[Centraal] Irak en IS #137 Irak zal zegevieren!

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:21 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Vergeet Syri� niet.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:23 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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Dus je wist dat je bullshit aan het verkondigen was voordat je het deed?

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:26 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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is niet leesbaar

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:27 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Het is mens-eigen dat je niet staat te springen om naar een plek te moeten gaan, je leven te riskeren en kogels te moeten ontwijken. Waarom denk je dat Iraakse veiligheidsdiensten zijn gevlucht toen IS opkwam? Niet omdat ze graag een conflict aangaan zonder angst voor eigen veiligheid in ieder geval.

Dat Hezbollah onder dubieuze omstandigheden mensen rekruteert en naar Syri� stuurt zijn her en daar wel claims over.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:30 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Het is te makkelijk om de schuld te schuiven op de Fransen, Engelsen, Amerikanen, (Golf)Arabieren, Joden etc. 'We' hebben het toch echt zelf verkloot daarna, alle credits voor de chaos in Irak na Saddam en de bombardementen mogen prima naar het Westen, maar als een moslim een andere moslim doodt met een mes / pistool in zijn hand, is het niet de schuld van de buitenstaanders.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:30 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Het is te makkelijk om de schuld te schuiven op de Fransen, Engelsen, Amerikanen, (Golf)Arabieren, Joden etc. 'We' hebben het toch echt zelf verkloot daarna, alle credits voor de chaos in Irak na Saddam en de bombardementen mogen prima naar het Westen, maar als een moslim een andere moslim doodt met een mes / pistool in zijn hand, is het niet de schuld van de buitenstaanders.

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sayed_ridha twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 12:06:03 Hadi Al-Amiri visits PM Al-Jabouri to discuss security situation, war on #IS, #Diyala & IDPs/refugees #Iraq http://t.co/WuyF0SRujv reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:31 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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Die Slayage is gewoon zuur dat de Engelsen en Fransen het ottomaanse rijk in stukken hebben verdeelt. Heb je dat niet door?

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 15:27:03 #Iraq; Da'ish didn't even have time to pick up their washing in Anbar Uni. Either slaughtered or fled. http://t.co/UFSiHp1g47 reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 15:21:33 The village of Albu Juwari, near Baiji oil refinery, under #Iraq forces' control. http://t.co/6kFrpj4THi reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 15:16:28 Weapons seized by #Iraq's forces in #Anbar university from Da'ish militants. http://t.co/9cJEOwUljQ reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 14:29:43 Recent images of #Iraq's forces as they advanced further into Ramadi. Ta'mim district + Qassim bridge liberated. http://t.co/RDoILxdDcG reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 11:08:31 Foreign Da'ish gunmen killed by Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq in Baiji (From #Turkey & #Kosovo). Palestinian killed nearby. #Iraq http://t.co/5VqFOB30Ii reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 11:08:31 Foreign Da'ish gunmen killed by Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq in Baiji (From #Turkey & #Kosovo). Palestinian killed nearby. #Iraq http://t.co/5VqFOB30Ii reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 14:41 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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heb het ook niet over geweldadig sektarisme

een iraakse koerd is eerder een koerd dan een iraki
een iraakse sunni is eerder een sunni dan een iraki
een iraakse sjia is eerder sjia dan een iraki

komt omdat irak als natie opgelegd is aan de bevolking en dus niet verwonderlijk dat de mensen zich zo associeren aan elkaar

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 10:47:10 Um Qusay, the Sunni heroine who rescued 25 Shi'a cadets from the Speicher massacre. A living embodiment of valour. http://t.co/V76gZPBHPo reageer retweet

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IraqLiveUpdate twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 02:34:26 Aid delivered to 'Sunni' Haditha #Anbar coming from office of #AyatollahSistani the top 'Shia' leader in #Iraq http://t.co/MT8CL5nppd reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:44 schreef Slayage het volgende:
ff mijn verrekijker koelen LAN

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MustafaNajafi twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 12:57:13 Temperatures this week have reached over 50 �C (125 �F) and some areas only get 3 or 4 hours of electricity supplied per day. reageer retweet

