Crisis in Oekra�ne #97 Strijd tussen leger en opstandelingen

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Tijdlijn van de ontwikkelingen in Oekra�ne
NOVEMBER
* Nov 21: Kiev suddenly announces suspension of trade and association talks with the EU and opts to revive economic ties with Moscow, triggering months of mass rallies in Kiev.
* Nov 30: Riot police try to break up the Kiev demonstration by force. Protest turns against Yanukovich and his government.

DECEMBER
Protests continue with crowds of up to 800,000. Some clashes with police. Opposition forms bloc called Maidan. Yanukovich and Putin meet, Putin agrees to buy $15 billion of Ukrainian debt and to slash by a third the price of Russian gas supplies to Ukraine.

JANUARY
* Jan 22: Three people die in protests in Kiev. EU threatens action over crisis. Talks between opposition, Yanukovich fail.
* Jan 23: Washington threatens sanctions over violence.
* Jan 26: Unrest spreads to pro-Yanukovich east.

FEBRUARY
Anti-government protests turn increasingly violent. At least 77 people killed in clashes between demonstrators and police.
* Feb 21: Opposition leaders sign EU-mediated peace pact with Yanukovich.
* Feb 22: Ukraine's parliament votes to remove Yanukovich, who flees. Arch-rival Yulia Tymoshenko released from jail.
* Feb 26: Ukraine appoints new government. Angry Russia puts 150,000 troops on high alert.
* Feb 27-28: Armed men seize Crimea parliament, raise Russian flag. Militia take control of two airports in Crimea.

MARCH
* March 1: Putin wins parliamentary approval to invade Ukraine, angering the White House. Russian forces fan out in Crimea.
* March 6: Crimea's leadership votes to join Russia. U.S. President Barack Obama orders sanctions on those responsible for Moscow's actions in Ukraine.
EU leaders hold emergency summit to find ways to pressure Russia to back down and accept mediation.
* March 15: Two killed in clashes between pro-Russian demonstrators and Ukrainian nationalists.
* March 16: Referendum held in Crimea, shows overwhelming support for joining the Russian Federation.
* March 21: Putin signs laws completing annexation of Crimea. The U.S. imposes sanctions on Putin's close allies, EU follows with similar measures.
* March 23: NATO says Russia has amassed a large force at Ukraine's border.
* March 24: Ukraine pulls troops from Crimea.

APRIL
* April 2: NATO suspends cooperation with Russia.
* April 7: Pro-Russia activists in eastern Ukraine proclaim the creation of the "Donetsk People's Republic".
* April 12: Separatists take control of city of Slaviansk in eastern Ukraine. Kiev prepares troops.
* April 13: One Ukrainian state security officer killed and five wounded in operation against separatists.
* April 14: Obama warns Putin in phone call that Moscow would face further costs for its actions in Ukraine.
* April 17: Pro-Russian separatists seize armored vehicles of Ukraine forces trying to recapture rebel-controlled town.
* April 18: The United States, Russia, Ukraine and the EU reach deal for illegal armed groups to disarm and end occupations of public buildings and spaces.
* April 19: Separatists say they will not sign deal until the Kiev government steps down.
* April 24: Ukraine sends in troops again to try to expel the separatists in Slaviansk, kill five rebels.
* April 25: Ukrainian forces mount full blockade of Slaviansk. Separatists detain group of international observers, say a Kiev "spy" among them.
* April 26: G7 leaders agree to impose extra sanctions on Russia over Ukraine. Yatsenyuk cuts short a Vatican trip to see Pope Francis, saying Russian warplanes violated Ukraine's airspace seven times overnight. Russia denies the claim.
* April 27: Rebels say the OSCE observers are "prisoners of war" and present them in front of the press, where they say they have not been mistreated.
* April 28: West imposes new sanctions on Moscow. Russia vows a "painful" response. Russia says troops have returned to barracks after conducting exercises on the border with Ukraine. The West says there is no sign of this pull-back. Russia assures the US it will not invade Ukraine.
* April 29: Russia accuses Washington of seeking to revive Iron Curtain policies. Putin warns sanctions could harm Western interests in Russia's lucrative energy sector, denies there are Russian forces in eastern Ukraine.
* April 30: Kiev says its armed forces are on "full combat alert" against a possible Russian invasion. Interim president Oleksandr Turchynov admits Kiev is "helpless" to prevent rebels over-running towns. Rebels storm the regional police building and town hall in Gorlivka. The International Monetary Fund approves $17-billion aid deal for the beleaguered Ukrainian economy.

MAY
* May 1: Some 300 pro-Russian militants seize prosecutor's office in Donetsk amid violent clashes with police. Conscription reintroduced for all Ukrainian men aged 18-25.
* May 2: Ukrainian commandos launch pre-dawn raid to retake Slavyansk. Rebels shoot down two helicopters and two servicemen are killed.
* May 3: Slavyansk rebels free OSCE inspectors after Kremlin envoy intervenes. Two days of mourning proclaimed over Odessa deaths. Fierce firefights around Slavyansk and nearby towns as military seeks to retake control.
* May 4: Kiev vows to expand "anti-terrorism" operations. Yatsenyuk launches probe into security forces in Odessa over the deaths.
May 5: A fresh assault begins on Slovyansk. The interior minister says more than 30 rebels are killed. Four servicemen are also killed. Russia warns Europe's peace is at risk. UN chief Ban Ki-moon offers to mediate personally as the West launches new diplomatic push.
May 6: Russia rejects a German-led move for a new peace meeting. Germany says Ukraine is on the verge of war.
May 7: In a surprise announcement, Putin calls for rebel independence referendums to be pushed back and endorses Ukraine's planned presidential election. He says Russian troops pulled back from border. The new overall toll from Ukrainian military operations stands at 14 servicemen dead.
May 8: Rebels vow to press on with referendums despite Putin's call. