[Centraal] Turkije mengt zich in Syrisch conflict #4

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:18 schreef primakov het volgende:

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Irak heeft geen zak te vertellen vat ik op als Iraakse staat heeft de facto geen controle over eigen gebied en verliest daardoor zeggenschap.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:20 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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En ik vat het anders op. Dat je dan direct een label op me plakt vind ik een beetje triest.

Maar goed.

Terug on-topic. Dit gaat om turkse PKK aanvallen en neit of de Iraakse staat/ bevolking al dan niet mag beslissen over zijn eigen lot.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:24 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Nee dit gaat over de agressie van Turkije tegen Koerden die notabene tegen IS vechten.
Turkije zou zich rot moeten schamen en uit de NATO gezet moeten worden wegens hoogverraad, schenden van de mensenrechten, helpen van de vijand (IS) en moord op eigen bevolking.
Tevens schend het Iraaks en Syrisch luchtruim en bombardeerd in het wilde weg Koerdische strijders die tegen IS een vuist maken.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:24 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Nee dit gaat over de agressie van Turkije tegen Koerden die notabene tegen IS vechten.
Turkije zou zich rot moeten schamen en uit de NATO gezet moeten worden wegens hoogverraad, schenden van de mensenrechten, helpen van de vijand (IS) en moord op eigen bevolking.
Tevens schend het Iraaks en Syrisch luchtruim en bombardeerd in het wilde weg Koerdische strijders die tegen IS een vuist maken.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:25 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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Turkije valt volgens mij alleen de PKK aan.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:27 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Wat een onzin. Dat maken de Turken ervan. Ipv ISIS aan te vallen en af te maken bombarderen ze dorpen vanuit de lucht de lafbekken.

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Ik heb geen goed woord over voor die laffe Erdogan kliek.
Koerden pakken de wapens op en verdedigen hun families. Alleen daar om al verdienen de Koerden hun eigen land.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:28 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Ok nu sluit ik me aan bij Jack, dat je bar weinig weet van wat er zich afspeelt in de omgeving.

- Nog een paar dagen geleden heeft de NAVO erkend dat Turkije het recht heeft om zichzelf te verdedigen, wat dat ook moge betekenen.

- Turkije bombardeert momenteel niet alleen een gemeenschappelijk vijand, maar ook haar eigen vijand wat constant militairen en agenten dood in Turkije.

- Irak en Turkije hebben een wederzijds verdrag dat ze rebellen tot 15km over de grens heen mogen (ver)volgen en aanpakken. Zowel Syrië als Irak moeten ook nog eens in staat zijn om er voor te zorgen dat er vanuit eigen grenzen niet gewapende acties worden uitgevoerd op voorbereid.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:32 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Turkije mag zich verdediugen tegen een rechtstreekse aanval van IS of een ander land.
Terreur groepen zijn wat anders.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:30 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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Kan je dat ook onderbouwen?

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Dat doen de Turken ook. De PKK heeft aanslagen gepleegd in Turkije op het Turkse leger.

Ik heb ook geen goed woord over voor Sultan Erdogan, maar het is echt niet zo zwart-wit als dat jij zegt.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:34 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Genoeg berichten hier over. En dat maakt de Koerden weer pissig, sluiten zich aan bij de PKK en vallen dan weer soldaten en politieposten aan.
Simpel.
Zolang de Koerden onderdrukt en gebombardeerd worden blijven de aanslagen ook bestaan...

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:33 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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ISIS is ook een terreurgroep...

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:35 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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"genoeg berichten" is geen onderbouwing.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:36 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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2 dagen terug. Google eens wat meer zou ik zeggen.
https://www.rt.com/news/311332-turkey-attack-village-kurds/

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Parliament must strip the immunity from prosecution of Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) lawmakers and make them “pay the price” for links to “terrorist groups,” Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has said as the government increases its attacks on the Kurdish movement.

“Those who exploit the people and the state’s tolerance and patience will receive the answer they deserve as soon as possible. Any step back is out of the question. This is a process and this process will continue with the same determination,” he said July 28 prior to a visit to China.

The president, however, claimed he rejected the closing of any political party, suggesting that politicians should be the object of the cases, not legal entities.

