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  Moderator zondag 18 november 2018 @ 09:51:31 #1
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Dit topic gaat over celebs die onder bizarre omstandigheden zijn overleden en waarvan jij de officiële doodsoorzaak- verklaringen twijfelachtig vindt. Plaats wel info om je claim te ondersteunen.

Let op: dit gaat niet over of ze nog zouden leven. Uitgangspunt is dat besproken celebs wel echt overleden zijn. En dit is ook geen plek om celebs te bashen.

Ik zal beginnen met een klassieker:

Marilyn Monroe

Wie Marilyn?
Marilyn Monroe, pseudoniem van Norma Jeane Mortenson geboren te Los Angeles op 1 juni 1926, was een Amerikaans fotomodel, actrice en zangeres. Ze werd als sekssymbool een icoon in de jaren vijftig. Ze kwam te overlijden op 5 augustus 1962. Haar vader was ‘onbekend’, ze wist niet zeker wie haar vader was.
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Mogelijk is het Edward Mortensen, de tweede echtgenoot van haar moeder. Zijn naam staat op het geboortecertificaat van Norma Jeane. Waarom dan die twijfel? Het is bekend dat Monroe’s moeder rond de tijd van haar conceptie een affaire had met ene Stanley Gifford.
Nou gaan er meerder conspiracies rond over Monroe. Ze zou familie zijn van Bush en deel van de elite. Er wordt ook beweerd dat zij één van de eerste celebrity transgender is die ribben zou hebben laten verwijderen om de heupillusie te creëeren. En ook wordt gezegd dat zij geprogrammeerd was en zij zeg maar een fancy prostitué voor de elite was, dit zou de daimond- level worden genoemd. En er wordt beweerd dat andere A-sterren ook op de diamond- level zitten en dat het te zien is een Marilyn Monroe imitatie of de vele diamanten waarmee de celeb gepromoot wordt (Beyoncé, Rihanna, Ariana Grande en Britney Spears).
Deze conspiracy gaat over iets anders, over de officiële doodsverklaring.

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During the final months of her life, Monroe lived at 12305 Fifth Helena Drive in the Brentwood neighborhood of Los Angeles. Her housekeeper Eunice Murray was staying overnight at the home on the evening of August 5, 1962.[249] Murray awoke at 3:00 a.m. on August 6 and sensed that something was wrong. Although she saw light from under Monroe's bedroom door, she was unable to get a response and found the door locked. Murray then called Monroe's psychiatrist, Dr. Ralph Greenson, who arrived at the house shortly after and broke into the bedroom through a window, finding Monroe dead in her bed.[249] She was pronounced dead by her physician, Dr. Hyman Engelberg, who arrived at the house at around 3:50 a.m.[249] At 4:25 a.m., they notified the Los Angeles Police Department.[249]

Monroe had died between 8:30 p.m. and 10:30 p.m. on August 5,[250] and the toxicology report revealed that the cause of death was acute barbiturate poisoning. She had 8 mg% (milligrams per 100 milliliters of solution) chloral hydrate and 4.5 mg% of pentobarbital (Nembutal) in her blood, and 13 mg% of pentobarbital in her liver.[251] Empty medicine bottles were found next to her bed.[252] The possibility that Monroe had accidentally overdosed was ruled out because the dosages found in her body were several times over the lethal limit.[253]
Dus dat ze per ongeluk een overdosis heeft genomen is onwaarschijnlijk wordt hier beschreven.

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The Los Angeles County Coroners Office was assisted in their investigation by the Los Angeles Suicide Prevention Team, who had expert knowledge on suicide.[252] Monroe's doctors stated that she had been "prone to severe fears and frequent depressions" with "abrupt and unpredictable mood changes", and had overdosed several times in the past, possibly intentionally.[253][254] Due to these facts and the lack of any indication of foul play, deputy coroner Thomas Noguchi classified her death as a probable suicide.[255]
Vanwege oa haar despressie problemen in het verleden, wordt aangenomen dat het waarschijnlijk zelfmoord was.

Maar na de dood van Monroe ontstaan er conspiracies over haar dood.
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In the following decades, several conspiracy theories, including murder and accidental overdose, have been introduced to contradict suicide as the cause of Monroe's death.[261] The speculation that Monroe had been murdered first gained mainstream attention with the publication of Norman Mailer's Marilyn: A Biography in 1973, and in the following years became widespread enough for the Los Angeles County District Attorney John Van de Kamp to conduct a "threshold investigation" in 1982 to see whether a criminal investigation should be opened.[262] No evidence of foul play was found.[263]
In 1982 heeft John Van de Kamp geconstateerd dat er geen dieper onderzoek hoeft te komen, omdat hij geen sporen kon vinden van ‘foul play’.

Echter denkt John Miner dat ze geen zelfmoord zou hebben gepleegd, maar dat de pillen haar toegediend waren.
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Uit de autopsie van Monroe's lichaam, waarbij Miner aanwezig was, bleek volgens Miner dat het slachtoffer eerst verdoofd werd door inname van 'Mickey Finn'-pillen. Daarna werden grote hoeveelheden Nembutal het lichaam ingebracht. Miner is van mening dat deze stof in haar dikke darm is gespoten. Hij pleit nu voor een nieuwe autopsie zodat de dikke darm onderzocht kan worden.
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She Wasn't Suicidal'

Matthew Smith paid an undisclosed fee to Miner to use the Monroe transcript in his book, "Marilyn's Last Words: Her Secret Tapes and Mysterious Death."
"The important thing about it was that she wasn't suicidal," Smith said.
Smith dismissed the possibility that the tapes could have caught Monroe on a good day.
"I don't think so," he said. "I don't think it was just a mood swing. She was very upbeat. She was very forward-looking."
Smith found Marilyn's talk of the future very compelling, calling her "level-headed."
"She wasn't up and down," he said. "She was on a plane that marked her out as a smart lady. She knew where she was going. It was definite."
Smith doesn't believe that Monroe killed herself, but he has a theory on who did it -- the CIA.
"Some people believe the Kennedys had to with it; I don't at all," he said. "I believe it was the disenchanted survivors of the Bay of Pigs, the CIA agents."
Volgens Miner zit de CIA erachter.


https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Monroe
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Monroe
https://www.vpro.nl/cinem(...)-geen-zelfmoord.html
https://www.trouw.nl/home(...)-zelfmoord~a837ffb8/
https://abchttps://abcnews.go.com/GMA/news.go.com/GMA/story?id=1014268&page=1
https://m.hln.be/showbizz(...)lyn-monroe~a070567f/



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A child is born with no state of mind.
  zondag 18 november 2018 @ 10:43:24 #2
176450 Kaneelstokje
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Als je zin en tijd hebt, zou je dan kunnen kijken naar Chester Bennington en Chris Cornell?
Emotionele exclusiviteit monogamie-adept
  zondag 18 november 2018 @ 10:46:19 #3
450551 ChrisCarter
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Ze stond ook onder surveillance van de CIA ;)

https://www.spyculture.com/marilyn-monroe-cia-memo/
  zondag 18 november 2018 @ 10:47:08 #4
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Ik reageer niet op trollen
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Evengoed even een leuke bijdrage voor jullie


Succes met het topic.

[ Bericht 17% gewijzigd door sneakydesert op 18-11-2018 10:55:12 ]
Als je in discussie gaat met een trol, wint hij. Als je een trol beledigt, wint hij. Als je tekeer gaat tegen een trol, wint hij. Het enige waar trollen niet tegen kunnen, is te worden genegeerd.
  zondag 18 november 2018 @ 10:48:15 #5
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0s.gif Op zondag 18 november 2018 10:43 schreef Kaneelstokje het volgende:
Als je zin en tijd hebt, zou je dan kunnen kijken naar Chester Bennington en Chris Cornell?
Wat is er fishy aan Chris Cornell?
Curiosity cultured the cat
Hoge dames vangen veel wind
Whadda ya hear! Whadda ya say!
What is any ocean but a multitude of drops?
  zondag 18 november 2018 @ 10:56:00 #6
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0s.gif Op zondag 18 november 2018 10:43 schreef Kaneelstokje het volgende:
Als je zin en tijd hebt, zou je dan kunnen kijken naar Chester Bennington en Chris Cornell?
Allebei zelfdodingen nietwaar?
  zondag 18 november 2018 @ 10:56:51 #7
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Is Gaga dood?
Curiosity cultured the cat
Hoge dames vangen veel wind
Whadda ya hear! Whadda ya say!
What is any ocean but a multitude of drops?
  zondag 18 november 2018 @ 11:02:27 #8
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Allebei zelfdodingen nietwaar?
Correct. Vlak na elkaar, nadat ze beiden mee zouden werken aan een film over kinderhandel. Schijnt.
Emotionele exclusiviteit monogamie-adept
  Moderator zondag 18 november 2018 @ 11:07:06 #9
454430 crew  SuperHartje
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Correct. Vlak na elkaar, nadat ze beiden mee zouden werken aan een film over kinderhandel. Schijnt.
Ah interessant. Dit wordt ook beweerd over Avicii.
A child is born with no state of mind.
  Moderator zondag 18 november 2018 @ 11:08:06 #10
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0s.gif Op zondag 18 november 2018 10:43 schreef Kaneelstokje het volgende:
Als je zin en tijd hebt, zou je dan kunnen kijken naar Chester Bennington en Chris Cornell?
Nu direct lukt niet, maar lijkt me erg interessant. Edit: Je kan alvast wat info delen als je tijd hebt. :)
A child is born with no state of mind.
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Ik ben 2PAC vorig jaar nog in Frankfurt tegengekomen. Ook heel raar.
  Moderator zondag 18 november 2018 @ 11:19:32 #12
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11s.gif Op zondag 18 november 2018 11:15 schreef O_o_ het volgende:
Ik ben 2PAC vorig jaar nog in Frankfurt tegengekomen. Ook heel raar.
OP gelezen?
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Let op: dit gaat niet over of ze nog zouden leven. Uitgangspunt is dat besproken celebs wel echt overleden zijn. En dit is ook geen plek om celebs te bashen.
A child is born with no state of mind.
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OP gelezen?

