Crisis Oekraïne - Rusland #188 Cameron stuurt troepen

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 22:47 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Wapens via de arabieren, trainingen via de Engelsen. Zo omzeilen de Oekrainers de Amerikanen, Duitsland en Fransen, slim.

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 22:49 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:

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"Wapens via de Arabieren"? Heb ik iets gemist?

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 22:50 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Poroshenko ging ergens in de zandbak naar zo'n wapen-expo, las ik ergens toch?

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 22:52 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:

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Ah zo, dat heb ik dan inderdaad gemist

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 22:54 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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http://www.kyivpost.com/c(...)purchase-381742.html

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 22:57 schreef Romanus het volgende:
Ach, het belangrijkste wat veel Oekraïnse militairen missen is een hoog moraal. Weet niet of meer wapens daar nou zoveel in gaan veranderen

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Undoubtedly, this will have an effect on macro-economic stability and prospects for the growth of its economy. However, from the geopolitical perspective, the win will be priceless: our country will gain access to new demographic resources, highly-qualified cadres of industry and transportation will be in its possession. Moreover, it can count on the appearance of a new Slavic migration stream headed from the west to the east — in counterweight to the Central Asian migration trend. The industrial potential of Eastern Ukraine, including the military-industrial sector included in Russia’s military-industrial complex, will enable a more successful and rapid implementation of the program of re-armament of the Russian Federation Armed Forces.

What is no less important, the constructive, “smoothing” participation of Russia in the process of the highly-likely disintegration of the Ukrainian state will not only lend a new impulse to the integrationist projects of the Kremlin but also enable our country to preserve, as has already been said above, control over the gas-transport system of Ukraine. And along with this to substantially change the geopolitical set-up in Central and Eastern Europe, returning Russia here to one of its chief roles.

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It would be expeditious to have a consistent advancement of three slogans, as events develop, one flowing from the other:

- Demand for “federalization” (or even confederalization) as a guarantee of these regions from interference by pro-Western and nationalist forces in their internal affairs;

- The entry of the eastern and southeastern regions on a regional level independent from Kiev into the Customs Union, which will enable the necessary conditions for normal work and development of industry;

- Direct sovereignization with the ensuing annexation to Russia as the only guarantee for stable economic development and social stability.

The political movement for the pro-Russian choice and the associative relations of the eastern and southern Ukrainian territories with the Russian Federation, as it seems to us, are also necessary to constitute organizational, registering by law. For this *it is necessary to prepare the conditions for conducting in the Crimea and Kharkiv Region (and later in other regions) referendums raising the question of self-determination and further possibilities of annexation to the Russian Federation.*

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 23:02 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Het document wat Muratov in bezit heeft en Novaya gazeta geplaatst heeft is vertaald naar het Engels. Het is een stappenplan voor de annexatie van de oostelijke provincies van Oekraine. Ook wordt er al bepaald wat de toon moet zijn van de PR campagne en demonstraties.
http://www.interpretermag.com/it-is-seen-as-correct-to-initiate-the-annexation-of-the-eastern-regions-of-ukraine-to-russia/

o.a.

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En ook de referendums waren allemaal al bekokstooft in het Kremlin:

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Met andere woorden, dit is de smoking gun.

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 23:02 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Het document wat Muratov in bezit heeft en Novaya gazeta geplaatst heeft is vertaald naar het Engels. Het is een stappenplan voor de annexatie van de oostelijke provincies van Oekraine. Ook wordt er al bepaald wat de toon moet zijn van de PR campagne en demonstraties.
http://www.interpretermag.com/it-is-seen-as-correct-to-initiate-the-annexation-of-the-eastern-regions-of-ukraine-to-russia/

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En ook de referendums waren allemaal al bekokstooft in het Kremlin:

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Met andere woorden, dit is de smoking gun.

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 23:10 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Gaat Poetin dus vooral ook om het industriële potentieel van de Donbass-regio...daar zaten van oudsher al de 'wapensmeden' van de USSR...

Is pure geo-machts-politiek. Dat die mensen daar onafhankelijk willen worden interesseert hem verder bar weinig...

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 23:12 schreef Nintex het volgende:

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Een van de pluspunten die ze noemen is het uiteenvallen van de rest van Oekraine, waardoor er een immigratiestroom op gang komt van west naar oost. Kortom, ze zijn maar wat blij met die honderd duizenden vluchtelingen die de vastgelopen Russische economie komen aanjagen.

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 23:24 schreef JCats het volgende:
Met de coup in Kiev een jaar geleden hebben de US wat ze eerder in Afghanistan, Irak, Libië en Syrië bereikten.

