Crisis Oekraïne - Rusland #203 Nog altijd geen oplossing

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Op donderdag 14 mei 2015 09:07 schreef Smack10 het volgende:

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Dat zeg ik.

De Nederlandse overheid sponsorde ook al jarenlang een tv station in Oekraïne waarin neo facisten opriepen tot massamoord in het oosten van Oekraïne.

Hier de financiering:

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Hier de oproep tot het vermoorden van 1,5 miljoen mensen:

Bogdan Boutkevitch: You need to kill 1.5 million people in Donbass

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Op donderdag 14 mei 2015 13:08 schreef Solstice1 het volgende:

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Verwacht je dat echt?

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Op donderdag 14 mei 2015 13:11 schreef reza1 het volgende:

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Ach dat maakt allemaal niet uit zolang het maar anti-Russisch is.

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Op donderdag 14 mei 2015 14:23 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
US Secretary of State John Kerry urged Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to think twice before acting on a vow to retake Donetsk Airport from DPR forces, the American stated during a joint press briefing with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Sochi on Tuesday.

Russia: Poroshenko should "think twice" before attacking Donetsk Airport - Kerry

Lijkt me het eerste teken dat Washington en Moskou de situatie willen de-escaleren.

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Op donderdag 14 mei 2015 14:23 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
US Secretary of State John Kerry urged Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to think twice before acting on a vow to retake Donetsk Airport from DPR forces, the American stated during a joint press briefing with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in Sochi on Tuesday.

Russia: Poroshenko should "think twice" before attacking Donetsk Airport - Kerry

Lijkt me het eerste teken dat Washington en Moskou de situatie willen de-escaleren.

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Op donderdag 14 mei 2015 13:18 schreef Straatcommando. het volgende:

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Andersom is het zolang het maar anti-westen/nato/vs/kiev/soepkip is. Daarom is dit topic al best lang een kansloze bende vol desinformatie en mensen die dat blind volgen. Dat is trouwens vrijwel overal zo, op liveleak op youtube op nieuwssites.. het is lachwekkend en zorgwekkend tegelijkertijd.

Als ik van die vage anti nato of vage anti rusland propaganda zie kan ik niets anders dan denken dat er een common enemy gekweekt wordt.

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Baltics to ask NATO for thousands of troops

Vilnius (AFP) - The Baltic states will formally ask NATO to deploy several thousand troops as a deterrent to Russia, Lithuania said Thursday, but the alliance gave no assurance that the request would be accepted.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said at meeting of the alliance's foreign ministers in the Turkish city of Antalya that he was aware such a request was being made but emphasised it was too early to assess the demand.

"We are seeking a brigade-size unit so that every Baltic nation would have a battalion," military spokesman Lithuanian Captain Mindaugas Neimontas told AFP.

He said Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian generals would soon send a joint request to US General Philip Breedlove, NATO's top commander.

Neimontas said the Baltic states were to seek "permanent rotational NATO forces" as a "deterrence measure given the security situation in the region".

He refused to elaborate on specific numbers but a standard brigade could have around 3,000 troops.

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Op donderdag 14 mei 2015 13:02 schreef waht het volgende:

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Lekker propaganda geloven.

Ik verwacht meer van je Smack10.

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Op donderdag 14 mei 2015 14:34 schreef Straatcommando. het volgende:

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Zou ook hoog tijd worden. Er is alleen maar escalerend opgetreden en gereageerd sinds ik me kan heugen.

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Georgia’s fugitive ex-president Mikhail Saakashvili and hawkish US Senator John McCain have been approved as members of the newly-formed International Advisory Group that will help Ukraine’s president in “conducting reforms.”

Saakashvili has been appointed as head of the new advisory group, says the statement on Ukraine’s presidential website.

The list of members included in the advisory group mostly includes current and former European politicians. Among them are the German member of the European Parliament and the current Chairman of the European Parliament Committee on Foreign Affairs Elmar Brok, Sweden's former Prime and Foreign Minister Carl Bildt, former Prime Minister of Slovakia Mikulas Dzurinda, and Lithuania’s former Prime Minister Andrius Kubilius.

