Staatsgreep in Turkije #57

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Op zondag 7 augustus 2016 23:57 schreef ClapClapYourHands het volgende:

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Van Bahceli had ik het nog wel verwacht, dat van Erdogan kan je misschien nog omheen lullen maar Yildirim komt gewoon met hacli ordusu

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Op zondag 7 augustus 2016 23:59 schreef Bilge het volgende:

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Kameleonnen. Had je het interview tussen Jan Roos en Mehmet Cerit gezien? Ik hield het niet langer dan 5 minuten vol. Die Gülenisten zijn zo ongelooflijk sluw en Nederlandse journalisten zo ongelooflijk dom en simpel. Het is alsof een kat met een muis speelt.

Gesprek op Niveau: Jan Roos en Mehmet Cerit

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:07 schreef bluemoon23 het volgende:

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Tja, in Duitsland ging het na 1933 ook stukken beter met de economie, ook de technologie ging toen met sprongen vooruit.

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:10 schreef bluemoon23 het volgende:
Als de Turken ook zo`n trauma hadden was dit vermoedelijk niet gebeurt.....

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:10 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Een Hitler/Nazi vergelijking weer, serieus?

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Begint meer een obsessie te worden.

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:13 schreef xaban06 het volgende:

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:14 schreef Triggershot het volgende:
De Grieks orthodoxe patriarch in Turkije prijst Erdogan om zijn stappen de Kerk in here te herstellen, een revolutionaire step richting de emancipatie en acceptatie van de christelijke minderheden sinds een eeuw en zijn kritiek is eigenlijk dat er nog meer moet gebeuren en sommigen velen hier komen niet verder dan, ja maar Duitsland 1933, Jezus.

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:16 schreef bluemoon23 het volgende:
In WO2 waren de Turken ware helden, ze verklaarden zowaar de oorlog aan Duitsland.
Maar dat was wel op 23 Februari 1945 toen de Duitsers al op apegapen lagen.....

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:17 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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En het koningshuis ging binnen 10 dagen vluchten, was is je punt?

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:21 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Ik geef hem de voordeel van de twijfel.

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:22 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Ach in 1933 was men in Duitsland ook een pessimist.

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:25 schreef bluemoon23 het volgende:

Dat was om in een goed blaadje te komen bij de geallieerden.

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:30 schreef TeenWolf het volgende:

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Ach ja , alles beter dan je eigen land in 2 dagen onder de voet laten lopen door de vijand.

2 dagen lol

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:44 schreef Odaiba het volgende:
Gaat leuk worden aan de grenzen van Europa, nu de banden tussen Rusland en Turkije aangehaald worden. Poetin en Erdogan onder 1 hoedje tegen Europa.

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 00:50 schreef ErwinRommel het volgende:

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Daar ging het originele Duitse plan van uit, 2 dagen

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Gelb

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 11:23 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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De ontmoeting met Poetin stond al gepland, al ruim voor de staatsgreep op 7 juli:

http://www.sabah.com.tr/w(...)gorusme-agustos-gibi

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CHP leader: This is a new Turkey after plot


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L to R: MHP leader Bahçeli, Parliament Speaker Kahraman, CHP leader K?l?çdaorglu, PM Y?ld?r?m and President Erdogan share a moment before the historic democracy meeting in Istanbul on Aug 7.

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Yenikapı Metro dotted with photos of democracy martyrs

The walls of the Yenikapı Metro Station were dotted with the photographs of those who died during the July 15 coup attempt, ahead of a grand democracy rally on Sunday.

Two-hundred and forty-seven people died across the country, victims of military officers linked to the Gülenist Terror Organization (FETÖ).

The government has already issued a directive announcing that the families of those who died will be receiving the benefits of martyrs. Many thousands who were injured during the coup attempt will also receive benefits. Millions who attended Sunday's rally were able to see the photos of the martyrs, with many finding it hard to hold back tears.

The July 15 coup attempt was foiled when tens of thousands of people took to the streets to defend Turkey's democratically elected government. The events left at least 239 martyrs, and nearly 2,200 injuries.

The Turkish government has said the coup was organized by followers of U.S.-based Fetullah Gülen and the Gülenist Terrorist Organization (FETÖ).

Gülenists have long been suspected of trying to fully control the Turkish state by infiltrating key institutions, particularly the military, police, and judiciary, in a long-running campaign dating back to the 1980s.