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Niet helemaal, bedankt. Dan laat ik dit topic aan mij voorbijgaan.
  Moderator zondag 18 november 2018 @ 11:23:20 #14
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Als je denkt dat Tupacs doodsverklaring twijfelachtig is, kan je het proberen te onderbouwen.
A child is born with no state of mind.
  Moderator zondag 18 november 2018 @ 22:47:14 #15
454430 crew  SuperHartje
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A child is born with no state of mind.
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Leuk onderwerp!

De dood van actrice Natalie Wood was een andere celeb bij betrokken, namelijk Christopher Walken:
1 + 1 = blauw
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1s.gif Op maandag 19 november 2018 06:42 schreef Kamina het volgende:
Leuk onderwerp!

De dood van actrice Natalie Wood was een andere celeb bij betrokken, namelijk Christopher Walken:
Die ook een rol speelde in Illuminata Illuminata (1998) - Full Cast & Crew - IMDb
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14s.gif Op zondag 18 november 2018 10:47 schreef controlaltdelete het volgende:
Evengoed even een leuke bijdrage voor jullie


Succes met het topic.

Zelfde idee.
You have to stop the Q-tip when there's resistance!
  maandag 19 november 2018 @ 12:35:55 #19
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Alleen leven beiden nog ;)
  Moderator maandag 19 november 2018 @ 15:20:25 #20
454430 crew  SuperHartje
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A child is born with no state of mind.
  Moderator maandag 19 november 2018 @ 15:21:44 #21
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1s.gif Op maandag 19 november 2018 06:42 schreef Kamina het volgende:
Leuk onderwerp!

De dood van actrice Natalie Wood was een andere celeb bij betrokken, namelijk Christopher Walken:
Gek gedoe op een boot idd.
A child is born with no state of mind.
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Aaliyah, verraden en opgeofferd als bloedoffer door haar vriendin Beyoncé en de illuminati zodat Beyoncé in haar plaats een superster kon worden.



[ Bericht 77% gewijzigd door LurkJeRot op 19-11-2018 16:03:41 ]
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Oooh, en natuurlijk Paul McCartney! Omgekomen bij een autoongeluk, maar dat werd zorgvuldig verborgen gehouden voor het grote publiek en een vervanger werd aangesteld en met plastisch chirurgie bewerkt zodat er vrijwel geen verschil meer te zien was. Later zette de overige Beatles allerlei hints en clues in albumhoezen en liedteksten.

begin hier, maar als je paul is dead googelt wordt je letterlijk doodgegooid (haha, get it :') ) met sites die erover gaan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead

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En Courtney heeft Kurt vermoord of laten vermoorden.

https://liveforlivemusic.(...)iversary-death-l4lm/

https://soundcloud.com/la(...)rt-i-albinis-weenies
https://soundcloud.com/la(...)ost-train-of-el-duce

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  Moderator maandag 19 november 2018 @ 16:01:35 #25
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Probeer je claims te onderbouwen aub.

Edit: Toppie!

[ Bericht 25% gewijzigd door SuperHartje op 19-11-2018 16:29:09 ]
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0s.gif Op maandag 19 november 2018 15:27 schreef LurkJeRot het volgende:
Oooh, en natuurlijk Paul McCartney! Omgekomen bij een autoongeluk, maar dat werd zorgvuldig verborgen gehouden voor het grote publiek en een vervanger werd aangesteld en met plastisch chirurgie bewerkt zodat er vrijwel geen verschil meer te zien was. Later zette de overige Beatles allerlei hints en clues in albumhoezen en liedteksten.

begin hier, maar als je paul is dead googelt wordt je letterlijk doodgegooid (haha, get it :') ) met sites die erover gaan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead
Dat heb ik ook altijd een interessante gevonden. Dat gerucht zingt al zo lang rond. Of het nu wel de echte Paul is weten we niet. Wél dat er enorm aan zijn gezicht gesleuteld is.
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Dat heb ik ook altijd een interessante gevonden. Dat gerucht zingt al zo lang rond. Of het nu wel de echte Paul is weten we niet. Wél dat er enorm aan zijn gezicht gesleuteld is.
De huidige Paul die we nu hebben? (in de theorie wordt hij vaak Faul genoemd, Fake Paul.)
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De huidige Paul die we nu hebben? (in de theorie wordt hij vaak Faul genoemd, Fake Paul.)
Ja, de huidige Paul.
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Ja, de huidige Paul.
Je hebt denk ik gelijk. Ik was vroeger redelijk geobsedeerd door deze theorie. Niet dat ik het geloofde, maar ik vond het heel erg interessant en las alles wat ik kon vinden.
Tegenwoordig volg ik McCartney nauwelijks meer, maar nu ik eens naar foto's kijk zie ik dat hij relatief recent toch wel behoorlijk wat heeft laten doen aan zijn gezicht.
Ik weet niet of dat ook al zo was toen ik er nog veel over las....

Dit is een site die ik me herinner die heel diep gaat met vergelijkingen tussen Paul en Faul:
https://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/fc1.html (link naar volgende deeltje staat steeds onderaan de pagina)
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0s.gif Op maandag 19 november 2018 16:36 schreef LurkJeRot het volgende:

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Je hebt denk ik gelijk. Ik was vroeger redelijk geobsedeerd door deze theorie. Niet dat ik het geloofde, maar ik vond het heel erg interessant en las alles wat ik kon vinden.
Tegenwoordig volg ik McCartney nauwelijks meer, maar nu ik eens naar foto's kijk zie ik dat hij relatief recent toch wel behoorlijk wat heeft laten doen aan zijn gezicht.
Ik weet niet of dat ook al zo was toen ik er nog veel over las....

Dit is een site die ik me herinner die heel diep gaat met vergelijkingen tussen Paul en Faul:
https://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/fc1.html (link naar volgende deeltje staat steeds onderaan de pagina)
Dankje. Die ga ik eens rustig lezen. Dit heeft me altijd geboeid.
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Dankje. Die ga ik eens rustig lezen. Dit heeft me altijd geboeid.
Ik hoop dat je even tijd hebt, want alleen die site is al een rabbit hole, niet te geloven gewoon.
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Ik hoop dat je even tijd hebt, want alleen die site is al een rabbit hole, niet te geloven gewoon.
Gewoon ff tijd voor maken. Lekker leesvoer c_/
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Die ook een rol speelde in Illuminata Illuminata (1998) - Full Cast & Crew - IMDb
Dat wist ik niet! :o

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Gek gedoe op een boot idd.
Het meest interssante vind ik dat een legendarische beroemdheid als Christopher 'I need more cowbell' Walken zich zo afzijdig heeft gehouden in deze gebeurtenis, terwijl hij één van de drie personen op die boot was. Jet schijnt dat Hollywood en de inlichtingendiensten van die tijd nauwe verbonden waren (zijn?) en weinig moeite hadden om zich te bemoeien met dit soort schandalen.

De nazistische propaganda-filmindustrie is een grote inspiratiebron geweest voor Hollywood en die invloed merken we nog steeds. Een topic waard op zichzelf en zeker interessant. Ik meen dat ik daar ooit in een grijs verleden een topic over heb gemaakt. O-)

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0s.gif Op maandag 19 november 2018 15:25 schreef LurkJeRot het volgende:
Aaliyah, verraden en opgeofferd als bloedoffer door haar vriendin Beyoncé en de illuminati zodat Beyoncé in haar plaats een superster kon worden.

Ik weet van die tijd voornamelijk dat Missy Elliot zeer ontdaan was van de dood van Aliyaah, als haar mentor, en van wat ik toentertijd al vermoedde haar lover. Of dat een eenzijdig #metoo'tje was weet ik niet, maar het tegendeel kwam in mijn ogen niet naar voren.
1 + 1 = blauw
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Dat wist ik niet! :o

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Het meest interssante vind ik dat een legendarische beroemdheid als Christopher 'I need more cowbell' Walken zich zo afzijdig heeft gehouden in deze gebeurtenis, terwijl hij één van de drie personen op die boot was. Jet schijnt dat Hollywood en de inlichtingendiensten van die tijd nauwe verbonden waren (zijn?) en weinig moeite hadden om zich te bemoeien met dit soort schandalen.

