Turkse politie denkt dat verdwenen journalist is vermoord in consulaat

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Op woensdag 10 oktober 2018 13:43 schreef Bocaj het volgende:

Het lijk werd onmiddellijk na de moord in stukken gezaagd met een speciaal meegenomen beenderzaag.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/(...)-op-last-koningshuis

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Op dinsdag 16 oktober 2018 10:14 schreef Peunage het volgende:

Hoop dat Turkije in ieder geval hier een paar honderd miljard uit kan trekken en MBS helemaal leegmelken.

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Erdogan: consulaat overgeschilderd

ANKARA - Delen van het consulaat in Istanbul, waar de Saoedische journalist Jamal Khassogi van de aardbodem is verdwenen, zijn overgeschilderd. Dat zegt de Turkse president Erdogan. De Turkse politie heeft onderzoek in het consulaat gedaan en heeft ook gezocht naar chemische stoffen.

Welke delen van het consulaat precies zijn overgeschilderd, zei Erdogan niet.

Erdogan trekt nog geen conclusies over wat zich in het gebouw heeft afgespeeld.

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kylegriffin1 twitterde op dinsdag 16-10-2018 om 15:20:34 Lindsey Graham: MBS is a "wrecking ball" who had Khashoggi murdered, he's "toxic" and he's "gotta go.""This guy is a wrecking ball, he had this guy murdered in a consulate in Turkey, and to expect me to ignore it, I feel used and abused." (via Fox) https://t.co/aUnZQzsdb8 reageer retweet

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said on Tuesday that he would "sanction the hell out of Saudi Arabia" in response to the disappearance of a U.S.-based journalist.

"It's up to the president," Graham told Fox News's "Fox and Friends," asked what President Trump should do. "I know what I'm going to do, I'm going to sanction the hell out of Saudi Arabia."

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Op dinsdag 16 oktober 2018 16:22 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:
onomstotelijk bewijs:

https://www.nu.nl/buitenl(...)sulaat-vermoord.html

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Op dinsdag 16 oktober 2018 16:55 schreef nixxx het volgende:

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Vind je het erg als ik het bewijs eerst even wil zien? Ik bedoel maar dat de Turkse gevangenissen vol zitten met militairen, rechters en leraren waartegen ook “onomstotelijk bewijs” is....

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Op dinsdag 16 oktober 2018 17:04 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:

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Het probleem is, en dat snap ik dan weer wel, dan het laten zien van bewijs ook bepaalde spionage/onderzoeks technieken kan vrijgeven. Bv wat als dat bewijs gewoon videobeeld is.

Dat SA al schuifelt van "we hadden er niets mee te maken" naar "misschien is hij iets te hardhandig ondervraagt" geeft toch wel aan dat ze schuldig zijn.

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Op zondag 7 oktober 2018 12:25 schreef SpecialK het volgende:
Wat een griezelverhaal.

Gelukkig hebben we een mensenrechtenraad in de VN om dit allemaal netjes uit te zoeken.

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Op dinsdag 16 oktober 2018 16:07 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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kylegriffin1 twitterde op dinsdag 16-10-2018 om 15:20:34 Lindsey Graham: MBS is a "wrecking ball" who had Khashoggi murdered, he's "toxic" and he's "gotta go.""This guy is a wrecking ball, he had this guy murdered in a consulate in Turkey, and to expect me to ignore it, I feel used and abused." (via Fox) https://t.co/aUnZQzsdb8 reageer retweet

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https://thehill.com/blogs(...)-arabia-over-missing

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ISTANBUL — One of the suspects identified by Turkey in the disappearance of the Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi was a frequent companion of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman — seen disembarking from airplanes with him in Paris and Madrid and photographed standing guard during his visits this year to Houston, Boston and the United Nations.

Three others are linked by witnesses and other records to the Saudi crown prince’s security detail.

A fifth is a forensic doctor who holds senior positions in the Saudi Interior Ministry and medical establishment, a figure of such stature that he could be directed only by a high-ranking Saudi authority.