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MustafaNajafi twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 13:11:45 President of the Council Salahuddin Ahmed Karim confirms the return of more than 1,300 displaced families to Tikrit after its liberation. reageer retweet

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Hayder_alKhoei twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 11:40:19 Protest expected in Baghdad. "They fight for the sake of our children, let's protest for the sake of their children" http://t.co/qfTma1qNHh reageer retweet

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Hayder_alKhoei twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 11:42:30 It's expected to be a cross-sectarian protest against gov't corruption & failure to provide security, services. Iraqis have had enough. #pt reageer retweet

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Hayder_alKhoei twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 13:27:20 #Syria Safe Zones Will Undermine US Fight Against ISIS http://t.co/ucI8p2vSjl by Neil Quilliam & Jonathan Friedman via @ChathamHouse reageer retweet

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Hayder_alKhoei twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 14:19:40 Some politicians may attend protest to exploit widespread public anger at outrageous electricity situation, but it could backfire. #pt #Iraq reageer retweet

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IraqLiveUpdate twitterde op zondag 26-07-2015 om 19:11:45 Four #Gold bars awarded by Iraqi Cen Bank to 'Sunni' #OmQusay who saved young Shia cadets from #Speicher1700 massacre http://t.co/QxOrYnZO2o reageer retweet

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In May last year, who in the West had heard of the "Peshmerga"? Wasn't that a kind of scarf? No, the BBC, CNN and Sky News told us, these were warriors for freedom, brave Kurds, rallying against the ISIS threat when the Iraqi army had fled in disarray. Even Marie Claire, the woman's lifestyle magazine, did a piece on them, highlighting with some justification the role that female fighters play in their ranks.

What's more, the Peshmerga weren't scary Arabs, which meant we could send them guns. And boy did we send them guns. The United States air-dropped Russian-made weapons almost immediately, although where they had bought them remains unclear. Then Washington agreed to send, via Baghdad, fifteen thousand hand grenades, eighteen thousand assault rifles, forty-five thousand mortar rounds, forty thousand RPG rounds and nearly three thousand RPG launchers.

Germany, in a rare example of the government exporting weapons to a live conflict zone, armed four thousand Kurds with equal alacrity, sending troop transport vehicles, Milan anti-tank rocket launchers, armour-piercing bazookas, heavy machine guns, sixteen thousand rifles, eight thousand pistols and six million rounds of ammunition.

Despite its slashed defence budget, even Britain joined in, gifting half a million more bullets, forty heavy machine guns and an unspecified number of mortars and sets of body-armour. While a British presence in Iraq is almost comically small ("David Cameron is not in Iraq"), the British Army has deployed its considerable expertise in training Peshmerga forces on how to avoid and defuse mines and improvised explosive devices (IEDs). We have also supplied fifty tonnes of non-lethal and medical equipment, according to the Ministry of Defence; meanwhile, RAF pilots have helped to deliver a further "three hundred tonnes" on behalf of other nations.

This, apparently, is still not enough. "Ninety per cent of the burden of this war is on the shoulders of the Peshmerga," claimed Masrour Barzani, the chief of the Kurdish intelligence corps, "and ninety per cent of the work is done by the Peshmerga, but we are only getting ten per cent of the weapons." Barzani's brothers are both leading Kurdish generals. His father, Masud, is President of Kurdistan.

Now, let's be clear, the Peshmerga are certainly brave and they are certainly holding back ISIS, but their rulers, the Barzani clan, are dictators and gangsters. Masud Barzani isn't meant to be president; there is a strict two term limit on the post, which he's just ignored. When a Kurdish poet wrote a satirical piece recently poking fun at the Barzani family, he was arrested and executed. If Kurdish businessmen don't pay the right bribes to the Barzanis, they too face arrest. Numerous journalists writing critically about the clan have simply disappeared.

"You son of a dog, if you publish that magazine tomorrow, I'll entomb your head in your dog father's grave," one newspaper editor was told. Eighteen months later, he was shot dead outside his home. When Arab Spring-inspired street marches hit Kurdistan in 2011, there were over three hundred and fifty attacks on journalists by the Barzanis' thugs. There have been hundreds more since then.