De nazistische propaganda-filmindustrie is een grote inspiratiebron geweest voor Hollywood en die invloed merken we nog steeds. Een topic waard op zichzelf en zeker interessant. Ik meen dat ik daar ooit in een grijs verleden een topic over heb gemaakt. O-)

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Ik weet van die tijd voornamelijk dat Missy Elliot zeer ontdaan was van de dood van Aliyaah, als haar mentor, en van wat ik toentertijd al vermoedde haar lover. Of dat een eenzijdig #metoo'tje was weet ik niet, maar het tegendeel kwam in mijn ogen niet naar voren.
Jazeker heb je dat! Ben al aan het zoeken O+
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Jazeker heb je dat! Ben al aan het zoeken O+
:@
1 + 1 = blauw
  Moderator dinsdag 20 november 2018 @ 17:06:39 #36
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0s.gif Op zondag 18 november 2018 10:43 schreef Kaneelstokje het volgende:
Als je zin en tijd hebt, zou je dan kunnen kijken naar Chester Bennington en Chris Cornell?
A child is born with no state of mind.
  Moderator dinsdag 20 november 2018 @ 17:12:29 #37
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Het meest interssante vind ik dat een legendarische beroemdheid als Christopher 'I need more cowbell' Walken zich zo afzijdig heeft gehouden in deze gebeurtenis, terwijl hij één van de drie personen op die boot was. Jet schijnt dat Hollywood en de inlichtingendiensten van die tijd nauwe verbonden waren (zijn?) en weinig moeite hadden om zich te bemoeien met dit soort schandalen.


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De nazistische propaganda-filmindustrie is een grote inspiratiebron geweest voor Hollywood en die invloed merken we nog steeds. Een topic waard op zichzelf en zeker interessant. Ik meen dat ik daar ooit in een grijs verleden een topic over heb gemaakt. O-)

Topic heb ik gemist. Lijkt mij zeer interessant.
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  Moderator dinsdag 20 november 2018 @ 17:33:09 #38
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Overigens wordt beweerd dat Aaliyah ook in een rare 3- hoeks verhouding zat met Damon Dash en Jay-z. En dat rare gedoe met RKelly. Daarnaast wordt ook beweerd dat Aaliyah een castrato was en dus op jonge leeftijd getransgenderd was door haar ouders, met name moeder.

Castrato of niet. Aaliyah O+
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  Moderator dinsdag 20 november 2018 @ 17:35:37 #39
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Ik zal binnenkort ook een topic doen over verborgen castrati in popmuziek.

Is een beetje off- topic :@

[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door SuperHartje op 20-11-2018 19:18:30 ]
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Overigens wordt beweerd dat Aaliyah ook in een rare 3- hoeks verhouding zat met Damon Dash en Jay-z. En dat rare gedoe met RKelly. Daarnaast wordt ook beweerd dat Aaliyah een castrato was en dus op jonge leeftijd getransgenderd was door haar ouders, met name moeder.

Castrato of niet. Aaliyah O+
waaaat, dat is een nieuwe voor mij, dat ze een castraat zou zijn.
  Moderator dinsdag 20 november 2018 @ 19:29:40 #41
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0s.gif Op zondag 18 november 2018 10:46 schreef ChrisCarter het volgende:
Ze stond ook onder surveillance van de CIA ;)

https://www.spyculture.com/marilyn-monroe-cia-memo/
Net gelezen. Interessante analyse. Dat van die ‘little red book’ had ik van gehoord idd, maar alweer vergeten. Wat is dat toch met het tappen van celebs daar? Daar hebben NLse celebs geen last van volgens mij :{
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  Moderator dinsdag 20 november 2018 @ 19:31:43 #42
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Ik bedoel BN-ers :*
NLse celebs :')
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  Moderator donderdag 22 november 2018 @ 09:57:29 #43
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Chester Bennington's Friend: 'He was Murdered by Elite Pedophiles'

The tragic and suspiciously untimely death of Linkin Park singer Chester Bennington has left many unanswered questions about the true nature of his passing.The mainstream media is desperately trying to push the "suicide" narrative whilst accusing anyone who questions this ruling of "spreading vile lies", despite claims from his close friends and family that he was in no way suicidal.His wife Talinda Ann Bentley even posted from her official Twitter account that she has evidence that he was murdered and that his death was made to look like a suicide. "he was already dead before he hung himself, I have proof.."The posts were deleted shortly after without explanation, yet the MSM was quick to declare that her account was "hacked" without a single word of confirmation.

READ MORE: Chester Bennington's Wife: 'My Husband was Murdered and I Have Proof'Now, after living in "fear", fellow musician Chris Keene has come forward saying he can no longer keep his "mouth shut" as he reveals that Mr. Bennington was "murdered" by an Elite "human trafficking and pedophilia ring". © Twitter Chester Bennington's wife posted the claim on Twitter and then later removed it. Mr. Keene admits he had been reluctant to come forward sooner due to the "backlash" he would face over the information he was exposing.In a post on his Facebook page, he reveals that the suicide ruling for both Chester Bennington and his best friend Chris Cornell was a cover up for their murder.He states that both men were killed because they had information about high-level Elites that were connected to child trafficking and pedophile networks.Keene says that Chris Cornell had acquired evidence connecting the Clintons to human trafficking and that several journalists that had been privy to the same information had also died in suspicious circumstances.

READ MORE: Chris Cornell was About to Expose Elite Pedophile Ring Before He DiedHe claims that Cornell had shared this information with his son's Godfather Bennington and that they were killed by "the Illuminati" in a bid to silence them before they could go public. © Facebook Chris Keene says he can no longer keep his 'mouth shut' The statement from Keene says: So I've kept my mouth shut on this for a while due to fear of backlash but f*ck that. I'm letting it all out. Chris and Chester were murdered. I'm not buying this suicide shit for 1 minute. Anyone who knows about Chris and Chester knows they were best friends. Chester was even Chris' sons Godfather. The 2 of them worked together in the Chris and Vickey Cornell foundation who helped prevent the sexual exploitation of vulnerable children. Chris also worked with the Clinton administration on a cpp services out of Haiti that was later found out to be a human trafficking ring. Several journalists who tried to break that story died suddenly. Rumor has it that these men had aquired a list of people in the mainstream media, the government and the acting world who were involved in this human trafficking and pedophilia ring.

Chris apparantly was about to blow the lid on this. Coincidentally shortly after he's found dead. Fast forward to yesterday. In almost the exact same fashion his best friend, Chester Bennington is found dead. The exact same way as Chris was. Something is not adding up here, people. If Chris hung himself then why does his autopsy report show that he had head trauma and 9 cracked ribs. Anyone who knows anything about singing knows that with 9 cracked ribs it would be impossible to perform. Thus making it impossible to have performed the night of his death. These are the signs of a man fighting for his life. The illuminati is real people. Don't let them fool you.The coroner’s office said that a half empty bottle of alcohol was found in the room of his home north west of Los Angeles, but that no drug or suicide note was recovered.A full postmortem examination has yet to be scheduled. As fans of the band around the world have paid tribute to Bennington, the band has canceled a tour that was scheduled to start this week.

Read more at: http://www.neonnettle.com(...)by-elite-pedophiles-
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Haha, dat artikel is ook verwijderd. Dit gaat toch veel te ver joh, die zogenaamde elite pedofiele illuminati kindermisbruik-rings. Ik geloof er geen reet van. :P
  Moderator donderdag 22 november 2018 @ 18:34:11 #45
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Ik geloof het wel. Zie internationaal pedofilie topic. BNW / Internationaal kinderhandel en pedofielennetwerk #3

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Aaliyah, verraden en opgeofferd als bloedoffer door haar vriendin Beyoncé en de illuminati zodat Beyoncé in haar plaats een superster kon worden.

Nou weet niet of dat helemaal waar is hoor :D

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In augustus 2001 zou Aaliyah in Florida een videoclip opnemen voor de single Rock the boat, maar vanwege het slechte weer besloot de regisseur de videoclip op de Bahama's op te nemen. Na afloop van de opnamen stapte Aaliyah in een klein vliegtuig dat haar naar Miami had moeten brengen. Het vliegtuig stortte echter kort na het opstijgen aan het eind van de startbaan neer. Aaliyah en een aantal van haar collega's waren op slag dood. Haar lijfwacht werd nog snel naar het ziekenhuis gebracht maar overleed de volgende ochtend. Ook de piloot overleefde de crash niet.

Na een onderzoek dat ruim een jaar duurde bleek dat de piloot die het vliegtuig bestuurde niet de toestemming en de opleiding had om dit type vliegtuig te besturen. Ook bleek dat de piloot op het moment van het ongeluk alcohol en drugs in zijn lichaam had, en bovendien was het toestel niet geschikt om negen personen te vervoeren en kon het niet vliegen met het gewicht van de bagage die het toestel op dat moment droeg.

Aaliyahs onverwachte dood had een groot effect op haar familie, haar vrienden (onder wie Timbaland en Missy Elliott) en de muziekindustrie. Alom werd Aaliyah geprezen vanwege haar talent. De single Rock the boat werd een postume hit. In 2002 werd een herdenkingssingle, Miss you opgenomen door onder anderen Missy Elliott, Lil' Kim, Toni Braxton en DMX. Het was de bedoeling dat Aaliyah de echtgenote van Harold Perrineau zou spelen in de twee opvolgers van The Matrix. Haar rol werd overgenomen door Nona Gaye. Ook zou ze de hoofdrol vertolken in (het uiteindelijk door Salim Akil geregisseerde) Sparkle. Deze film zou pas in 2012 verschijnen, met Whitney Houston in de hoofdrol.

Aaliyah ligt begraven op de begraafplaats Ferncliff in Hartsdale, nabij New York.

