor zichzelf weten' moeten zijn, want het laat juist zien dat we die verantwoordelijkheid niet in iedereens handen kunnen leggen nu er zo'n grote groep misinformatie verspreidt tegen vaccineren.
Gelukkig was die vaccinatie mbt de Mexicaanse griep niet verplicht.
Zelfs de NOS erkent de bijwerkingen en schadevergoedingen alvorens men komt aanzetten dat het een waardeloze bron is heb je hier de betrouwbare bron de NOS. Het is dus geen nonsens dat er bijwerkingen bekend waren. Overigens zijn er meerdere bronnen.
https://nos.nl/l/2251232
Bovendien waar gaat het je nu precies om? Je vergelijkt het met een verzekering. Wil je daarmee zeggen dat het je alleen om de kosten gaat? Als dat de reden is dan is het al helemaal bizar. Er zijn mogelijk mensen met een bepaalde allergie die mogelijk niet tegen een vaccin kunnen. Dat is al een reden om het niet te verplichten. Althans als de bijwerkingen niet bekend zijn dan wacht ik wel dat de eerste groep is geweest als je het niet erg vind.
De DKTP prik is uitvoerig getest en die zou ik dus wel nemen. De kans op bijverschijnselen is ontzettend klein. Ik kan de link niet meer snel terug vinden, maar de DKTP is geen onzin. In het algemeen zijn dus vaccinaties totaal onschadelijk. Onderstaand 2 links die dat aantonen.
https://www.thuisvaccinat(...)erkingen-vaccinaties
https://rijksvaccinatieprogramma.nl/postvaccinale-verschijnselen
Maar het vaccin tegen Covid-19, mocht dat binnen een jaar op de markt komen ga ik twijfelen. Dan kijk ik de kat wel uit de boom. Normaliter hoor je deskundigen praten over 3 jaar en dan mag je nog van geluk spreken. Ondertussen heb je mogelijk al Covid-20. De geschiedenis heeft inmiddels wel aangetoond wat de effecten zijn als geneesmiddelen of vaccins door paniek te snel worden ingezet door niet uitvoerig te testen. Softenon, ik was het bijna vergeten.
https://www.parool.nl/col(...)ens-kosten~bdaf3f98/
[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door Cherni op 27-05-2020 23:25:31 ]
Ja er zijn bijeffecten en nee het gaat niet om de kosten. Vaccinatie niet verplichten gaat de werking tegen van diezelfde vaccinatie. Het is echt geen raketleer.quote:
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Ik kijk er niet naar. Ik bepaal zelf wat ik doe met mijn lichaam. En nee ik ben niet tegen vaccineren. Maar niemand moet mij verplichten om een vaccinatie te nemen. Zeker al niet als niet eens goed getest is en de bijwerkingen niet bekend zijn.
Gelukkig was die vaccinatie mbt de Mexicaanse griep niet verplicht.
Zelfs de NOS erkent de bijwerkingen en schadevergoedingen alvorens men komt aanzetten dat het een waardeloze bron is heb je hier de betrouwbare bron de NOS. Het is dus geen nonsens dat er bijwerkingen bekend waren. Overigens zijn er meerdere bronnen.
https://nos.nl/l/2251232
Bovendien waar gaat het je nu precies om? Je vergelijkt het met een verzekering. Wil je daarmee zeggen dat het je alleen om de kosten gaat? Als dat de reden is dan is het al helemaal bizar. Er zijn mogelijk mensen met een bepaalde allergie die mogelijk niet tegen een vaccin kunnen. Dat is al een reden om het niet te verplichten. Althans als de bijwerkingen niet bekend zijn dan wacht ik wel dat de eerste groep is geweest als je het niet erg vind.
De DKTP prik is uitvoerig getest en die zou ik dus wel nemen. De kans op bijverschijnselen is ontzettend klein. Ik kan de link niet meer snel terug vinden, maar de DKTP is geen onzin. In het algemeen zijn dus vaccinaties totaal onschadelijk. Onderstaand 2 links die dat aantonen.
https://www.thuisvaccinat(...)erkingen-vaccinaties
https://rijksvaccinatieprogramma.nl/postvaccinale-verschijnselen
Maar het vaccin tegen Covid-19, mocht dat binnen een jaar op de markt komen ga ik twijfelen. Dan kijk ik de kat wel uit de boom. Normaliter hoor je deskundigen praten over 3 jaar en dan mag je nog van geluk spreken. Ondertussen heb je mogelijk al Covid-20. De geschiedenis heeft inmiddels wel aangetoond wat de effecten zijn als geneesmiddelen of vaccins door paniek te snel worden ingezet door niet uitvoerig te testen. Softenon, ik was het bijna vergeten.
https://www.parool.nl/col(...)ens-kosten~bdaf3f98/
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
Waarschijnlijk wordt het helemaal niet verplicht, en wordt ook niet iedereen aangeraden om het te nemen.quote:
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Ja er zijn bijeffecten en nee het gaat niet om de kosten. Vaccinatie niet verplichten gaat de werking tegen van diezelfde vaccinatie. Het is echt geen raketleer.
