Betogingen Hong Kong lopen uit de hand

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Op donderdag 2 oktober 2014 12:02 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Maar dat zal vooral een kwestie zijn van economische regelgeving en van hoe verbreid het Engels is.

Op grond van wat ik in Japan heb gezien en wat Gimmick schrijft, denk ik niet dat Hong Kong cultureel gezien een middenpositie tussen oost en west inneemt. In tegendeel.

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Op donderdag 2 oktober 2014 12:11 schreef Igen het volgende:

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En hoe vaak en hoe lang ben je in China geweest, met alle respect?

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15MBcn_int twitterde op woensdag 01-10-2014 om 18:55:09 You can tweet directly to the crowds at the #OccupyCentral movement at http://occupier.hk/standbyyou/ #HongKong reageer retweet

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An editorial Wednesday in the People’s Daily newspaper called the demonstrations illegal and said ominously that if they continue, the “consequences will be unimaginable.”

The paper, considered the flagship mouthpiece for the ruling Communist Party, followed up with front-page editorial Thursday warning that continued protests would drive Hong Kong into “chaos.”

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AnonymousPress twitterde op donderdag 02-10-2014 om 19:22:56 RT @tlng13: all the best to the Anonymous!! #UmbrellaRevolution Operation Hong Kong http://t.co/ynkB5qTe3n reageer retweet

Anonymous Declares War Against Hong Kong Police

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Report: Hacker collective Anonymous joins Hong Kong’s Occupy Central

Reporting on the hacker collective Anonymous is always fraught. This loosely organized group has no clear leader and no clear agenda. The anarchic nature of its technological attacks make it difficult to establish a who-what-where-when-why. And, of course, hackers use nom de guerres. Heck: Even the Islamic State has a spokesman.

Yet, in attacks on Israel, Visa and, to a lesser extent, Ferguson, Mo., showed that Anonymous — whoever and whatever it is at any given time — can be effective. Unlike 4chan, which revels in naked celebrity pics, it seems to have a social conscience. And its propaganda — straight out of “V for Vendetta” — makes good copy.

“Members of Anonymous — the shadowy, snide international collective of hackers and online activists — have played a key role in the growing confrontation outside St. Louis over Mr. Brown’s death,” the New York Times wrote in August, “goading and threatening the authorities, and calling the effort Operation Ferguson.”

So here goes: Anonymous has code on the ground in Hong Kong, the South China Morning Post reports. The group announced it will wage cyberwar on the government in a video circulated through the Web site News2share.

“It has come to our attention that recent tactics used against peaceful protesters here in the United States have found their way to Hong Kong,” a mechanical-sounding voice in the video says. “To the protesters in Hong Kong, we have heard your plea for help. Take heart and take to your streets. You are not alone in this fight. Anonymous members all over the world stand with you, and will help in your fight for democracy.

The video goes on to threaten to “deface and take every Web-based asset of your government off line.”

The South China Morning Post posted images of some Web sites it said were affected (warning: link contains profanity), but did not identify them. “Despite these vehement threats, the hacks thus far appear to be not on government websites but rather small organisations – including an Autism Partnership site – registered with a .hk domain name,” the paper wrote.

A list of Hong Kong government agency Web sites appears here. Early Thursday morning, many seemed un-hacked. Then again, Anonymous said it was offering its “first and only warning,” so perhaps it hasn’t acted yet.

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Op donderdag 2 oktober 2014 11:10 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Op donderdag 2 oktober 2014 11:44 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Klopt, het vasteland is deels nog achtergebleven en onbeschaafd, en deels door de culturele revolutie redelijk westers en een stuk minder typisch Aziatisch dan Hong Kong en bijv. ook Japan.

Maar intussen is de houding op het vasteland volgens mij ook aardig dubbel geworden. Hong Kong is aantrekkelijk vanwege de lage btw, de rijkdom en de hoge kwaliteit van de spullen daar, maar in moreel opzicht wordt er vanuit het vasteland toch wel behoorlijk op neergekeken hoor.

