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Op dinsdag 17 mei 2016 16:09 schreef _-_ratjetoe_-_ het volgende:
31 extra sporters gepakt op de OS in Peking.

Zijn er eigenlijk wedkantoren waar je kan wedden op of die namen daadwerkelijk bekend zullen worden gemaakt?

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Op dinsdag 17 mei 2016 16:09 schreef _-_ratjetoe_-_ het volgende:
Zijn er eigenlijk wedkantoren waar je kan wedden op of de namen van die 31 sporters daadwerkelijk bekend zullen worden gemaakt? Ben wel benieuwd naar die odds

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stevescott_itv twitterde op dinsdag 17-05-2016 om 23:15:38 I understand no British athlete is among the 31 whose Beijing retests were positive. reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 10:38 schreef TheArt het volgende:
Ook het AOC (Australian Olympic Committee) heeft al bekend gemaakt dat zij niet op de hoogte zijn gesteld van Australiërs die erbij zouden zitten.

Let op, dat worden weer gewoon Oostblokkers en wat Aziaten. Kans van 99 op 100 dat bij die 6 sporten ook atletiek en gewichtheffen zitten.

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 10:43 schreef Wombcat het volgende:
Ik hoop dat Jamaica erbij zit met atletiek dan natuurlijk.

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stevewilsonap twitterde op woensdag 18-05-2016 om 12:01:43 IOC VP John Coates: `In a week, we expect to have results of the retest from about 250 London samples' reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 12:07 schreef heywoodu het volgende:

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stevewilsonap twitterde op woensdag 18-05-2016 om 12:01:43 IOC VP John Coates: `In a week, we expect to have results of the retest from about 250 London samples' reageer retweet

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stevescott_itv twitterde op dinsdag 24-05-2016 om 23:15:38 I understand no British athlete is among the 39 whose London retests were positive. reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 19:05 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
wat is het toch een faal dat hertesten, hoor je zoveel jaar later dat je hoger bent geëindigd enzo

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 18:46 schreef Eppie_NL het volgende:

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Ik verwacht dit volgende week:

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stevescott_itv twitterde op dinsdag 24-05-2016 om 23:15:38 I understand no British athlete is among the 39 whose London retests were positive. reageer retweet

Dat zou een grote teleurstelling zijn, maar hopelijk minimaal een grote Britse vis. Zou wel genot zijn.

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 19:23 schreef heywoodu het volgende:

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Je kunt een beetje moeilijk in 2012 tests uitvoeren met methodes die in 2015 ontwikkeld zijn, bijvoorbeeld.

Aangezien je dat zelf natuurlijk ook snapt is jouw suggestie dus om het er maar bij te laten zitten, maar dat lijkt me ook niet echt de bedoeling.

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 19:25 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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ik vind dat systeem gewoon niks, omdat die testers jarenlang achter liggen, gaan ze maar hertesten, tot hoever kan je het drijven?

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 19:26 schreef heywoodu het volgende:

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Welk systeem moet je dan gebruiken? En graag iets wat wel mogelijk is natuurlijk, ze kunnen geen tests gaan ontwikkelen voor letterlijk elke mogelijke chemische combinatie die ooit mogelijk theoretisch gebruikt zou kunnen worden.

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 19:33 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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ze gaan nu tot 8 jaar terug, herinner jij dan nog wie de winnaars waren?
straks gaan ze tot 12 jaar terug, omdat het volgens hun niet afdoende is of 16 of 20.
waar ligt de grens?
Ik ben voorstander voor het directe systeem, dus niet meer jarenlang hertesten.
Het gaat tenslotte om de gezondheid van de atleet en niet we willen ze allemaal pakken, alsof het een criminele daad is.
Het zijn gewoon een overtreding van de sportregels.
De media heeft er altijd een handje van gehad om atleten in het criminele hoekje te drukken.
Het dopingsysteem lijkt erg op het drugssysteem.
De gebruikers veranderen, de doping systemen blijven bestaan.

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 19:51 schreef heywoodu het volgende:

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Het gaat om het verkrijgen van zo eerlijk mogelijke resultaten. Nou is dat altijd relatief natuurlijk, dat wel. Maar als een bepaalde groep sporters zich dit jaar helemaal volpropt met verboden methode X of verboden middel Y, terwijl daar volgend jaar pas een écht goede test voor is, moeten we ze maar laten gaan?

