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Doe ik ook niet zo, maar in wat hij net zei heeft hij volkomen gelijk, zij het wat gechargeerd.quote:Op maandag 25 augustus 2014 13:16 schreef DSVM het volgende:
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De inhoud van Baajguardian serieus nemen
Had het over zn zn laatste opmerking in dezenquote:
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Sorry, maar die jongen komt hier nou al erg lang en ik heb nog geen enkele post van hem gezien die überhaupt ergens maar fatsoenlijk onderbouwt was met iets anders dan Kremlin propaganda.
Dan ga je daar op een gegeven moment gewoon geen moeite meer in steken.
Och, ik vind de eenzijdigheid in veel media stuitend. Moeilijk te zeggen wie zich nog onafhankelijk kan noemen. Positief verrast door Erik Mouthaan. De rest stelt me teleur. En dan druk ik me uitzonderlijk mild uit.quote:Op maandag 25 augustus 2014 13:13 schreef Happel het volgende:
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Ik zie ook liever berichten van onafhankelijke journalisten dan iets van Oekraïense of Russische media. Die wagen zich allebei aan gekleurde berichten omtrent deze situatie.
Toch vind ik de berichtgeving over het algemeen wel duidelijk hier.
Wel is het wederom een leerzame ervaring
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Voortdurend elkaar vernederen. Het lijkt in Oost-Europa een natuurlijke manier van in het leven staan.quote:Op maandag 25 augustus 2014 13:35 schreef meth1745 het volgende:
twitter:BlackDeathGod twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 05:21:47 [eng subs] Kyiv blogger Dmitry Dzigovbrodsky thanks UA 'patriots' for fu...: http://t.co/xe2KWVFMnn via @YouTubeHAHA #Ukraine LOOOOL reageer retweet
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door deelnemer op 25-08-2014 15:47:44 ]
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http://belsat.eu/en/wiado(...)broken-out-here.htmlquote:Ukrainian military clash with pro-Russian separatists: 'A war has broken out here'
Ukrainian government forces engaged with a separatist armored column near the southeastern town of Novoazovsk, about 10 km (6 miles) from the Russian border, Ukraine's military said on Monday.
Border guards halted the advance of the column about 5 km northeast of the town, which is on the Azov Sea, it said in a Facebook post.
The new military thrust by the separatists, which a pro-government militia commander said might be aimed at capturing the government-held port city of Mariupol, appeared to open up a new southern front in the five-month conflict in Ukraine's east.
Fighting has been concentrated around the two big rebel-held cities of Donetsk and Luhansk to the north.
The commander of a Ukrainian national guard unit in the area near Novoazovsk where the fighting was reported to be happening told Reuters by telephone: "A war has broken out here." He said he could not speak and ended the conversation.
Semen Semenchenko, commander of the pro-government Azov militia, said on his Facebook page that around 50 armored vehicles had crossed the border from Russia.
About 40 of them were trying to move in the direction of Mariupol while the remainder were moving north towards Amvrosiyivka, he said.
"The invasion of the Russian occupiers is taking place," he said. The attacking forces were, for now, "localised and easily neutralised" and there had been up to now no fighting around Mariupol itself, he added.
The column's movement towards Novoazovsk had been accompanied by artillery shelling from across the border, he said.
Lyudmila, a resident of Novoazovsk who was reached by telephone, said: "Everything began at 8 o'clock this morning. Tanks appeared - no fewer than 7 of them, and Grads (rockets) and armored vehicles."
She said some of the tanks bore flags with emblems of a separatist group calling itself the Orthodox Liberation Army. She added the rebel forces had occupied the village of Markine, about 7 kms away from Novoazovsk and were firing on the town.
"Novoazovsk has died. People are hiding (from the shelling). We heard rumors of an invasion just a couple of days ago. The Ukrainian flag has been taken down on the city council offices," she said.
Asked at a news conference in Moscow about reports of an incursion across the border from Russia into the area of Ukraine near Markine, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said: "I have not heard of this, but there is plenty of disinformation out there about our 'incursions'."
Meerdere fronten = lastiger verdedigen. Ze kunnen aan de Russische kant van de grens vrijelijk bewegen dus eenvoudig een nieuw front openen zoals nu in het zuiden.
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Met andere woorden, de separatisten mogen met militair materieel vrijelijk bewegen door Rusland.quote:
Meerdere fronten = lastiger verdedigen. Ze kunnen aan de Russische kant van de grens vrijelijk bewegen dus eenvoudig een nieuw front openen zoals nu in het zuiden.
Dat lijkt me ook niet de bedoeling.
"The north remembers, Lord Davos. The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done.”
Officeel gebeurd het niet, maar het zal wel gedoogd worden.quote:
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Met andere woorden, de separatisten mogen met militair materieel vrijelijk bewegen door Rusland.