If, as the Turkish authorities say, these men were present at the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul where Mr. Khashoggi disappeared on Oct. 2, they might provide a direct link between what happened and Prince Mohammed. That would undercut any suggestion that Mr. Khashoggi died in a rogue operation unsanctioned by the crown prince. Their connection to him could also make it more difficult for the White House and Congress to accept such an explanation.

How much blame for Mr. Khashoggi’s disappearance or death settles on the 33-year-old crown prince has become a decisive factor in his standing in the eyes of the West and within the royal family.

The prince has presented himself as a reformer intent on opening up the kingdom’s economy and culture, and has used that image to try to influence White House policy in the region and to woo Western investors to help diversify the Saudi economy.

But the international revulsion at the reported assassination and mutilation of a single newspaper columnist — Mr. Khashoggi, who wrote for The Washington Post — has already sullied that image far more than previous missteps by the crown prince, from miring his country in a catastrophic war in Yemen to kidnapping the prime minister of Lebanon.

The crown prince and his father, King Salman, have denied any knowledge of Mr. Khashoggi’s whereabouts, repeatedly asserting that he left the consulate freely. Saudi officials did not respond to requests for comment for this article.

But in the last few days, as major American businesses and media companies have withdrawn from a marquee investment conference in Riyadh, the United States, Turkey and Saudi Arabia appear to have been searching for a face-saving way out.
The royal court was expected to acknowledge for the first time that Mr. Khashoggi was killed in the consulate, and to blame a rogue operation conducted without the direct knowledge of the crown prince, according to a person familiar with the Saudi plans. The Saudis, this person said, will hold accountable an intelligence official who received approval from the crown prince to capture and interrogate Mr. Khashoggi but killed him instead.

On Monday, after speaking with King Salman, President Trump floated the possibility that Mr. Khashoggi was the victim of “rogue killers.”

But such explanations would run up against a host of hard-to-explain obstacles.

The suspects’ positions in the Saudi government and the links of several to the crown prince could make it more difficult to absolve him of responsibility. And the presence of a forensic doctor who specializes in autopsies suggests the operation may have had a lethal intent from the start.

Turkish officials have said they possess evidence that a team of 15 Saudi agents flew into Istanbul on Oct. 2, assassinated Mr. Khashoggi, dismembered his body with a bone saw they had brought for the purpose, and flew out the same day. They said Mr. Khashoggi was killed within two hours of his arrival at the consulate. That would hardly have allowed time for an interrogation to go awry.

Turkish officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss confidential intelligence, have said that all 15 suspects are Saudi security officers, intelligence agents or government employees.

Records show that two private jets chartered by a Saudi company with close ties to the Saudi crown prince and Interior Ministry arrived and left Istanbul on the day of Mr. Khashoggi’s disappearance. Turkish officials have said some of the 15 suspects arrived and left on those jets.

The New York Times has confirmed independently that at least nine of the 15 worked for the Saudi security services, military or other government ministries.

The Times gathered more information about the suspects using facial recognition software, publicly available records, social media profiles, a database of Saudi cellphone numbers, Saudi news reports, leaked Saudi government documents and in some cases the accounts of witnesses in Saudi Arabia and countries the crown prince has visited.

One suspect, Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb, was a diplomat assigned to the Saudi Embassy in London in 2007, according to a British diplomatic roster. He has also traveled extensively with the crown prince, perhaps as a bodyguard.

Mr. Mutreb was photographed emerging from airplanes with Prince Mohammed on recent trips to Madrid and Paris. He was also photographed in Houston, Boston and the United Nations during the crown prince’s visits there, often glowering as he surveyed a crowd.

A French professional who has worked with the Saudi royal family identified a second suspect, Abdulaziz Mohammed al-Hawsawi, as a member of the security team that travels with the crown prince.