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 20:03 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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Het gaat altijd om geld en in dopingtesten gaat heel veel geld om.
als atleten uiteindelijk positief testen, moeten ze weer boetes en prijzengeld terugbetalen.
De basis van testen is altijd gezondheid geweest, nooit voor het eerlijke, dat maakt de media er altijd van.

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 20:05 schreef heywoodu het volgende:

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Het is de basis geweest, maar zeker niet meer de enige reden.

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 20:07 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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Het is toch een beetje belachelijk, als je denk dat het om het eerlijke gaat, terwijl de stropdassen die de zaak runnen zo corrupt als fuck zijn.

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 20:07 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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Het is toch een beetje belachelijk, als je denk dat het om het eerlijke gaat, terwijl de stropdassen die de zaak runnen zo corrupt als fuck zijn.

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Op woensdag 18 mei 2016 19:25 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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ik vind dat systeem gewoon niks, omdat die testers jarenlang achter liggen, gaan ze maar hertesten, tot hoever kan je het drijven?

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Bij voetballer Marco Russ is via een dopingcontrole een tumor ontdekt. Uit analyse van de urinestaal van de aanvoerder van Eintracht Frankfurt bleek dat hij kanker heeft.

Na een wedstrijd op 30 april moest de 30-jarige Duitser een dopingcontrole ondergaan. Woensdag kreeg hij de schokkende uitslag. Russ bleek een extreem hoge hormoonwaarde te hebben. Dat duidde in dit geval niet op dopinggebruik, maar op een ziekte. Russ liet zich onderzoeken door een internist, die de kanker ontdekte.

Dinsdag wordt de voetballer geopereerd, nadat hij vanavond en maandag gewoon mee zal spelen in de play-offwedstrijd van zijn club tegen 1.FC Nürnberg. Freiburg, waar ook Luc Castaignos speelt, moet winnen om degradatie uit de Bundesliga te voorkomen.

Het is niet bekendgemaakt welke vorm van kanker Russ heeft.

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Op vrijdag 13 mei 2016 15:50 schreef wimderon het volgende:

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Op donderdag 19 mei 2016 09:16 schreef franklop het volgende:

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Goed, geen dopinggebruik uiteraard, maar doping(controle) gerelateerd nieuws. Hopen dat het meevalt voor hem!

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Op donderdag 19 mei 2016 09:16 schreef franklop het volgende:

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Goed, geen dopinggebruik uiteraard, maar doping(controle) gerelateerd nieuws. Hopen dat het meevalt voor hem!

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petercossins twitterde op zaterdag 21-05-2016 om 13:39:39 Jeannie Longo's husband imprisoned for illegal purchase and importation of EPO https://t.co/cDSNwfVWvn reageer retweet

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The Union Cyclist Internationale (UCI) has imposed a two-year ban on Slovenian cyclist Blaza Klemencic, after reanalysis of a sample taken on 27 March 2012 returned a positive test for recombinant erythropoietin (EPO). ‘The results obtained by the rider from 27 March 2012 to 31 December 2012 are disqualified, whilst all other results shall stand’, read a UCI statement. That means that Klemencic will lose the silver medal she took at the 2014 MTB European Championships cross country race. Klemencic has been suspended since September last year, as reported by The Sports Integrity Initiative.

• Professional cyclists Iván Parra and Rafael Infantino have been banned for four years after testing positive for GHRP-2, which stimulates production of human growth hormone, reports El Tiempo.

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Op maandag 23 mei 2016 18:07 schreef Sloggi het volgende:

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Is zij zelf ooit gepakt eigenlijk?

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In September 1987 Longo tested positive for ephederine following a 3 km world record attempt in Colorado Springs. She served a 1-month ban for this offense.

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Longo also missed three doping tests in this same time period. Normally this would be penalized the same as a positive test but AFLD had failed to notify Longo that she would be targeted for testing in that year, thus letting her off.

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BESSASONE, Italy (VN) — Ten years after Operación Puerto, Jørg Jaksche has a hard time believing much has changed in cycling. A decade on, Jaksche lives in Australia, where he is pursuing a master’s degree in business administration, far away from the European peloton he watches with skepticism in the post-Puerto era. Many say the peloton has changed for the better, but Jaksche says he is not so convinced.