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The non-system opposition on the other hand (the so-called Maidan) is not under control by the leaders of the system opposition, here the tone is set by the “field commanders” (in large part soccer fans and representatives of the criminal underworld), who do not enjoy electoral influence and from all appearances are controlled not so much by the oligarchic groups but to a significant extent by Polish and British intelligence services. Even so, many oligarchic groups finance Maidan, so as “not to put all their eggs in one basket.”

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500 Lithuanian fascists march near WWII-era execution site of 10,000 Jews

About 500 Lithuanians, some sporting Nazi swastikas, attended a far right march in the country’s second city of Kaunas. The city was the scene of the Baltics worst World War II-era Jewish pogroms, where nearly 10,000 people were killed in one day.

Monday’s march was the eighth such event organized by the Lithuanian Nationalist Youth Union to coincide with one of Lithuania’s two independence days on February 16.

According to the Jerusalem Times, the marchers met up in a local park, where around 20 counter protesters from the local Jewish community and anti-fascist groups also turned up to follow them in a silent counter-demonstration.

Although overt Nazi-iconography was only used by a select few, other symbols, including the Columns of Gediminas, which leftists charge have become a symbol of the country’s neo-Nazis, were readily on display.

Many also carried flags depicting a variation of a triskeilon or triskele, a pagan symbol consisting of three interlocked spirals which has recently been appropriated by neo-Nazis, especially in Germany.

The marchers, some of them dressed up in variations of medieval garb, banged drums along the route while others let off green smoke flares.

“This march is particularly offensive because it is taking place where locals and Nazis murdered more than 10,000 Jews in one day,” Dovid Katz, a US-born Jewish scholar who moved to the capital Vilnius 16 years ago told the daily.

Katz, who edits a website called DefendingHistory.com, was referring to Kaunas massacre of October 29, 1941, where Nazi death squads, collaborating with Lithuanian partisans, killed 2,007 Jewish men, 2,920 women, and 4,273 children in a single day. It was the single worst massacre of Jews in the Baltics during the war.

A letter from the Kaunas Mayor’s Office to Katz, which gave the group a license for the event, says overt displays of Nazi symbols, leaders, or uniforms is illegal under Lithuania’s Law on Meetings. The office said that march organizers would face the appropriate criminal or administrative punishments if these or any other laws had been violated during the march.

February 16 is the anniversary of the declaration of Lithuanian independence in 1918, when the republic was first created after the First World War.

According to Katz, many in Lithuania and other Baltic states consider Hitler’s local collaborators “to be heroes” for resisting the Soviet occupation. This has led to a climate where he says “the state allows neo-Nazis to dominate both independence days.”

“This comparison [between the Nazi and Communist occupations] is not only false, it also serves to whitewash the stain in these countries’ histories instead of confronting it, as other European nations have done,” Efraim Zuroff, the Israel director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, told the Jerusalem Times.

Approximately 220,000 Jews were living in Lithuania prior to the German invasion in June 1941. It is believed that 206,800 Jews were murdered by the Nazis and Lithuanian collaborators during the occupation.

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 23:33 schreef Fossieltje het volgende:
Als Rusland met hun anti-Nazi-propaganda beginnen, moet een land oppassen.

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http://rt.com/news/233119-neo-nazis-march-lithuania/

De Litouwse reacties onder het artikel spreken boekdelen.

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 23:36 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
eerlijk gezegd lijkt het me weinig waarschijnlijk dat de Britse geheime dienst erg betrokken was bij de organisatie van Maidan. Wat twijfels oproept betreffende de authenticiteit van het document. Best mogelijk dat Novaya Gazeta zich in de luren laat leggen door een document dat de Britse geheime dienst geschreven heeft. Of bepaalde oppositiegroepen in Rusland. We hebben het eerder gezien met Litvinenko die een hoop verzinsels voor Boris Berezovsky verspreidde en die ook voor de Britten werkte.

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 23:47 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Givi, commandant van Somali batallion:

[eng subs] Givi on the Defender of the Fatherland rally in Donetsk

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Op woensdag 25 februari 2015 00:07 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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tja, als het document klopt dan was Maidan dus een organisatie geleid door criminelen en voetbalhooligans, die voor de Britse en Poolse geheime diensten werkten, met financiële steun van Oekrainse oligarchen, en die tot doel had een pro-Westers bewind aan de macht te helpen...

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Op woensdag 25 februari 2015 00:12 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Гиви draagt tegenwoordig de Russische vlag gewoon op zijn jas?