Op 5 augustus 2012 werd op YouTube een nieuwe single met de overleden zangeres gepubliceerd. In Enough Said zingt Aaliyah samen met rapper Drake.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaliyah
Drake :')

Maar het zou dus zo zijn dat haar toenmalige verloofde, Damon Dash :') , haar verzocht heeft eerder terug te komen. Want ze zou in 1e instantie later vertrekken.

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On Saturday, August 25, 2001, after Aaliyah and the record company employees had completed filming the music video for "Rock the Boat", At 6:50 p.m. (EDT), they boarded a twin-engine Cessna 402B (registration N8097W) at the Marsh Harbour Airport, located on the Abaco Islands, for the return trip back to Opa-locka Airport in Florida.[6] The return flight was originally booked for the following day, but filming had finished early, and Aaliyah and her entourage were eager to return to the U.S. They made the decision to leave immediately. The aircraft designated for the return flight was smaller than the one on which they had originally arrived, but it accommodated the whole party and all of their equipment.[7]

The passengers had grown impatient because the Cessna was supposed to arrive at 4:30 p.m. EDT, but did not arrive until 6:15 p.m. EDT.[2] Charter pilot Lewis Key claimed to have overheard passengers arguing with fellow pilot Luis Morales III prior to take off, adding that Morales warned them that there was too much weight for a "safe flight". Key further stated: "He tried to convince them the plane was overloaded, but they insisted they had chartered the plane and they had to be in Miami Saturday night."[8] Key indicated that Morales gave in to the passengers and that he had trouble starting one of the engines.[9]

The aircraft crashed shortly after takeoff, about 200 feet (60 m) from the runway.[6] Aaliyah and the eight others on board: Morales, hair stylist Eric Foreman, Anthony Dodd, security guard Scott Gallin, family friend Keith Wallace, make-up artist Christopher Maldonado, and Blackground Records employees Douglas Kratz and Gina Smith were all killed.[10] Gallin survived the initial impact and, according to paramedics, spent his last moments worrying about Aaliyah's condition.[11] Kathleen Bergen, spokeswoman for the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in Atlanta, identified the aircraft as being owned by Florida-based company Skystream. Initial crash reports identified Luis Morales as "L Marael".[12]

Key suggested that engine failure, along with overloading of the aircraft, could have caused the crash, recalling that others had seen the plane experience an engine failure on takeoff. One witness believed that no one could have survived the accident because of the crash intensity and the fact that the aircraft had disintegrated upon impact. He also recalled the condition of the bodies: "It was an awful sight. Some bodies were so badly disfigured, you couldn't identify them. And two guys were alive — one screaming and screaming for help. He was horribly burned all over."[8] A 25-year-old charter pilot who witnessed the crash saw the Cessna go down as he was working on some machinery "about half a mile" away. He recalled the aircraft being only "60 to 100 feet" off the ground before it crashed. He went to get a fire truck and was stunned by what he saw upon arriving at the crash site. "I've seen crashes before but that was probably one of the worst ones," he said. "It was pretty devastating. The aircraft was broken into pieces and some of the seats were thrown from the aircraft."[13]

The New York Post printed one of the last photographs taken of Aaliyah, but wrongly labeled it as taken before the crash with a fan, Alvin Lightbourne, who wanted it as a souvenir.[14] The photo was in fact taken when Aaliyah arrived to the Bahamas, on Thursday, August 23. She had spoken to the fan for 15 minutes and gave him a hug as well. Lightbourne praised her for a recent donation to a charity and Aaliyah explained: "God blessed me with money and now it's time to give back."[11][15]

Aaliyah spoke a month before her death about her favorite dream: "Someone's following me and I don't know why. I'm scared. Then suddenly I lift off. Far away. As if I'm swimming in the air. Nobody can reach me. Nobody can touch me. It's a wonderful feeling".[16]

Investigation
According to the findings of an inquest conducted by the coroner's office in the Bahamas, Aaliyah suffered from "severe burns and a blow to the head", in addition to severe shock and a weak heart.[17] The coroner theorized that she went into such a state of shock that even if she had survived the crash, her recovery would have been nearly impossible.[18] The bodies, some of them badly burned, were taken to the morgue at Princess Margaret Hospital in Nassau, where they remained until relatives made positive identification.[19]

The subsequent investigation determined that when the aircraft attempted to depart, it was over its maximum takeoff weight by 700 pounds (320 kg) and had one more passenger than it was certified to carry.[20] An informational report issued by the National Transportation Safety Board stated, "The airplane was seen lifting off the runway, and then nose down, impacting in a marsh on the south side of the departure end of runway 27."[21] It indicated that the pilot was not approved to fly the aircraft. Morales had falsely obtained his FAA license by showing logs of hundreds of flight hours he had never flown. He may also have falsified the number of hours he had flown to get the job with his employer, Blackhawk International Airways.[22] Additionally, Morales' toxicology report revealed traces of cocaine and alcohol in his system.[23]

The NTSB reported that the maximum allowed gross weight of the aircraft was "substantially exceeded" and that the center of gravity was positioned beyond its rear limit.[24] The U.S. joined the investigation on August 27, 2001, as authorities from the NTSB and the FAA arrived in the Bahamas.[25] On August 31, the day of Aaliyah's funeral, an independent expert of the Cessna Pilots Association reported that the aircraft was overloaded. His statement came as investigators declined to comment on weight being a factor in the crash.[26]

Remains returned to the United States
On August 28, 2001, Aaliyah's remains were transported from the Bahamas back to the U.S. Over 100 people waited outside the funeral home in Nassau as four men lifted her coffin into a hearse. It was then taken to the Nassau airport, where a private jet waited to return the body to Newark International Airport in Newark, New Jersey.[27][28]

A director at the funeral home in Nassau said people started calling in on August 27 to pay their respects. The other victims' bodies were repatriated on August 29. A U.S. Embassy spokesman reported that Virgin Records America paid the cost of all mortuary services in the Bahamas, the return of the bodies to the U.S., as well as the funerals.[29]

Aaliyah's family was staying at the Trump International Hotel when her body was returned. Staff reported flowers and condolences had been sent in steadily since her death. A worker at the reception desk disclosed that at least 500 bouquets, delivered mostly by grieving fans, had arrived for the family in the three days between the crash and the return of her body. Aaliyah's publicist, Jill Fritzo, said the Haughton family was touched by the support they received from fans and reported the condition of the family. "They're hanging in there. It's very tough for them".[30]

Criticism of Blackhawk
Blackhawk International Airways came under scrutiny by the FAA, which reported that the charter service had authorization for limited use of the aircraft to the degree that it was theorized that Morales would normally not have been able to pilot it. In the three years prior to the crash, Blackhawk was cited four times for violations. The company was fined $1,500 in 1998 for violating safety rules in U.S. airspace. It received a warning for not testing employees for drugs in 1999, and was cited in 2000 for failing to comply with maintenance standards.[30] Gilbert Chacon, head of Blackhawk at the time of the crash, pleaded guilty in 1993 to bankruptcy fraud involving another charter service. There was no evidence that Blackhawk managers had prior knowledge of Chacon's background.[2]

Pilot's background
After the crash, revelations came to light concerning Morales' private life, as well as his activities during the final month before the crash. From an early age, Morales had expressed interest in aviation. His grandfather was a commercial pilot who gave him his first flights at age eleven. Morales began formal flight training at age seventeen at the Isla Grande Flying School at Fernando Ribas Dominicci Airport in Isla Grande, San Juan, Puerto Rico. Following the accident, authorities told his relatives not to discuss the case; however, Morales' sister spoke on behalf of the family. "We are confident the investigation is not going to disclose anything that would involve negligence on behalf of my brother. He has vast experience flying planes. He had been doing it since he was 14... They are talking about a person who cannot defend himself."[44]

Morales received his pilot's license in February 2000.[30] His job for Blackhawk was his second attempt to work as a commercial pilot since getting his license.[15] In October 2000, he had been turned down for being too inexperienced after applying to Tropic Air of Fort Lauderdale.[2] Broward County Sheriff’s records showed Morales had been caught with crack cocaine in his car after being pulled over for driving his car through a stop sign on August 7, 2001; he was booked on a felony cocaine-possession charge. He was also charged for driving with a suspended license and running a stop sign. The arrest report stated that Morales told officers he was in the area to purchase powder cocaine for a friend.[45]

The Associated Press, The Palm Beach Post and other news outlets reported allegations that Morales had been sentenced to probation on August 13, 2001, the result of being found with a small amount of cocaine in his car during the traffic stop. Other reports, such as one by The New York Times on September 8, 2001, and another in the Broward County Sun-Sentinel, questioned whether he was qualified to fly the aircraft. Gabriel Penagaricano, a lawyer for the Morales family, dismissed any questions about Morales' flight record as "the words of a fool". He defended Morales as a "young man, totally dedicated to his profession ... [who] had set his sights on flying for one of the major airlines. In the meantime, he was doing what everybody else of his age and experience does, which is to fly for a charter operator in order to build up flying time." Penagaricano claimed Morales was "certainly" qualified to pilot a Cessna 402B.[46] Shortly before the crash, Morales was fired as a pilot from Golden Airlines in Florida for failing to appear at work.[2]