Dat lijkt me ook niet de bedoeling.
Maar die kaart geeft aan dat er ook in het noorden van Lugansk gepenetreerd wordt, daar heb ik niks over gehoord. En dat vanaf zee, is een Russisch schip?
Say what?
Er was gisteren geloof ik en bericht die grenspost daar vanaf zee bestookt werd.quote:
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Officeel gebeurd het niet, maar het zal wel gedoogd worden.
Maar die kaart geeft aan dat er ook in het noorden van Lugansk gepenetreerd wordt, daar heb ik niks over gehoord. En dat vanaf zee, is een Russisch schip?
"The north remembers, Lord Davos. The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done.”
twitter:NSDC_ua twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 13:26:55 This night 19 artillery shots were made from Manotskiy village in Russia onto UA border guard point in Yuhanivka http://t.co/YZEXiM95RV reageer retweet
This night 19 artillery shots were made from Manotskiy village in Russia onto UA border guard point in Yuhanivka 
twitter:NSDC_ua twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 13:05:18 10 tanks, 2 IFV and 2 Ural vehicles violated the state border of Ukraine in the morning near Shcherbakov and Novoazovsk. reageer retweet
twitter:NSDC_ua twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 13:09:47 Firing towards Novoazovsk is being conducted from the Russian territory reageer retweet
twitter:NSDC_ua twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 13:17:23 The hardest clashes took place near Olenivka, close to Donetsk. Army has destroyed 7 tanks, 7 armored vehicles, 1 Grad missile, 1 howitzer reageer retweet
twitter:NSDC_ua twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 13:44:59 State Security Service of Ukraine jointly with Aidar battalion has neutralized terrorists camp near Oleksandrivsk of Luhansk oblast reageer retweet
twitter:StateOfUkraine twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 13:46:20 There is battle in #Markino #Mariupol reg: UA battalions Dnepr-1&Donbas protect city from RU proxies and ~30 RU tanks http://t.co/8AGwJ5rtde reageer retweet
There is battle in [ Bericht 10% gewijzigd door deelnemer op 25-08-2014 14:51:54 ]
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Zijn daar ook bewijzen van aangezien er "bronnen" en "ooggetuigen" zijn?quote:
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Verschillende bronnen en ooggetuigen inmiddels.
Gerucht gaat dat Strelkov dit offensief leidt.
twitter:NSDC_ua twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 12:29:04 Current situation in the East of #Ukraine, August 25 (big size map: http://t.co/0w6djrmQex ) http://t.co/oz6PTqI34v reageer retweet
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Ukraine war crimes trials a step closer after Red Cross assessment
(Reuters) - The Red Cross has made a confidential legal assessment that Ukraine is officially in a war, Western diplomats and officials say, opening the door to possible war crimes prosecutions, including over the downing of Malaysia Airlines MH-17.
"Clearly it's an international conflict and therefore this is most probably a war crime," one Western diplomat in Geneva told Reuters.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is the guardian of the Geneva Conventions setting down the rules of war, and as such is considered a reference in the United Nations deciding when violence has evolved into an armed conflict.
"Within the U.N. system, it's the ICRC that makes that determination. They are the gate keepers of international humanitarian law," said one U.N. source.
The ICRC has not made any public statement - seeking not to offend either Ukraine or Russia by calling it a civil war or a case of foreign aggression - but it has done so privately and informed the parties to the conflict, sources told Reuters.
"The qualification has been shared bilaterally and confidentially," ICRC spokeswoman Anastasia Isyuk told Reuters on Friday. "We do not discuss it publicly."
The designation as a war - either international or civil - changes the game legally, because it turns both sides into combatants with equal liability for war crimes, which have no statute of limitations and cannot be absolved by an amnesty.
Suspects may also be arrested abroad, since some countries apply "universal jurisdiction" to war crimes.
Without the designation, Ukrainian government forces would be responsible for protecting civilians and infrastructure under international human rights law, while separatists would only be liable under Ukraine's criminal laws.
"It changes their accountability on the international stage," said Andrew Clapham, director of the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights. "This makes individuals more likely to be prosecuted for war crimes."
Dutch prosecutors have opened an investigation into the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH-17 on suspicion of murder, war crimes and intentionally downing an airliner, a spokesman said on Monday. [ID:nL6N0PW2VI]
Based on the Law on International Crimes, the Netherlands can prosecute any individual who committed a war crime against a Dutch citizen. The 298 people who were killed when the plane was downed over Ukraine included 193 Dutch citizens.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said in May that the country had collapsed into civil war, while Ukraine regards the conflict as a war involving Russian aggression.
(Reuters) - The Red Cross has made a confidential legal assessment that Ukraine is officially in a war, Western diplomats and officials say, opening the door to possible war crimes prosecutions, including over the downing of Malaysia Airlines MH-17.