The president has said Ankara could not continue the Kurdish peace process amid continuing attacks against Turkish targets that have come in response to the government’s alleged complicity in crimes by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), especially after last week’s suicide attack in Suruç that killed 31 members of a socialist youth group.

“It is not possible to carry on the peace process with those who target our national unity and brotherhood,” he said.

But the given rights for 78 million Turkish nationals were abiding, he said, adding it was “not possible” to take them back.

The Turkish government was “sincere” on the peace process, but the process has been “exploited.”
The president pledged the continuation of domestic and cross-border operations against “terror groups” and underlined it was time to put into practice the legislation on security issues which was recently adopted by parliament.

He also voiced hope that NATO, which held an emergency meeting on July 28, would take the necessary steps. “Turkey will use whatever rights stemming from international law until the very end” to protect itself from attacks, he added.

Erdoğan also said a “secure zone” in northern Syria, which Turkey and the United States have spoken about establishing, free of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) elements would help the return of 1.7 million refugees taking shelter in Turkey.

“The clearance of those regions and the creation of a safe zone there will lay the ground for 1.7 [million Syrian] citizens here to return home,” he said.

Turkey was open to an improved bid from its preferred bidder, China, in a long-range missile defense system tender, he also said.

China initially offered the most appropriate proposal, but later developments have caused “impediments,” he said.

“We’ll discuss these issues again during this visit. Any offer that will enrich this appropriate proposal will be welcomed by us,” he stated.

NATO member Turkey chose China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp. in 2013 as the preferred candidate for the $3.4 billion deal, prompting U.S. and Western concerns about security and the compatibility of the weaponry with NATO’s systems.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:36 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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2 dagen terug. Google eens wat meer zou ik zeggen.
https://www.rt.com/news/311332-turkey-attack-village-kurds/

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:35 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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ISIS is geen terreurgroep meer. ISIS is een georganiseerd leger met een gigantisch kapitaal achter zich die in haar veroverde gebieden de zaak weer opbouwd en probeert te laten functioneren onder haar (maffe) bewind.
Ik denk dat iedereen zich ZWAAR vergist in ISIS. Die dreiging is enorm groot.

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‘Be quiet as a woman’ was not a sexist insult, Turkish Deputy PM says

It’s never late to call for peace: Demirtaş

Turkey's Supreme Military Council convenes for promotions and retirements

Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) leader Devlet Bahçeli has started a new fight with the Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP), criticizing the “dishonorable, whisky-drinking rich people” who voted for the HDP instead of the MHP.

“Those poor people who carried the HDP to the Parliament [and] those dishonorable people sipping their whiskies in their seaside residences along the Bosphorus… Now go and form a coalition with the HDP,” Bahceli told his party in a weekend address, daily Hürriyet reported.

The Turkish term for “dishonorable” (şerefsiz) carries a weight bordering on the vulgar that does not exist in English.

Bahçeli slammed rich segments of the society for casting their votes to the HDP juts to stop the Justice and Development Party (AKP) from gaining a parliamentary majority.

Selahattin Demirtaş, a co-chair of the HDP, responded to Bahçeli’s remarks on Aug. 3. “The HDP is Istanbul’s third party. The HDP garnered more votes than the Turkish nationalists who cannot even speak proper Turkish. The HDP collected votes from the poorest districts of Istanbul. That’s how it became the third party,” Demirtaş said.

“Needless to say; rich people have probably also voted for the HDP. All of our voters are respectable for us. To those who insult our electors, I return these insults tit-for-tat,” he added.

Recalling that Bahçeli promised his voters that he would go after “thieves” before elections in reference to massive corruption and graft claims surrounding senior AKP officials, Demirtaş said, “They shouldn’t be using the word honor; they should know their place.”

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ANKARA – Doğan News Agency

Turkish swingers face up to 177 years in jail

Four prosecutors arrested in Syria-bound intel trucks case transferred to Ankara

Political party officials fined for gambling in Turkey’s south

The Istanbul Chief Public Prosecutor’s Office has launched a criminal investigation against former prosecutor Zekeriya Öz, who had been heading the Dec.17 corruption investigation, into his Twitter posts allegedly defaming President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu.

The investigation was launched by the Istanbul Chief Public Prosecutor’s Office on Aug. 2, as Öz was dismissed earlier this year from his prosecutor position by the Supreme Board of Judges and Prosecutors (HSYK), Turkey’s top judicial body.

