Crisis in Oekraïne #117 And so it begins

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 21:17 schreef Smack10 het volgende:

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Het punt is dat de media bewust de boel ophitst terwijl ze de feiten waarvan ze anderen beschuldigen juist zelf doen.

Dat heet propaganda:

Propaganda is een bepaalde vorm van communicatie waarbij de publieke opinie beïnvloed wordt om aanhangers te winnen voor bepaalde opvattingen of standpunten. Propaganda kenmerkt zich vaak door het systematisch geven van eenzijdige informatie, die al dan niet (deels) onwaar is, waarbij selectief bepaalde feiten worden benadrukt en andere bewust achterwege worden gelaten. De initiatiefnemer is meestal niet-commercieel en komt grotendeels voort uit maatschappelijke, kerkelijke of politieke stelsels. In die zin is er een overlap met sociale marketing en marketing van non-profitorganisaties.

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 21:51 schreef Vasilevski het volgende:

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Gevalletje Tonkin?

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 21:51 schreef hmmmmmmm het volgende:

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Ik denk eerlijk gezegd dat ze graag oekraine erbij zouden hebben om militaire doeleinden niet alleen grondstoffen.

Vooral de positie van oekraine langs rusland kan van strategisch belang zijn.

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:05 schreef betyar het volgende:

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Iets met Sevastopol, het enige wat Rusland wilde hebben.

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:05 schreef betyar het volgende:

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Iets met Sevastopol, het enige wat Rusland wilde hebben.

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:14 schreef Romanus het volgende:
Ik ben het wel een beetje beu om steeds 'and so it begins..' 'nu is de shit aan' 'shit hits the fan' etc te horen. Dat is de afgelopen maanden al tig keer gezegd, kom maar terug als er echt oorlogen heen en weer worden verklaard

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:09 schreef hmmmmmmm het volgende:

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Klopt wat moeten we nou met dat klote land.

De hoeren zijn goedkoop maar voor de rest?

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:20 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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De oplossing is simpel:

1) Accepteer dat Rusland de Krim heeft geannexeerd en erken dit (ook al was het niet volgens het boekje)
2) Maak van Oekraïne een federalere staat

3) Zeg tegen Poetin dat zijn maten uit het oosten moeten opdonderen, en Oekraïine en andere Europese landen voortaan met rust laat.
4) Zeg tegen Kiev dat ze hun bek verder moeten houden en wat aan hun corruptie moeten doen, en ons moeten bedanken dat de EU het oosten van hun land heeft gered.

Problem solved.

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:22 schreef hmmmmmmm het volgende:

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Goede oplossing al moet het wel geen lid worden van de EU.

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:24 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Inderdaad, en dit is exact het plan dat Merkel en Poetin voor ogen hadden, maar wat wordt gedwarsboomd door o.a. Frankrijk en het VK.

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/(...)nexatie-krim-erkent/

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:27 schreef hmmmmmmm het volgende:

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http://www.elsevier.nl/Eu(...)-tot-de-EU-1471946W/

Al vind ik zo'n resolutie die aangenomen zou zijn niet echt fijn.

Hoop echt niet dat het bij de EU komt als we vrede daar krijgen.

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:32 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Dat was toen de situatie nog niet zo uitzichtloos leek als nu, al was het natuurlijk véél te voorbarig van de EU gezien de corruptie die altijd al wijdverspreid was in Oekraïne.

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Merkel to Putin: Halt flow of arms to Ukraine

_{AP News | Aug 15, 2014}

BERLIN (AP) — The German government says Chancellor Angela Merkel has pressed Russian President Vladimir Putin to end the flow of military goods and personnel into Ukraine ahead of a weekend meeting of foreign ministers aimed at easing tensions.

Merkel spokesman Steffen Seibert said in a statement that the two leaders spoke Friday evening ahead of a meeting between the Russian, Ukrainian, German and French foreign ministers planned for Sunday in Berlin.

He says Merkel urged Putin to contribute to de-escalating the situation "and in particular put an end to the flow of military goods, military advisors and armed personnel over the border into Ukraine." Merkel also voiced hope that convoys carrying humanitarian goods will soon reach their destination.

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:33 schreef hmmmmmmm het volgende:

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Ik weet het niet hoor volgens mij kunnen die mensen bij de EU het niet interesseren hoeveel het kost en wat het opleverd ze zullen wel meer $$ verdienen als er wat kutlanden bijkomen.

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:41 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Landen als Oekraïne en Turkije moet je er niet bij willen, die staan te ver van ons af en krijgen ook te veel in de melk te brokkelen omdat ze behoorlijk groter zijn dan de doorsnee EU-landen momenteel.