On August 28, 2001, U.S. aviation officials said that Morales had been hired by Blackhawk just two days before the crash, and was not authorized by the FAA to fly the aircraft for the operator. FAA records showed that Blackhawk was clear to fly aircraft under a single-pilot certificate. However, according to Kathleen Bergen, Morales was not on the name authorization papers.[47] Bergen did not identify the pilot who was on the papers, since "it would not be appropriate" to release it, but confirmed Morales was not qualified to fly the Cessna.[45] Morales's father addressed his son's death and responsibility in the crash: "Luis was responsible for nine lives - eight plus his own. Someone is going to have to respond for those eight lives. And someone is going to have to respond for his life to me."[15] He said he had spoken to his son in early August 2001 and the younger Morales related he was doing something he was passionate about.[44]

Lawsuits
The day of the crash was Morales' first official day with Blackhawk, an FAA Part 135 single-pilot operation. He was not registered with the FAA to fly for Blackhawk and, as a result of the accident, Aaliyah's parents filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the company, which was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.[48] Barry & Sons, Inc., a corporation formed in 1992 to develop, promote, and capitalize Aaliyah, and to oversee the production and distribution of her records and music videos, brought an unsuccessful lawsuit in the New York Supreme Court against Instinct Productions LLC, the company that was hired in August 2001 to produce the music video for "Rock the Boat". The case was dismissed because New York's wrongful death statute permits only certain people related to the deceased to recover damages for wrongful death.[49][50]

Family lawsuits
The families of Foreman and Dodd filed lawsuits against Virgin Records America, alleging the record label was negligent in chartering the aircraft that crashed, killing all the passengers.[51] The lawsuit noted that Blackhawk had been cited four times in the previous four years. At a news conference, attorney Brian Panish charged that the crash victims died instantly because Virgin Records America "put profits over people".[52] In less than a week, the relatives of Gallin sued Virgin Records America, claiming that the label, and its affiliated music and video production units, were liable for his death because they handled the arrangements for Aaliyah’s video shoot in the Bahamas. Gallin's relatives claimed that the label should have hired a “competent” transportation broker and air charter company, and that Blackhawk allowed the pilot to fly the aircraft even though he was unqualified, and took off with it dangerously overloaded.[53] Stuart Grossman represented the Gallin family during the lawsuit and reasoned that even the pilot did not want to take off because of overloading and called it "outrageous". He added: "This is a case of trying to put a size 12 foot in a size 10 shoe."[54]

Diane and Michael Haughton lawsuit
In May 2002, Aaliyah's parents filed a lawsuit, similar to those filed by the families of Foreman and Dodd, against Virgin Records America in Los Angeles, alleging negligence. Their lawsuit claimed that a "dangerous and unsafe configuration" of the Cessna was the cause of the crash and that it was the "wrong plane" for the charter flight; the litigation also asserted that Morales was not properly qualified to operate the aircraft. In addition to suing Virgin Records America, the lawsuit named Blackhawk International Airways, music video director Harold Williams, Instinct Productions, Big Dog House Films, Blackground Records LLC, and Skystream. An investigator for the Bahamian Civil Aviation Department stated neither Blackhawk or Skystream had a permit to operate commercial charter flights in the Bahamas.[55] In September 2003, the Haughtons' lawyers filed a notice in federal court that the case had been settled with an agreement to keep the monetary details confidential.[56]

Nassau funeral home
In August 2002, the funeral home that had prepared the crash victims' bodies publicly accused Virgin Records America of not paying its bill. Loretta Butler-Turner, of Butler's Funeral Homes and Crematorium in Nassau, told Time magazine that $68,000 was spent preparing the bodies and, at the time, Virgin executives Ken and Nancy Berry agreed to cover all expenses. At the time of Turner's announcement, the Berrys had left the record label. Turner tried to contact executives at Virgin Records, and appealed to the U.S. Embassy in Nassau for help, but failed to resolve the situation. "They have kept us waiting for nearly a year and have basically said, since the Berrys are no longer there, they have no responsibility to us," Turner stated. Although the funeral home did not take legal action, Turner did contact Robert Spragg, the Haughtons' lawyer. According to Spragg, the label also owed the Haughton family money for funeral costs, stating: "Those payments were never made to the family to reimburse those costs, and they were substantial".[57]

Turner spoke to E! Online news about the case and reflected on how events had unfolded. "Because Aaliyah was, in their words, 'high profile,' they asked us to expedite things. So we were working over the weekend to get the bodies out as quickly as possible," Turner said. "[The deal] was all verbal, but the truth of the matter is, [the Berrys] knew they were obliged. They contacted all of the families themselves, sent us all of the necessary information, and told us not to deal directly with the family members, that they would be responsible."[58] It was reported that Aaliyah's parents planned to file a lawsuit against Virgin Records America for not fulfilling its promise to pay Aaliyah's funeral expenses. Turner said she would hold on to the victims' death certificates, which were required before estates could be settled or lawsuits could be filed.[59]

Turner said she had been unsuccessful in contacting company executives by telephone calls, letters, and faxes. She said the funeral home had a good relationship with the U.S. Embassy, which, according to her, had supported a potential lawsuit against Virgin Records America since Butler's was a reputable company. "Now this reputable company (Virgin) has kept us waiting for nearly a year and have basically said, since the Berrys are no longer there, they have no responsibility to us. I don't know if they think we are some sort of Third-World banana republic and we're not up to scratch, but it just gives a pretty bad view of things in our view."[58]

Ruling on the lawsuit against Instinct Productions
In May 2004, a judge ruled that Blackground Entertainment, Aaliyah's record company, could sue Instinct Productions, which had provided transportation for the filming of "Rock the Boat." Blackground had filed a negligence lawsuit in civil court against Instinct Productions in November 2003. Instinct Productions argued that Blackground had no right to recover damages since Aaliyah was a company employee. But Judge Carol Edmead found that Aaliyah was also Blackground's chief asset. She wrote that the company's: "growth and prosperity were primarily the result of its efforts to successfully develop and nurture Aaliyah's career". She noted the company was founded in 1992 by Barry Hankerson for the sole purpose of promoting Aaliyah, who was thirteen at the time.[60]

Lees meer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Aaliyah
Nogal een aftermath :{

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0s.gif Op donderdag 6 december 2018 12:32 schreef SuperHartje het volgende:

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Nou weet niet of dat helemaal waar is hoor :D

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Drake :')

Maar het zou dus zo zijn dat haar toenmalige verloofde, Damon Dash :') , haar verzocht heeft eerder terug te komen. Want ze zou in 1e instantie later vertrekken.

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Nogal een aftermath :{
De vraag is dan meer: als specifiek zij geofferd moest worden, wat doen die onschuldigen eromheen dan met je offer?
  Moderator donderdag 6 december 2018 @ 13:48:23 #48
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De vraag is dan meer: als specifiek zij geofferd moest worden, wat doen die onschuldigen eromheen dan met je offer?
Bedoel je uit de video?
A child is born with no state of mind.
  Moderator donderdag 6 december 2018 @ 16:50:18 #49
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His Untimely Death

In the early morning hours on Oct. 31, 1993, tragedy struck when Phoenix died of a drug overdose after he collapsed on the sidewalk outside of the Viper Room in Los Angeles. Those present at the scene included his younger brother, Joaquin, and girlfriend, Samantha Mathis.

The disbelief of friends, fans and colleagues was expressed by Phoenix’s maternal grandmother, Margaret Dunetz, who, two days after her grandson’s death, was still unable to refer to him in the past tense. “I’m in shock,” she told PEOPLE at the time. “I can’t describe what a wonderful kid he is. I can’t understand why—how—it could happen.”

The young actor was apparently as susceptible to the pitfalls of fame as anyone else. Three years before his death, when his Stand by Me costar Corey Feldman was busted for possession of heroin, Phoenix said, “It makes you realize drugs aren’t just done by bad guys and sleazebags; it’s a universal
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River Phoenix knew he was experiencing an overdose from a deadly cocktail of cocaine and heroin the night of his death at Johnny Depp's Los Angeles nightclub claims a friend of the actor who was there that fateful evening.

As the world prepares to mark 20-years since the death of Phoenix at the tragically young age of 23, his friend and former Helonious Monster front-man Bob Forrest has revealed the harrowing last moments before the actor collapsed.

Unsteady on his feet and ghostly white, Forrest recalls how Phoenix turned to him on Halloween, 1993 and pleaded, 'I don't feel so good. I think I'm OD'ing' before he returned to the crowd to hear Depp's band play to only fall into a fit minutes later.

Describing Phoenix, the critically acclaimed star of Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade and Stand By Me, as a frustrated rock star, Forrest said that in the days leading up to his death he had fallen in with Red Hot Chili Peppers’ guitarist John Frusciante.

The two would take large amounts of drugs together, embarking on huge binges.

'River stayed with John for the next few days, and probably didn’t get a minute of sleep,' Forrest writes in his forthcoming book Running With Monsters according to The New York Post.

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Mr. Carrier said that it was not known how Mr. Phoenix had taken the cocaine and morphine but that no needle marks had been found on his body. Convulsions and Motionlessness
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Mr. Phoenix, who received critical praise for his sensitive acting, had been described as so dedicated to healthy living that he would not eat meat or dairy products. He had been on the cover of not only popular film magazines but also Vegetarian Times.

In a desperate 911 call on the night Mr. Phoenix died, his 19-year-old brother, Joaquin, raised the possibility that drugs were involved when he told a dispatcher that Mr. Phoenix "may have had Valium or something."