Now 39, the German ex-pro was among six riders of the dozens of racers linked to the 2006 scandal who were formally sanctioned in what is arguably the largest doping ring ever uncovered in cycling’s nefarious history. A pro from 1997 to 2007, Jaksche was a front-row witness to the good, bad, and very ugly of a peloton that was out of control

A son of German doctors who raced under an Austrian license, Jaksche won Paris-Nice in 2004, and raced in 11 grand tours. He lined up for some of the most notorious teams in the peloton, including Telekom, CSC, ONCE, Liberty Seguros, and Tinkoff Credit Systems. He saw and lived it all, and after he was busted, Jaksche stepped forward to help investigators in Germany and in the United States, but remains frustrated by what he sees as missed opportunities to change the peloton in the decade following Puerto.

On the 10th anniversary of the Puerto raids, VeloNews chatted to Jaksche via telephone to gauge his impressions of the modern peloton, his experiences as part of the Puerto doping ring, and why he regrets helping USADA to go after Lance Armstrong. Here are excerpts from the interview:

VeloNews: It’s been 10 years since the Puerto scandal, how much do you think has changed within professional cycling based on your experiences?
Jørg Jaksche: Nothing really has changed. There is a new UCI president, but if you break it down, the only real changes in cycling have come from pressure from WADA and the sponsors. Everything could go back to how it was 10 years ago if cycling is left to its own devices. If something has changed, it’s from external pressure, not because the people inside cycling wanted to change it.

VN: You don’t believe there is a new culture in cycling? That a new generation has come in without doping?
JJ: It is very difficult to trust the sport of cycling. I have a real problem with some of these managers. They ran teams that were winning at the high times of EPO doping, so it’s a little bit hard for me to believe today they are winning today on pan e aqua. A wolf cannot change his fur. Today, they tell you that because Lance Armstrong is out of the sport, that doping is out of the sport as well. Wait a minute — nearly every team director had something to do with doping. The hypocrisy still runs deep in cycling.

VN: So you insist that it’s naïve to believe that today’s winners are clean?
JJ: I often hope that things are as good and perfect as they tell us, but to be honest, the guys are racing faster today than when everyone was on EPO. Genetics doesn’t change in 10 years. Should we believe it that they are suddenly as fast as when EPO was widespread? You have to make up your own mind.

VN: The peloton seems to race differently; there are no big-ring attacks over the final two cols, isn’t that a sign that the peloton is cleaner?
JJ: It’s funny, because doping is like being pregnant. Either you’re pregnant or you’re not. There’s not just a little bit of doping. Maybe you can take cortisone, and you can justify that with a certificate, but you are still doping. Micro-dosing EPO is still doping. This idea of harder doping or lighter doping is absurd. You’re doping, and that’s it.

VN: We hear the stories about how easy it was to avoid detection, but today is must be more difficult?
JJ: It was very bad luck to have gotten caught for doping. When I turned pro in 1998, EPO was not detectible. The controls were easy to avoid. After I confessed, I had a meeting with the UCI, and I told them that I was blood doping and taking EPO and other drugs, and they were surprised because they thought I was one of the clean ones!

VN: So how surprised were you when the Spanish police busted up the Puerto ring in 2006?
JJ: We knew it was big when they arrested [ex-Liberty Seguros manager] Manolo Saiz, because they arrested someone for doping in sport in Spain, which everyone viewed as the free doping country. It was a big shock for everyone, because it was in the country where everyone thought they would never get caught for doping. Why do you think all the big cyclists moved to Spain? It wasn’t for the good training.
‘Almost impossible to win without EPO’

VN: When you were racing, was it possible to win without EPO?
JJ: Almost impossible. Whenever I had success, I was always using PEDs, but it was possible to race without it. I raced the 2000 Tour clean, because we were asked by the team to not take any risks because the sponsorship was up for renewal. We were really having a lousy Tour, but some of the riders on our team were carrying their own stuff, and then they won a stage. And later, the staff was so happy because they said they saved the team!