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USANFL twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 18:45:14 @anneapplebaum @BBC Russian convoy on left versus Ukrainian on right. http://t.co/NdJDJ27W8l reageer retweet

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Statement of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Connection with the Attempts to Derail the Delivery of Humanitarian Aid to Those Suffering from Hostilities in the Southeastern Region of Ukraine

The attempts to create new and greater obstacles in the way of the delivery of Russian humanitarian aid to the civilian population of Donbass cause deep concern. The implementation of this mission has entered its final stage. In discussions with the representatives of the Ukrainian authorities and the International Committee of the Red Cross (“ICRC”), we were able to reconcile practically all the key parameters of the transfer to the intended recipients of food, medicine and other essentials.

At the same time, there are forces that intend not simply to deprive the population of the Southeast of Ukraine of this assistance – which is of urgent, immediate necessity – but also to perpetrate open provocations likely to further complicate the situation in the conflict zone. Whereas, if earlier the humanitarian mission was obstructed through flimsy claims of organization and procedural difficulties, we are now receiving information about direct threats of the use of force against our convoy. Reports are coming in that a saboteur group of the «Aidar» punitive battalion is planning to mine certain sections of the roads in the Lugansk region with the intention of destroying the vehicles carrying the humanitarian cargo and the attending personnel; and then to accuse the Militia of these terrorist acts.

We also draw your attention to the sharp intensification of combat operations by the Ukrainian military, which pursues the obvious objective of cutting off the route – agreed-upon with Kiev – of the humanitarian column from the Russian-Ukrainian border to Lugansk.

One gets the impression that in Ukraine and beyond its borders there are still many who wish to derail the humanitarian mission, even at the cost of new victims and destruction. Those who harbor such criminal plans take upon themselves the enormous responsibility for their consequences. The Russian side is firmly committed to the speediest and most comprehensive performance of the agreements arrived at with the leadership of Ukraine and the ICRC with respect to the delivery of humanitarian aid to residents of Donbass. We are taking all the precautions we can to ensure the safety of this mission. We call on both sides to immediately announce a ceasefire for the duration of its implementation in accordance with the norms of international humanitarian law. We are counting on the active support of the efforts being undertaken by the ICRC, the OSCE and the UN.

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Red Cross: Distribution of humanitarian assistance in Luhansk region will begin in the nearest time

Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration of Ukraine Valeriy Chaly held a meeting with Head of Operations for Europe and Central Asia of the International Committee of the Red Cross Laurent Corbaz.

In the course of the meeting, V. Chaly noted that the Ukrainian party did everything to provide assistance to the citizens in the area of conflict and was grateful to the ICRC for active facilitation of the given mission.

L. Corbaz informed that at the moment, the Russian party hadn't provided detailed specification of cargo which caused delay in its registration. He also informed on the absence of the agreement regarding guarantees of security of the ICRC's work. The interlocutor emphasizes that the delivery of humanitarian aid to Luhansk must be preceded by appropriate preparatory work of the Red Cross mission in the city.

At the same time, L. Corbaz confirmed that the Red Cross had already received the first trucks of Ukrainian humanitarian assistance which were in Starobilsk already. He emphasized that the distribution of that aid in Luhansk region would begin in the nearest time.

In the course of the conversation, the Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration of Ukraine emphasized that the provision of humanitarian assistance, the organization of which had already involved numerous international partners of Ukraine, was not only a humanitarian mission, but also an important evidence of the readiness of Ukraine to create the atmosphere of trust jointly with the international organizations for the achievement of the goals set.

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Ukraine: Preparations under way for large-scale aid delivery
15-08-2014 News Release 14/143

Geneva (ICRC) – The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is deploying additional staff to Russia and Ukraine and scaling up logistics arrangements in readiness for the delivery of aid to conflict-hit eastern Ukraine.

The Ukrainian and Russian authorities have each separately dispatched a convoy carrying aid for eastern Ukraine, and have asked the ICRC to facilitate delivery. The two countries are still finalizing such practical details as inspection and clearance procedures for the Russian convoy and confirmation of the strictly humanitarian nature of the cargo.

"As and when agreement is reached, we plan to deliver this humanitarian aid to people affected by conflict in eastern Ukraine, health facilities and other welfare organizations,” said Laurent Corbaz, ICRC head of operations for Europe and Central Asia, speaking from Kiev. “People are struggling to cope with limited access to basic services such as water and electricity, so speed is of the essence.”

A five-person ICRC team is already present in the vicinity of the Russian convoy, which is currently parked in the Rostov region, and 15 more staff are on the way. Another ICRC team has deployed to Starobilsk, where a Ukrainian aid convoy of around 50 trucks arrived this morning.

“We still need assurances from all parties to the conflict that our staff will be allowed to perform their tasks safely and with due respect for our humanitarian principles. Given the complex logistics and security challenges involved, this aid operation will take some time and we call on the authorities of both countries to do all they can to resolve outstanding issues quickly,” added Mr Corbaz.