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 11:47 schreef ChrisCarter het volgende:
http://www.telegraaf.nl/p(...)_Turkije-coup__.html

Erdogan wil gewoon geen Meneer Kaktus show op TV in Turkije.

Kan een van de aanwezigen vertalen wat er nou precies staat?

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 11:52 schreef ChrisCarter het volgende:

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Ja, zoals het artikel zegt heeft iemand zijn foto misbruikt hiervoor. Maar wat er allemaal exact staat, staat er weer niet.

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Istanbul rally marks milestone in Turkish history

According to estimates, more than 3 million people gathered in the Yenikapı area of Istanbul on Aug. 7 in order to demonstrate their unity against the military coup attempt of July 15.

That is a record participation at a political rally in Turkey. It equals almost 4 percent of the country’s population and more than the entire populations of a number of European countries.

It is also a first regarding the degree of the participation. The leaders of three big parties in parliament, Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım of the Justice and Development Party (AK Parti), Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu of the social democratic main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) and Devlet Bahçeli of the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) were there responding to the call by President Tayyip Erdoğan. No party flags and banners were carried except Turkish flags; there were a few flags of Azerbaijan and Turkish Cyprus, but many Turks do not consider them foreign flags anyway.

It was not a picture which the perpetrators of the failed coup attempt had expected.

The political polarization in Turkey reached a maximum before July 15. The country was under terrorist attacks by two notorious organizations, the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) and the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL). Perhaps that picture had whetted the appetite of those who staged the coup attempt; it was thwarted with the resistance of the leadership in the presidency and in parliament, the government and the opposition and on the streets – especially on the streets. It was also thwarted especially when parties, government and opposition, started to point the finger at Fethullah Gülen, the Turkish Islamist preacher living in the U.S., as the mastermind of the coup plotters. Gen. Hulusi Akar who was kidnapped by the officers in his own military brass that night, directly accused Gülen as being the leader of the terrorist group behind the attempt in a speech he delivered at the Istanbul rally.

This picture of unity against the coup attempt and demand for a democratic system do not mean that the opposition parties have abandoned their criticism of Erdoğan and the AK Parti, but it means they want to solve the problems of Turkish democracy by staying within democracy, not by destroying it with a military coup.

It was not just Turkey’s religious affairs director, Mehmet Görmez, who recited prayers for the 240 people killed by the pro-coup soldiers during the attempt, who called the rally the “birth” of a new period for Turkey.

It is not clear yet whether this spirit of unity and understanding in politics will continue during the talks to amend the constitution for the restructuring of the Turkish state. But the Istanbul rally of Aug. 7 marked a milestone in Turkish politics – hopefully toward a better democracy and a stronger economy in the country.

http://www.hurriyetdailyn(...)102576&NewsCatID=409
August/08/2016

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 12:30 schreef Wespensteek het volgende:
Ik ben trots op de Turken, zelden zie je mensen zichzelf zo in de problemen helpen, het is jammer dat er wat onschuldige slachtoffers vallen in de haatcampagne.

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30sny twitterde op maandag 08-08-2016 om 12:11:25 #İdamaHayır diyenler önce bu videoyu izlesin sonra konuşsun!İste darbecilerin katliam görüntülerinden sadece biri! https://t.co/NllJygxmaM reageer retweet

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 12:41 schreef Wespensteek het volgende:

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Die mensen laten zich voor het karretje van Erdogan spannen en die is duidelijk de realiteit weer even uit oog verloren en denkt de hele wereld aan te kunnen. Nu gaat hij weer met een andere demagoog smoezen waar hij laatst nog bijna slaande ruzie mee had. De toekomst van Turkije ziet er slecht uit terwijl het net leek alsof het land eindelijk modern zou kunnen worden. In plaats van verder ontwikkelen worden bijna alle opgeleide mensen weggejaagd of opgesloten, de achterlijke ongeschoolde meerderheid is actief geworden, de mensen die niet geleerd hebben kritisch te denken maar blind een leider te volgen. De sprookjes die hun vertelt worden slikken ze voor zoete koek, de vraag is welke sprookjes Erdogan allemaal gaat verzinnen en wie er slachtoffer van gaan worden.