Those who have no mercy drenched the country in bloodshed, with the death toll of security personnel rising, in endeavor to increase their vote in an early election, Öz posted on Twitter on Aug. 2.

The country is being governed by a temporary prime minister who does not even know that the Gezi Park protests had no connection with the Kurdish peace process, Öz posted the same day.

“The current government would not have been able to be in power had the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) been involved in the Gezi protests,” Öz also posted.

Those enacting laws to try judiciary and security personnel in a bid to overshadow their theft and corruption activities hoped the deaths of security forces would take them to a one-party government, Öz added.

Öz was dismissed as the Istanbul Chief Public Prosecutor on May 12 this year after being rotated to a minor judiciary position, following his launch of the country’s biggest corruption investigation on Dec. 17, 2013, in which sons of three former ministers were implicated.

Öz claimed early January 2014 that he had been threatened by then-Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to drop the corruption investigation and rejected his rotation to a minor post on Jan. 13, 2014.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:41 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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één bericht. Waarin de President van de KRG ook aangeeft dat de PKK zich onder burgers verschuilt..

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Vroeger zeiden ze altijd tegen mij: Als je denkt dat iedereen zich vergist, is de kans groot dat je je zelf vergist.

Maar ik ben best benieuwd naar je argumenten.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 21:11 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:
http://english.alarabiya.(...)-letter-to-U-N-.html
http://www.independent.co(...)m-isis-10433995.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/(...)epopulated_by_Turkey
http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/turkey/14112013

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Witnesses said that at least five villagers were killed in Zargali by Turkish jets targeting rebels from the PKK, whose bitter insurgency in Turkey for Kurdish rights has been reignited in recent days after a two-year ceasefire.

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Much of the countryside in southeast Turkey has been depopulated by the Turkish government, with Kurdish civilians moving to local defensible centers such as Diyarbakır, Van, and Şırnak, as well as to the cities of western Turkey and even to western Europe. The causes of the depopulation included PKK atrocities against Kurdish clans they could not control, the poverty of the southeast, and the Turkish state's military operations.

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 21:16 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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1) dus gooien we maar bommen op een dorp en hopen dat we wat PKK'ers treffen....who gives a fuck about the woman and children? Nietwaar? En dan word Turkije boos als er 2 soldaten worden gedood bij een aanval?
2) Lees maar eens goed. http://www.businessinside(...)ate-operates-2014-12
En het zal mij niets verwonderen als op een bepaald moment Turkije word aangevallen. Eens zien hoeveel Turken er over lopen naar IS....

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Headshot? Lol, paar PKK terroristen minder.

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Op dinsdag 4 augustus 2015 00:10 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
Is de PKK een organisatie die ook bewust burgerdoelen aanvalt?

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Op dinsdag 4 augustus 2015 00:10 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
Is de PKK een organisatie die ook bewust burgerdoelen aanvalt?

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Op dinsdag 4 augustus 2015 00:10 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
Is de PKK een organisatie die ook bewust burgerdoelen aanvalt?

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Op dinsdag 4 augustus 2015 00:10 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
Is de PKK een organisatie die ook bewust burgerdoelen aanvalt?

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Op dinsdag 4 augustus 2015 14:25 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
In Turkish villages facing Islamic State, doubt hangs over U.S. strategy

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Op dinsdag 4 augustus 2015 14:34 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Ik zeg terug naar de tijd van Jitem en Abdullah Catli, gooi Hezbollah erbij.

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Op dinsdag 4 augustus 2015 14:32 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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In principe alleen de infrastructuur en het veiligheidsapparaat, maar je hebt er altijd leipo's tussen zitten die burgerdoelen aanvallen. Naast de PKK heb ook verschillende radicale groepen in Turkije zoals communisten en jihadisten die wel eens een bom willen laten ploffen.