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Violent clashes break out in Hong Kong after counter-protesters storm sit-in

About 1,000 people opposed to pro-democracy movement fight 100 demonstrators after Leung Chun-ying’s talks offer

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Violent scuffles have broken out in one of Hong Kong’s most famous and congested shopping districts, as supporters of Chinese rule stormed tents and ripped down banners belonging to pro-democracy protesters.

In the gritty, bustling district of Mongkok – considered one of the most crowded places on Earth with its high-rise apartment blocks packed closely together over neon lights, bars, restaurants and open-air markets – about 1,000 Beijing supporters clashed with about 100 protesters on Friday, spitting and throwing water bottles.

Police formed a human chain to separate the two groups amid the wail of sirens.

Some demonstrators held umbrellas for police in the rain while Beijing supporters shouted at police for failing to move the demonstrators.

Protesters in Mong Kok meanwhile asked why police had not sent reinforcements to break up the clashes. A spokeswoman for the Hong Kong police force refused to comment on the number dispatched or whether they were ordinary or riot police.

“The police will take appropriate action,” the spokeswoman said. “We will deploy enough police to the scene to help safeguard safety and restore public order.”

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Op donderdag 2 oktober 2014 11:10 schreef SadPanda het volgende:

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Op vrijdag 3 oktober 2014 16:17 schreef ASSpirine het volgende:
Verschrikkelijk wat er nu aan het gebeuren is... Zit nu zelf in HK, en continu nieuws hierover.

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Op vrijdag 3 oktober 2014 21:08 schreef Igen het volgende:
Jij struint ook echt elk topic af om je Amerikahaat kwijt te kunnen hè.

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Op vrijdag 3 oktober 2014 12:17 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Ik heb het niet gevraagd, maar ik gok op een stukje propaganda, maar vast ook uit ergernis over Hong Kong'ers die zich beter voelen dan de rest van China terwijl grote delen van Hong Kong nou niet echt eruit zien alsof het er nou aangenaam vertoeven is.

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BreeNewsome twitterde op vrijdag 03-10-2014 om 20:13:45 Interesting: Hong Kong resistance labeled "revolution", #Ferguson's as "tragedy", #Gaza's not labeled at all http://t.co/zYzrLlTcGq reageer retweet

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Hong Kong legislator says government using triads against protesters

Deputy chairman of legislative council’s security panel says ‘organised, orchestrated forces’ used to disperse citizens

The deputy chairman of the Hong Kong legislative council’s security panel has accused the government of working with criminal gangs to break up pro-democracy protests.

Legislator James To told his fellow pan-democratic members on Saturday that “the [Hong Kong] government has used organised, orchestrated forces and even triad gangs in [an] attempt to disperse citizens,” according to the South China Morning Post.

His comments came as fresh clashes erupted between pro-democracy protesters and armed thugs on Saturday, with student leaders also accusing the government and the police of allowing triad gangs to attack them.

Witnesses said about 1,000 protesters faced off in Mong Kok, a densely populated known for its gang presence, at mid-morning on Saturday, but there were no uniformed police in sight.

Pro-democracy activists vowed to stand their ground over the weekend. “We will retreat after that if the situation gets worse, such as if mobs start flashing their knives at us,” Daniel Tang, who is in his 30s, told Reuters.

Thugs punched and kicked protesters on Friday night, drawing blood as they tore down their tents and attempted to force them out.

At least 12 people and six police officers were injured during the clashes on Friday, senior superintendent Patrick Kwok Pak-chung told the Associated Press.

Student leaders called off talks with the government, which were offered on Thursday, accusing officials of allowing violence to be used against them. It dashed the hopes of a resolution of the standoff prompted by a mass movement that has seen tens of thousands of people take to the streets of the city.

Demonstrators were already angry that Hong Kong’s chief executive, Leung Chun-ying, had not resigned and they had little faith in the promise of dialogue bringing change.