The Barzanis also appear to be overseeing a campaign of ethnic cleansing, while other Kurdish fighters in northern Syria have been accused of the same. They deny these charges, but diplomats and several aid workers attest to seeing Sunni Arabs driven from their homes in their thousands, their former dwellings burned to the ground. Many of the displaced Sunnis have lived there for decades, having been encouraged to move there by Saddam Hussein.

Looting, arson and forcible removal hardly seems a recipe for ongoing stability, and with the West simply standing by, often the only place for the Sunni Arabs to go is into ISIS-controlled territory.

You will see or hear almost none of this in the Western media. CNN, Bloomberg and other major outlets have all interviewed Masrour Barzani, giving him a platform to call for yet more weapons to strengthen his nascent mafia state. The Kurds remain lionised in the media to the extent that former soldiers and Western adventurers have been inspired to fight alongside them. In reality, there are no good guys in this fight.

So while the Western arms continue to pour in for the Barzani clan and their troops, are we helping "degrade and destroy" ISIS, or simply propping up another local dictatorship? The Iraqi Kurds certainly haven't shown any desire to attack ISIS beyond their own borders. Hats off to the Peshmerga for the work they've done, but let's be realistic about what Kurdistan is; a deeply unpleasant autocracy run by mafia bosses who kill, imprison or displace anyone who gets in their way.

This article was updated at 11:01 BST on July 30 2015 to reflect the fact that Barzani does not directly control Kurdish fighters in Syria, though the groups are linked ethnically and collaborate frequently.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:53 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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Wat is dat nu weer voor achterlijke post?

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MustafaNajafi twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 12:57:13 Temperatures this week have reached over 50 �C (125 �F) and some areas only get 3 or 4 hours of electricity supplied per day. reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:17 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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In Turkei niet.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:08 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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Dat heeft helemaal niets met de discussie te maken..

Jij stelt dat een Irakees zich niet als Irakees ziet. Je geeft daar geen enkel argument voor, ontwijkt zo'n beetje alle vragen en komt nu opeens met een kaartje van voormalig Joegoslavie?

Als je geen argumenten hebt. Zeg dan gewoon: "jongens, ik weet het niet, maar ik geloof dat het zo is"

Ik stelde je trouwens een vraag. Waar uit Turkije kom je?

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 16:16 schreef Stimorol- het volgende:

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JIj kent Slayage, niet? Hij gaat nooit in op details en stelt vaak tegenvragen of antwoordt met smileys.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 16:16 schreef Stimorol- het volgende:

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JIj kent Slayage, niet? Hij gaat nooit in op details en stelt vaak tegenvragen of antwoordt met smileys.

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Op donderdag 30 juli 2015 12:02 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:

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Een islamitische partij die het oneens is met gemengde watergevechten in een openbaar park?

Ja, vreemd is dat.

Weetje wat het verschil alleen is tussen die "sjiitische milities" en jou helden?

Ze gebruiken geen geweld om hun wil op te leggen aan de bevolking.

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IraqLiveUpdate twitterde op zondag 26-07-2015 om 19:11:45 Four #Gold bars awarded by Iraqi Cen Bank to 'Sunni' #OmQusay who saved young Shia cadets from #Speicher1700 massacre http://t.co/QxOrYnZO2o reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 16:35 schreef vermist het volgende:

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Dat 'geen geweld' komt niet overeen met wat in het artikel staat of met eerdere acties zoals het stenigingen van 90 tieners...

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The armed men are said to belong to “one of the most extremist religious groups” in Iraq.

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News of the gruesome deaths drew a stern reaction from Iraq's prominent Shia cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who criticized the stoning of the young men as "an act of terrorism."

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En wie zijn mijn helden en wat leggen die op aan de bevolking?

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 16:45 schreef Smack-a-jack het volgende:
Waar staat in het artikel dat er geweld is gebruikt?

