Crisis Oekraïne - Rusland #146 Op naar Kiev!

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:37 schreef JeMoeder het volgende:

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Volwassen zeg.

Je had letterlijk 5 woorden moeten invullen in Google en je had gezien dat Japan ook mee deed.

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:28 schreef theunderdog het volgende:
Gewoon lekker doorgaan met de sancties terwijl verschillende bronnen al aangeven dat ze zeker niet het gewenste effect gaan geven.

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:33 schreef theunderdog het volgende:

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Socialist.

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:39 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Mensen die denken dat sancties een verdienmodel zijn.

Santies zijn oorlogsvoering met mildere middelen. Ja, het kost iedereen geld. Beter dan elkaar doodschieten.

De sancties van het Westen zijn bedoeld om de kosten van landje pik in Oekraine voor Rusland kostbaarder te maken. Oekraine kan zich misschien onvoldoende verdedigen, maar dat betekent niet dat Rusland daarom zijn gang kan gaan.

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Veel CEOs van bedrijven spelen ook 'might = right' maar dan in de arena van de economie. Marktwerking is ook amoreel.

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:34 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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Je aanname dat de Aziatische maatschappijen bij zo'n boycot wel zullen blijven vliegen is nogal een dappere.

Nogmaals een leuk en voor jou ongrijpbaar begrip "geopolitiek".

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:37 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Welke Aziatische, niet-westerse luchtvaartmaatschappij vliegt überhaupt over Rusland?

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:45 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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Lees nu gewoon eens wat hier het afgelopen half uur over is geschreven.

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:45 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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Lees nu gewoon eens wat hier het afgelopen half uur over is geschreven.

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:30 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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Daar zal het vermoedelijk wel op neer komen. Wanneer Moskou selectief maatschappijen uit gaat sluiten voldoen ze vast niet aan de voorwaarden die men internationaal heeft afgesproken en dan volgt er vast een of andere schorsing. Daarnaast is er maar een handvol grote internationale partijen en die werken samen. Die vlucht van het Aziatische Malaisian Airways was er gelijktijdig ook een van KLM.

Men gunt die Aziatische maatschappijen dat onevenredige concurrentievoordeel ook gewoon niet.

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:33 schreef Zienswijze het volgende:

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Hoe wil jij diplomatiek voor elkaar krijgen om ervoor te zorgen dat Aziatische maatschappij omvliegen? Wat zeg je precies en op basis van welke internationale wetgeving neem je deze maatregelen tegen hen? Wat haalt hen precies over om om te vliegen?

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:48 schreef JeMoeder het volgende:

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Dan hebben we ook nog Malaysia, Singapore Airlines, Thai etc.

Tot nu toe is echter alleen Japan meegehopt op het sanctiebootje, dus het zal alleen JAL, ANA en andere Japanse airlines treffen denk ik.

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:39 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

Deelname aan de verschillende allianties tussen de grote vliegtuigmaatschappijen alleen al.
En verder heb je mijn post niet gelezen zo te zien dus ik verwijs even weer terug...

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:55 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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Heb je nu werkelijk nooit gehoord van de verschillende grote allianties die samenwerken in de luchtvaart? Zoals bv Sky Team waar ik naar verwees? Daar zijn eigenlijk alle grote maatschappijen aan verbonden.
Dus tenzij de Russen accepteren dat Garuda of Korean Air vluchten voor KLM-Air France gaan uitvoeren boven Rusland onder hun naam zullen die Aziatische partijen er net zo hard last van hebben.

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:58 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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Zie de post boven die jij net plaatst.
De Russen zijn ook niet gek.

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Romanian president Traian Basescu has said Nato has a contingency plan for the "0.01 percent" chance that Russia will one day attack his country.

Romania, the EU's most easterly member state, has a 650km border with Ukraine. It also has a Black Sea coastline, which is close to Crimea.

Speaking in Bucharest on Sunday (7 September) after a Nato summit which focused on the Russia-Ukraine conflict, Basescu said his country and neighbouring Bulgaria were so far considered "outside a military risk", but that Romania now has contingency plans for naval, air or land attacks.

He said Turkey, Poland, and the Baltic states already had similar plans.

But he noted that Russian warships in Sevastopol, Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in March, are just 160 sea miles from the Romanian coast. "These are ships that can reach [our] Black Sea coast in six hours", he said.

He note the Ukraine conflict could spill into Romania if Russia takes "irrational actions".

He said he is "99.9 percent" sure this will not happen.

"But there is a 0.01 percent chance, and as a head of state I don't have the right not to take this security crisis into consideration and not to ask that together with our allies we are safeguarding Romania's security against the irrational," he added.

Basescu mentioned that one of the Ukrainian separatist leaders on Saturday said their objective was to reach the Romanian border.

"This means our intuition is confirmed by someone who with a gun in his hand, who is threatening the territorial integrity of Romania".

Ukraine president Petro Poroshenko last week also said that Russia could one day conquer Bucharest, Warsaw, or the Baltic capitals.

But Basescu poured cold water on the statement.

"President Poroshenko is in a situation where he thought he could eliminate the separatist problem with his national army, he then had to agree to a ceasefire and lose control over a quite large territory, so he probably tried to find explanation", the Romanian leader said, referring to the Russia-Ukraine ceasefire agreement last week.

"I contradict him categorically - no matter how big a power Russia is, it cannot withstand 28 [Nato] countries which include the US, the UK, Germany".

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German government spokesman says ceasefire in Ukraine not sufficient
Monday, September 08, 2014

A ceasefire agreed between Ukrainian government forces and pro-Russian separatists is not sufficient as other issues including border control and the exchange of prisoners still need to be addressed, a German government spokesman said on Monday.

"It's not just about this one issue of a ceasefire. There's a long list of things that were agreed to and which need to be implemented, not just the ceasefire," Steffen Seibert said.

"As much as we all want a ceasefire to be respected by all sides, there are other issues like OSCE monitoring, the exchange of prisoners and hostages, monitoring of borders and the start of a dialogue - there's a lot more than just sticking to the ceasefire."

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 14:55 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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Dus tenzij de Russen accepteren dat Garuda of Korean Air vluchten voor KLM-Air France gaan uitvoeren boven Rusland onder hun naam zullen die Aziatische partijen er net zo hard last van hebben.

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World_Coal_Mag twitterde op maandag 08-09-2014 om 15:03:24 #Ukraine buys #coal from #SouthAfrica http://t.co/OHhpGUy9dj as domestic supplies are cut off by conflict in the east of the country. reageer retweet

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op maandag 08-09-2014 om 14:53:21 Ex-deputy #Moldova Interior Minister Kosovan: #Russia|n "green men" appeared in Moldova, they recruit young people &train them to use arms reageer retweet

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kjovano twitterde op maandag 08-09-2014 om 15:09:48 #Ukraine's Poroshenko enters, national anthem playing #Mariupol http://t.co/zAAhgopGkt reageer retweet

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 15:11 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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We weten nog niet eens of de Russen sancties uit gaan schrijven.

Maar jij verwacht dat ze sancties uitschrijven waar de maatschappijen met een pennenstreek onderuit kunnen komen?
Alle grote luchtvaartmaatschappijen doen mee aan een van die allianties, dat zou het dus wel heel makkelijk maken.

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Russia reopens criminal cases against Lithuanians who refused to serve in Soviet army

Russia has reopened 25-year-old cases that may lead to criminal charges against young people who refused to serve in the Soviet army in 1990-1991, shows a request for legal assistance received by the Lithuanian Prosecutor General's Office.

"We have received such request for legal assistance. As the activities, which Russia lists among criminal deeds, is not criminalized in Lithuania, the request for legal assistance will not be processed," Vilma Mažonė of the Prosecutor General's Office told BNS.

The Prosecutor General's Office refused to reveal further details of the case.

Russia may bring criminal charges against the citizens of Lithuania who left the Soviet army or refused to serve there after Lithuania declared independence on 11 March 1990.

Some of the young men were abducted and transported to Soviet army units by force, some were sent to jail, a few died during persecution by Soviet army officers, while others returned to the Soviet military units in fears for their own or their family's safety, some escaped the Soviet army by hiding.

According to data provided by the Lithuanian Ministry of National Defence, 1,562 young people refused forced service in the Soviet army after 11 March 1990. Of them, 67 were taken to Soviet military units by force, 20 were sentenced to jail terms, three faced criminal charges and three died.

Another 1,465 were forced to go into hiding, change their place of residence and leave families to avoid forced service or repressions by the Soviet army or the Soviet authorities.

Advised against travelling outside EU and NATO

The Lithuanian State Security Department has strongly advised that citizens who obeyed the government's call and refused to serve in the Soviet army in 1990–1991 not travel to Russia, Belarus and other countries outside the European Union (EU) and NATO for now.

"The State Security Department strongly urges the citizens of the Republic of Lithuania who listened to the Lithuanian government's call and refused to serve in the Soviet army to refrain from travels to Russia, Belarus and other countries that are not members of the European Union or NATO. Amid the current international situation, travels to these countries can jeopardize personal safety of the citizens," the department said in a press release on Monday.

