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vanaf 2:48twitter:rConflictNews twitterde op zondag 24-08-2014 om 20:06:02Video: Intense street battle in #Ilovaisk #Ukraine, where the Pro-Russian Motorola unit fights against Kiev forces. http://t.co/ZXlkBBr7Ws reageer retweet
http://www.hrw.org/news/2(...)y-laws-war-violationquote:Dispatches: Marking Ukrainian Independence Day with a Laws-of-War Violation
Armed men with bayonet-equipped automatic rifles parade several dozen captured soldiers, their hands tied behind their backs, through the streets among crowds shouting “fascists” and other insults. Behind the parade, three cleaning trucks “cleanse” the streets where the detainees just walked.
Sadly, this is not a scene from an old black-and-white news reel about World War II. This took place today in Donetsk, a city in eastern Ukraine controlled by pro-Russian separatist forces. The soldiers were captured members of Ukrainian forces. And it’s now in color, all over YouTube and other social media.
Apparently inspired by a parade of 60,000 German prisoners of war in Moscow in 1944, rebel forces in Donetsk decided to mark Ukrainian Independence Day with a blatant violation of the laws of war. A few days ago, pro-rebel media said that “Prime minister of DPR, A. V. Zakharchenko, just now ordered the presentation of damaged military vehicles of the Ukrop [Ukrainian] army on the Lenin square on August 24. And prisoners will be escorted through the city, like their German inspirers were in Moscow.”
The Geneva Conventions’ common article 3, which applies to all non-international armed conflicts, prohibits “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.” This parade is a clear violation of that absolute prohibition, and may be considered a war crime.
Russia should exert its considerable influence over the separatist forces in eastern Ukraine to ensure that detainees are treated humanely and with dignity. That means also not parading detainees through the streets for public insult and scorn.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2(...)ity-war-torn-donetskquote:Terror in Their Eyes: Captivity in War-torn Donetsk
Several dozen people have gathered by the reinforced checkpoint at the entrance to the rebel-occupied special services (SBU) building here. It is 6 p.m, but the August heat is still stifling. The people, most of them women, wait in silence, their eyes downcast. They are waiting for The List.
"Is this the place where they read the list of captives?" I whisper to three women huddled on a small bench, a few steps away from numerous camouflage-clad guards with Kalashnikov assault rifles. "Have they taken someone from you too?" one of the women, Anna, whispers back.
When I explain that I am here to document illegal detentions, hostage-taking, and other abuses, two of the women jump up and walk away, merging with the crowd, but Anna stays put. "Yes, every night, between 6 and 7, an SBU representative comes out and reads the updated list of those who they're holding. They took my husband away last night. If he's being held here his name should be on the list. If not I'll just keep looking. They have such prisons in several other places around town. Also, they take some of the captives outside Donetsk."
Anna sighs, staring into space. In a soft monotone, she describes how she got home and found her husband missing and her apartment torn apart. Her neighbors told her that a group of armed men acting on behalf of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) forced their way in, carried out a "search," took the family computer as well as some valuables, told her husband he was being "arrested," and drove off with him.
She thinks it is because he expressed some pro-Ukrainian views on social media. But she is even more frightened they might accuse him of being an informer for the Ukrainian army because he "often rode his bicycle to work and they just have this thing about bicycles and there are some unfriendly neighbors who could have reported him to the DNR, simply out of spite…."
It's 6:30 p.m. already. A DNR representative in rumpled fatigues approaches the gate from inside the yard, and people flatten themselves against the gate and one another, straining to get closer. He unfolds a two-page document, clears his throat and starts reading out names, stumbling over syllables. I count 55 names. "That's it," he says. For another few seconds, the crowd is silent, and then the silence is broken by a piercing scream, "I know my son is here! Why is his name not on the list? Why are you holding him? He's just 18! What did he do?"
More questions are fired at the list-reader, who just shrugs and says his job is to read the list, not to provide explanations. He asks the relatives of those on the list, Anna among them, to stay for a few minutes and the rest to go home without making a fuss. He even sounds sympathetic, referring to the "severity of war time," reassuring the crowd that those on the list are treated well and suggesting that those who aren't on the list will be found sooner or later.
Some of the relatives who have learned from the list that their loved ones are in detention get no further information except, "If he was detained there must be a reason." Others learn that their family members were taken away for political reasons. Many learn that their relatives were rounded up simply for violating the curfew — being spotted outside between 11 p.m. and 6 a.m. — or walking around drunk. Their punishment is digging trenches at the front line or filling up sandbags at checkpoints for 10 days or several weeks, turning them into forced laborers. Anyone who's been through insurgent checkpoints around Donetsk has seen them.