Dat zal vast, maar het ging om de zin 'niemand verplicht mij om een vaccinatie te nemen'. Mensen die roepen dat vaccineren een keuze zou moeten zijn, begrijpen vaak niet waarom we het allemaal moeten doen, ongeacht wat straks aanbevolen wordt tijdens een corona-prik.quote:
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Waarschijnlijk wordt het helemaal niet verplicht, en wordt ook niet iedereen aangeraden om het te nemen.
Nu begrijp ik ook dat een verkorte testfase tot problemen kan leiden, maar andere vaccinaties doen hun ding juist doordat het verplicht is. De weg naar een verplichte corona-prik is nog lang en voordat het betrouwbare cijfers oplevert begrijp ik het verzet er tegen.
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
Volgens mij zijn er toch helemaal geen verplichte vaccinaties?quote:
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Dat zal vast, maar het ging om de zin 'niemand verplicht mij om een vaccinatie te nemen'. Mensen die roepen dat vaccineren een keuze zou moeten zijn, begrijpen vaak niet waarom we het allemaal moeten doen, ongeacht wat straks aanbevolen wordt tijdens een corona-prik.
Nu begrijp ik ook dat een verkorte testfase tot problemen kan leiden, maar andere vaccinaties doen hun ding juist doordat het verplicht is. De weg naar een verplichte corona-prik is nog lang en voordat het betrouwbare cijfers oplevert begrijp ik het verzet er tegen.
Nog niet, maar eigenlijk gevoelsmatig wel. Er niet aan mee willen doen kan uitsluiting opleveren van opvang, maar straks ook scholen. Er waren altijd wel mensne die er niet aan wilde beginnen, maar die groep was verwaarloosbaar klein. Nu de groep groeit zullen er toch zetten moeten worden gemaakt richting een soort van verplichting. Het vervelende is dat deze groep ook nog eens hard zijn best doet om anderen te weerhouden van vaccinaties met misinformatie.quote:
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Volgens mij zijn er toch helemaal geen verplichte vaccinaties?
Het antwoord op de belangrijkste vraag van alle vragen? 42!
Weer 'n mooie post van Willem ( NL medische professioneel)
https://off-guardian.org/(...)out-mail-in-ballots/
Willem
'Guess who won 3 grants to do Covid19 research at our department.
Is it the one who risked his life and saw these patients every day like a Dr Rieux from Camus novel the plague? – No
Is it the one who did all the counting then so that Dr Rieux had an idea of what to do with his patients? – No
Is it the one who wrote that from the real data from health inspectorates no other conclusion can be drawn that Covid19 is no more serious than seasonal flu? – No
Is it the one who despite all the measures and instilled fear gave the good example and still went to work everyday to show that there is nothing to fear? – No
Then who is it? – It is Y, that is one of my bosses who self-isolated from day 1 and continues to self-isolate and wrote down all her fears in 3 proposals, showing that we are dealing with the plague.
Now the ‘funny’ thing is that Y is a professor in Risk assessment. And given her expertise, I am quite astonished that she sees risk in an environment (amongst others in the hospital where I work) where I have counted less than a dozen Covid19 cases that needed to be admitted at the ICU (and no new admissions in the last month). And mind you, according to the health inspectorate my hospital is in the middle of Covid-country! That university hospital is btw the same hospital that, due to the Covid threat, cancelled all elective procedures, closed outpatient clinics, sent students home, cleaned up a whole floor of the building so that cases with Covid19 could be entered there and even asked the military for help! Of course that was the norm. And if you ask experts in risk it apparently still is (since they get funding to do research in this bullshit).
The not so funny thing is that Y is no hypocrite. She truly believes in the threat, one of the reasons why she is still self-isolating. She’s lost her mind, but nobody notices since they all lost their mind. Also applies to Syria, the refugee ‘crisis’, the Balkan wars, Iraq, Russiagate, and the idea that an individual who is an expert in something truly is an exceptional person.
Now an interesting part of this, is how the money (that needs to be spent on PhD students) is going to be spent? PhD students need to be instructed, but with social distancing that will be quite difficult. Of course yours truly may do that, as he still goes to work (and feels sorry for the PhD students who need instruction). And even if would not feel sorry, it is hard to say no to a boss like Y, who asked me to prepare for this new job. And which makes Y a lousy boss, because why is she willing that I will be ‘at risk’ (according to her definitions), while she continues to self-isolate?