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Op dinsdag 4 augustus 2015 23:10 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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dude kom op

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Op maandag 3 augustus 2015 20:35 schreef Montana_ir het volgende:
@rConflictNews: #PKK opens fire at military hospital in #Turkey’s east - @HDNER http://t.co/HpPJWpqcXr

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A public prosecutor's office has prepared a summary of proceedings that will allow pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) Co-chairperson Figen Yüksekdağ's parliamentary immunity from prosecution to be lifted, media has reported.
According to reports circulating in the media, the Şanlıurfa Public Prosecutor's Office prepared the summary of proceeding as part of a criminal investigation it launched last week against Yüksekdağ for recent remarks.
"We rely on the [Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG)], the [Women's Protection Units (YPJ)] and [the Democratic Union Party (PYD)]. We don't find it wrong to say that," the co-chair of the HDP said. The YPG, YPJ and the PYD, all armed groups affiliated with the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), are designated as terrorist organizations by the state.
Yüksekdağ delivered a statement last Friday regarding the news of her prosecution, saying she stands by her remarks.
Demirtaş, the other co-chair of the party, is currently facing up to 24 years in prison for allegedly provoking people to take up arms during violent protests triggered by events in the Syrian Kurdish town of Kobani late last year.
Kobani was under the control of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) at the time, and Kurdish groups harshly criticized Turkey for not arming Kurds in the area or facilitating their fight against the extremist organization.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on July 28 that politicians with links to terrorist groups should be stripped of their immunity from prosecution, before departing for an official visit to China.

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Turkey and the United States may have agreed on the use of the Incirlik Air Base near the southern city of Adana against the Islamic State in Syria, but the deal appears to have some snags, especially with regard to US assistance to Syrian Kurds fighting IS. This unresolved problem is considered one of the reasons why Incirlik has not been used yet in active operations by the US-led coalition, despite the urgency of the fight against IS and other groups such as Jabhat al-Nusra.

Pentagon spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis said earlier this week that armed drone missions were conducted out of the base last weekend, but added that none of the drones had launched airstrikes. Unarmed drones had already been flying out of the base. There are reports that the United States is delaying the use of manned aircraft from the base because it needs to set up search-and-rescue capabilities first.

Turkey Joins Anti-ISIS Fight, But a True Alliance Evades Obama

But Ankara and Washington are in open disagreement over who the armed drones and manned aircraft in Incirlik will assist on the ground during the fight against IS. Ankara says the Incirlik deal does not cover support for the People's Protection Units (YPG), the armed wing of the Democratic Union Party (PYD), which has emerged as the umbrella organization of the Syrian Kurds. Ankara sees these groups as the Syrian extension of the separatist Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which is outlawed by Turkey as a terrorist organization.

The United States has also listed the PKK as a terrorist organization and concedes Turkey’s right to respond to attacks by the group, but has refused to bow to Turkish demands to outlaw the PYD and YPG as well. The PYD is currently allied with the United States against IS. PKK elements have also been fighting IS alongside the PYD, making the issue between Ankara and Washington more confusing.

Washington’s only concession to Turkey in this regard has been to refuse PYD leader Saleh Muslim a visa to the United States. Muslim and other PYD and YPG officials have, however, been welcomed by European countries that are part of the US-led coalition against IS, and there is a tangible increase in sympathy in the West for the Syrian Kurds, regardless of Turkish efforts to demonize them.

The YPG raised its profile considerably in Western eyes after its fighters captured the strategic town of Tell Abyad near the Turkish border in June with air support from US jets. Ankara looked on this development with concern, fearing a prelude to the establishment of an autonomous Kurdish zone along its border with Syria by groups allied with the PKK.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan lashed out indirectly at the United States after the capture of Tell Abyad, claiming the West was striking Arabs and Turkmens in the town and settling PYD and PKK militants in their place. “How can we look on this positively? How can we consider the West to be honest?” Erdogan said, reflecting the anger felt in official Ankara circles.

A few days later, he said Turkey would never allow a Kurdish entity to be established in northern Syria. “Whatever the cost, we will continue our struggle in this regard,” he said angrily June 26. Disagreement on the topic of US assistance to the YPG surfaced again after State Department spokesman John Kirby told reporters in Washington on July 27 that the use of Incirlik would enable the US Air Force to assist YPG fighters on the ground more effectively.