At times over the past week police have left the streets, saying they wanted to ease tensions, but the reason for their apparent absence on Saturday morning was unclear.

The Federation of Students said the government must provide further explanation for the violence in Mong Kok on Friday before they can hold talks with the administration, the South China Morning Post reported.

They also called on supporters to attend an assembly at the main protest site in Admiralty on Saturday evening to voice their opposition to the violence.

Alex Chow, the federation’s secretary general, said they would decide whether to escalate the demonstrations after the assembly and dependant on the government’s response.

On Friday, the veteran democracy activist Martin Lee and the Occupy Central leader, Benny Tai, blamed triads for the violence in Mong Kok. Police later confirmed that some of the 19 people arrested had triad backgrounds.

The renewed violence came as the ruling Communist party’s official newpaper, the People’s Daily, praised Hong Kong police for their restraint in the face of what it said in a front-page editorial were lawless protests, including the “poking” of police with umbrellas.

“A democratic society should respect the opinions of the minority, but it does not mean those minorities have the right to resort to illegal means,” it stated.

The protests will never spill over into the rest of China … For the minority of people who want to foment a ‘colour revolution’ on the mainland by way of Hong Kong, this is but a daydream,” it said.

Mong Kok has also seen angry confrontations between protesters and residents, who said the occupation had disrupted their lives and damaged business – reflected in the large number of bystanders yelling at the remaining demonstrators.

“We are in China. If you don’t like it go away. This is the fucking motherland,” a middle-aged member of the crowd, who gave his name as CL Fu, told Reuters. He said he was a resident and was angry about the disruption caused.

“Of course we love China, but we are worried about damage to Hong Kong economics. That’s why we’re here,” he added.

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Op woensdag 1 oktober 2014 22:10 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters vow new wave of civil disobedience

Scheduled talks between government and student groups called off shortly after press conference

Hong Kong authorities have called off negotiations with leaders of the pro-democracy “umbrella movement”, accusing them of undermining efforts to break the impasse that has paralysed the city’s main commercial hubs for almost two weeks.

Representatives of the protest movement Occupy Central with Love and Peace, the student groups Scholarism and the Hong Kong Federation of Students, and a group of pro-democracy legislators held a press conference on Thursday near the city government headquarters, where they vowed to begin a “new wave of civil disobedience”.

The demonstrators’ numbers have diminished as many of them returned to work on Monday after a national holiday, but the protest zones remain barricaded, causing traffic jams and angering scores of business owners. At the press conference, student leaders said the protests would continue until the government eased political tensions by addressing the protesters’ main demands, including free elections in 2017.

Joshua Wong Chi-fung, Scholarism’s 17-year-old leader and one of the movement’s figureheads, said students might mobilise a secondary school boycott. Pan-democrats in Hong Kong’s legislature said they would call for the impeachment of the city’s beleaguered chief executive, Leung Chun-ying, and block the government’s financial applications within subcommittees under their control.

Carrie Lam, the city’s chief secretary, cancelled scheduled talks between the government and student groups shortly after the press conference, saying that the students’ remarks had “undermined the basis for a constructive dialogue”, according to the South China Morning Post.

“This is sacrificing public good for their political demand and is against public interests and political ethics,” she said.

Beijing has approved an electoral framework that would effectively bar a democrat from running for chief executive, and has not shown any willingness to budge on the arrangement.

“My feeling is that [the government] wants to drag this out so that the rest of the citizens will be annoyed at the inconvenience, splitting society even further, before they decide what they do,” said Martin Lee, a prominent pro-democracy campaigner and former legislator.

On Wednesday, Australian media reported that Leung had accepted £4m in undisclosed payouts from an Australian engineering firm during his first two years in office. The report said the engineering firm UGL agreed to give Leung the payment as part of its acquisition of DTZ, an insolvent real estate firm that Leung helped lead for many years. Leung’s office has denied that the arrangement was illegal.