Back in February Saakashvili was appointed as a non-staff adviser to Poroshenko. The ex-Georgian president, who was in power from 2004 to 2013, faces numerous charges at home, including embezzlement of over $5 million, corruption and brutality against protesters during demonstrations in 2007. Georgia’s Chief Prosecutor’s Office launched proceedings to indict Saakashvili and place him on the international most wanted list, but Kiev refused to hand over the fugitive president, despite an existing extradition agreement between Ukraine and Georgia.

Saakashvili is known for his strong anti-Russian stance, which garnered heavy US support. In August 2008 during his term in office Georgia launched an offensive against South Ossetia, killing dozens of civilians and Russian peacekeepers stationed in the republic. Georgia’s shelling of Tskhinval prompted Russia to conduct a military operation to fend off the offensive. Despite Saakashvili’s claims that the conflict was “Russian aggression,” the 2010 EU Independent Fact Finding Mission Report ruled that Tbilisi was responsible for the attack.

Meanwhile Senator John McCain, for years spearheading the anti-Russian and particularly anti-Putin crusade, said that while he “would love to do anything” to help Ukraine, he has not yet cleared his new appointment under the US Senate rules.

“I was asked to do it both by Ukraine and Saakashvili and I said I would be inclined to do it but I said I needed to look at all the nuances of it, whether it’s legal under our ethics and all that kind of stuff,” McCain told BuzzFeed.

At the onset of the Ukraine's Maidan protests against former president Viktor Yanukovich, McCain appeared in Kiev to support the uprising that months later culminated in a coup.

“We ... want to make it clear to Russia and Vladimir Putin that interference in the affairs of Ukraine is not acceptable to the United States,” the US Senator told a crowd of some 200,000 anti-government protesters in the central square of Ukraine’s capital.

Following the new Kiev authorities’ attempt to suppress dissent in the east of the country and Crimea’s ascension into the Russian Federation, McCain became the main engine of lobbying for lethal arms supplies to Ukrainian forces to “defend themselves” and Europe from “Russian aggression.”

“The Ukrainian people don’t want US or Western troops to fight for them; they are simply asking for the right tools to defend themselves and their country,” he said late last month at a hearing on US security policy in Europe. “Russia’s invasion and dismemberment of Ukraine should remind everyone of the true nature of Putin’s ambitions and the fragility of peace in Europe.”

McCain’s statements following the Minsk II ceasefire agreement make it clear that peace in Ukraine is not something the hawkish politician supports. Despite the general agreement that Minsk Accords is the only way forward for a political resolution to the crisis, McCain rejected the agreement as “solidifying the gains of Russian aggression.”

In addition, the Senator is a strong supporter of the NATO buildup on Russian borders. McCain insisted recently that the Baltic allies should help secure eastern borders of the alliance as they cannot “continue with business as usual” claiming that Russia poses a “geopolitical challenge... to our entire vision of Europe.”

McCain has also been hinting at starting a new nuclear arms race with Russia. “Negotiating further strategic nuclear reductions with Russia would be a dangerously naive non-starter with the US Senate. It simply defies common sense to negotiate nuclear reductions with Vladimir Putin,” he said last month following US administration's call for further strategic nuclear reductions.

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Op vrijdag 15 mei 2015 01:14 schreef Infection het volgende:
NAVO zoekt evenwicht in relatie met Rusland

NATO foreign ministers sing 'We Are The World' at dinner

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Op vrijdag 15 mei 2015 01:14 schreef Infection het volgende:
NAVO zoekt evenwicht in relatie met Rusland

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Op vrijdag 15 mei 2015 02:45 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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Eerst het evenwicht verstoren en nu weer proberen vriendjes te worden met Rusland?
Wat een schaamteloze vertoning....

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olliecarroll twitterde op vrijdag 15-05-2015 om 11:27:47 Zakharchenko: we aren't going back down the path we've chosen. We've shown we can fight, defend ourselves http://t.co/1DQ6WLg1yq reageer retweet

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olliecarroll twitterde op vrijdag 15-05-2015 om 11:39:45 Zakharchenko: we consider rest of region to be illegally occupied and we well liberate it. Can't say how... reageer retweet

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olliecarroll twitterde op vrijdag 15-05-2015 om 11:45:37 Zakharchenko: Kiev government illegitimate, ours legitimate reageer retweet

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olliecarroll twitterde op vrijdag 15-05-2015 om 12:53:05 Zakharchenko repeats promise to "liberate" rest of Donetsk, Lugansk regions. "And we will cleanse them of Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, turchinov" reageer retweet

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You really couldn’t make it up, could you? Serial warmonger and unsuccessful US Presidential candidate Senator John McCain has been offered a post as an advisor to Ukraine’s ‘Chocolate King’ President Petro Poroshenko.