Pointing out that the US-led coalition is already providing support to the YPG, Kirby said, “The fact that we now have access to bases in Turkey will allow for that support to be more timely and perhaps even more effective.” Kirby’s remarks, which were quickly picked up by the Turkish press, ruffled official feathers in Ankara. “The points indicated by Kirby do not reflect the agreement we arrived at [on Incirlik],” Ministry for Foreign Affairs spokesman Tanju Bilgic told reporters in a press briefing in Ankara.
Questioned later about Bilgic’s statement, State Department spokesman Mark Toner backed Kirby, indicating that Syrian Kurdish groups would be among those receiving support from the US-led coalition.

Many analysts in Ankara believe Turkey is in a weak position here and will have to eventually find a formula to accommodate US support for Syrian Kurdish fighters if it does not want to come out the loser from this dispute. Retired Maj. Gen. Armagan Kuloglu told Al-Monitor that the deal arrived at with the United States is primarily based on combating IS.

“Turkey joined this fight to allay the impression that it has been assisting IS. But it is also using the argument about the need to fight all forms of terrorism in order to get support from Washington against the PKK,” Kuloglu said. “Washington has given this support, albeit somewhat reluctantly, saying, ‘You have a right to fight the PKK,’ but it has also indicated that the PYD is altogether another matter,” he added.

Kuloglu, who comments frequently on political and military matters, went on to say it was unrealistic to expect the United States to give up its support of the Syrian Kurds. He added that it was also not possible for Ankara to revoke its decision to allow Incirlik to be used against IS because of US support for the PYD, which he suggested is here to stay. Kuloglu said active and effective participation by Turkey in the US-led coalition against IS may provide Ankara some leverage over the PYD.

Many analysts, however, have been noting Turkey’s lame response to IS when compared with its disproportionate response to PKK attacks and have taken this as a sign that Turkey is still not prepared to go all-out against IS even though it has been targeted by the group.

“Ankara has to find a formula for this problem with Washington because if it doesn’t, it stands to lose more than the US, especially with regard to its operations against the PKK in northern Iraq,” Kuloglu said, arguing that Iraq is effectively under US control, giving Turkey a free hand to carry on with its strikes against the PKK there.

Kuloglu also believes that Ankara’s insistence on its position toward Incirlik and the PYD would have a price in terms of turning international public opinion against Turkey again, given that Syrian Kurds have gained the sympathy of the West.

This appeared to be corroborated by a piece in the Independent by Patrick Cockburn, who argued, “So far, [IS] has not done too badly out of Turkey’s ‘game-changing’ turn against it." He went on, “If US aircraft based at Incirlik are forbidden to attack [IS] fighters when they are battling either the Syrian Kurds or the Syrian army, the militants’ two main opponents on the ground, then they will be no worse off militarily than they were before.”

Kuloglu also indicated that reports of an agreement between Turkey and the United States for a safe zone in northern Syria had to be taken with a pinch of salt. Many in the West believe Turkey wants this zone to prevent the advances of the Kurds, although Ankara says it wants it to protect Syrian refugees against IS and the Syrian regime.

“Despite these reports, the US says it will not put boots on the ground to protect this zone. Turkey can’t do this on its own, and it is not possible to rely on the Turkmens there, as the recent fiasco relating to fighters trained and equipped and sent to Syria show,” he said.

He was referring to reports of the way the group — trained and equipped in Turkey by the United States, made up mostly of Turkmen fighters and acting under the name of Division 30 — was routed by Jabhat al-Nusra fighters as soon as it entered Syria.

Like Kuloglu, many Turkish analysts believe Washington is merely appeasing Turkey by going along with its calls for a safe zone. They argue that Washington's ultimate aim is to establish a friendly Kurdish zone in northern Syria, and suggest there is little Ankara can do to counter this without locking horns with its Western allies and finding itself alone in its fight against the PKK.

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Op dinsdag 4 augustus 2015 23:10 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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dude kom op

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 21:26 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Volgens mij zei ik niks vreemds

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Op woensdag 5 augustus 2015 21:33 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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je doet voorkomen als of aanslagen op burgerdoelen een taboe is voor de pkk

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HDP contacts Turkish gov’t to end clashes with PKK

Following 10 days full of acts of terrorism by the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) and massive retaliation by the Turkish army against PKK bases in Iraq, the Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) has contacted the government in a move to end the clashes in order to resume talks in pursuit of a political solution to Turkey’s chronic problem.

An HDP delegation consisting of two MPs from the HDP, İdris Baluken and Sırrı Süreyya Önder, visited Muhammed Dervişoğlu, the undersecretary of the Public Order and Security (KDGM), on Aug. 4 in the first official contact since talks were paused in April because of the start of campaigning for the June 7 elections, official and party sources confirmed to the Hürriyet Daily News.

As a first step to softening the atmosphere, the government allowed the bodies of 12 Kurds and one German killed fighting for Syrian Kurdish forces led by the Democratic Union Party (PYD) against the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant (ISIL) in Syria and Iraq, to enter Turkey to be laid to rest, in return for a promise that the funerals would not be turned into PKK demonstrations. The bodies had been prevented from entering Turkey since the start of PKK actions and retaliatory Turkish operations. The bodies were delivered to their families and buried with no reported incident.

The visit of the HDP delegation to the KDGM took place hours after a meeting between the HDP and the social democratic Republican Peoples’ Party (CHP) in the office of CHP chairman Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu in parliament. Kılıçdaroğlu was the only leader to reply positively to a call by HDP co-chair Selahattin Demirtaş that politicians should sit and talk in order to stop the rising violence. Last week, the HDP was the only party to support the CHP’s call for the creation of a parliamentary commission on recent acts of terror, as the move was rejected with the votes of Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu’s Justice and Development Party (AK Parti) and Devlet Bahçeli’s Nationalist Movement Party (MHP).

One ranking official source who talked on condition of anonymity told HDN that the statement made by CHP spokesman Engin Altay was “exemplary” in the sense that he underlined the priority of the PKK stopping its actions in order to give space for “democratic politics.” “There should be no place for arms when the HDP can elect 80 deputies to parliament and can speak about everything they want; the road to legal politics is open in Turkey,” the source said.

Confirming that the message they got from the “state” was that the “military operations will not stop until the PKK stop its attacks,” one HDP source who asked not to be named told HDN that the recent dialogue between them and the CHP could be a reason why the government has decided to soften its attitude against the HDP and that the HDP thought “there is more that the CHP could do for domestic peace and democracy.”

In a parallel move by the HDP, Demirtaş flew to Brussels to have discussions with the ranking members of the Kurdistan Communities Union (KCK), the front organization of the PKK, probably with Zübeyr Aydar and Remzi Kartal as the two senior figures that have a say on PKK politics in general. Kartal told Radikal last week that the “solution process” was not at the point of no-return and that there could be a way out.

The official source talking to HDN said the HDP co-chairman could be surprised to hear that the KCK people would tell him that without an end to PKK actions, there could be no improvement, because “they would know that both the U.S. and the EU acknowledge Turkey’s right to respond to acts of terrorism.”

The sources also said the permission for an HDP delegation to visit PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan at İmralı prison – something that has not happened since April 5 – was also mentioned during the Aug. 4 conversation but that it would depend on “certain conditions.”

PM Davutoğlu said on July 25 that no political delegation would be allowed to visit Öcalan unless the PKK takes its armed groups out of Turkey, but HDP sources hope there could be a softening in that stance depending on developments if there are no actions and operations within the next few weeks.

August/06/2015

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Drie mensen, een politieagent en twee aanvallers, zijn in de nacht van zondag op maandag in Istanbul om het leven gekomen toen er een bom afging bij een politiebureau. Zeker tien anderen raakten gewond. Later in de nacht schoten twee personen op het Amerikaanse consulaat in dezelfde stad. De daders vluchtten toen de politie terugschoot. Een vrouwelijke verdachte is inmiddels aangehouden. Elders in Turkije kwamen nog eens vier Turkse agenten om het leven na een aanslag met een bermbom.

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Op donderdag 6 augustus 2015 12:31 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:
NATO Member Turkey Arming ISIS, Deploying Troops To Fight Against Kurds In Syria

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Op maandag 10 augustus 2015 13:55 schreef _ANKA_ het volgende:
http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)in-turkije~a4117058/

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Op donderdag 6 augustus 2015 12:31 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:
NATO Member Turkey Arming ISIS, Deploying Troops To Fight Against Kurds In Syria

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Russian president to Turkish ambassador: "tell your dictator President he can go to hell along with his ISIS terrorists, I will make Syria a 'Big Stalingrad' for him!"

The Moscow Times-- The Russian president Vladimir Putin broke the accepted diplomatic protocols and has personally summoned the Turkish ambassador to Moscow, Mr Ümit Yardim, and warned him that the Russian Federation shall sever the diplomatic relations immediately unless the Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan stops supporting ISIS rebels in Syria, where Russia holds its last navy base in the Mediterranean sea.

The Russian president purportedly went into a long diatribe criticizing the Turkish foreign policy and its malevolent role in Syria, Iraq and Yemen by supporting Saudi-backed al-Qaeda terrorists, reported the Moscow Times, which escalated the conversation with the Turkish ambassador to a fierce polemic.

According to The leaked information obtained by The Moscow Times, the meeting between the Mr.Purin and Turkish ambassador was imbued with intense mutual resentment where Mr. Yardim has repudiated all Russian accusations, laying blame on Russia for Syria's bitter and protracted civil war. "..then tell your dictator president he can go to hell along with his ISIS terrorist and I shall make Syria to nothing but a 'Big Stalingrad' , for Erdoğan and his Saudi allies are no vicious than Adolf Hitler," replied Vladimir Putin in the 2-hour closed door meeting with Turkish emissary.

How hypocrite is your president as he advocates democracy and lambaste the military coup d'état in Egypt, added Mr. Putin, and he simultaneously condones all terrorist activities aimed to overthrow Syrian president! The Russian president continued by saying that his country won't abandon Syrian legitimate administration and will cooperate with its allies ,namely Iran and China , to find a political solution to Syria's interminable civil war which descended the 23-million Arab nation to an utter ethnic and religious anarchy.

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Op maandag 10 augustus 2015 15:05 schreef nils7 het volgende:
http://www.awdnews.com/to(...)g-stalingrad-for-him

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Op maandag 10 augustus 2015 16:11 schreef ClapClapYourHands het volgende:

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Onzin bericht. Als je niet door zoveel onzin heen kan prikken gooi het eens een keertje door Google voordat je iets post.

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Op maandag 10 augustus 2015 16:27 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Hier staat een beter stuk met wel hele interessante conclusies.

Erdogan’s Fail

With NATO moves in the region, including air defense weapons for Latvia, the militarization of Poland and America’s silence on Kiev’s continued violation of the Minsk peace accords, Putin may well have chosen Erdogan as the “weak underbelly” of NATO. With Erdogan’s domestic political problems and his possible complicity in staged false flag terror attacks against political rivals, civil war in Turkey is a very real possibility.

With NATO voting last week to back Turkey’s moves against Iraq and Syria “without question,” Putin may well be extracting payment from the United States for 14 years of unreasoning bellicosity.

http://www.veteranstoday.(...)ans-support-of-isis/

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Gordon,
just so you know, the article you quoted has been removed from the Moscow Times.

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“The news stories published on some websites, claiming that Putin summoned Turkish Ambassador Umit Yardim, and called Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan a dictator are not true,” Putin’s press spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters at a teleconference Wednesday. “Moscow Denies Putin Called Erdogan ‘Dictator'” (Turkishny) and (videonews.us)

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Op maandag 10 augustus 2015 14:29 schreef johnson555 het volgende:

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Ah de een man bron/blogger

Ontopic: men claimt dat turkije isis bevoorraadt maar zijn er ook echt bewijzen en dan niet he said , she said maar concrete fotos/rapporten whatever.

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Op maandag 10 augustus 2015 18:39 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Enige isis die daar staat is van 'crisis'

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Turkey's state intelligence agency helped deliver arms to parts of Syria under Islamist rebel control during late 2013 and early 2014, according to a prosecutor and court testimony from gendarmerie officers seen by Reuters.

The witness testimony contradicts Turkey's denials that it sent arms to Syrian rebels and, by extension, contributed to the rise of Islamic State, now a major concern for the NATO member.

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Op maandag 10 augustus 2015 18:42 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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En als gevolg heeft bijgedragen. Oorzaak en gevolg twee verschillende dingen enzo.

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Op maandag 10 augustus 2015 18:44 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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Het ging mij meer om he ontkennen van het feit dat Erdogans met zijn achterlijke buitenland beleid mede schuldig was aan de crisis. En dat Erdogan niet openlijk ISIS bevoorraad spreekt voor zich, maar wie kan garanderen dat die wapens niet bij ISIS terecht zijn gekomen?

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Op maandag 10 augustus 2015 18:51 schreef Slayage het volgende:
en dat zijn de navo "partners" van turkije

Europe 'rejects' extradition of Turkey suspects

Sunday, 09 August 2015 14:07

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Op maandag 10 augustus 2015 18:52 schreef ClapClapYourHands het volgende:

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Landen als Duitsland zitten vuistdiep in de PKK. Echt smerig hoe Spiegel etc. over dit onderwerp praat.

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Op maandag 10 augustus 2015 18:51 schreef Slayage het volgende:
en dat zijn de navo "partners" van turkije

Europe 'rejects' extradition of Turkey suspects

Sunday, 09 August 2015 14:07

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Fresh evidence of casualties underscores need for impartial investigation into Turkish airstrikes in Kandil Mountains

Evidence collected by Amnesty International in a fact-finding mission indicates that multiple Turkish government airstrikes killed eight residents and injured at least eight others – including a child - in a flagrantly unlawful attack on the village of Zergele, in the Kandil Mountains in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq.

The airstrikes on 1 August were part of a military campaign launched by Turkey against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) but according to information gathered by Amnesty International these residents were not affiliated with the PKK. The organization is calling on the Turkish government to launch an independent, impartial and effective investigation into the airstrikes and to publicly release the findings of their investigation.

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Telegraph twitterde op zondag 09-08-2015 om 13:59:06 'Turkish airstrikes killed my siblings while I fought Isil' http://t.co/Ma4gXnfyoh http://t.co/9ttCVUs2HW reageer retweet

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SeniorB twitterde op woensdag 12-08-2015 om 14:22:42 #BREAKING Fierce clashes between #Turkish army and #PKK fighters eastern #Turkey. reageer retweet

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SeniorB twitterde op woensdag 12-08-2015 om 14:37:03 #BREAKING Rocket fell on a police station around #Diyarbakir, 3 wounded, #PKK lunching multiple attacks on the #Turkish army. #Turkey reageer retweet

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SeniorB twitterde op woensdag 12-08-2015 om 14:53:09 #BREAKING #Diyarbakir attack Update: one #Turkish soldier killed and 5 wounded. #Turkey reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 12 augustus 2015 18:07 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Heb je de OP gelezen?

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Op woensdag 12 augustus 2015 14:46 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Lees wat tegenstrijdige dingen in de Turkse media over Zergele, volgens CNNTurk (Dogan) betreft het een PKK Kamp, volgens Star / Sabah ( Erdofanboys) betreft het wapen, geld en drugspakhuizen voor de PKK, volgens Rudaw had Barzani al eerder de PKK verzocht om op te krassen uit Zergele. De HDP is van mening dat het allemaal lieverdjes en onschuldigen waren, terwijl de AKP de slachtoffers 'betreurt', maar er wel PKK doelen zijn beschoten.

_{FYI, linkjes zijn allemaal Turks.}

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Op woensdag 12 augustus 2015 18:00 schreef _ANKA_ het volgende:
PKK commandant onder vuur genomen:
http://videonuz.cdn.gostr(...)-nin-vurulma-ani.mp4
Bron: http://m.ahaber.com.tr/gu(...)e-ates-altina-alindi

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Op woensdag 12 augustus 2015 18:32 schreef W.H.I.S.T.L.E het volgende:
Daarom moet pkk z.s.m. uitgeroeid worden!

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Op woensdag 12 augustus 2015 19:14 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
Hakkari:

Hakkari'de cenaze yürüyüşünde olaylar çıktı

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Op woensdag 12 augustus 2015 19:16 schreef Odaiba het volgende:

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Waarom is het daar zo onrustig?

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Op woensdag 12 augustus 2015 19:20 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Spanningen tussen pro-PKK en Turkse veiligheidstroepen tijdens rouwstoet/demo

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Op woensdag 12 augustus 2015 19:20 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Spanningen tussen pro-PKK en Turkse veiligheidstroepen tijdens rouwstoet/demo

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Op woensdag 12 augustus 2015 19:30 schreef W.H.I.S.T.L.E het volgende:

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Begrafenis van een terrorist, rouwstoet voor een terrorist.
Spanningen tussen pro terroristen en Turkse veiligheidstroepen.