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The waves of criticism, mostly among Islamic political parties, were followed by security crackdowns in Baghdad’s nightclubs and large hotels last week. Many clubgoers and artists have been beaten and arrested, security sources told MEE.

On Monday, unknown gunmen raided a night club in central Baghdad, shot and killed a civilian and wounded two policemen, according to a federal police officer who declined to use his name or share further details.

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"The Sadr movement is a religious party and, of course, if the practices of these festivals are violating the Islamic and social manners, then we are against it," Thaier al-Bahadli, a member of Baghdad's provincial council and a Sadrist leader told MEE.

“These practices [youth festivals and night clubs] were witnessing moral violations and we had received many complaints from families which were impacted by these practices, so we acted," Bahadli said.

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En waar verder nooit meer iets over in het nieuws gekomen is?

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Daar heeft Asaib ahl al haq trouwens niets mee te maken, noch een van de andere milities die aan de zijde van het Iraakse leger vechten.. Die vechten allemaal namelijk vanwege een fatwa van diezelfde Ayatollah al Sistani die ik net citeer.

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Jou held is die terrorist die je daar als icon hebt. Hij legt zijn Marxistische denkwijze op aan de bevolking dmv terreuraanslagen en geweld.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 14:54 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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met salafi/takfiris heb ik ook sowieso absoluut niks mee.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 18:00 schreef Montana_ir het volgende:

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Niet liegen lan, jij bent pro al-Nusra(Al-Qaeda) en Jaish Alfatih.

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 15:05 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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dit was ook ooit een land, totdat nationalistische sentimenten begonnen op te spelen, toen waren ze opeens, sloveen / kroaat / servier / moslim / albanees.
buren / beste vrienden begonnen elkaar uit te moorden, terwijl er vlak voor het land uit elkaar viel niks aan de hand was. maar schijn bedriegt kennelijk.

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On Monday, ]unknown gunmen raided a night club in central Baghdad, shot and killed a civilian and wounded two policemen, according to a federal police officer who declined to use his name or share further details.

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For several weeks, Iraq has been gripped by a most gruesome rumour.
Iraqi teenagers who dress in tight black clothes, the rumour goes, are being picked up by extremists who then crush their skulls with blocks of cement.
The victims are referred to as "emos", a term originally used in the West to describe youths who listen to a melodic style of rock music, and dress in alternative clothing.
But in Iraq, it has come to mean any man with long hair or a slightly feminine appearance. Emos have also been described alternatively as Satanists, vampires, gays, masons, or all of the above.
Some Iraqi media have said dozens of them, perhaps more than 70, have been killed recently.
Soon enough, almost every media organisation in the country was scrambling to put together its own report about the unexpected phenomenon, and the accompanying terror.
The only problem is that little of it has been verified.
According to the authorities, none of this has happened[/b]. A spokesman for Iraq's police said that some young people do dress "strangely", and they have been "dealt with" through peaceful guidance. Alaa Jassem said the media blew the whole thing out of proportion.
He mentioned the case of a [b]"delicate" 17-year-old man named Saif who was killed, but added that it was "just a tribal killing" that had nothing to do with his appearance.

'Targeted intimidation'
The authorities certainly have a stake in dispelling any notion that extremists are on the loose in Baghdad, killing teenagers. But others are also treating the reports with caution.
The BBC contacted a spokesman for Unicef, the United Nations' child protection agency.
Jaya Murthy, who is in Baghdad, expressed concern, calling for a government investigation, and added Unicef has not been able to confirm a single case.
Later, a joint statement by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission said there was a "targeted campaign of intimidation and violence against Iraqi youth seen as belonging to the non-conformist emo subculture".
The intimidation is clear for all to see. In Sadr City, a conservative neighbourhood in east Baghdad, leaflets were posted on main streets with lists of names of young men.
They are called "gay" and threatened with death unless they "change their ways" and stop behaving "like the people of Lot".
And that was only the most visible form of intimidation. The BBC made several attempts to interview young men thought to be emos, and they all pulled out at the last minute. Their fear was very real.
[b]But whether there was a targeted campaign of violence appears less certain.[/b]
A spokesman for Amnesty International said Amnesty could not get solid confirmation or names of victims.
Said Boumedouha said the only pictures of dead bodies were those circulated on the internet of Saif and "probably" another man.

