Onbetrouwbare maar Nederlandstalige bron:quote:For the past year, US, British and other western forces have been back in Iraq, supposedly in the cause of destroying the hyper-sectarian terror group Islamic State (formerly known as al-Qaida in Iraq). This was after Isis overran huge chunks of Iraqi and Syrian territory and proclaimed a self-styled Islamic caliphate.
The campaign isn't going well. Last month, Isis rolled into the Iraqi city of Ramadi, while on the other side of the now nonexistent border its forces conquered the Syrian town of Palmyra. Al-Qaida's official franchise, the Nusra Front, has also been making gains in Syria.
Some Iraqis complain that the US sat on its hands while all this was going on. The Americans insist they are trying to avoid civilian casualties, and claim significant successes. Privately, officials say they don't want to be seen hammering Sunni strongholds in a sectarian war and risk upsetting their Sunni allies in the Gulf.
A revealing light on how we got here has now been shone by a recently declassified secret US intelligence report, written in August 2012, which uncannily predicts - and effectively welcomes - the prospect of a "Salafist principality" in eastern Syria and an al-Qaida-controlled Islamic state in Syria and Iraq. In stark contrast to western claims at the time, the Defense Intelligence Agency document identifies al-Qaida in Iraq (which became Isis) and fellow Salafists as the "major forces driving the insurgency in Syria" - and states that "western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey" were supporting the opposition's efforts to take control of eastern Syria.
Raising the "possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality", the Pentagon report goes on, "this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran)".
American forces bomb one set of rebels while backing another in Syria
Which is pretty well exactly what happened two years later. The report isn't a policy document. It's heavily redacted and there are ambiguities in the language. But the implications are clear enough. A year into the Syrian rebellion, the US and its allies weren't only supporting and arming an opposition they knew to be dominated by extreme sectarian groups; they were prepared to countenance the creation of some sort of "Islamic state" - despite the "grave danger" to Iraq's unity - as a Sunni buffer to weaken Syria.
That doesn't mean the US created Isis, of course, though some of its Gulf allies certainly played a role in it - as the US vice-president, Joe Biden, acknowledged last year. But there was no al-Qaida in Iraq until the US and Britain invaded. And the US has certainly exploited the existence of Isis against other forces in the region as part of a wider drive to maintain western control.
The calculus changed when Isis started beheading westerners and posting atrocities online, and the Gulf states are now backing other groups in the Syrian war, such as the Nusra Front. But this US and western habit of playing with jihadi groups, which then come back to bite them, goes back at least to the 1980s war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, which fostered the original al-Qaida under CIA tutelage.
It was recalibrated during the occupation of Iraq, when US forces led by General Petraeus sponsored an El Salvador-style dirty war of sectarian death squads to weaken the Iraqi resistance. And it was reprised in 2011 in the Nato-orchestrated war in Libya, where Isis last week took control of Gaddafi's home town of Sirte.
In reality, US and western policy in the conflagration that is now the Middle East is in the classic mould of imperial divide-and-rule. American forces bomb one set of rebels while backing another in Syria, and mount what are effectively joint military operations with Iran against Isis in Iraq while supporting Saudi Arabia's military campaign against Iranian-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. However confused US policy may often be, a weak, partitioned Iraq and Syria fit such an approach perfectly.
What's clear is that Isis and its monstrosities won't be defeated by the same powers that brought it to Iraq and Syria in the first place, or whose open and covert war-making has fostered it in the years since. Endless western military interventions in the Middle East have brought only destruction and division. It's the people of the region who can cure this disease - not those who incubated the virus.
https://www.theguardian.c(...)3/us-isis-syria-iraq
SPOILEROm spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.Gezien Rutte-I/II de Al-Qaeda van Syrië (Al-Nusra) van Toyota's voorzag, lijkt het me niet zo een gek idee om eens uit te zoeken wie de Toyota's van IS heeft verzorgd.
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quote:The below screenshot shows that extreme Muslim terrorists – salafists, Muslims Brotherhood, and AQI (i.e. Al Qaeda in Iraq) – have always been the “major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.”
This verifies what the alternative media has been saying for years: there aren’t any moderate rebels in Syria.