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International exercise Flaming Thunder 2014 begins in Lithuania

International exercise dedicated for artillery and mortar units Flaming Thunder 2014, organised by the Land Force, is commencing on Monday at the General Silvestras ´ukauskas Training Range. Over the course of two weeks, more than three hundred Lithuanian and US soldiers will be improving their skills, training to conduct defensive operations using artillery and mortars.

120mm and 60mm mortar fire teams and 105mm howitzer batteries of the Lithuanian Land Force will operate together with 120mm, 81mm and 60mm mortar fire teams of the US 173rd Airborne Brigade and 105mm howitzer batteries of the 4th Battalion 319th Airborne Field Artillery Regiment.

The goal of the Flaming Thunder exercise, which is held for the second time, is to develop combat readiness of the Land Force artillery and mortar teams to provide indirect fire support to infantry units.

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 15:26 schreef 99.999 het volgende:

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Lees nu eens wat er geschreven wordt Zienswijze...

Verwacht je echt dat de Russen sancties uitschrijven die door middel van eenvoudig code sharing aan de kant geschoven kunnen worden?
Waarom zouden ze dan sancties uit gaan schrijven?

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En verreweg de meeste luchtvaartmaatschappijen zijn bij dergelijke allianties aangesloten.
Hier heb je voor je indruk de drie grootste
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyTeam_(luchtvaartorganisatie)
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneworld
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Alliance

Deze drie zijn bij elkaar al goed voor meer dan 1 miljard passagiers per jaar.
Er zal best een obscure maatschappij zijn die hier compleet buitenvalt en wel over Rusland vanuit Azië naar Europa vliegt maar dat mag geen naam hebben.

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French volunteer of Russian origin released in Ukraine

DONETSK, September 08. /ITAR-TASS/. Militia of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) have released two people, whom they held captive, in exchange for a Russian poet, Yuri Yurchenko, a DPR high-ranking defense official told ITAR-TASS on Monday.

“At about 3 a.m. an exchange of prisoners took place,” he said adding that they released two people in exchange for Yurchenko.

The poet, a French national, was held captive by the government forces in Donetsk since May.

“He was beaten in captivity - his ribs are broken,” the DPR man said without specifying the identity of people that the militia handed over to Kiev representatives.

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Ukraine must stop ongoing abuses and war crimes by pro-Ukrainian volunteer forces

(Kyiv) In a meeting with Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk today, Amnesty International Secretary General Salil Shetty urged the Ukrainian government to stop abuses and war crimes by volunteer battalions operating alongside regular Ukrainian armed forces.

“The Ukrainian authorities must not replicate the lawlessness and abuses that have prevailed in areas previously held by separatists,” said Salil Shetty, Amnesty International Secretary General from Kyiv.

“The failure to stop abuses and possible war crimes by volunteer battalions risks significantly aggravating tensions in the east of the country and undermining the proclaimed intentions of the new Ukrainian authorities to strengthen and uphold the rule of law more broadly.”

The call came as Amnesty International published fresh research collected on the ground in the northern Luhansk region, Abuses and war crimes by the Aidar Volunteer Battalion in the north Luhansk region, documenting a growing range of abuses by the Aidar Volunteer battalion.

Aidar is one of more than thirty so-called volunteer battalions to have emerged in the wake of the conflict which have been loosely integrated into Ukrainian security structures as they seek to retake separatist held areas.

Amnesty International has documented a growing spate of abuses, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, robbery, extortion, and possible executions committed by the Aidar battalion. Some of these amount to war crimes.

The organization is calling on the Ukrainian authorities to bring all volunteer battalions, including Aidar, under effective lines of command and control, to promptly investigate all allegations of abuses and to hold those responsible to account.

The Ukrainian Prime Minister expressed the government's commitment to bringing all perpetrators of conflict related abuses to account.

"Amnesty International welcomes the Ukrainian government's commitment to restore and ensure justice in the conflict affected areas. We will hold them to this promise," said Salil Shetty.

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 15:55 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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http://www.amnestyusa.org(...).VA2m-vkMPDk.twitter

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 16:28 schreef Libertarisch het volgende:
Verder:

"De nieuwe strafmaatregelen zijn onder meer gericht tegen Russische bedrijven als Rosneft en Gazprom, voor wie het moeilijker wordt kapitaal aan te trekken uit de EU. De aardgastak van Gazprom, de belangrijke energietoeleveraar van de Unie, blijft gespaard."

Wat een hypocrisie zeg

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Op maandag 8 september 2014 16:42 schreef zuchtje het volgende:

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Inderdaad. Erg hypocriet dat we niet gewoon heel Rusland in de ban doen. Een beetje cherrypicken met sancties. En dat mag zomaar!