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 12:44 schreef Wespensteek het volgende:

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Helaas niet voor de mensen die nu zonder enige bewijs worden opgesloten en ontslagen omdat Erdogan ze als politieke tegenstander is gaan zien waarmee afgerekend wordt.

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 13:04 schreef Wespensteek het volgende:

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Alleen praat je hier niet over eieren maar over mensen die slachtoffer zijn van een politieke zuivering en schending van de mensenrechten. In dit geval geldt dus dat men de rechtsstaat om zeep aan het helpen is, een dictatoriale macht geeft aan één man/partij en daarnaast een groot deel van de vrijheid van meningsuiting aan het beperken is en de mensen bang aan het maken is. Een doodstraf met een politiek gedomineerde rechtsspraak en handhaving is een garantie voor jarenlange chaos in het land.

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Op maandag 8 augustus 2016 13:21 schreef ChrisCarter het volgende:

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Een oorlog die op net zoveel echt bewijs is gestart als de amerikaanse invasie van irak bedoel je

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ragipsoylu twitterde op maandag 18-07-2016 om 09:44:17 Two tweets in Turkish from mid-June forecasted the coup attempt's exact orchestration date. Wow via @rafibalaban https://t.co/YiKCKpyJpG reageer retweet

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Reinstating death penalty would end Turkey's EU bid, German foreign ministry spox says

DAILY SABAH

A spokeswoman for the German foreign ministry said on Monday that reinstating the death penalty would end Turkey's EU membership bid.

The spokesperson of the ministry, Sawsan Chebli said that it is not possible for an EU member state to have such penalty. She also noted that they received no credible information confirming the torture claims in Turkey following the coup attempt.

Speaking about the improving ties between Turkey and Russia, the spokesperson said that a rapprochement between the two countries will not affect the security cooperation in NATO.

Earlier on Monday, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan told France's Le Monde that Turkey's migration agreement with the European Union "will not be possible" if the EU does not keep its side of the deal on visa waivers.

The ties between Turkey and the EU have been strained over the past couple of months due to problems concerning the readmission deal and statements from European politicians concerning Turkey's fight against terrorism.

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A decade of the Gülen Movement on WikiLeaks: More than meets the eye

The Gülen Movement, which has been labeled a shadowy organization for constructing parallel societies in various countries, was increasingly a topic in WikiLeaks documents. Diplomatic cables regarding the movement soared in the years between 2003 and 2013 as well as questions and concerns about the movement due to its ambiguous intentions

shak Haleva, Istanbul's chief rabbi, 75, was asked 10 years ago by a local foundation to write a testimonial to address the U.S. government regarding the adjustment of the immigration status of "a Turkish-Muslim scholar and a spiritual leader of a global faith-based movement." In a farewell luncheon for the U.S. consul general in Turkey, however, Haleva noted that he was "wrestling" with that difficult request. In the draft text given to him to sign, Haleva supposedly ended the testimonial by thanking the U.S. government "for taking their time to talk to them about the mission of Mr. Gülen, who dedicated himself to the good of others regardless of their beliefs and opinions, and embraced them."

Nevertheless, Haleva did not have a "certainty of Gülen's ultimate intentions." But then, he could not just ignore the request because of the assistance Gülen Movement had provided in the past to Jewish Community of Turkey (JCT). Even though Haleva first decided to write a more limited letter for Fethullah Gülen, the wary rabbi told the consul general that he was rethinking whether even a limited letter would be appropriate, after he learned that the Ecumenical Patriarch and Armenian Patriarch had been asked likewise, yet had objected. In the end, Haleva did not sign it.

Haleva was not the only one who challenged such a dichotomy: The U.S. government's concerns about whether the Gülen Movement has a sinister and radical agenda has been in question since 2003, as a good number of original diplomatic Wikileaks cables show.Wikileaks is a self-described "not-for-profit media organization," launched in 2006 with the aim of releasing original documents or correspondences from anonymous informants and leakers. Within only nine years, the whistle-blowing website has released more than 10 million documents, mainly diplomatic cables. Claiming that "Publishing improves transparency, and this transparency creates a better society for all people," Wikileaks keeps on leaking successive disclosures of classified documents for the sake of its ideology of transparency. However, that may not please particularly the authors of the documents.