The document goes on to state: … there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist Principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime …
This shows how the powers that were supporting the Syrian opposition–the Western military alliance and their allies in the middle east–wanted an Islamic caliphate in order to challenge Syrian president Assad.
quote:US troops ‘saved’ Daesh terrorists, leaders from Taliban siege in east Afghanistan
Sat Jun 22, 2019
US troops in Afghanistan have rushed to help members of the Daesh group following a Taliban operation to purge the terrorists from the country’s east, according to Taliban militants.
The Taliban militant group said in a statement on Friday that US soldiers “saved” Daesh members as well as their local leaders by helicopters from a siege they had been trapped in the eastern Afghan province of Kunar.
“The US troops saved them from the siege by helicopters,” the statement said, adding that the Taliban had been launching an anti-Daesh operation for one week in Kunar and had surrounded the terrorist outfit’s important individuals.
A large number of Daesh terrorists were rescued by choppers while fleeing a battlefield with Taliban last year in the northern province of Jawzjan.
The Economic Times estimated in a recent report that around 10,000 members of the Takfiri terrorist group were present in Afghanistan and the number was growing on Washington’s watch.
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https://www.presstv.com/D(...)sh-Taliban-operation
Waarom is het dan nog niet verplaatst?quote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 19:41 schreef Vanillekwark het volgende:
Kijkend naar de bronnen is dit meer eentje voor BNW
Omdat ik moderator van KLB ben, en niet van NWS of BNWquote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 19:54 schreef Fir3fly het volgende:
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Waarom is het dan nog niet verplaatst?
quote:For the past year, US, British and other western forces have been back in Iraq, supposedly in the cause of destroying the hyper-sectarian terror group Islamic State (formerly known as al-Qaida in Iraq). This was after Isis overran huge chunks of Iraqi and Syrian territory and proclaimed a self-styled Islamic caliphate.
The campaign isn't going well. Last month, Isis rolled into the Iraqi city of Ramadi, while on the other side of the now nonexistent border its forces conquered the Syrian town of Palmyra. Al-Qaida's official franchise, the Nusra Front, has also been making gains in Syria.
Some Iraqis complain that the US sat on its hands while all this was going on. The Americans insist they are trying to avoid civilian casualties, and claim significant successes. Privately, officials say they don't want to be seen hammering Sunni strongholds in a sectarian war and risk upsetting their Sunni allies in the Gulf.
A revealing light on how we got here has now been shone by a recently declassified secret US intelligence report, written in August 2012, which uncannily predicts - and effectively welcomes - the prospect of a "Salafist principality" in eastern Syria and an al-Qaida-controlled Islamic state in Syria and Iraq. In stark contrast to western claims at the time, the Defense Intelligence Agency document identifies al-Qaida in Iraq (which became Isis) and fellow Salafists as the "major forces driving the insurgency in Syria" - and states that "western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey" were supporting the opposition's efforts to take control of eastern Syria.
Raising the "possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality", the Pentagon report goes on, "this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran)".
American forces bomb one set of rebels while backing another in Syria
Which is pretty well exactly what happened two years later. The report isn't a policy document. It's heavily redacted and there are ambiguities in the language. But the implications are clear enough. A year into the Syrian rebellion, the US and its allies weren't only supporting and arming an opposition they knew to be dominated by extreme sectarian groups; they were prepared to countenance the creation of some sort of "Islamic state" - despite the "grave danger" to Iraq's unity - as a Sunni buffer to weaken Syria.
That doesn't mean the US created Isis, of course, though some of its Gulf allies certainly played a role in it - as the US vice-president, Joe Biden, acknowledged last year. But there was no al-Qaida in Iraq until the US and Britain invaded. And the US has certainly exploited the existence of Isis against other forces in the region as part of a wider drive to maintain western control.
The calculus changed when Isis started beheading westerners and posting atrocities online, and the Gulf states are now backing other groups in the Syrian war, such as the Nusra Front. But this US and western habit of playing with jihadi groups, which then come back to bite them, goes back at least to the 1980s war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, which fostered the original al-Qaida under CIA tutelage.
It was recalibrated during the occupation of Iraq, when US forces led by General Petraeus sponsored an El Salvador-style dirty war of sectarian death squads to weaken the Iraqi resistance. And it was reprised in 2011 in the Nato-orchestrated war in Libya, where Isis last week took control of Gaddafi's home town of Sirte.
In reality, US and western policy in the conflagration that is now the Middle East is in the classic mould of imperial divide-and-rule. American forces bomb one set of rebels while backing another in Syria, and mount what are effectively joint military operations with Iran against Isis in Iraq while supporting Saudi Arabia's military campaign against Iranian-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. However confused US policy may often be, a weak, partitioned Iraq and Syria fit such an approach perfectly.
