Crisis Oekraïne - Rusland #185 De rebellen vechten door.

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 13:10 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 13:10 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 13:19 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Hebben journalisten of de OSCE die claims bevestigd?

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 13:17 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Novoazovsk is inderdaad de laatste halte voor Marioepol...niet te geloven! De arrogantie ook gewoon...

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 13:19 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Hebben journalisten of de OSCE die claims bevestigd?

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NSDC_ua twitterde op vrijdag 20-02-2015 om 11:52:32 20 RU tanks, 10 self-propelled guns and 15 trucks crossed the UA-RU border. RU Soldiers go through #Izvaryne checkpoint reageer retweet

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 13:20 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Nee, Shyrokyne is dat. Daar ligt het front momenteel en wordt met tussenpozen gevochten.

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 13:22 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Ik zie het, thanks!

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 12:50 schreef waht het volgende:

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Klopt, we moeten Russen begrijpen. De normale Rus, maar vooral de Russische politici, de FSB'ers en zulks.

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 13:26 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Door zo hard mogelijk te slaan.

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 13:25 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:

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Novoazovsk lijkt het 'staging area' te zijn voor de Russische troepen. Daar zijn gisteren ook al verschillende troepenbewegingen waargenomen.

De vraag is natuurlijk hoe veel ze gaan opbouwen alvorens ze de push gaan maken.

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Georgia Condemns Deal Between Russia, South Ossetia as Step Toward Annexation
TBILISI — Georgia has condemned the signing of a border agreement between its breakaway region of South Ossetia and Russia, accusing Moscow of moving closer to annexing a territory it supported in a five-day conflict in 2008.

Georgia, which has ambitions to join NATO, and Russia fought that war over South Ossetia and another separatist region, Abkhazia. After it ended, Moscow recognized both regions as independent countries.

Moscow went further by signing a "strategic partnership" agreement with Abkhazia last November, seven months after annexing Ukraine's Crimea peninsula and throwing its weight behind separatists battling in eastern Ukraine.

Russia says it wants to sign a similar document to integrate its security forces and military with South Ossetia's, and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov signed a preliminary agreement with his counterpart in the separatist region on Wednesday.

"It's yet another action directed against the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia and an attempt to artificially redraw internationally recognized borders," the Georgian foreign ministry said Thursday.

The Russian Foreign Ministry had no immediate comment on the remarks.

Abkhazia and South Ossetia survive on financial support from Russia, and Moscow has promised not to cut aid for Abkhazia this year.

Lavrov also said Wednesday that Russia would "take measures to prevent the negative effect of attempts to drag Tbilisi into NATO."

Georgia, a South Caucasus country crossed by pipelines that carry Caspian oil and gas from Azerbaijan to Europe, said on Thursday that Russia was a threat to stability in the region and had no influence on the process of Georgia's integration into NATO.

Tbilisi's government has long hoped to join the military alliance, and NATO has agreed in principle that it should one day become a member and plans to open a training center in Georgia by the end of the year.

Analysts say the integration process has been delayed by member countries' reluctance to further provoke Russia.

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 12:17 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Klopt denk ik wel ergens. Nauwelijks verhulde referentie naar het gevierde boek van Christopher Clark, Sleepwalkers, how Europe went to war in 1914. Clark werpt de hypothese op dat je een Wereldoorlog in kan sukkelen, met name door te denken, ach zo'n vaart zal het niet lopen, dat doen/durven ze toch niet.

Parallellen te over momenteel van die gedachtengang: Oekraïne, maar ook Griekenland bijvoorbeeld.

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 13:25 schreef ZOA het volgende:

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Nee hoor, dat hoeft helemaal niet...Rusland zorgt er zelf wel voor dat ze begrepen worden

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 13:30 schreef DeJori het volgende:
Oekraïne weigert ondertussen volgens mij de gasrekening te betalen voor de gebieden waar gevochten wordt:
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2015/02/20/7059242/

Maar google translate faalt lichtelijk. Iemand anders die er wijs uit wordt?

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"Gazprom" gas supplies on Friday as the former collection points, putting gas and new - on the border Lugansk and Donetsk regions.

This was stated by the chairman of the Board of OJSC "Gazprom" Alexei Miller, "Interfax-Ukraine".

"According to the application" Naftogaz of Ukraine "(on import to Ukraine)," Gazprom "has now increased gas supplies to Ukraine, including through measuring stations" Prokhorovka "and" Platovo "- said Miller.

However, as reported ZN.UA the press service of "Naftogaz Ukraine", the state holding really increased the application for daily volumes of gas from "Gazprom", but only the four measuring stations, which are located on the territory controlled by Ukraine.

"Through these two GIS, standing in the ATO (GIS Platovo and Prokhorovka) we did not order" - said in comments to the head of the press service of Naftogaz Elena Osmolovsky.

In this regard, she said, "Naftogaz" will not be considered and documented to pay the amount of gas, "which, according to" Gazprom ", they supply through the station, where there is our staff."