John Garnaut, one of the report’s authors, told Voice of America that reporters had been tipped off to the arrangement by an anonymous source last Sunday.

Lee said protesters have been buzzing about the revelation, with many wondering whether the tip had come from Beijing. He said many protesters wanted Leung removed from office, which would allow the government to restart a consultation process on electoral reform.

“He is the most available sacrificial lamb, from Beijing’s point of view,” Lee said. His removal “would be a good way to set aside confrontation between the two sides, and show goodwill.”

A pro-democracy group, the NeoDemocrat party, has lodged a formal complaint with Hong Kong’s anti-corruption watchdog, demanding an investigation into the arrangement, the South China Morning Post reported. The city’s department of justice has said it will field the complaint.

Mainland authorities continue to tightly restrict discussion of the pro-democracy movement on social media. Police have detained dozens of activists countrywide for supporting the protests, including up to a dozen people in Songzhuang, an artist community in western Beijing, who held a pro-umbrella movement poetry recital last week.

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Hong Kong protesters take to streets after government pulls out of talks

Decision expected to reinvigorate mass pro-democracy rallies that have paralysed parts of Hong Kong for almost two weeks

Thousands of pro-democracy supporters took to Hong Kong’s streets on Friday night after protest leaders called on them to dig in for the long haul following the collapse of talks with the government.

Negotiations between protesters and Beijing-backed city officials were scheduled for Friday, but were cancelled on Thursday after the government pulled out blaming protesters for threatening to expand their campaign.

The decision deepened the political crisis in the Asian financial hub, with the failure of talks expected to reinvigorate mass rallies that have paralysed parts of the city for nearly two weeks.

Demonstrators are calling for Beijing to grant the former British colony full democracy and for Hong Kong’s chief executive, Leung Chun-ying, to resign.

About 7,000 people gathered on Friday evening at the main protest site, a stretch of road opposite the government’s headquarters.

But while crowds were smaller than ay previous rallies, the protest sites have begun to take on an air of permanence, with tents, portable showers and beds.

“I will continue to stay here until the government talks to us,” sais Yuki Law, a 21-year-old nursing student.

Student leaders on Friday blamed the government for pulling out of talks, and insisted they were still open to finding a middle ground. But they vowed no let up in their occupation of parts of Hong Kong despite growing public anger about the disruption they have caused.

“Come to occupy the road outside the public headquarters, come bring your tents to show our persistence on long term occupy action,” student leader Joshua Wong told supporters before the planned mass gathering.

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Op woensdag 15 oktober 2014 13:35 schreef static het volgende:
Rodney King praktijken hier in Hong Kong. Was net op het lokale nieuws een man die gearresteerd was (geboeid aan handen en voeten) en waar de politie - man of 6 - een minuut of 4 op losgaat met slaan, trappen, etc. terwijl de man op de grond lag.

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Op woensdag 15 oktober 2014 13:53 schreef Jibberism_ het volgende:
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Tsja... Ooit worden die Chinezen en Amerikanen beste pliessiemaatjes.

Joe Lieberman U..S. needs Internet kill switch like China

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Politie Hongkong arresteert tientallen demonstranten

De oproerpolitie van Hongkong heeft vandaag 26 demonstranten gearresteerd. Agenten en duizenden betogers vochten urenlang om de straten van de wijk Mong Kok, die de politie eerder op de dag nog had schoongeveegd.

Volgens de politie probeerde een menigte van ongeveer negenduizend demonstranten weer bezit te nemen van de wijk. Ze zouden herhaaldelijk hebben ingebeukt op politiekordons. Ordetroepen grepen vervolgens in. Verscheidene betogers, onder wie veel studenten, werden tegen de grond geslagen en tientallen anderen weggevoerd door de politie.