Novorossiya News #12 - A Day With Givi (Full English subs)

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Op woensdag 25 februari 2015 00:07 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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tja, als het document klopt dan was Maidan dus een organisatie geleid door criminelen en voetbalhooligans, die voor de Britse en Poolse geheime diensten werkten, met financiële steun van Oekrainse oligarchen, en die tot doel had een pro-Westers bewind aan de macht te helpen...

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Op woensdag 25 februari 2015 08:14 schreef reza1 het volgende:
'True story!' MSM spins theory that Putin hijacked MH370 and landed it in Kazakhstan

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Op woensdag 25 februari 2015 08:46 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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A day after Ukraine announced it is joining the information war by creating an 'online army,' the Information Policy Ministry entered into its first controversy. It has reportedly called on bloggers to create accounts to spread information useful to Kiev.

The ministry has begun accepting applications from people wanting to join the online army. Once users are registered, they reportedly receive instructions on how to proceed.

One of the users published the first set of instructions he allegedly received from the “internet army headquarters.”

The task outline is to create as many fake accounts on social media as possible without raising suspicion. The instructions explain that it is preferable to set up a new email account that uses a Western server. It also advises to set up new Twitter, Facebook, and VKontakte accounts (the Russian equivalent of Facebook).

The instructions also detail that users must use real names, be careful not to add too many friends (in order to seem legitimate), and select their geographic location to be in eastern Ukraine or Crimea.

In order for the account to seem more authentic, users are encouraged to write a few personal posts and comment on non-political issues.

However, another instruction was distributed to bloggers on the same day. It gave the same blueprint for creating a fake account in Crimea or Donbass, but claimed that is the way “information agents of Kremlin work.”

The fact that two versions of the text were being passed around received some negative comments on the Facebook page where in the information was published.

Vesti, a Ukrainian media source, reported that blogger Aleksander Baraboshko – who is an aide to Ukrainian Information Policy Minister Yury Stets – said the version regarding “information agents of the Kremlin” is the correct one, while the other version may have been sent out to some users due to a computer glitch.

Ukraine’s Information Policy Ministry was created in late 2014 to pursue information security in the country. Journalists dubbed the new institution the ‘Ministry of Truth’ after the propaganda ministry in George Orwell's novel '1984.'

In early December, the ministry announced the creation of an information warfare department.

“You don’t need trolls and bots to deliver truthful information to those communicating on the internet. It is obvious for social network veterans,” Tass news agency quoted Ukraine’s information policy minister, Yury Stets, as saying back in January. “To do so we need to unite people influential in social media and they will tell the truth to everyone who reads them.”

These tactics follow Stets’ official announcement on Sunday, which revealed plans to create a national TV channel called ‘Ukrainian Tomorrow,’ which would broadcast to an international audience.

Ukraine is taking the information war very seriously. On Saturday, Kiev said it is stripping more than 100 Russian media outlets of their accreditation. The list includes TASS, Rossiya Segodnya, and all Russian TV channels except Dozhd, according to government spokesperson Yelena Gitlyanskaya. The outlets will reportedly be without accreditation until the end of the Ukraine conflict.

Russia has criticized Kiev’s decision. “The openly discriminatory decision by Ukraine's parliament to strip Russian mass media of accreditation at the bodies of state power is an extension of the policy to clear the country's media space of alternative points of view,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in a statement on Saturday.

The decision comes as a “backdrop to the latest resolutions (the Minsk peace agreement) by the Normandy Quartet's leaders” and “calls into question Kiev's interest in a peace settlement,” Lavrov added.

Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov told TASS on Saturday that Moscow will not respond to Kiev’s actions by limiting the work of Ukrainian media. “Russia is a country where media activity is regulated by law, and where Russian and foreign journalists have equal rights to obtain information,” he said.

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Op woensdag 25 februari 2015 09:21 schreef reza1 het volgende:
Ok.

Facebook frontline: Kiev calls up 'online army' amid information war

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Op woensdag 25 februari 2015 10:15 schreef J.B. het volgende:
Wat een bagger produceert dat RT toch, jeeminee

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Op dinsdag 24 februari 2015 23:36 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
eerlijk gezegd lijkt het me weinig waarschijnlijk dat de Britse geheime dienst erg betrokken was bij de organisatie van Maidan. Wat twijfels oproept betreffende de authenticiteit van het document. Best mogelijk dat Novaya Gazeta zich in de luren laat leggen door een document dat de Britse geheime dienst geschreven heeft. Of bepaalde oppositiegroepen in Rusland. We hebben het eerder gezien met Litvinenko die een hoop verzinsels voor Boris Berezovsky verspreidde en die ook voor de Britten werkte.