VN: Some have little sympathy for riders like yourself who doped, because wasn’t there a choice not to dope?
JJ: We were victims of the system, but we were all also participating in the system. We all had choices. We could work in a bike shop, or go to university. They said, ‘This is the program you need to win,’ and you are the one who made the decision, and, ‘OK, I will do it.’ No one ever held my hand into the fire, and pushed the needle into my arm. It was offered as these are the options you have. If you didn’t dope, it didn’t have consequences at first, but if you wanted to race the Tour de France, you wouldn’t have the results, and you wouldn’t be selected. There was no one forcing you to do it, but it was the system that was forcing you to do it. That’s how it worked. No one ever said you had to do EPO, but it was obvious that if you wanted to go fast, you had to take EPO.

VN: How did it work with Puerto ringleader Dr. Euefemiano Fuentes? Based on testimony, it sounded like conditions were unsafe?
JJ: Manolo [Saiz] introduced us to Fuentes, and said he’s our new doctor, and he will call you. The transfusions were always done in hotels, but they were always four-star [laughs]. You are more likely to get a virus or bacteria from a hospital, and Fuentes always kept things clean. From what we could see, he seemed careful, but what we didn’t know was what he was doing with it later. You didn’t know how long he kept the bags in the car, and you couldn’t control the follow-up, and how he handled the bags. Sometimes I heard it was pretty sketchy.

VN: We heard testimony of bad transfusions and riders’ urine turning black; did you ever experience anything like that?
JJ: That never happened to me. Sometimes he was in a bit of a hurry, and the bags were not completely thawed out, and you could feel that cold blood running into your arm. It felt like you were going into a cold shock. Once in a while, you were hyperventilating afterward. It didn’t feel good. You just had to accept that he knew what he was doing. You experience so many strange things in this professional racing career. Sometimes they missed a vein, and sometimes you feel like they were messing with your body. You just had to accept it as part of professional cycling.
‘No one ever said, let’s stop this madness’

VN: Did you ever feel that things had gotten too crazy, and over the top?
JJ: For me, it was just part of the job. Believe me, I was never too happy or proud of what I did. We all knew it was somehow very crazy, that it had gone too far, but there was never anyone who stood up, and said, ‘Let’s stop all this madness.’ When I look back now, there was never anyone there who said something like that. We were all under pressure to perform and get results.

VN: There were reportedly up to 60 riders involved, but you were among the few given a sanction, which effectively ended your career, do you feel bitter about that?
JJ: I know there are some names of big riders that never came out. Perhaps not even half of the names have been revealed. There are still many people who have their blood bags in that freezer in the lab in Barcelona. Maybe they are not sleeping very easily at night, but today, you see them working as sport directors, or on TV as commentators.

VN: And then Armstrong was busted, and you participated in the USADA report, why did you agree to cooperate?
JJ: I was very surprised, because everyone thought Armstrong was untouchable. But when you get the public prosecutor involved, it was clear it was not funny anymore. I was part of this USADA report because I wanted to be transparent and help change cycling, but I have to say in retrospect, it was a mistake to have testified. The USADA report wasn’t about truth and honesty and change, it was only about going after Lance. I am almost embarrassed to have been part of this report, because it is so biased. All these people that testified, the only picture they draw is that Lance was evil, and that he made them dope. Well, that’s not true, because they continued to dope when they were on other teams!

VN: After you were caught, you decided to confess everything?
JJ: It was all very difficult for me, because some of the people pointing their fingers at us were the same ones who pushed us to doping the year before. When I was first spoke up, it was very delicate, and then I decided to admit everything, and I did something worse; I decided to accuse everyone in the entourage. I was going against the omertà, because I was fed up with the hypocrisy.

VN: What have you done since leaving cycling?
JJ: I come from a little bit different background. My parents are doctors, and they never liked that I became a professional cyclist, and in a certain way, that has helped me to look for something else in life. After I left cycling, I was fighting through some lows. I was tired and sad about my situation. Sometimes, it was hard to take it all in. You are being painted as the villain, sometimes by the same guys who were on a bed next to you drawing out the blood bags. Everyone is telling you that you are part of a bad generation, but no one was talking about the real problem of doping, about the culture of doping that was everywhere in professional cycling. Sometimes it was all very stressful, especially when you could finally see nothing would change, and seeing that the same old gangsters were still running the show. A few of us have paid the price of the sins of everyone. I tried to do what I could to help change the sport. I am OK now. I am living in Sydney, going to university, studying business