In that call, a tape recording of which was made available by the authorities and played at length on television stations here, Joaquin could be heard in a panicked voice pleading for help and describing Mr. Phoenix's convulsions, followed by a sudden lapse into motionlessness.

The actor was taken to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, about two miles from the nightclub, the Viper Room, which is partly owned by the singer and actor Johnny Depp. Mr. Phoenix arrived at the hospital in full cardiac arrest and was soon pronounced dead.

Mr. Carrier said today that the findings of the coroner, Lakshmanan Sathyavagiswaran, were being released immediately upon their determination because of public interest in the death and that no written reports of the toxicological tests were yet available.

"Working with the Sheriff's Department, they determined that no foul play was involved," Mr. Carrier said of the coroner's investigators. "No evidence of foul play is suspected by them at this point in their investigation. So with that in mind, we determined this to be an accidental death." 'No Needle Marks'

And Rich Erickson, a spokesman for the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, said that because there was no evidence of foul play, the case was closed.

Mr. Carrier, as well as experts on drugs, said that because of differing individual tolerances to drugs, it was impossible to determine how long before Mr. Phoenix died he had taken the morphine and cocaine that killed him, or exactly how much he had taken.

As for how Mr. Phoenix had taken the drugs, Mr. Carrier said: "There were no needle marks. Maybe it was ingested, maybe it was inhaled. How it was introduced into his body is unknown at this time."
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0s.gif Op maandag 19 november 2018 15:25 schreef LurkJeRot het volgende:
Aaliyah, verraden en opgeofferd als bloedoffer door haar vriendin Beyoncé en de illuminati zodat Beyoncé in haar plaats een superster kon worden.

Er zal waarschijnlijk een spannend verhaal rond geborduurd zijn maar je kop geeft de hele clue al weg en aangezien we met een arsenaal aan supersterren zitten denk ik niet dat Aaliyah ook maar iemand in de weg liep. Hoe meer supersterren hoe beter dat is voor de hele markt.
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Wat is hier verder fishy aan dan?
  Moderator zondag 16 december 2018 @ 20:38:02 #52
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Wat is hier verder fishy aan dan?
Was onduidelijk hoe de drugs in zijn lichaam is gekomen en is niet verder onderzocht.
Hierdoor zijn er verschillende theorieën rond zijn dood ontstaan. Ook dat dit gebeurde in de Viper Room en Depp zou zich vreemd hebben gedragen naderhand, maar dat is ook een conspiracy.

Zal binnenkort kijken wat ik hier nog over kan vinden. En wilde ook nog kijken naar de omstandigheden bij het overlijden van Brittany Murphy. En dat van Kurt Cobain is misschien ook wel interessant om wat meer uit de diepen en de feiten op een rijtje te zetten.
A child is born with no state of mind.
  Moderator zondag 16 december 2018 @ 21:18:41 #53
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Dit is bijv zo’n conspiracy link (River Phoenix): https://www.brainstain.co(...)oenix-drug-overdose/

Wordt hier ook beweerd dat hij abnormaal veel drugs in zijn lichaam had.
A child is born with no state of mind.
  Moderator maandag 17 december 2018 @ 06:10:50 #54
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Oh ja en het laatste interview van River Phoenix met David Letterman, zou ook speculatie hebben veroorzaakt. In dat interview sprak Phoenix zich uit tegen multi- nationals en grote coöperaties.
Maar dat interview zou nergens meer te vinden zijn:
Zijn meer mensen die beweren dat dit interview heeft plaatsgevonden.

Maar goed, ik weet niet of dit daadwerkelijk iets met zijn dood te maken heeft.
A child is born with no state of mind.
pi_183781352
Heb het een beetje doorgenomen, maar vind het in het geval van River Phoenix redelijk vergezocht allemaal. Drugs hoeft nou eenmaal niet via een naald je lichaam in te komen, cocaïne al helemáál niet. Kurt Cobain z'n hoofd lag er overigens af en die gozer was zwaar depressief en suicidiaal door zijn overmatige heroïnegebruik.

Chester Bennington komt me overigens wel fishy over, daar ga ik nog even wat energie in steken om het e.e.a. uit te zoeken.
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0s.gif Op maandag 17 december 2018 11:24 schreef illusions het volgende:
Heb het een beetje doorgenomen, maar vind het in het geval van River Phoenix redelijk vergezocht allemaal. Drugs hoeft nou eenmaal niet via een naald je lichaam in te komen, cocaïne al helemáál niet. Kurt Cobain z'n hoofd lag er overigens af en die gozer was zwaar depressief en suicidiaal door zijn overmatige heroïnegebruik.
Inderdaad. En het is vaak een molen van zorgen en het willen oplossen met verdovende middelen.

In Amerika vielen weinig werkende middelen als drop, "drugs" als in medicijnen en hard drugs ooit onder dezelfde noemer van 'drugs' als medicijn. Tot men erachter kwam dat soortgelijken als drop e.d. niet zo heel veel deden en bepaalde hard drugs verdoving brachten maar ook een slopende verslaving tot gevolg had.

Vele sterren lijden een ongezond leven van lange dagen, stress en korte nachten wat voor depressies kan zorgen. Dan meent men dat de hard drugs ze op de been houdt en die illusie geeft het ze ook even. Maar in werkelijkheid brand je je hersenen in korte tijd naar de kloten en daarom worden sterren die hun tijd en leven niet goed managen vaak niet oud.

Men heeft het weleens over sterren die hun dood gefaked zouden hebben. Hoewel ik er niet zo sterk in geloof zou ik dat in het gebied van 'theoretisch mogelijk' willen gooien. Ik kan me namelijk best voorstellen dat velen uit de rat race zouden willen stappen en als onbekende van het pensioen willen genieten.

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Er was toch ooit een algemeen Verdachte sterfgevallen en ongelukken-topic hier in BNW?

Al was dat, met het sluiten van MIS, de laatste jaren geheel gekaapt en ondergesneeuwd door die Fok!huisvrouwendetectives die zich alleen maar met die Nederlandse meisjes in Panama bezig hielden.
Perhaps you've seen it, maybe in a dream.
A murky, forgotten land.
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0s.gif Op maandag 17 december 2018 12:03 schreef StateOfMind het volgende:
Er was toch ooit een algemeen Verdachte sterfgevallen en ongelukken-topic hier in BNW?

Al was dat, met het sluiten van MIS, de laatste jaren geheel gekaapt en ondergesneeuwd door die Fok!huisvrouwendetectives die zich alleen maar met die Nederlandse meisjes in Panama bezig hielden.
En er volgens mij allemaal naast zaten.
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En er volgens mij allemaal naast zaten.
Doodzonde dat zij die topicreeks naar de kloten hebben geholpen, want dat ging niet alleen maar over verdachte sterfgevallen van celebs (zoals dit topic), maar ook over klokkenluiders e.d. :Y
Perhaps you've seen it, maybe in a dream.
A murky, forgotten land.
pi_183784846
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0s.gif Op maandag 17 december 2018 12:03 schreef StateOfMind het volgende:
Er was toch ooit een algemeen Verdachte sterfgevallen en ongelukken-topic hier in BNW?

Al was dat, met het sluiten van MIS, de laatste jaren geheel gekaapt en ondergesneeuwd door die Fok!huisvrouwendetectives die zich alleen maar met die Nederlandse meisjes in Panama bezig hielden.
Klopt dat het op een gegeven moment alleen nog maar ging over de Panamazaak. Of de volgens jou 'FOK_huisvrouwen' de boel ondergesneeuwd hebben weet ik niet. Die kwalificatie is een beetje neerbuigend.

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En er volgens mij allemaal naast zaten.
Zou best kunnen.
  Moderator dinsdag 18 december 2018 @ 17:28:46 #61
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Doodzonde dat zij die topicreeks naar de kloten hebben geholpen, want dat ging niet alleen maar over verdachte sterfgevallen van celebs (zoals dit topic), maar ook over klokkenluiders e.d. :Y
Deze? BNW / Mysterieuze reeks moorden en ongelukken #6
Heeft net een kickje gehad.

Misschien beter om dat gescheiden te houden wel :)
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  dinsdag 18 december 2018 @ 17:29:34 #62
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Archbishop of Banterbury
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Een verdachte sterfgevallen topic zou je zelfs helemaal aan de Clintons kunnen wijden.
Emotionele exclusiviteit monogamie-adept
  Moderator dinsdag 18 december 2018 @ 17:39:12 #63
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 18 december 2018 17:29 schreef Kaneelstokje het volgende:
Een verdachte sterfgevallen topic zou je zelfs helemaal aan de Clintons kunnen wijden.
Je bedoelt de Clinton body count- theorie? Dat verdient misschien wel een eigen topic :D
A child is born with no state of mind.
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Een verdachte sterfgevallen topic zou je zelfs helemaal aan de Clintons kunnen wijden.
Verras ons _O-
ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
  Moderator donderdag 24 januari 2019 @ 14:05:02 #65
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Over Kurt Cobain

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Kurt Cobain murder conspiracy theorist Richard Lee sent Alternative Nation the following ‘press release’ yesterday following the Seattle Police Department releasing new photos of the shotgun Kurt Cobain used to commit suicide in April 1994, debunking many murder conspiracy theories. Lee’s opinions do not reflect the views of Alternative Nation.