What's clear is that Isis and its monstrosities won't be defeated by the same powers that brought it to Iraq and Syria in the first place, or whose open and covert war-making has fostered it in the years since. Endless western military interventions in the Middle East have brought only destruction and division. It's the people of the region who can cure this disease - not those who incubated the virus.
En geschreven door een extreem-linkse communistquote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 20:03 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
Probleem: ik heb een serieuzere bron gevonden maar daaruit blijkt dat de inhoud van het document al een een poosje bekend is![]()
https://www.theguardian.c(...)3/us-isis-syria-iraq
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Judicial Watch is dit zeer zeker niet. Ze zijn een stel activistische conservatieven waar republikeinen weinig fout bij kunnen doen en democraten te gebeten hond zijn.quote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 19:34 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
Judicial Watch, een waakhond die de Amerikaanse regering in de gaten houdt
Dat maakt niet uit, Juicidal Watch is daarentegen -lees ik zojuist- een clubje activistische conservatieven. Op deze manier balanceert het elkaar mooi uit.quote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 20:06 schreef Fir3fly het volgende:
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En geschreven door een extreem-linkse communist.
Lijkt mij weinig relevant, het document is het document ongeacht wie het op tafel heeft gekregen.quote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 20:08 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:
Judicial Watch is dit zeer zeker niet. Ze zijn een stel activistische conservatieven waar republikeinen weinig fout bij kunnen doen en democraten te gebeten hond zijn.
Onder "in de gaten houden" verstaan zij klaarblijkelijk allemaal hysterische conspiratorial onzin opwerpen. Er staat een hele bloemlezing over hun bullshit op wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Watch
Is dat een printscreen genomen op waarheid.com?quote:
Een nog veel slechtere bronquote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 20:12 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
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Hoe dan ook; ook niet langer relevant; The Guardian is vanaf #15 de officiële bron van dit topic.
De printscreen is van de waarheidssite: https://hoax.fandom.com/nl/wiki/9_For_News (ofwel letterlijk de eerste hit op google na hun eigen url: https://www.google.com/search?q=ninefornews.nlquote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 20:12 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:
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Is dat een printscreen genomen op waarheid.com?
Hoe dan ook; ook niet langer relevant; The Guardian is vanaf #15 de officiële bron van dit topic.
Moet je voor de grap eens lezen.quote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 20:21 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:
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Maar goed, artikel van The Guardian dus?
HoaxWiki, zeker in het leven geroepen door Soros?quote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 20:21 schreef ExtraWaskracht het volgende:
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De printscreen is van de waarheidssite: https://hoax.fandom.com/nl/wiki/9_For_News (ofwel letterlijk de eerste hit op google na hun eigen url: https://www.google.com/search?q=ninefornews.nl) Ze zijn voortgekomen uit Niburu, misschien dat je dat kent?
Maar goed, artikel van The Guardian dus? Misschien een goed idee dan om de OP even aan te passen.
Gewoon een goed achtergrond/opiniestuk dat zich baseert op tal van nieuwsberichten (zie de tekstlinkjes).quote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 20:21 schreef Fir3fly het volgende:
Een nog veel slechtere bron. Het is namelijk niet eens een nieuwsbericht maar gewoon een column.
Te lastig om te verwerken. Het document is vrij beschikbaar (directe link in de OP), de context kennen ze zelf ook al. Maar toegeven? Nee, diep onderzoek naar de bron. Dat is wat we gaan doen. Kop in het zand onder het mom van graven naar objectiviteit. Compleet ongeloofwaardig.quote:Op zondag 23 juni 2019 20:20 schreef Oud_student het volgende:
Typisch die users die hard BNW roepen als er feiten en meningen worden verkondigd die hun niet welgevallig zijn. Nog erger als het moderatoren zijn.
Het is algemeen bekend dat er bijna 100 zgn. anti Assad strijdgroepen waren. Een half jaar geleden kwam ook in Nederland aan het licht dat de groepen die wij steunden allemaal samenwerkten met IS. Al het materiaal is naar IS of IS achtige strijders terroristen gegaan.
Jarenlang is Assad als de boosdoener afgeschilderd, terwijl de terroristen burgers vermoordden, steden in puin brachten, kunstschatten stalen of vernietigden.
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