Anyway, I solved one problem in how I could take my bosses still seriously, while I can’t take them seriously. And that is, I don’t take them serious anymore. That probably will hurt their pride, since they are never talked to ‘non-serious’ by their underlings. So be it. It might mean that they will social distance themselves from me. I couldn’t care less. I don’t need them. I am fine with the idea that they will leave me alone, but I will not give them the easy way out. They have to retreat from me, and not the other way around. For me it is impossible to take a scientist serious who believes that Covid19 is the plague while at the same time more people die from flu, and the average age of death in those who die with Covid19 is as old as the average life-expectancy. It’s fine if they know how I think about their ‘risk assessment’. It is a rational argument and rationality, as experts in science learn their students, is where science begins. So I stick to science and there is nothing that they can bring against that.
I said that Y is no hypocrite, still she has this problem that she wants to side with winners (those who get grants) as that is all that needs to be counted. I wonder what will happen if (and that moment is at hand) it finally dawns on the population at large that Covid19 is nothing more than seasonal flu and the politicians have to back-down on the lockdown project. Where will Y be then?… – I think I know… She will be in the same camp then as all those others who believe that we have always been at war with Eurasia.
C/In order to become and continue to be an expert, you need to be spineless creature or a wind vane that will blow in any direction that the political wind blows.'
https://off-guardian.org/(...)out-mail-in-ballots/
Willem
'Guess who won 3 grants to do Covid19 research at our department.
Is it the one who risked his life and saw these patients every day like a Dr Rieux from Camus novel the plague? – No
Is it the one who did all the counting then so that Dr Rieux had an idea of what to do with his patients? – No
Is it the one who wrote that from the real data from health inspectorates no other conclusion can be drawn that Covid19 is no more serious than seasonal flu? – No
Is it the one who despite all the measures and instilled fear gave the good example and still went to work everyday to show that there is nothing to fear? – No
Then who is it? – It is Y, that is one of my bosses who self-isolated from day 1 and continues to self-isolate and wrote down all her fears in 3 proposals, showing that we are dealing with the plague.
Now the ‘funny’ thing is that Y is a professor in Risk assessment. And given her expertise, I am quite astonished that she sees risk in an environment (amongst others in the hospital where I work) where I have counted less than a dozen Covid19 cases that needed to be admitted at the ICU (and no new admissions in the last month). And mind you, according to the health inspectorate my hospital is in the middle of Covid-country! That university hospital is btw the same hospital that, due to the Covid threat, cancelled all elective procedures, closed outpatient clinics, sent students home, cleaned up a whole floor of the building so that cases with Covid19 could be entered there and even asked the military for help! Of course that was the norm. And if you ask experts in risk it apparently still is (since they get funding to do research in this bullshit).
The not so funny thing is that Y is no hypocrite. She truly believes in the threat, one of the reasons why she is still self-isolating. She’s lost her mind, but nobody notices since they all lost their mind. Also applies to Syria, the refugee ‘crisis’, the Balkan wars, Iraq, Russiagate, and the idea that an individual who is an expert in something truly is an exceptional person.
Now an interesting part of this, is how the money (that needs to be spent on PhD students) is going to be spent? PhD students need to be instructed, but with social distancing that will be quite difficult. Of course yours truly may do that, as he still goes to work (and feels sorry for the PhD students who need instruction). And even if would not feel sorry, it is hard to say no to a boss like Y, who asked me to prepare for this new job. And which makes Y a lousy boss, because why is she willing that I will be ‘at risk’ (according to her definitions), while she continues to self-isolate?
Anyway, I solved one problem in how I could take my bosses still seriously, while I can’t take them seriously. And that is, I don’t take them serious anymore. That probably will hurt their pride, since they are never talked to ‘non-serious’ by their underlings. So be it. It might mean that they will social distance themselves from me. I couldn’t care less. I don’t need them. I am fine with the idea that they will leave me alone, but I will not give them the easy way out. They have to retreat from me, and not the other way around. For me it is impossible to take a scientist serious who believes that Covid19 is the plague while at the same time more people die from flu, and the average age of death in those who die with Covid19 is as old as the average life-expectancy. It’s fine if they know how I think about their ‘risk assessment’. It is a rational argument and rationality, as experts in science learn their students, is where science begins. So I stick to science and there is nothing that they can bring against that.
I said that Y is no hypocrite, still she has this problem that she wants to side with winners (those who get grants) as that is all that needs to be counted. I wonder what will happen if (and that moment is at hand) it finally dawns on the population at large that Covid19 is nothing more than seasonal flu and the politicians have to back-down on the lockdown project. Where will Y be then?… – I think I know… She will be in the same camp then as all those others who believe that we have always been at war with Eurasia.
