Erdogan: "Moslims ontdekten Amerika"

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Op zondag 16 november 2014 08:03 schreef Ser_Ciappelletto het volgende:
De Romeinen waren nog eerder. Oh, en daarvoor waren de Joden en de Chinezen gingen de Turken ook nog voor.

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Op zondag 16 november 2014 14:10 schreef waxxx het volgende:

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Lees het nog eens, in de tweede regel staat al iets.

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There is controversy regarding the conquest and subsequent conversion of Sindh. This is usually voiced in two antagonistic perspectives viewing Qasim's actions:[10]

His conquest, as described by Stanley Lane-Poole, in Medieval India (Published in 1970 by Haskell House Publishers Ltd), was "liberal". He imposed the customary poll tax, took hostages for good conduct and spared peoples' lives and lands. He even left their shrines undesecrated: 'The temples;, he proclaimed, 'shall be inviolate, like the churches of the Christians, the synagogues of the Jews and altars of the Magians'.[26] In the same text, however, it is mentioned that "Occasional desecration of Hindu fanes took place...but such demonstrations were probably rare sops to the official conscience..".

Coercive conversion has been attributed to early historians such as Elliot, Cousens, Majumdar and Vaidya.[10] They hold the view that the conversion of Sindh was necessitated. Qasim's numerical inferiority is said to explain any instances of apparent religious toleration, with the destruction of temples seen as a reflection of the more basic, religiously motivated intolerance.[10]
Voluntary conversion has been attributed to Thomas W. Arnold and modern Muslim historians such as Habib and Qureishi. They believe that the conquest was largely peaceful, and the conversion entirely so, and that the Arab forces enacted liberal, generous and tolerant policies.[10] These historians mention the "praiseworthy conduct of Arab Muslims" and attribute their actions to a "superior civilizational complex".[27]

Various polemical perceptions of Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism are also reflected in this debate.[27] Elliot perceived Islam as a religion of "terror, devastation, murder and rapine" where the conquering Arabs were characterized as "ruthless bigots" and "furious zealots" motivated by "plunder and proselytism".[10] The period of Qasim's rule has been called by U.T. Thakkur "the darkest period in Sind history", with the records speaking of massive forced conversions, temple destruction, slaughters and genocides; the people of Sindh, described as inherently pacifist due to their Hindu/Buddhist religious inclinations, had to adjust to the conditions of "barbarian inroad".[28] On one extreme, the Arab Muslims are seen as being compelled by religious stricture to conquer and forcibly convert Sindh, but on the other hand, they can be seen as being respectful and tolerant of non-Muslims as part of their religious duty, with conversion being facilitated by the vitality, equality and morals of the Islamic religion.[27] Citations of towns taken either violently or bloodlessly, reading back into Arab Sindh information belonging to a later date and dubious accounts such as those of the forcible circumcision of Brahmins at Deybul or Qasims consideration of Hindu sentiment in forbidding the slaughter of cows are used as examples for one particular view or the other.[27]

Some historians strike a middle ground, saying that Qasim was torn between the political expediency of making peace with the Hindus and Buddhists; having to call upon non-Muslims to serve under him as part of his mandate to administer newly conquered land; and orthodoxy by refraining from seeking the co-operation of "infidels". It is contended that Qasim may have struck a middle ground, conferring the status of Dhimmi upon the native Sindhis and permitting them to participate in his administration, but treating them as "noncitizens" (i.e. in the Khilafat, but not of it).[

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There are conflicting views regarding religious policy in his reign. According to some historians,no mass conversions were attempted and the destruction of temples such as the Sun Temple of Multan was forbidden.[19] Lane-Poole writes that, " as a rule Muslim government was at once tolerant and economic".[20] But other historians like Elliot, Cousens, Majumdar and Vaidya have held the view that there was coercive conversion during his reign and destruction of temples was a reflection of the more basic, religiously motivated intolerance.[10]

A small minority who converted to Islam were granted exemption from Jizya in lieu of paying the Muslim mandated Zakat.[13] Hindus and Buddhists were given the status of Dhimmi (protected people).[4]

An eccelastical office, "sadru-I-Islam al affal", was created to oversee the secular governors.[13] While some proslytization occurred, the social dynamics of Sindh were no different from other regions newly conquered by Muslim forces such as Egypt, where conversion to Islam was slow and took centuries.[13]

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Op zondag 16 november 2014 14:18 schreef Mutant01 het volgende:
Trigger. Don't feed the trolls.

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Op zondag 16 november 2014 14:18 schreef TitusPullo het volgende:

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Wat was het Oost-Romeinse Rijk dan? Katholiek?

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Op zondag 16 november 2014 14:20 schreef waxxx het volgende:

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Opnieuw heb je niet goed gelezen, ik zei tweede regel niet derde. En dit is de tweede regel:
Noted cases include the conversion of Samaritans to Islam at the hands of the rebel Ibn Firāsa

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Op zondag 16 november 2014 14:22 schreef mig72 het volgende:

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Waar komt dat vandaan volgens jou? Al die flinke discrimjnatie jegens niet moslims? Liefdadigheid en gedichten?

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Op zondag 16 november 2014 14:28 schreef mig72 het volgende:

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Hij zal het anvallen want dat is racisme en discriminaZi.

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Op zondag 16 november 2014 00:22 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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En tot zo ver het niveau over de Islam.

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Op zondag 16 november 2014 14:38 schreef waxxx het volgende:

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Lekker boeiend man, het ging over gedwongen bekeringen naar de islam die volgens Erdogan nooit hebben plaats gevonden. En bijvoorbeeld rebel Ibn Firāsa deed dat dus wel.