SHOTGUN SECRETS REVEALED:




SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT RELEASES FIVE NEW PHOTOS OF NEVER-BEFORE-SEEN KURT COBAIN GUN, DEMONSTRATING SPD’S PROPENSITY TO HIDE EVIDENCE UNTIL COMPELLED TO SHOW THEIR CARDS

“The release of the five photos of the shotgun in the Kurt Cobain homicide case provides crystal-clear proof of one thing above all else—that the Seattle Police Department has its own culture of cover-ups and secrecy, which they generally consider unaccountable to the law,” says Seattle journalist Richard Lee. “Obviously,” says Lee, who is currently pursuing a lawsuit to gain release of all documents in the Cobain case, “Seattle police officials have gotten nervous about the existence of the shotgun in their possession, and did not want to give me credit for such a discovery, especially if this was something that was to slip out in the course of my pre-trial investigation.

“As someone who began making formal requests for documents just a few days after Cobain’s death, SPD’s admission that they still possess the gun is long overdue, by almost 22 years,” says Lee. The gun was long believed to have been destroyed shortly after widow Courtney Love’s announcement in April of 1994 that it was to be donated to an anti-violence charity group which reportedly would melt down the weapon.

Lee continues, “No one should see the SPD’s remarkably long possession of this historical object as related to any legitimate investigative purpose. They declared the case closed on day one, April 8, 1994, and then did some cursory information gathering to prevent any allegations that they did absolutely nothing. It might be tempting to assume this to be careful preservation of evidence, but I assure you, that is absolutely not the case. Obviously, SPD has never made any slight indication, including today, that those are their motives. Other key evidence, such as the so-called suicide note, was given back to Courtney Love almost immediately.

“I honestly feel that the main reason for SPD keeping the shotgun is its monetary value as a famous or infamous weapon. Ever since Jack Ruby’s Colt .38 sold at auction for $220,000 in 1991, you can bet those with control over police evidence rooms have known that a famous crime gun is very desirable, and no factors of good taste need to be considered. The only real trick for coppers looking to score a choice bit of crime memorabilia is creating a paper trail that demonstrates that the object was unwanted, unclaimed, and destined for the trash. To date, apparently no one at SPD has had the nerve to concoct a scenario that would allow them to walk away with it, but don’t count them out yet.

“It was just a few months ago that we issued a press release about a lock of Cobain’s hair up for sale at a major memorabilia auction, arguing that the hair was related to Cobain’s homicide and was very possibly stolen property at one time. The sparse news coverage of our objections seems to have resulted in a last-minute pull of the item from the auction, a significant financial setback for someone, especially when you consider that a sweater worn by Cobain went for $140,800 on the same day.”

Lee received five black-and-white images through email from the Seattle City Attorney yesterday, with no indication that the images were to be made public, although the SPD Blotter website now shows all five photos in color, with this very brief explanation that seems to give the posting as originating two days ago (although directly above the photos SPD says the posting was yesterday):

Update 3/15/2016: The department is releasing five additional photographs of the firearm, taken on or about June 11, 2015. These photos were placed on the City’s computer system on March 3, 2016, and added to the investigative file shortly thereafter. They are now viewable in a gallery at the bottom of this post.

“SPD is saying nothing else, and has refused comment to the sole news organization that did a story so far today, CBS online, so we can expect that they will have nothing further to say for now,” says Lee.

“Nevertheless,” Lee says, “a few points about the photos should be made now, in addition to the obvious factor of the bizarre and illegal procedures by SPD.

· “I was not surprised at the general appearance of the gun, having seen what was called a twin example at the gun shop where the Cobain weapon was purchased in 1994. One element that did surprise is the inclusion of a choke tube extension at the end of the barrel, which its twin did not have. This raises questions about the ease of turning such a weapon into the face of a holder. In the photos, the gun now appears about 6 inches longer than I expected, and SPD Detective Mike Ciesynski does not deliberately strike a pose allowing for consideration of a “turn to face” measurement. But just look at the overall length in Ciesynski’s hands and you can see the problem—this is now a very long gun. If the trigger area is adjusted to be around his belt line, the end of the barrel is slightly above his head. A simple photo using a yardstick against the gun could have been included, but was not.

· “SPD long ago declared that the inspection of the gun yielded no usable fingerprints, according to one SPD official, due to a so-called ‘jerking motion’ occurring when Cobain supposedly pulled the trigger. Any hope that the object has been treated delicately ever since then is dashed by Ciesynski’s manhandling of the gun in the photos, which make him look less like a investigator than a proud owner. Rubber gloves aren’t magic, obviously, they can smear old fingerprints and/or residues (see footnote below).

· “The serial number stamped in metal on the gun matches the one on the receipt from the gun shop, which I won release of in 1994. So this appears to be the correct gun, although there are many rusty areas, especially in the loading slot and the choke tube, which make the gun look as if it has been improperly stored, not even sealed up in plastic, and perhaps stowed away in a secret, damp, dirty place. This is very odd, and seems to let SPD off the hook in terms of the gun being a potential source of biological evidence that should be there, such as blood spatter or mist, if the gun was ever really fired at all in 1994.”

Lee concludes, “After all these years of telling the public they had released all that could be released and had been fully forthcoming in every possible way, it is now obvious that the Seattle Police Department has been deceiving the public about its possession of a key piece of evidence, which, perhaps not coincidentally, has a value as a historical prize which we should assume is in the six figures at auction. So much for all that public relations rot about transparency at the SPD.”

FOOTNOTE: To quote a fairly random internet source on this: “Very old fingerprints may have lost all of their volatile residues, but the sodium chloride residue remains. Silver nitrate has been used successfully to develop latent prints that are years, decades, even centuries old. “
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update&foto's

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  Moderator donderdag 14 maart 2019 @ 14:19:45 #66
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Je had toen die geruchten over de Poltergeist films.

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EXCLUSIVE: 'We were like a real brother and sister.' Poltergeist star speaks out on the most CURSED movie of all time that saw one child actress dead of cardiac arrest at age 12 and another strangled - as film reboot set to open
•Oliver Robbins played Robbie Freeling in the 1982 cult classic horror film
•He was the terrified brother of Heather O'Rourke, the girl possessed by an evil spirit residing in their family's TV set
•A series of tragic and bizarre events earned Poltergeist the reputation of being cursed
•Dominique Dunne, 22, was strangled by her boyfriend in the driveway of her West Hollywood home
•Lou Perryman was killed with an ax by an ex-convict in his own Austin, Texas home
•Spielberg's fear of clowns and scary looking trees inspired him to write creepy scenes for Robins' character
•The producer drew diagrams for Oliver to help him visualize scenes
https://www.dailymail.co.(...)reboot-set-open.html
Heather O'Rourke was het meest besproken.


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•Heather was acting in the eighties and she was not yet a tween, had hit films and television appearances / this matches
•ENT LAWYER claims this girl was first molested at 5 or 6, Heather was discovered by Steven Speilberg and had her first acting role at the age of 5 in a show called Fanatasy Island / this matches
•The exact television show set that these events occured on can not be verified 100% but the clues seem to lead to "Rocky Road" as it was filmed in the same studio as jeopardy (which is still running today) and Pewee Herman (who is alluded to for being busted masturbating in a theater) /this matches or at least makes sense
•A medic needed to be called because something had been instered into the girl which ended up eventually killing her / this could match as Heather died of bowel problems
http://humansarefree.com/(...)-of-poltergeist.html
De officiële doodsverklaring is de ziekte van Crohn.
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Illness and death

Inscription at O'Rourke's crypt
O'Rourke became ill with giardiasis in early 1987 and was later diagnosed as having Crohn's disease. She was prescribed a steroid to treat the disease during the time she was filming Poltergeist III.[18] On January 31, 1988, she began vomiting. The next morning she collapsed; she suffered cardiac arrest en route to the hospital and died later that day after surgery to repair an acute bowel obstruction caused by congenital stenosis of the intestine[19] complicated by septic shock.[4][20] She was entombed at Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heather_O%27Rourke


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  Moderator woensdag 24 juli 2019 @ 18:36:14 #67
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pi_188098088
Vandaag in dr Phil ging het over de mysterieuze dood van Natalie Wood. Morgen verder.
Zal morgen eens kijken of ik de afleveringen kan linken.

[ Bericht 26% gewijzigd door SuperHartje op 24-07-2019 18:46:19 ]
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1s.gif Op donderdag 24 januari 2019 14:05 schreef SuperHartje het volgende:
Over Kurt Cobain
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update&foto's
Een complot mbt Kurt Cobain valt nog zo goed te onderbouwen maar een lied als Polly ademt eigenlijk al z'n einde. Ik meende altijd dat het over een papegaai ging maar het gaat over de verkrachting van een meisje door de ogen van de verkrachter, gebasseerd op een waargebeurd verhaal. Nu de lyrics terugluisterend met deze kennis snijdt zoiets door je ziel en dat moet ook meerdere malen hemzelf geknakt hebben.

Die man steunde daarnaast gevallenen zonder er exposure aan te geven en vond het mediacircus niets. Daarnaast vond hij dat ze sellouts waren geworden met Nevermind en daarna.