'Politie heeft zichzelf niet in de hand'
'De politie heeft zich niet meer in de hand', zei Tommy Lee, ooggetuige van de rellen, ontzet. 'Ze slaan demonstranten in elkaar alsof we beesten zijn. We zijn boos. De studenten zijn onze toekomst.' Voor Lee was naar eigen zeggen de maat vol toen hij agenten vier betogers in de boeien zag slaan die oogden als middelbare scholieren.

Eerder op de dag had de politie tenten en barricades van het kleine protestkamp in Mong Kok verwijderd. Het kampement lag niet ver van de belangrijkste plek waar betogers samen zijn gekomen, bij Victoria Harbor in het financiële hart van de stad.

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PRHacks twitterde op woensdag 05-11-2014 om 17:01:46 Live: I am marching with students in Central for #MillionMaskMarch. Police very nervous. #Anonymous #OccupyHK http://t.co/o627R1EAIq reageer retweet

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China helpt Hongkong de orde te herstellen

De Chinese president Xi Jinping heeft zondag de leider van Hongkong, Leung Chun-ying, beloofd te helpen met het herstellen en bewaken van de orde in Hongkong. Daar is het al lange tijd chaos door demonstrerende studenten. Zo zijn belangrijke wegen in het economisch en bestuurlijk centrum al weken geblokkeerd. Op welke manier China gaat helpen is niet bekend.

De studenten willen minder bemoeienis van China en eisen volledige democratie in Hongkong. Op het hoogtepunt waren er meer dan 100.000 demonstranten op de been.

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Op zondag 9 november 2014 14:45 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Tienamin part deux?

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Chinese President Xi Jinping told Hong Kong leader Leung Chun-ying on Sunday that he supports Hong Kong's efforts to maintain social order and safeguard the rule of law, state news agency Xinhua reported.

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Op zondag 9 november 2014 15:13 schreef crashbangboom het volgende:

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dit is het artikel van reuters waar naar wordt verwezen. Vertalen is ook een kunst, want daar staat toch echt wat anders

http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSKBN0IT03W20141109

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support = steunt.

en niet "gaat helpen"

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Op zondag 9 november 2014 15:18 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:

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Vertalen is inderdaad een kunst.

Als je denkt dat dit soort vertaal 'slordigheden' per ongeluk zijn ben je naief. En er hoeft niet eens een conspiracy achter te zitten, kan gewoon zijn om meer ad inkomsten te krijgen omdat meer mensen op de link klikken.

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Op zaterdag 18 oktober 2014 17:45 schreef static het volgende:
Gerucht gaat dat de politie een grote schoonmaak-actie gaat houden vannacht (het is hier nu bijna middernacht).

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Op zondag 9 november 2014 15:20 schreef crashbangboom het volgende:

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Het is toch gvd de frontpage niet?

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Hong Kong protesters face arrest after court rules on evictions

Violence feared as authorities say there is no room for further dialogue with student-led protesters

Pro-democracy protesters camped out on the streets of Hong Kong for more than six weeks face arrest after a court authorised police to help bailiffs clear them from occupation sites, a senior government official has warned.

The acting chief secretary, Carrie Lam, also said there was no room for further dialogue with the student-led protesters, whom she said had hardened their position, raising the prospect of more violence as the government struggles to end the mostly peaceful standoff.

Lam’s remarks to reporters came a day after Hong Kong’s high court extended injunctions requiring protesters to leave two of the three protest sites while also authorising bailiffs to seek police assistance to clear the areas.

Lam said “the police will give full assistance, including making arrests where necessary” to enforce the injunctions.

She urged protesters to “voluntarily and peacefully” leave the occupied areas so that roads and building entrances could be reopened.

The demonstrators have been occupying key thoroughfares since 28 September to protest against the Chinese central government’s requirement that candidates for inaugural 2017 elections for Hong Kong’s top leader be screened by a panel of Beijing-friendly elites.

On Monday, a judge extended interim restraining orders taken out three weeks ago by bus, minibus and taxi operators against protesters blocking streets in Hong Kong’s densely populated Mong Kok district. The owner of an office building next to the main protest site surrounding city government headquarters in Admiralty district also had a restraining order extended.