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Manmanman, wat een gespuisquote:Op zondag 24 augustus 2014 20:17 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
vanaf 2:48twitter:rConflictNews twitterde op zondag 24-08-2014 om 20:06:02Video: Intense street battle in #Ilovaisk #Ukraine, where the Pro-Russian Motorola unit fights against Kiev forces. http://t.co/ZXlkBBr7Ws reageer retweet
http://liveuamap.com/e/2014/24-of-august-shooting-reported-in-mariupol?ll=47.94164685483263;38.13732147216797&zoom=12quote:Op zondag 24 augustus 2014 20:17 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
vanaf 2:48twitter:rConflictNews twitterde op zondag 24-08-2014 om 20:06:02Video: Intense street battle in #Ilovaisk #Ukraine, where the Pro-Russian Motorola unit fights against Kiev forces. http://t.co/ZXlkBBr7Ws reageer retweet
Nee, daar:quote:Op zondag 24 augustus 2014 23:18 schreef Zith het volgende:
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http://liveuamap.com/e/2014/24-of-august-shooting-reported-in-mariupol?ll=47.94164685483263;38.13732147216797&zoom=12
Da's daar.
Donbass battalion vecht daar toch?quote:Op zondag 24 augustus 2014 20:17 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
vanaf 2:48twitter:rConflictNews twitterde op zondag 24-08-2014 om 20:06:02Video: Intense street battle in #Ilovaisk #Ukraine, where the Pro-Russian Motorola unit fights against Kiev forces. http://t.co/ZXlkBBr7Ws reageer retweet
http://liveuamap.com/e/2014/23-of-august--gru-sof-soldiers-in-ilovaisk?ll=49.46633911252831;38.694791795132474&zoom=12quote:Op zondag 24 augustus 2014 23:20 schreef DSVM het volgende:
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Nee, daar:
https://www.google.nl/maps/place/Ilovais'k,+Donetsk+Oblast,+Oekra%C3%AFne/@47.9275755,38.2034635,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x40e0f1afe1fb636f:0xa4fac5886ccdaeae
Ik zie op liveuamap:quote:
Er is een oorlog op twee fronten:quote:Op zondag 24 augustus 2014 20:03 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
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Als ik dat lees mag Kiev blij zijn dat het einde van de oorlog niet in zicht is...
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 00:17:49UA journo Butusov: Russian army units entered #Ukraine- controlled territory & are surrounding Ukrainian forces fighting for #Ilovaisk reageer retweet
Hun youtube channel:quote:The Center publishes the foreign policy bimonthly The National Interest and tends to promote the realist perspective on foreign policy.
Je verstaat er alleen geen kloot van. Ben wel benieuwd wat de discussie nou is.quote:Op maandag 25 augustus 2014 04:04 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
Independence Day in St. Petersburg - EPIC
Het zou een herhaling zijn van Moskou 1944, toen met Duitse krijgsgevangenen.quote:Op maandag 25 augustus 2014 06:40 schreef TLC het volgende:
Een schoonmaakwagen die de straat schoonmaakt achter krijgsgevangenen![]()
Soms zou je denken dat we echt 80 jaar terug de tijd zijn ingeslingerd
Zijn teveel (economische) belangen die spelen, dus gaat niet gebeuren.quote:Op maandag 25 augustus 2014 08:33 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
Ik zie veel berichten over Russische troepen ten zuiden van Donetsk.
NAVO meld ook dat Russische artillerie eenheden de grens over zijn gestoken.
Het zou fijn zijn als dit eindelijk een keer hardop wordt gezegd door onze regeringsleiders.
En dan Merkel die zegt dat er een oplossing moet komen zonder Rusland pijn te doen? Hoe wil je dat in vredesnaam nu nog bereiken? Oekraine gaat nooit accepteren dat ze het oosten verliezen.
Dat ze het hardop zeggen niet eens? Dat lijkt me erg moeilijk vol te houden.quote:Op maandag 25 augustus 2014 08:44 schreef Happel het volgende:
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Zijn teveel (economische) belangen die spelen, dus gaat niet gebeuren.
quote:BERLIJN (Dow Jones)--De Duitse bondskanselier Angela Merkel heeft zondag de hoop ingeperkt dat een op dinsdag gehouden vergadering tussen de leiders van Rusland en Oekraine een doorbraak in de crisis zal betekenen.
Een dag na een vergadering met de Oekraiense president Petro Porosjenko in Kiev om de steun voor het land te uitten, spreekt Merkel op zondag uit dat de ontmoeting tussen Porosjenko en de Russische president Vladimir Poetin op dinsdag in Minsk nog steeds noodzakelijk is omdat het conflict niet met militaire middelen kan worden opgelost.
"Mijn bezoek aan Kiev was ook gericht op de voorbereiding van die vergadering, die zeker niet zal leiden tot een doorbraak, om de verwachtingen te dempen. Maar gesprekken met elkaar zijn noodzakelijk als we tot een oplossing willen komen", zegt Merkel in een interview met televisiezender ARD.
Op de vraag of Merkel verwacht dat Rusland Oekraine binnen zal vallen, ontweek Merkel een direct antwoord. Ze noemde de situatie in Oekraine zeer kwetsbaar en zei dat het noodzakelijk is om uit de "zeer gevaarlijke" situatie te komen.
Door Andrea Thomas. Vertaald en bewerkt door Ellen Proper; Dow Jones Nieuwsdienst: +31-20-5715200; ellen.proper@wsj.com
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