Hij droeg figuurlijk de wereld op z'n rug en ging empathisch te diep in werelden van ellende waar je jezelf gewoon niet in moet bewegen wil je je niet per dag in een depressie storten.
  Moderator dinsdag 30 juli 2019 @ 18:39:24 #69
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pi_188207816
Dr. Phil aflevering is terug te zien op RTLXL volgens mij.
Beetje sensationeel, maar toch wel interessant artikel erover: https://www.google.nl/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1304231002
A child is born with no state of mind.
  Moderator vrijdag 12 juni 2020 @ 21:08:31 #70
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Over Heath Ledgers dood is er ook wat onduidelijkheid. In de RTLZ docu, Hoe het echt gebeurd is, komt de zaak van Ledger naar voren.
Echte antwoorden krijgen we niet, maar wel wat meer belichting.

https://m.facebook.com/rtlz/videos/1482801758482498/

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At about 3:00 pm (EST), on 22 January 2008, Ledger was found unconscious in his bed by his housekeeper, Teresa Solomon, and his masseuse, Diana Wolozin, in his loft at 421 Broome Street in the SoHo neighborhood of Manhattan.[7][5]

According to the police, Wolozin, who had arrived early for a 3:00 pm appointment with Ledger, called Ledger's friend Mary-Kate Olsen for help. Olsen, who was in California, directed a New York City private security guard to go to the scene. At 3:26 pm, "less than 15 minutes after she first saw him in bed and only a few moments after the first call to Ms. Olsen", Wolozin telephoned 9-1-1 "to say that Mr. Ledger was not breathing". At the urging of the 9-1-1 operator, Wolozin administered CPR, which was unsuccessful in reviving him.[88]

Paramedics and emergency medical technicians arrived seven minutes later, at 3:33 pm ("at almost exactly the same moment as a private security guard summoned by Ms. Olsen") but were also unable to revive him.[7][88][89] At 3:36 pm, Ledger was pronounced dead, and his body was removed from the apartment.[7][88]

Autopsy and toxicology report
On 6 February 2008, the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner of New York released its conclusions. Those conclusions were based on an initial autopsy that occurred 23 January 2008 and a subsequent complete toxicological analysis.[8][90][91] The report concluded that Ledger died "as the result of acute intoxication by the combined effects of oxycodone, hydrocodone, diazepam, temazepam, alprazolam and doxylamine". It added: "We have concluded that the manner of death is accident, resulting from the abuse of prescribed medications."[8][10]

While the medications found in the toxicological analysis may be prescribed in the United States for insomnia, anxiety, pain, or common cold symptoms (doxylamine), the vast majority of physicians in the U.S. are extremely reluctant to prescribe multiple benzodiazepines (e.g., diazepam, alprazolam, and temazepam) to a single patient, let alone to prescribe such medications to a patient already taking a mix of oxycodone and hydrocodone. Although the Associated Press and other media reported that police had estimated that Ledger's death had occurred between 1 pm and 2:45 pm" on 22 January 2008,[92] the Medical Examiner's Office announced that it would not publicly disclose the official estimated time of death.[93][94] The official announcement of the cause and manner of Ledger's death heightened concerns about the growing problems of prescription drug abuse or misuse and combined drug intoxication (CDI).[9][91][95]

In 2017, Jason Payne-James, a forensic pathologist, asserted that Ledger might have survived if hydrocodone and oxycodone had been left out of the combination of drugs that the actor took just prior to his death.[96]

Federal investigation
Late in February 2008, a DEA investigation of medical professionals relating to Ledger's death exonerated two American physicians, who practice in Los Angeles and Houston, of any wrongdoing, determining that "the doctors in question had prescribed Ledger other medications – not the pills that killed him."[97][98]

On 4 August 2008, citing unnamed sources, Murray Weiss, of the New York Post, first reported that Mary-Kate Olsen had "refused [through her attorney, Michael C. Miller] to be interviewed by federal investigators probing the accidental drug death of her close friend Heath Ledger ... [without] ... immunity from prosecution" and that, when asked about the matter, Miller at first declined further comment.[99][100] Later that day, after the police confirmed the gist of Weiss's account to the Associated Press, Miller issued a statement denying that Olsen supplied Ledger with the drugs causing his death and asserting that she did not know their source.[101][102] In his statement, Miller said specifically, "Despite tabloid speculation, Mary-Kate Olsen had nothing whatsoever to do with the drugs found in Heath Ledger's home or his body, and she does not know where he obtained them," emphasizing that media "descriptions [attributed to an unidentified source] are incomplete and inaccurate."[103]

After a flurry of further media speculation, on 6 August 2008, the US Attorney's Office in Manhattan closed its investigation into Ledger's death without filing any charges and rendering moot its subpoena of Olsen.[104][105] With the clearing of the two doctors and Olsen, and the closing of the investigation because the prosecutors in the Manhattan US Attorney's Office "don't believe there's a viable target," it is still not known how Ledger obtained the oxycodone and hydrocodone in the lethal drug combination that killed him.[105][106]

Effect on fans
Eleven months after Ledger's death, on 23 December 2008, Jake Coyle, writing for the Associated Press, announced that "Heath Ledger's death was voted 2008's top entertainment story by U.S. newspaper and broadcast editors surveyed by The Associated Press". He claimed that this was partially a result of the "shock and confusion" surrounding the circumstances of Ledger's death, as well as due to Ledger's "legacy [...] in a roundly acclaimed performance as the Joker in the year's biggest box office hit The Dark Knight".[107]

Controversy over wil
After Ledger's death, in response to some press reports about his will, filed in New York City on 28 February 2008,[108][109] and his daughter's access to his financial legacy, his father, Kim Ledger, said that he considered the financial well-being of Heath's daughter Matilda Rose an "absolute priority", whilst also stating that her mother, Michelle Williams, was "an integral part of our family". He added, "They will be taken care of and that's how Heath would want it to be".[110] Some of Ledger's relatives may be challenging the legal status of his will signed in 2003, prior to his involvement with Williams and the birth of their daughter and not updated to include them, which divides half of his estate between his parents and half among his siblings; they claim that there is a second, unsigned will, which leaves most of that estate to Matilda Rose.[111][112] Williams' father, Larry Williams, has also joined the controversy about Ledger's will as it was filed in New York City soon after his death.[113]

On 31 March 2008, stimulating another controversy pertaining to Ledger's estate, Gemma Jones and Janet Fife-Yeomans published an "Exclusive" report, in The Daily Telegraph, citing Ledger's uncle Haydn Ledger and other family members, who "believe the late actor may have fathered a secret love child" when he was 17, and stating that "If it is confirmed that Ledger is the girl's biological father, it could split his multi-million dollar estate between ... Matilda Rose ... and his secret love child."[114][115][116] A few days later, reports citing telephone interviews with Ledger's uncles Haydn and Mike Ledger and the family of the other little girl, published in OK! and Us Weekly, "denied" those "claims", with Ledger's uncles and the little girl's mother and stepfather describing them as unfounded "rumors" distorted and exaggerated by the media.[117][118]

On 15 July 2008, Fife-Yeomans reported further, via Australian News Limited, that "While Ledger left everything to his parents and three sisters, it is understood they have legal advice that under Western Australia law, Matilda Rose is entitled to the lion's share" of his estate; its executors, Kim Ledger's former business colleague Robert John Collins and Geraldton accountant William Mark Dyson, "have applied for probate in the West Australian Supreme Court in Perth, advertising for 'creditors and other persons' having claims on the estate to lodge them by 11 August 2008 ... to ensure all debts are paid before the estate is distributed...."[119] According to this report by Fife-Yeomans, earlier reports citing Ledger's uncles,[110] and subsequent reports citing Ledger's father, which do not include his actual posthumous earnings, "his entire fortune, mostly held in Australian trusts, is likely to be worth up to $20 million."[119][120][121]

On 27 September 2008, Ledger's father Kim stated that "the family has agreed to leave the US$16.3 million fortune to Matilda," adding: "There is no claim. Our family has gifted everything to Matilda."[120][121] In October 2008, Forbes estimated Ledger's annual earnings from October 2007 through October 2008 – including his posthumous share of The Dark Knight's gross income of "US$1 billion in box office revenue worldwide" – as "US$20 million".[122]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_Ledger
Voor zover ik weet gelooft de familie van Ledger niet in de zelfmoord- analyse.
A child is born with no state of mind.
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 12 juni 2020 21:08 schreef SuperHartje het volgende:
Over Heath Ledgers dood is er ook wat onduidelijkheid. In de RTLZ docu, Hoe het echt gebeurd is, komt de zaak van Ledger naar voren.
Echte antwoorden krijgen we niet, maar wel wat meer belichting.

https://m.facebook.com/rtlz/videos/1482801758482498/
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Voor zover ik weet gelooft de familie van Ledger niet in de zelfmoord- analyse.
Interessant, maar klinkt een beetje als pulp eerlijk gezegd. De insinuatie is dus dat hij is overleden aan een overdosis, of zou er meer achter zitten?
  Moderator vrijdag 12 juni 2020 @ 21:31:03 #72
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 12 juni 2020 21:19 schreef illusions het volgende:

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Interessant, maar klinkt een beetje als pulp eerlijk gezegd. De insinuatie is dus dat hij is overleden aan een overdosis, of zou er meer achter zitten?
Ja combi van medicijnen/ drugs.

Hij woonde destijds met Mary-Kate Olsen en de werkster vond hem. Samen met de masseuse die een afspraak met Ledger had en die Mary-Kate inlichtte.

Ja op het 1e gezicht niet echt hele onlogische omstandigheden, maar wel een docu die ik de moeite waard vond.
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