He was supposed to join other neocon rejects such as Georgia’s fugitive ex-President (and famous tie-eater) Mikhail Saakashvili and the ex-Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt.

McCain has declined the offer, having tweeted quite positively about it earlier, but the very fact that the offer was made in the first place puts into question just how committed Kiev is to the Minsk II peace process.

Putting it mildly, John McCain is not the sort of person you call if you want to sort differences out with your opponents peacefully. Even by the hawkish standards of Capitol Hill, the right-wing Republican's record of supporting - and trying to escalate - military conflicts is quite extraordinary.

In 1999, he not only supported the illegal NATO ‘humanitarian’ bombardment of Yugoslavia - but also wanted boots on the ground. He was up - big time- for the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 and for the Iraq war two years later. He joked about bombing Iran - putting the words “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran” to the Beach Boys hit ‘Barbara Ann’, but the joke wasn’t particularly funny as he made it clear that he thought “military action” against the Islamic Republic should remain an option.

In 2006, casting himself as a humanitarian, he called for NATO to impose a no-fly zone over Darfur. The same year he supported Israel’s bombardment of Lebanon. In 2011 he was a bellicose supporter of the war against Libya. In April 2011 he visited the country and said of the anti-government rebels “they are my heroes”. (Funnily enough, he’s been less vocal on Libya since the country has become a failed state - and his ‘heroes’ of 2011 have been killing each other.)

After Libya, the next country on his ‘To Do’ list was Syria. In May 2012, he became the first Senator to call for the bombing of “Assad’s forces”.

In May 2013, he did his usual routine and visited ‘rebels’ fighting the secular government. At a time when people of good will were trying to bring the conflict to an end, McCain not only called on the US to arm the “brave fighters” who he was photographed with, but for cruise missiles to be used against Syrian government forces.

This January it was reported that McCain was one of several senior US and French officials who were accused of entering Syria illegally.

It’s hard to disentangle McCain’s obsession with toppling Assad from his Zionism. McCain has described himself as “proudly pro-Israel”- and said, when he was standing for President, that if elected he would “work to further isolate the enemies of Israel such as Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah”. He wasn’t elected, but didn’t let his rejection by the American people hinder his warmongering efforts.

In the summer of 2013 McCain criticized Obama’s planned air-strikes against Syria - on the grounds that they didn’t go far enough. McCain didn’t just want to ‘degrade’ the Syrian government’s military capabilities; he wanted a much larger-scale operation to remove President Assad from power.

For once though, McCain and the other hawks didn’t get their way. Shrewd Russian diplomacy and unexpected opposition from the British Parliament, put air strikes off the agenda. Assad survived. McCain had been angry with Russia in 2008, when Moscow had the temerity to respond to Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili’s aggression against the civilian population of South Ossetia, but now he - and his fellow warmongers - were even angrier.

Time to get back at Putin and support ‘regime change’ in Ukraine! Off to the Maidan to hand out the cookies to the ‘pro-democracy’ protestors! “We are here to support your just cause, the sovereign right of Ukraine to determine its own destiny freely and independently,” the old ham McCain declared. In his enthusiasm for ‘regime change’ in Kiev it didn’t seem to matter at all to the man who was ‘proudly pro-Israel’, that he was sharing a platform with Oleg Tyahnybok - a far-right ultra-nationalist who had written in the past of Ukraine being run by a “Muscovite-Jewish” mafia and who had written open letters, less than ten years earlier, calling for more to be done to halt the “criminal activities” of “organized Jewry”.

Imagine if a left-wing anti-war figure had shared a platform with someone who had publicly expressed views such as these. But McCain did - and his fellow neocons were strangely silent.

Most people mellow in old age, but McCain seems to get even more aggressive with each year that passes. In 2013, the Mother Jones website put at 13 the number of countries that McCain had wanted the US to attack.

Last summer as Israeli forces pounded Gaza, McCain praised the Israeli government’s “admirable” sense of “restraint” Over 2,000 Palestinians - many of them women and children - were killed.