"Clearly it's an international conflict and therefore this is most probably a war crime," one Western diplomat in Geneva told Reuters.
The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is the guardian of the Geneva Conventions setting down the rules of war, and as such is considered a reference in the United Nations deciding when violence has evolved into an armed conflict.
"Within the U.N. system, it's the ICRC that makes that determination. They are the gate keepers of international humanitarian law," said one U.N. source.
The ICRC has not made any public statement - seeking not to offend either Ukraine or Russia by calling it a civil war or a case of foreign aggression - but it has done so privately and informed the parties to the conflict, sources told Reuters.
"The qualification has been shared bilaterally and confidentially," ICRC spokeswoman Anastasia Isyuk told Reuters on Friday. "We do not discuss it publicly."
The designation as a war - either international or civil - changes the game legally, because it turns both sides into combatants with equal liability for war crimes, which have no statute of limitations and cannot be absolved by an amnesty.
Suspects may also be arrested abroad, since some countries apply "universal jurisdiction" to war crimes.
Without the designation, Ukrainian government forces would be responsible for protecting civilians and infrastructure under international human rights law, while separatists would only be liable under Ukraine's criminal laws.
"It changes their accountability on the international stage," said Andrew Clapham, director of the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights. "This makes individuals more likely to be prosecuted for war crimes."
Dutch prosecutors have opened an investigation into the crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH-17 on suspicion of murder, war crimes and intentionally downing an airliner, a spokesman said on Monday. [ID:nL6N0PW2VI]
Based on the Law on International Crimes, the Netherlands can prosecute any individual who committed a war crime against a Dutch citizen. The 298 people who were killed when the plane was downed over Ukraine included 193 Dutch citizens.
Russian President Vladimir Putin said in May that the country had collapsed into civil war, while Ukraine regards the conflict as a war involving Russian aggression.
The view from nowhere.
Mooi.
Maar veel zal het niet uithalen. Zo iemand als Strelkov gaat toch niet op vakantie naar Nederland, en Rusland gaat niemand uitleveren.
Dat is ook het hele probleem: Rusland, Poetin ziet het internationaal recht slechts als een schaakstuk in het spel ipv. als een morele verplichting ook ten opzichte van zichzelf.
Maar veel zal het niet uithalen. Zo iemand als Strelkov gaat toch niet op vakantie naar Nederland, en Rusland gaat niemand uitleveren.
Dat is ook het hele probleem: Rusland, Poetin ziet het internationaal recht slechts als een schaakstuk in het spel ipv. als een morele verplichting ook ten opzichte van zichzelf.
twitter:jason_corcoran twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 09:11:08 Aeroflot will restart its low cost airline in autumn under a new name and without those Crimea flights: Kommersant http://t.co/OmSna49cDc reageer retweet
Aeroflot will restart its low cost airline in autumn under a new name and without those Crimea flights: Kommersant
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Verwacht je nou een foto en handtekening van de desbetreffende terroristen en Oekraïners ?quote:Op maandag 25 augustus 2014 15:08 schreef Kloon7 het volgende:
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Zijn daar ook bewijzen van aangezien er "bronnen" en "ooggetuigen" zijn?
twitter:MarkAdomanis twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 16:53:08 People in #Ukraine would be well advised to ignore Carl Bildt's musings about a bailout. It ain't gonna happen http://t.co/I4zFFgrovo v reageer retweet
People in
Mooi, een uitstekend strijder en prima leidinggevende op het slagveld. Als hij hier goed uitkomt heeft Strelkov wel een enorme staat van dienst opgebouwd. Dit ondanks de overduidelijke PTSS die hij heeft. Laten we hopen dat hij daarna van een welverdiend pensioen mag genieten en niet strijdend ten over gaat zonder ooit rust te kennen.quote:
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Verschillende bronnen en ooggetuigen inmiddels.
Gerucht gaat dat Strelkov dit offensief leidt.
Juist wel, want het moet Oekraïne zo moeilijk mogelijk gemaakt worden,quote:
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Met andere woorden, de separatisten mogen met militair materieel vrijelijk bewegen door Rusland.
Dat lijkt me ook niet de bedoeling.
Forbes? Is dat het blad voor mensen die de samenleving reduceren tot een markt, het nieuws tot de koers van waardepapieren, en politiek tot het inzetten van het leger (als ze hun zin niet krijgen, dwz de koersen dalen)?quote:twitter:MarkAdomanis twitterde op maandag 25-08-2014 om 16:53:08 People in #Ukraine would be well advised to ignore Carl Bildt's musings about a bailout. It ain't gonna happen http://t.co/I4zFFgrovo v reageer retweet
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Het lijkt mij evident dat Europeanen niks zien in het ophoesten van geld om de Donbass regio weer op te bouwen, mocht dit ooit aan de orde komen.
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