Previous police attempts to clear protesters from occupied areas with force have backfired, drawing more demonstrators on to the streets and forcing authorities to back off.

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Hong Kong student leaders plan to fly to China for talks

Group hold plane tickets for Beijing on Saturday, where they hope to meet China’s top officials to press case for voting rights

Student leaders of the mass pro-democracy protests that have rocked Hong Kong since September have said they plan to fly to Beijing on Saturday to try to meet China’s top officials to press their case for a greater say in choosing the territory’s next leader.

Eason Chung, a member of a student group that played a main role in organising street protests that started nearly two months ago, said on Friday that he and two others had bought plane tickets for the trip.

If they are allowed to enter mainland China, they said they will go straight to China’s legislature to seek talks with Premier Li Keqiang and other officials.

The students have already asked the Hong Kong government’s No 2 official as well as former leader Tung Chee-hwa to arrange a meeting, but their requests have been rebuffed.

“When those bridges between the Hong Kong government and Beijing rejected all our demands, we think they are not doing their due responsibility, so we’ll go ourselves,” said Chung, a member of the Hong Kong Federation of Students.

Federation leader Alex Chow and two deputies, Chung and Nathan Law, are scheduled to depart the former British colony for the Chinese capital on a Cathay Pacific flight at 5pm on Saturday.

They had previously considered going to Beijing during a major summit of Pacific Rim leaders that ended Wednesday but decided against it.

The protesters have been occupying streets in three business and shopping districts to oppose Beijing’s decision that a panel screen candidates for the territory’s inaugural 2017 elections.

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Op woensdag 12 november 2014 07:35 schreef static het volgende:
Donderdag gaan ze los (althans, wat er nog van over is; het is allemaal niet zo indrukwekkend meer); er staan 7.000 politie-agenten klaar.

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Hong Kong protesters break into government building

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A small group of Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters broke into the city’s legislature via a side door early on Wednesday, and police stopped others forcing their way in as tensions in the Chinese-controlled city escalated following a period of calm.

The flare-up came just hours after court bailiffs managed to clear part of a protest camp in the heart of the city that has been occupied by pro-democracy demonstrators for nearly two months, while leaving most of the main protest site intact.

About 100 riot police with helmets, batons and shields stood guard outside the government building in the early hours of Wednesday, facing off with protesters who are demanding free elections for the city’s next leader in 2017.

“Police retreat!” the protesters chanted.

It was the first time protesters had broken into a key public building, defying the expectations of many political analysts who had predicted that Hong Kong’s most tenacious and protracted protest movement would slowly wind down.

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A democratic lawmaker at the scene, Fernando Cheung, said he and other protesters had tried to stop the small group of radical activists from breaking through.

“This is a very, very isolated incident. I think it’s very unfortunate and this is something we don’t want to see happen because the movement so far has been very peaceful,” he said.

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Betogers Hongkong bestormen parlementsgebouw

Betogers hebben woensdag het parlementsgebouw in Hongkong bestormd. Een groepje demonstranten wist via een zij-ingang binnen te komen.

In de twee maanden tijd dat in Hongkong wordt geprotesteerd, is het voor het eerst dat ze een belangrijk overheidsgebouw aanvallen.

Volgens getuigen probeerden de demonstranten ramen en deuren open te slaan. Het lukte overigens niet iedereen om binnen te komen, omdat de politie traangas inzette.

Vier mannen zijn aangehouden omdat ze spullen hadden vernield. Drie agenten raakten gewond door de confrontaties, zei de politie. Niet lang na de botsingen was de rust weer teruggekeerd.

Een deel van de plek waar betogers al maanden bivakkeren, werd dinsdag ontruimd. Een rechter had daartoe opdracht gegeven. De demonstranten willen meer democratie en vrije verkiezingen in 2017.

_{Door: ANP}