From 2003-2013, the number of cables regarding the Gülen Movement has increased with the accumulation of questions and concerns about the movement over time. Question marks began to appear among interlocutors more and more concerning the empowering of the Gülen Movement around the world by means of a) institutionalization with schools, b) infiltrating governmental organizations, c) mottos about inter-faith, dialogue and tolerance d) business associations e) media outlets.

A cable dated March 11, 2003, classified by Polcouns John Kunstadter, a U.S. political counselor in the Ankara Embassy, provides information about a verdict suspended in a case against Fethullah Gülen, who was portrayed as "much more militant in the early 1970s." Kunstadter reports that Gülen's harassment by the state seems to be based on "an unclear and arbitrarily-interpreted range of evidence." Nonetheless, Kunstadter emphasizes a few sentences later that the Gülen movement in Turkey has become enigmatic under the state's pressure, its representatives are cagier with them, and "its goals are therefore more difficult to read."Among those who tried to feel Fethullah Gülen and his movement's pulse are the Russian authorities. On Dec. 10, 2004, a cable states that "Russia is concerned by what it sees as the Gülenist lodge's insidious Islamist agenda." Moreover, a possible agreement scenario to put into practice is mentioned in the document: Gülenist "Writers and Journalists Foundation" director, Erkam Aytav, acknowledges the probability that Russia intends to use the threats to close the Gülenist schools in the country to control the lobbying power of Gülenists for Russian interests in Turkey. Aytav and daily Zaman's Editor-in-Chief Ekrem Dumanlı admit that Zaman's coverage of Russia has intentionally been kept bland with an eye to mollifying the Putin regime (meaning that Gülenist media outlets are manipulated according to self-seeking interests.)

The Gülenists' penetration of the National Police (TNP), media outlets and their record of going after anyone who criticizes Gülen were among the items on the annual agenda of the U.S. Embassy in Ankara in 2005, when a decision by U.S. immigration authorities for the first time denied him the right to travel outside of the country. Stuart Smith, the U.S. vice consul general of the Intelligence Department in Ankara, reported that three ranking TNP asked for a meeting with the Istanbul legate as a means of asking whether the "FBI could provide some sort of clean bill of health" for Fethullah Gülen. Upon such a request, Smith juxtaposes some concerns about the Gülen Movement's actions: "Severe pressure on businessmen to continue to give money to support Gülenist schools or other activities," "using their school networks to cherry-pick students they think are susceptible to being molded as proselytizers and to indoctrinate boarding students," "the cult-like obedience and conformity" the movement insists on its substructures.

A cable, with a more suspicious and questioning tone, classified by Consul General Deborah K. Jones on May 23, 2006, clarifies that U.S. authorities in Turkey started to count Gülen Movement's institutions and academies in the U.S., Central Asia, Caucasus, Russia, the Balkans, Africa, South East Asia, the Far East, the Middle East and Europe. Furthermore, the cable shows that a profile recognition for those traveling to the U.S., particularly with the aim of visiting Fethullah Gülen, was also actively carried out by Consular officers. Compiling a list of Gülenist organizations as well as periodical meetings to discuss trends within the Gülenist applicant pool let Consular officers in Ankara and Istanbul notice "what appears to a purposeful 'shifting' of applicant profiles appearing for visa interviews in what may be an effort by Gülenists to identify 'successful' profiles." After giving the general features of applicants and visitors (the young exchange visitor; the married middle-aged male with no English and traveling alone; the middle-school-aged English student; the graduate student going for English), the Consul General Jones claims that "evasiveness of Gülenist applicants leaves Consular officers uneasy" although there seems to be "a benign humanitarian movement" on the surface.

Another leaked document on March 15, 2007, discusses Gülenist education in Central Asian countries, specifically in Turkmenistan. The cable signifies that the vision of the Gülenists to open schools in Central Asian countries just after the fall of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) was to show Central Asia the "smiling face of Islam," although the Gülenist "teachers' influence outside the classroom" made it controversial there. As for 2008, a cable dated July 21, classified by Deputy Principal Officer Sandra S. Oudkirk, revealed that the JCT "avoided being listed as a Gülen supporter in the Turkish media coverage of Gülen's acquittal in June by a Turkish court on charges of anti-secularist activities." Although the JCT and the Gülen Movement had "close ties," the JCT preferred not to show it in "public places."