On the eve of "Naftogaz" officially announced that "standard procedure on February 19 NAC ordered for the needs of Ukrainian consumers deliveries of Russian gas to 30 million cubic meters through GIS Sudzha, Valuyki Sokhranovka and Pysarivka.

Given the projected needs of Ukrainian consumers, February 20, filed an application at the rate of 42 million cubic meters through the same measuring stations. "

In turn, "Ukrtransgaz" reported that Ukraine from Russia on Thursday, February 19, received 29.5 million cubic meters, as was stated in the application NAC.

It was reported that on Thursday the chairman "Naftogaz Ukraine" Andrew Kobolyev said that Ukraine will not pay bills "Gazprom" on gas supply to the area of ​​counter-terrorism operations.

As you know, on Thursday separatists reported that Ukraine on Wednesday afternoon blocked the main gas pipeline without the possibility of recovery of physical deliveries and left "DNR" and "FSC" without gas. According to them, the final fuel runs out on Thursday after 15:00.

They also reported that they are in talks with Russia on gas supplies.

In "Ukrtransgaz" explained that gas supplies in the area ATO stopped because of damage to critical gas transportation infrastructure in the fighting.

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Ukraine: UK and EU 'badly misread' Russia
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Committee chairman Lord Tugendhat said: "The lack of robust analytical capacity, in both the UK and the EU, effectively led to a catastrophic misreading of the mood in the run-up to the crisis."

The UK had a particular responsibility to Ukraine because it was one of four signatories to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum which pledged to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity, the committee said.

Neither Britain nor the EU had a strategic response on how to handle Russia for the long term, it added.

A Foreign Office spokeswoman said no-one could have predicted the scale of the "unjustifiable and illegal" Russian intervention and it was for the people of Ukraine to decide on its relationship with the EU.

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Ukraine Reports Attacks, Fresh Russian Convoys And Reconnaissance Flights Near Mariupol
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Mariupol news site 0629.com.ua reports that Dmitry Chaly, spokesman for the Ukrainian military headquarters in Mariupol, has announced numerous attacks on Ukrainian positions in Shirokino and Berdyanskoye over the last 24 hours.

Ukrainian positions in Shirokino came under attack by infantry with small arms between 5:45 (3:45 GMT) and 7:15 (5:45 GMT) this morning

Yesterday, then military spokesman said, there had been 10 attacks on Ukrainian positions.

The following are listed with their local time (GMT+2):

09:20 - Shirokino, mortar fire

10:00 - Shirokino, mortar fire

13:30 - Berdyanskoye, mortar fire

13:55 - Berdyanskoye, mortar fire

15:40 - Berdyanskoye - mortar fire

15:40 - Shirokino - direct armed confrontation with small arms used

18:55 - Shirokino, small arms fire

21:10 - Bedyanskoye, mortar fire

22:05 - Shirokino, small arms fire

Chaly also said that four Russian air force reconnaissance flights had been detected, flying over Shirokino, Sakhanka, Zaichenko and Novoazovsk.

Meanwhile, as Reuters reports, Andriy Lysenko, the spokesman for the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council (NSDC), claimed today that Russian tanks, artillery and trucks had crossed the border near Novoazovsk.

"In recent days, despite the Minsk (ceasefire) agreement, military equipment and ammunition has been tracked crossing from Russia into Ukraine," military spokesman Andriy Lysenko said in a televised briefing.

"More than 20 (tanks, 10 self-propelled artillery systems and 15 trucks have entered in the direction of Novoazovsk," he said, adding that buses filled with fighters from Russia had also been spotted crossing the border in the area.

http://www.interpretermag(...)-near-mariupol/#6972

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 14:49 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/20-february-convoy-of-military-vehicles-near-border-of-ukraine?ll=49.64096;39.75266&zoom=8

WTF, die locatie?

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 14:49 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/20-february-convoy-of-military-vehicles-near-border-of-ukraine?ll=49.64096;39.75266&zoom=8

WTF, die locatie?

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 15:00 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Russen verplaatsen soms troepen, so what?

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 14:54 schreef Idisrom het volgende:
Deze kaart komt uit De Standaard
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Als je op deze kaart de linies ziet van 50 kilometer waarachter men zich moest terugtrekken, dan zie je ook gelijk het absurde en het onmogelijke van de Minsk-akkoorden.
Hoe kon je ooit van de rebellen verlangen, dat ze zich helemaal zouden terugtrekken uit de steden Donetsk en Loehansk, en zich praktisch zouden terugtrekken tot op de grens met Rusland.

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 14:49 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
http://liveuamap.com/en/2015/20-february-convoy-of-military-vehicles-near-border-of-ukraine?ll=49.64096;39.75266&zoom=8

WTF, die locatie?

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 15:01 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Meestal doen ze dat in grensgebied waar ze binnen gaan vallen

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 15:04 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Meestal? Zeg je nu dat ruim 50% van Russische troepenverplaatsingen in grensgebieden gerelateerd zijn aan invasies?

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Op vrijdag 20 februari 2015 15:07 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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Nee, maar wel als er troepen bewegen langs de Oekraïense grens tijdens dit conflict.

Ik weet eigenlijk niet eens waarom ik er weer in trap om op je te reageren