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Op donderdag 12 januari 2017 21:23 schreef MrRatio het volgende:De protestanten uit die tijd dachten: de vijand van mijn vijand is mijn vriend. Hadden de protestanten daadwerkelijk de positie van de Armenen kunnen zien zouden deze wel realistischer denkbeelden ontwikkeld hebben.
Het ging verder en was meer dan de vijand van mijn vijand. Niet alleen werd er duidelijk in leuzen en symbolen de voorkeur aan de Turk gegeven maar werden ze ook geroemd als beter dan de Paus en Spaanse koning, de norm voor de Europese beschaving in die periode. Dus nee.
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Verovering van Constantinopel past in de geschiedenis van islam. Steeds meer verovering, zoals in gang gezet door de profeet himself. En nee, dat was geen rechtvaardigheid-ook al noemen moslims het zelf wel zo. Egypte werd "bevrijd" door de moslims in de 7 eeuw. Net als nu de val van Constantinopel gevierd wordt. Het zou net zoiets zijn als Japan feestelijk Pearl Harbor gaat herdenken, of de Duitsers Guernica met een grote verjaardagstaart en grote pullen bier.
Reken er maar op dat de als de Japanners of de Nazi's de de oorlogen hadden gewonnen dat ze het zouden vieren. Heb je er moeite mee om te vatten dat Istanbul een populair trekpleister was voor de omliggende rijken om in bezit te hebben vanwege de historische en geografische waarde?
Niet alleen de Turken en de moslims, maar vrijwel iedereen was uit op Istanbul:
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Turkic, Persian, Avar, Slavonic and Arab sieges
See also: Roman–Persian Wars, Arab–Byzantine wars, and Byzantine–Bulgarian wars
Siege of Constantinople (559), by the Kutrigurs, unsuccessful
Siege of Constantinople (626), by Avars, Slavs, and the Sassanid Persians, unsuccessful
Siege of Constantinople (674–678), by the Umayyad Caliphate, unsuccessful
Siege of Constantinople (717–718), by the Umayyad Caliphate, unsuccessful
Siege of Constantinople (813), by Krum of Bulgaria, unsuccessful
Rus' sieges
Siege of Constantinople (860), by the Rus', unsuccessful
Siege of Constantinople (907), by the Rus' in 904/907, unsuccessful
Siege of Constantinople (941), by the Rus', unsuccessful
Sieges and attacks during Byzantine civil wars
Siege of Constantinople (821–822), by rebel forces under Thomas the Slav
Siege of Constantinople (1047), by rebel forces under Leo Tornikios
Siege of Constantinople (1376), a 32-day siege by Andronikos IV Palaiologos with the support of the Ottoman Turks
Crusades
Main article: Fourth Crusade
Siege of Constantinople (1203), first siege by the Fourth Crusade, in which Alexius IV was able to usurp the throne after Alexius III fled to Thrace; objectives achieved and the siege lifted
Sack of Constantinople (1204), second siege by the Fourth Crusade, in which the Byzantines were overwhelmed and the city thoroughly sacked, successful
Nicaean sieges
Siege of Constantinople (1235), by Bulgarian and Nicaean forces, unsuccessful
A Nicaean attack on Constantinople is implied by George Akropolites's account for 1248, but no details are known
Siege of Constantinople (1260), by the Empire of Nicaea, unsuccessful
In 1261, a small force of Nicaean troops under Alexios Strategopoulos gained entry into the poorly defended Latin capital, ending the Latin Empire and restoring Byzantine rule to the City. Most Latin troops defending the city were absent on campaign, and the Emperor fled without putting up any resistance; there was no siege.
Ottoman sieges
Main article: Rise of the Ottoman Empire
An Ottoman blockade between 1390 and 1402, first interrupted by the Crusade of Nicopolis, then lifted due to the Battle of Ankara
Siege of Constantinople (1411), a short Ottoman siege that occurred during the Ottoman Interregnum, unsuccessful
Siege of Constantinople (1422), the first large-scale siege of the city by the Ottomans, unsuccessful
Fall of Constantinople in 1453, after an Ottoman siege, successful
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sieges_of_ConstantinopleHet was veroveren of veroverd worden. Dat doen rijken eenmaal, er is geen rijk te benoemen die niet afweek van de norm, wanneer het moslims zijn die het deden is het natuurlijk wel extra boehoe, cool.
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"The Turks put the city to sword as they came, and everyone they found in their way they slashed with their scimitars, women and men, old and young, of every condition, and this slaughter continued from dawn until midday. Those Italian merchants who escaped hid in caves under the ground, but they were found by the Turks, and were all taken captive and sold as slaves. When those of the Turkish fleet saw with their own eyes that the Christians had lost Constantinople, that the flag of Sultan Mehmed had been hoisted over the highest tower in the city, and that the emperor's flags had been cut down and lowered, then all those in the seventy galleys went ashore . . .
"They sought out the convents and all the nuns were taken to the ships and abused and dishonored by the Turks, and they were all sold at auction as slaves to be taken to Turkey, and similarly the young women were all dishonored and sold at auction; some preferred to throw themselves into wells and drown in order to avoid being gang-raped by Turkish soldiers.
"These Turks loaded their ships with people and a great treasure. They had this custom: when they entered a house, they would at once raise a flag with their own device, and when other Turks saw such a flag raised, no other Turk would for the world enter that house but would go looking for a house that had no flag; it was the same with all the convents and churches. As I understand it, it seems there were some two hundred thousand of these flags on the houses of Constantinople . . these flags flew above the houses for the whole of that day, and for all of that day the Turks made a great slaughter of Christians in the city. Blood flowed on the ground as though it were raining."
Nonnen werden door de moslims seksueel misbruikt ja? En al is dat gebeurt zou jij dat benoemen als een door de Islam geoorloofde sanctie ja? Damn.
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On the third day of the conquest, Mehmed II ordered all looting to stop and sent his troops back outside the city walls.[28] Byzantine historian George Sphrantzes, an eyewitness to the fall of Constantinople, described the Sultan's actions:[89][90]
“ On the third day after the fall of our city, the Sultan celebrated his victory with a great, joyful triumph. He issued a proclamation: the citizens of all ages who had managed to escape detection were to leave their hiding places throughout the city and come out into the open, as they to were to remain free and no question would be asked. He further declared the restoration of houses and property to those who had abandoned our city before the siege, if they returned home, they would be treated according to their rank and religion, as if nothing had changed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_ConstantinopleWaarom in godsnaam zoiets doen als het doel toch verkrachting en uitmoorden is? Waarom de Armeense en Orthodoxe kerk in ere herstellen en zelfs institutionaliseren? Ik mag hopen dat je een onderscheid maakt tussen wangedrag van troepen en de doctrines van de staat. Maar goed, geenszins valt massamoord, verkrachting en plunderen goed te praten op geen enkele manier door niemand niet met een geweten, maar als je denkt dat het een verschijnsel was voorbehouden aan moslimrijken dan is het aan te raden geschiedenis beter te bestuderen.
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door #ANONIEM op 12-01-2017 22:01:56 ]