C/In order to become and continue to be an expert, you need to be spineless creature or a wind vane that will blow in any direction that the political wind blows.'
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Goeie verstandige kerel zo te lezen. Is niet onder de indruk van zijn (gespeelde) bange poeperd baasjesquote:
Weer 'n mooie post van Willem ( NL medische professioneel)
https://off-guardian.org/(...)out-mail-in-ballots/
Willem
'Guess who won 3 grants to do Covid19 research at our department.
Is it the one who risked his life and saw these patients every day like a Dr Rieux from Camus novel the plague? – No
Is it the one who did all the counting then so that Dr Rieux had an idea of what to do with his patients? – No
Is it the one who wrote that from the real data from health inspectorates no other conclusion can be drawn that Covid19 is no more serious than seasonal flu? – No
Is it the one who despite all the measures and instilled fear gave the good example and still went to work everyday to show that there is nothing to fear? – No
Then who is it? – It is Y, that is one of my bosses who self-isolated from day 1 and continues to self-isolate and wrote down all her fears in 3 proposals, showing that we are dealing with the plague.
Now the ‘funny’ thing is that Y is a professor in Risk assessment. And given her expertise, I am quite astonished that she sees risk in an environment (amongst others in the hospital where I work) where I have counted less than a dozen Covid19 cases that needed to be admitted at the ICU (and no new admissions in the last month). And mind you, according to the health inspectorate my hospital is in the middle of Covid-country! That university hospital is btw the same hospital that, due to the Covid threat, cancelled all elective procedures, closed outpatient clinics, sent students home, cleaned up a whole floor of the building so that cases with Covid19 could be entered there and even asked the military for help! Of course that was the norm. And if you ask experts in risk it apparently still is (since they get funding to do research in this bullshit).
The not so funny thing is that Y is no hypocrite. She truly believes in the threat, one of the reasons why she is still self-isolating. She’s lost her mind, but nobody notices since they all lost their mind. Also applies to Syria, the refugee ‘crisis’, the Balkan wars, Iraq, Russiagate, and the idea that an individual who is an expert in something truly is an exceptional person.
Now an interesting part of this, is how the money (that needs to be spent on PhD students) is going to be spent? PhD students need to be instructed, but with social distancing that will be quite difficult. Of course yours truly may do that, as he still goes to work (and feels sorry for the PhD students who need instruction). And even if would not feel sorry, it is hard to say no to a boss like Y, who asked me to prepare for this new job. And which makes Y a lousy boss, because why is she willing that I will be ‘at risk’ (according to her definitions), while she continues to self-isolate?
Anyway, I solved one problem in how I could take my bosses still seriously, while I can’t take them seriously. And that is, I don’t take them serious anymore. That probably will hurt their pride, since they are never talked to ‘non-serious’ by their underlings. So be it. It might mean that they will social distance themselves from me. I couldn’t care less. I don’t need them. I am fine with the idea that they will leave me alone, but I will not give them the easy way out. They have to retreat from me, and not the other way around. For me it is impossible to take a scientist serious who believes that Covid19 is the plague while at the same time more people die from flu, and the average age of death in those who die with Covid19 is as old as the average life-expectancy. It’s fine if they know how I think about their ‘risk assessment’. It is a rational argument and rationality, as experts in science learn their students, is where science begins. So I stick to science and there is nothing that they can bring against that.
I said that Y is no hypocrite, still she has this problem that she wants to side with winners (those who get grants) as that is all that needs to be counted. I wonder what will happen if (and that moment is at hand) it finally dawns on the population at large that Covid19 is nothing more than seasonal flu and the politicians have to back-down on the lockdown project. Where will Y be then?… – I think I know… She will be in the same camp then as all those others who believe that we have always been at war with Eurasia.
C/In order to become and continue to be an expert, you need to be spineless creature or a wind vane that will blow in any direction that the political wind blows.'
Thx Tingo
Volgens mij zijn er veel meer medische personeel e.a. die hun twijfels over de Corona circus gedoe hebben.quote:
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Goeie verstandige kerel zo te lezen. Is niet onder de indruk van zijn (gespeelde) bange poeperd baasjes
Thx Tingo
You're welcome!
In the new 'reality' we will be living in,nothing will be real and everything will be true-David A.McGowan
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Why do some people not credit the origin of the quotes they use under their posts?- Tingo
Tegen de massa media kan je geen roeptoeter wedstrijd winnen.quote:
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Goeie verstandige kerel zo te lezen. Is niet onder de indruk van zijn (gespeelde) bange poeperd baasjes
Thx Tingo
Tot nu toe wordt alle kritiek netjes in de hoek geschoven.
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