U.S. Ankara Ambassador James Jeffrey, on Dec. 4, 2009, briefed in regards to Gülen's application for Permanent Residence status in the U.S., with a background about Gülen and his movement. Saying that Gülen faced charges in Turkey of plotting to overthrow the state, Jeffrey mentioned a sermon in 1986, where Gülen is heard declaring that "our friends, who have positions in legislative and administrative bodies, should learn its details and be vigilant all the time so they can transform it and be more fruitful on behalf of Islam in order to carry out a nationwide restoration." Holding a Green Card now and living in Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains, Fethullah Gülen was doubted to have infiltrated the TNP, and they "have found no one who disputes it."

Additionally, Jeffrey found out that the "TNP applicants who stay at Gülenist pensions are provided with the answers in advance of the TNP entrance exam." Apart from that, even more subtly, "Gülen's lack of transparency creates doubt about his motives and leads to suspicions about what lies ahead," Jeffrey says. As for the aspects of concern in the allegations that the U.S. government is somehow behind the Gülen Movement, Jeffrey concluded that "the U.S. is not 'sheltering' Mr. Gülen and his presence in the U.S. is not based on any political decision."

A document classified by Economic-Political Counselor J. Dean Yap on March 30, 2009, criticizes the Gülenists for establishing a kind of "parallel society" with their own schools and newspapers in Australia. Likewise, another set of correspondence between two employees of Stratfor, an American publisher and global intelligence company, dated Dec. 27, 2009, shows that "Turkish diplomatic circuits in D.C. are all extremely paranoid about Gülen." One of the employees, Reva Bhalla, a Middle East expert, claims in the very same year that in the U.S., "Gülen's message subsequently went through a significant transformation. He rejected some of his earlier rhetoric on dismantling the secular state, turning instead to emphasizing tolerance in Islam, as well as interfaith dialogue with Judaism and Christianity, and shunned violence.

In the late 1990s, he told his male followers that their wives could uncover their hair," with the aim of being approved by the U.S. FGC's three concentric circles (the outermost circle of sympathizers, the middle circle of businessmen, and the inner circle of workers such as teachers, journalists, lobbyists and executives), were also mentioned by Bhalla. More importantly, Bhalla claims on Nov. 18, 2009, that there is "one voice, two messages," concerning the Gülen Movement's stance in the West. For example, the two papers of the Gülenists diverged in their coverage of the 2008-2009 Israel-Gaza war. On Dec. 31, 2008, the movement's Turkish-language outlet, Zaman, ran a story with the headline:

"Children hauling garbage are being targeted with missiles," whereas such a headline or the story about it was entirely missing from Today's Zaman on the same day or after, in line with the Gülen Movement's position in the West.

Among other cables in 2010, one stands out as it contains direct quotes from a former 10-year hardcore Gülenist. It is noted in the document, dated March 22, 2010, that "the source wants to tell the inside story of Gülen, but it's too risky for him." When he was a high school student, the source was recruited and raised by the Gülen Movement to focus particularly on "military penetration." Since he came to know in time a great deal about Gülen and sensitive military matters, the movement has been careful not to alienate him. As to being trained on how to be an good Gülenist day by day, it is reported by the source in the document that one starts out visiting Gülenist homes "a couple times a week, then three times a week, then every day of the week, by the time you're done. They make it a gradual process and earn your trust." In return, the potential Gülenist is tested by being called late in the evening or on the weekend to carry out some task.

The Stratfor employee comments on the issue, saying it is "very much like a professional intelligence organization."In 2011, another Stratfor employee conspicuously claims that "Gülen-Washington ties are getting more strained," while a Gülenist crackdown carries on in spite of some investigations started by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) against "120 Gülenist schools in the U.S." Another source, or rather a target, expresses in a document dated June 5, 2013, that she was "an outspoken critic of Turkish charter schools in the U.S. that are run by supporters of the Gülen Movement," which is why she was targeted by Gülenists. Moreover, the woman believes that "the email was sent to an anonymous email address she uses in an attempt to identify her and gain access to her private data and communications in order to try to discredit her," as well as being warned of her criticisms.

Taking into consideration those Wikileaks cables, it is clear that questioning the possibility of the Gülen Movement's hidden agenda by the U.S. authorities over a decade was no delusion, yet it was well-justified. "Deep and widespread doubts," as vice consul general of the Intelligence Department in Ankara Stuart Smith once said in 2005, about the ultimate intentions of Gülen's movement still remain high.
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