A Saudi news outlet reported that someone with the same name as a third suspect, Thaar Ghaleb al-Harbi, was promoted last year to the rank of lieutenant in the Saudi royal guard for bravery in the defense of Prince Mohammed’s palace in Jeddah.
A fourth suspect traveled with a passport bearing the name of another member of the royal guard, Muhammed Saad Alzahrani. A search of the name in Menom3ay, an app popular in Saudi Arabia that allows users to see the names other users have associated with certain phone numbers, identified him as a member of the royal guard. A guard wearing a name tag with that name appears in a video from 2017 standing next to Prince Mohammed.

Members of the royal guard or aides who traveled with the crown prince might have been recruited for an expedition to capture or interrogate Mr. Khashoggi, perhaps led by a senior intelligence official. But the presence among the suspects of an autopsy expert, Dr. Salah al-Tubaigy, suggests that killing might have been part of the original plan.

Dr. Tubaigy, who maintained a presence on several social media platforms, identified himself on his Twitter account as the head of the Saudi Scientific Council of Forensics and held lofty positions in the kingdom’s premier medical school as well as in its Interior Ministry. He studied at the University of Glasgow and in 2015 he spent three months in Australia as a visiting forensic pathologist at the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine. His published writings include works on dissection and mobile autopsies.

Although there is no public record of a relationship between him and the royal court, such a senior figure in the Saudi medical establishment was unlikely to join a rogue expedition organized by an underling.

Dr. Tubaigy, whose name first appeared among reports of the suspects several days ago, has not publicly addressed the allegations. None of the suspects could be reached for comment.

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Op dinsdag 16 oktober 2018 20:26 schreef havanagila het volgende:
Had Rusland eens moeten flikken.

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Op woensdag 17 oktober 2018 09:33 schreef RapaNui het volgende:
Een aantal door Turkije geïdentificeerde verdachten in de zaak van de vermiste Saoedische journalist Jamal Khashoggi komen volgens The New York Times uit de directe omgeving van de Saoedische kroonprins Mohammed bin Salman
https://www.nu.nl/buitenl(...)-omgeving-prins.html


The Jamal Khashoggi Case: Suspects Had Ties to Saudi Crown Prince
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A fifth is a forensic doctor who holds senior positions in the Saudi Interior Ministry and medical establishment, a figure of such stature that he could be directed only by a high-ranking Saudi authority.
https://www.nytimes.com/2(...)gi-saudi-prince.html

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Op woensdag 17 oktober 2018 08:26 schreef Za het volgende:

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Dan zouden er van alle kanten al daags na de moord sancties zijn afgekondigd, ambassadeurs uitgezet, en het bij elke koffieautomaat het gesprek van de dag zijn.

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Op woensdag 17 oktober 2018 09:46 schreef Basp1 het volgende:

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En wij in Europa opeens weer een hoofdprijs bepalen voor gas uit Rusland. Maar het oliedreigwapen vanuit die schurkenstaat werkt voor de olie verslaafde VS nog steeds goed. Alhoewel een hoge olieprijs juist de investeringen in shale juist zou bevorderen en het voor de VS een goede deal zou kunnen zijn.

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Op dinsdag 16 oktober 2018 16:07 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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kylegriffin1 twitterde op dinsdag 16-10-2018 om 15:20:34 Lindsey Graham: MBS is a "wrecking ball" who had Khashoggi murdered, he's "toxic" and he's "gotta go.""This guy is a wrecking ball, he had this guy murdered in a consulate in Turkey, and to expect me to ignore it, I feel used and abused." (via Fox) https://t.co/aUnZQzsdb8 reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 17 oktober 2018 10:14 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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zware woorden van de senator, de emoties ogen ook oprecht, hoewel het ook deels zelfbescherming is natuurlijk, zoals hij zelf aangeeft "ive been their biggest defender on the floor of the US senate"

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Op dinsdag 16 oktober 2018 16:55 schreef nixxx het volgende:

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Vind je het erg als ik het bewijs eerst even wil zien? Ik bedoel maar dat de Turkse gevangenissen vol zitten met militairen, rechters en leraren waartegen ook “onomstotelijk bewijs” is....