Saif's story
Saif appeared to be the one man everyone was talking about. A friend of his told the BBC he was killed "towards the end of last month, or the beginning of this month", because of his hairstyle and clothes.
His body was found early one morning close to his home in east Baghdad. He was killed by a blow to the head.
Saif's friend also said there was another man who was killed the same way. He said he did not know him, but had seen his picture on Facebook.
Despite all the uncertainty, the Iraqi media were still reporting dozens of killings.
Iraqi MP Safia Seheil says there is an extremist agenda at work: "There are political and social forces that want all of Iraqi society to conform to their own world view."
She has called on the government to acknowledge the problem and protect the vulnerable. But she also says exaggeration is part of the problem.
"The exaggeration itself is an agenda too. All the cases point only to a limited number [of victims], but the rumours jump around from one area to another. Some Iraqi media seem to have adopted the cause, and perhaps inadvertently caused panic among the youth," said Safia Seheil.
Amid all the confusion, there is a glimmer of hope.
The joint statement by the human rights groups said that, unlike a spate of attacks in 2009 against gay Iraqis, "the recent campaign has generated strong condemnation within Iraq".
It pointed to a statement by Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the most influential Iraqi cleric, which described the killings as un-Islamic acts of terrorism.
And even as the Iraqi press was circulating unconfirmed reports of dozens of deaths, many columnists were also railing against extremism and calling on the government to protect freedom of expression.

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Hoe weet jij dat? Velen geven een militie van Al-Sadr de schuld, die vecht mee tegen IS.

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 21:43:38 Anti-corruption protests today in Tahrir Sq, #Baghdad. Went off without a hitch, hopefully a message sent to gov't. http://t.co/ClutfVJYQ3 reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 21:55:01 More lovely images from today's anti-corruption protests in #Baghdad, Iraqis showing the world how it's done. http://t.co/wSHimZmpno reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 22:58:55 3 villages north of Ramadi liberated by #Iraq's forces, around 30 Da'ish gunmen killed. The villages are Albu Sha'aban, Tahuna and Jama'ia. reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 22:53:20 Most (if not all) entrances and exits into Fallujah are now under #Iraq control. This is making it easier for civilians to leave the city. reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 23:51:16 #NATO agrees on #Iraq support package http://t.co/TwDN3MuSYV reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op zaterdag 01-08-2015 om 00:48:41 Iraqis turn up, protest corruption, thank police and go home. PM listens and suspends corrupt minister. Beautiful. http://t.co/jLmVRSS5Nz reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op zaterdag 01-08-2015 om 00:52:11 Do you guys think any other MidEast countries could pull off a move like this? Amidst misery, chaos and war... #Baghdad remains mesmerising. reageer retweet

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IraqiSecurity twitterde op zaterdag 01-08-2015 om 01:11:51 How the people of Baghdad protest... And how the people of Anbar protest. I'll let the images speak for themselves. http://t.co/Sv8RQACOn9 reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 31 juli 2015 14:41 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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heb het ook niet over geweldadig sektarisme

een iraakse koerd is eerder een koerd dan een iraki
een iraakse sunni is eerder een sunni dan een iraki
een iraakse sjia is eerder sjia dan een iraki

komt omdat irak als natie opgelegd is aan de bevolking en dus niet verwonderlijk dat de mensen zich zo associeren aan elkaar

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AliAjeena twitterde op zaterdag 01-08-2015 om 00:12:24 Baghdadi protestors prostrate to the Iraqi flag in Tahrir Square, Baghdad. Never lose hope on Iraq. http://t.co/xjVecTFa3h reageer retweet

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bitterarab twitterde op vrijdag 17-07-2015 om 07:45:32 I'm from predominantly Sunni family, with some Shias/Christians so don't understand illogical sectarianism since we live peacefully lol reageer retweet

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AliAjeena twitterde op vrijdag 31-07-2015 om 22:18:29 Iraqis of #Najaf start protesting the lack of electricity and basic civil rights. http://t.co/zYEo0vkBVb reageer retweet

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AliAjeena twitterde op zaterdag 01-08-2015 om 00:17:21 This Baghdadi lady biked all the way to Tahrir Square in demand for her stolen rights. http://t.co/WTwG9pJiYd reageer retweet

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For Saudi Arabia, fighting the self-proclaimed Islamic State presents a double-edged sword. Not only does the kingdom face threats from terrorists on its soil, but IS poses a threat to the very core of the kingdom's beliefs system, as it has roots in a version of Islam — Wahhabism — that is taught in many Saudi schools and mosques.

On July 18, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) launched a wide-reaching domestic security operation that resulted in the arrests of 431 individuals accused of having links to the IS. Among the charges were plans to attack mosques, and security and government buildings, along with an unnamed diplomatic mission.

This arrest operation now joins a growing list of security incidents with links to IS, and includes the disruption of a plot to target the US embassy with a car bomb in March, the killing of police officers in April, and the suicide bombing of two Shia mosques in May.

While these incidents continue to highlight the operational reach of IS, they also underscore a more fundamental challenge for the government of Saudi Arabia: how to simultaneously fight IS abroad and at home.

Both remain daunting tasks given the number of active Saudi foreign fighters in Iraq and Syria, which according to an estimate released by the International Center for the Study of Radicalization and Political Violence (ICSR) is now between 1,500 and 2,500 individuals — making Saudis the second largest group of foreign fighters on the ground with IS, after Tunisians.

Related: The Islamic State's Propaganda War: Advertisers and Marketers Weigh in on the World's Angriest Ad Campaign

Some of these fighters will inevitably return to Saudi Arabia, looking to establish domestic terrorist cells by spreading the message of IS in mosques and on the internet. This remains a core strategy of IS leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, who refers to Saudi Arabia as Wilayat al Haramayn, or Province of the Two Holy Places, a reference to the Islamic holy sites of Mecca and Medina.

"Saudi Arabia has religious significance for al Baghdadi's pretensions to rule over the Islamic caliphate," Philip Stack, principal analyst for the Middle East and North Africa at Verisk Maplecroft, a global risk analytics firm, told VICE News. "[He] claimed jurisdiction over what he termed Wilayat al Haramayn in November 2014, [asserting] his direction over jihadists in Saudi Arabia."

This would not be the first time Saudi Arabia has had to combat a domestic jihadist uprising. In 1979, militants seized the Grand Mosque of Mecca, calling for the overthrow of the Saudi government. More recently, and coinciding with the invasion of Iraq by US forces in 2003, al Qaeda launched a violent three-year insurrection that targeted security forces, Westerners, and government officials.

Saudi Arabia's security services were eventually able to defeat the al Qaeda-led insurgency through a mixture of innovative counter-terrorism operations, such as printing the names of al Qaeda operatives in the press, and trying to rehabilitate jihadists through extensive religious re-education.

Watch the VICE News Documentary: Escape to the Islamic State

But IS isn't al Qaeda, and the number of Saudis now involved with IS and the resources available to them — in terms of both financing and personal appeal — has exceeded anything that was ever available to al Qaeda. The presence of IS across the border in Iraq, and to a lesser degree in Yemen, is also posing a unique challenge in containing the spread of extremism within Saudi Arabia.

And even though the objective of overthrowing the Saudi government has remained the same, the strategies being used by IS are evolving. They are now focused on the same kinds of sectarian attacks being used in Iraq, Syria, and Yemen — such as the targeting of Shia mosques.

"In Saudi, IS is most certainly in the beginning of the first stage: spite and burnout," Ghaidaa Hetou, of i-Strategic, a political risk consulting firm, told VICE News, referring to one of the two stages of IS's operational doctrine. "In this stage, one particular incident of [terror] will not capture a specific aim, but the aggregate of several incidents … will gradually, in their view, lead to a collapse of the system."

By engaging in these kinds of sectarian attacks, IS conforms to a well-known approach, one that will attempt to drive a wedge between the people they are attacking and the government that is supposed to protect them. By doing so, IS hopes to promote instability within Saudi Arabia by making the government appear weak and ineffectual.

And given the scope of the arrest operation on July 18, there is clearly a widening apprehension over IS penetration within Saudi Arabia.

"The support for IS is rising in [Saudi Arabia]," Hetou said.

This support originates from more than just social and political conditions, however, and is far more troublesome for long-term stability. Core tenets of the IS belief system, which include a hatred of Shia and executions for apostasy and adultery, all originate with Wahhabi religious teachings that have legitimized the Saudi government. More specifically, IS has taken the idea that apostates and heretics should be killed and combined that with the notion that just about any devout Muslim can deem someone else insufficiently pure or Islamic, and therefore apostate, and therefore subject to on-the-spot execution.

For people who have received their religious indoctrination in these Saudi schools and mosques, the next step into the extreme doctrines embraced by IS is not a huge one.

This has put the Saudi government in a precarious position.

"You look at the core tenets of Wahhabism and you look at the core tenets that have been espoused by IS and they are exactly the same," Akhil Shah, a counterterrorism and foreign policy analyst at the Institute for Gulf Affairs, told VICE News. "Groups like the Islamic State give young Saudis an identity. It takes place within the same ecosystem, ideology, and religious outlook."

Therefore, to fully undermine the ideological basis of IS, the Saudi religious establishment would have to subvert the doctrines that are nearly identical to those that support their own authority. Thus, theologically undermining IS risks undermining the legitimacy of the entire Saudi government.

This has left the Saudis with only a few options, such as reconciling with the minority Shia population or limiting the influence of religious ideologies that might resemble those of IS. Both of these choices inevitably support the narrative of IS, who claim that the Saudi government is not only corrupt, but also religiously compromised.

Related: The Only Thing Iraq's Sunnis and Shias Hate More Than Each Other Is the Islamic State

"They [IS] are revisionists with a clear political aim,"Hetou said. "They are motivated to 'correct the humiliating past … on the hands of the infidels and their puppets.' The Saudi authority is regarded as an American puppet."

For some in Saudi Arabia, this is all the incentive needed to seek out and support IS.

The circumstances required for IS to thrive in Saudi Arabia are currently sub-optimal. IS tends to mature in ungoverned spaces and failed states like Syria, Iraq, and Yemen, and the Saudi government is far from collapse. Nevertheless, for IS's vision of the caliphate to become fully realized, IS must be seen struggling for control of the spiritual capital of Islam, or the Wilayat al Haramayn. This means the terrorism and insurgency that is currently plaguing the Middle East is far from over in Saudi Arabia.

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ahmusawi twitterde op donderdag 30-07-2015 om 21:25:17 Investigation finds Marines burned corpses of insurgents in Fallujah "for sanitary reasons" http://t.co/0HpUpe5efH http://t.co/jByLRSpwmO reageer retweet

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ahmusawi twitterde op donderdag 30-07-2015 om 21:31:44 #pt US officials and veterans have the gall to moralize over the conduct of Iraqis fighting ISIS #hypocrites @mehdirhasan @MaxAbrahms reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 08:01 schreef vigen98 het volgende:
Ondertussen ben ik weer terug in NL En meteen is het al koud Ik wil terug

Simpel Irakees gerecht: Tuinbonen met Olie

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Ankara is disappointed by Baghdad's reaction to the Turkish airstrikes against Kurds on the Iraqi territory.

Turkey's Role in Syria More About Countering Kurdish Expansion Than Fighting ISIL
ANKARA (Sputnik) — Ankara is disappointed by the negative reaction from Iraqi authorities to its campaign in northern Iraq against militants of the outlawed-in-Turkey Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), the country’s Foreign Ministry said Friday.
Earlier this week, the Iraqi parliament called on the Turkish government to stop conducting airstrikes in its territory and warned that the continuation of the strikes could lead to a deterioration in bilateral relations.

"Our support to the fight that is being waged by Iraq against Islamic State is obvious. Iraqi authorities are aware of our policy of good neighborly relations. That’s why, the negative reaction of the Iraqi authorities to the actions undertaken by our country within the framework of international law against the PKK terrorist organization is disappointing," the Turkish Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Baghdad has failed to remove the threat of attacks on Turkey from within its territory leaving many armed PKK militants to operate in northern Iraq, the statement emphasized.

Explosion in Turkish City on Border With Syria Leaves 28 Dead, at Least 100 Injured
Last week, Turkey launched a two-front military campaign against Islamic State militants in Syria and the PKK in northern Iraq following a suicide attack in the Turkish border city of Suruc that killed 32 people, and the murders of two police officers in the southern city of Ceylanpinar.
The attack in Suruc was reportedly committed by ISIL, while the PKK claimed responsibility for the Ceylanpinar killings, saying the policemen had backed the Islamic State.

The PKK is a Kurdish insurgent group that aims to achieve self-determination for the Kurdish community. The faction is considered a terrorist organization by the Turkish authorities.

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Op zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 16:00 schreef ClapClapYourHands het volgende:
PKK should leave Iraqi Kurdistan, says Barzani leadership

The Kurdish leadership in Iraq says the PKK must leave to avoid civilian casualties in air strikes by Turkey

Kurdish rebels of the PKK should move out of Iraqi Kurdistan to prevent Turkish air strikes against them from causing civilian casualties, the region's leadership said on Saturday.

"The PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) must keep the battlefield away from the Kurdistan region in order for civilians not to become victims of this war," the office of the region's president Massud Barzani said in a statement.

Turkey has carried out hundreds of raids against the Kurdish rebel group's mountain bases on either side of the Iraqi border.

The PKK itself has admitted to only a handful of deaths in its ranks but the official Turkish news agency Anatolia on Saturday put the figure at around 260, although it gave no source.

PKK sources on Saturday claimed that at least 10 civilians had been killed by Turkish airstrikes in the Qandil mountains. “Two people lost their lives in the airstrikes,” Firat News Agency quoted one local as saying. “The villagers and their relatives that went to the scene for them were also bombed by Turkish jets, which left seven people dead. The Turkish state is targeting Kurds. All the people living here, and all those killed in the strikes, are civilians and villagers.”

Barzani's Kurdistan Democratic Party has often been at odds with the PKK but has long allowed its fighters to take shelter from the Turkish army in mountain regions on the Iraqi side of the border.

In the same statement, Barzani also urged the PKK and the Turkish government to resume a peace process which the recent violence has all but shattered.

"The Kurdistan presidency is clear in demanding that the PKK keep its military bases away from the region in order not to give the Turkish government any justification when it bombs civilians," Kifah Mahmud, a Barzani adviser, told AFP.

"If the PKK did not have bases inside the region, Turkey would not be bombing civilians," he said.

"The region's presidency has asked the PKK to take its forces out, especially since there is an agreement between the Iraqi and Turkish governments allowing Turkish forces to enter the Iraqi side."

Ankara and Baghdad signed a "hot pursuit" agreement in the era of now executed dictator Saddam Hussein, allowing both sides to hunt down Kurdish rebels 15 kilometres (10 miles) into each other's territory.

Mahmud said the agreement was still valid.

Barzani's party has enjoyed good relations with Turkey, a major investor and trading partner for the autonomous region.

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http://news.yahoo.com/pkk(...)lties-110958637.html

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SeniorB twitterde op zaterdag 01-08-2015 om 13:43:03 #KRP #Barzani Adviser: We didn't demand to expel the #PKK from #KR land but we ask #PKK to drive away the tension from the civilian areas. reageer retweet

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Op zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 20:54 schreef ClapClapYourHands het volgende:


Hij zegt gewoon tegen PKK op te rotten en dat ze niks in het noorden van Irak te zoeken hebben.

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Op zaterdag 1 augustus 2015 21:15 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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In het noorden niet idd, maar aan het front heeft hij ze nog hard nodig (Sinjar/Kirkuk/Makhmour).