Since the onset of the crisis in Ukraine, the ICRC and the Ukrainian Red Cross have been distributing relief items and supermarket vouchers to displaced people in need. They have also provided medical supplies to health facilities in the Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv regions, mainly to improve treatment for the wounded. The ICRC is conducting humanitarian visits to places of detention run by the Ukrainian authorities on an ad hoc basis, and hopes to enter into a more formal agreement with the government. The ICRC is also seeking to visit people held by the armed opposition.

The ICRC continues to expand its humanitarian response to the situation in eastern Ukraine and has received financial support from Finland, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the United States, and the Red Cross Societies of Canada and Japan.

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 19:26 schreef betyar het volgende:

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Iets met mensen die straks misschien wel de vrachtwagen willen bespringen voor voedsel.......... Ooit zo'n konvooi in oorlogsgebied gezien en zien plunderen door wanhopige mensen?

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Op vrijdag 15 augustus 2014 22:46 schreef bedachtzaam het volgende:

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USANFL twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 18:45:14 @anneapplebaum @BBC Russian convoy on left versus Ukrainian on right. http://t.co/NdJDJ27W8l reageer retweet

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OlgaK2013 twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 22:56:52 #Ukrainian troops entered #Luhansk, heave street fighting is reported http://t.co/73OPDrpxDn#Russia #Separatists #Ukraine @Donbas #war reageer retweet

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Ukrainian troops entered the regional center. Currently there are fights in the streets. This was our correspondent reported a source in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. According to him, the situation is complicated by the fact that terrorists are shooting indiscriminately at residential areas. "In fact, the militants have turned the whole Lugansk in the fortified area. It is not just the militia. On the side of the LC fight professional soldiers "- told our correspondent.

According to witnesses in the area of aircraft on VVAUSH was seen a large number of militants.

Addendum: As of 22:10, the locals have reported fires in the area of ​​"Transpele" knitting factory and the lights in the direction of gristly. There are reports of contact shells in a hypermarket "Epicenter" (on the eastern neighborhoods).

At 23:10 users of social networks reported that the ring Dzerdzhinskogo seen tank.

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Sr_Gremlin twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 22:56:37 Source: #Ukraine's air force has been largely neutralized in the east by large # of Russian advanced anti-aircraft systems, including BUKs. reageer retweet

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Novorossiyan twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 23:05:20 VIDEO. 18+ #Ukraine - Lviv Airmobile Brigade is no more: http://t.co/ylhW7djfB8 They were sent to die, and their corpses were just left. reageer retweet

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BungeeWedgie twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 23:03:14 On a captured #Ukraine army base #NAF have found a missing truck humanitarion aid to people of #Donbass https://t.co/ilatpz2hAq reageer retweet

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DFATDCanada twitterde op vrijdag 15-08-2014 om 23:05:23 Advice & financial products will be delivered to 20,000 farmers (women & men) in #Ukraine @IFC_org http://t.co/CRKIdWbcha reageer retweet

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Canada supporting entrepreneurs in Ukraine

PS Brown announces new funding that will provide technical and financial help to small and medium-sized agricultural enterprises

August 15, 2014 – Saskatoon, Saskatchewan – Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada

Today, following a round table discussion with Kelly Block, Member of Parliament for Saskatoon-Rosetown-Biggar and Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Natural Resources, and Ukrainian diaspora communities on current development issues, Lois Brown, Parliamentary Secretary to the Honourable Christian Paradis, Minister of International Development and La Francophonie, announced Canada’s support to a project that will convey technical advice and financial products to small and medium-sized farm businesses in Ukraine, with the help of the private sector.

Canada is working in partnership with the International Finance Corporation to encourage sustainable economic development for all Ukrainians. Small and medium-sized agricultural entrepreneurs are an important source of economic growth, job creation, government revenue to finance essential public services, and the goods and services required to improve people's quality of life.

“Our project with the International Finance Corporation will help small and medium-sized enterprises in the agricultural sector become more competitive,” said PS Brown. “Canada remains committed to helping Ukraine with its economic growth, and to increasing economic opportunities for Ukrainians.”

Canada’s development programming in Ukraine aims to improve the business-enabling environment, restore confidence in financial institutions and increase the competitiveness of small- and medium-sized enterprises, including in the agricultural sector, by diversifying skills and increasing access to credit. Canada has also increased its support for democracy and rule of law in Ukraine since 2013.

“The relationship between Canada and Ukraine has deep roots,” said PS Block. “This project will strengthen these ties between our two countries.”

Recognizing that private enterprises have an important role to play in achieving lasting development impact, the Government of Canada is committed to strengthening its engagement with private sector actors as partners to help reduce global poverty.

Later during the day, PS Brown will host a round table with PS Block and local stakeholders to discuss Canada’s leadership role to date as well as what concrete actions we should take going forward to ensure continuous improvement to maternal, newborn and child health programming. This meeting is part of the consultations announced by Prime Minister Stephen Harper at the Saving Every Woman, Every Child: Within Arm’s Reach summit, which took place in Toronto on May 28–30, 2014.