In October, writing in Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal, McCain was once again calling for military action against Assad.

He’s predictably attacked the US’s recent rapprochement with Iran- calling Secretary of State John Kerry “delusional”.

He’s also been smearing those who don’t want to join in a new Cold War with Russia over Ukraine. In December, he ludicrously claimed that Hungary, a multi-party democracy, was “on the verge of ceding its sovereignty to a neo-fascist dictator getting in bed with Vladimir Putin.”

Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban responded angrily, by saying that his country’s “national independence” was at stake - and he was right. But at least the bombs haven’t yet dropped on Budapest - and the country hasn’t been ripped apart by ‘rebels’fighting the government, which usually happens in independently-minded countries John McCain and his fellow hawks don’t like.

This week’s visit to Sochi by John Kerry to meet Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, was interpreted, by my RT OpEdge colleague Bryan Macdonald, as a sign that US policy in relation to Ukraine was beginning to change in a positive direction.

Bryan says Ukraine has had its 15 minutes of fame and I hope he’s right. After months of bloody conflict in which thousands of people have been killed-and more than 2 million displaced, there is a peace - of sorts - in the country today. Minsk II is holding. There are definitely reasons to hope that the worst is over. However, there are worrying signs too. The Russophobic neocon faction in Washington and London don’t want the conflict in Ukraine to be resolved and for things to get back to normal, as they want sanctions on Russia to be extended, not lifted.

McCain himself has strongly criticized Minsk II. Usually so keen to support ‘rebels’ he has repeatedly called for the US to give the Ukrainian government the weapons they need to militarily defeat the rebels in the east.

“In almost every debate in the Senate and public TV he always makes the choice of the most violent response to any challenge facing our country. He wants to go to war in this country and that country,” was the damning verdict on McCain by the former US President Jimmy Carter.

If you genuinely wanted peace in Ukraine, then literally the last person in the world you would offer an advisory position to would be the senior Senator for Arizona. Get Carter perhaps, but McCain in Ukraine? Unless you really wanted war, the idea is totally insane.

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Op vrijdag 15 mei 2015 11:52 schreef Infection het volgende:

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Beschamende video inderdaad.

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Op vrijdag 15 mei 2015 12:09 schreef Cherna het volgende:

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Geen vriendjes. Gewoon zaken doen met Rusland(stoppen met die sancties). Voor de rest een muur om die zooi heen als het aan mij zou liggen.
Het is natuurlijk zaak om Rusland niet teveel met China te laten samenspannen. De Stille Zuidzee is natuurlijk in het belang van China. Met Russische steun word dat natuurlijk iets gemakkelijker voor China. Dat moet je zien te voorkomen.

maw je kunt Rusland beter als neutrale partner hebben voor je economische handel dan als vijand. Het westen heeft al genoeg vijanden waar we onze handen vol aan hebben.

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Op vrijdag 15 mei 2015 13:19 schreef BEFEM het volgende:
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/05/14/7067904/

Voor DUTCHKO die altijd zit te janken dat het Westen in Oekraine zit omdat ze gas willen jatten.

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Op vrijdag 15 mei 2015 15:46 schreef DUTCHKO het volgende:

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http://www.pecob.eu/shale-gas-pl-ua
One of the reasons why Russia’s western neighbors keenly embraced shale gas production is that Russia has on various occasions used Gazprom as a foreign policy instrument. It comes as no surprise, then, that Poland and Ukraine — who own respectively the first and the third largest shale gas deposits in Europe — has responded with optimism to the prospects of shale gas extraction that could radically change their balance of energy dependence on Russia.

In this context, shale gas seems to be both an opportunity to diversify energy supplies to Ukraine, and to avoid political pressures from the North-East neighbor.
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Je moet wel een enorme sufferd zijn als je deze punten wegwuifd.
Waarom denk je dan dat de USA zo begerig naar de Oekraine lonkt? Om hun eerlijke karakter en betrouwbaarheid?

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Op vrijdag 15 mei 2015 15:51 schreef TweeGrolsch het volgende:

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Inderdaad heel logisch dat Rusland daarom Oekraïne is binnengevallen. Zo kunnen ze Europa afhankelijk houden van hun gas. Als oekraine zou kiezen hun eigen grondstoffen te exploiteren zou dat Rusland niet goed uitkomen.
Goed werk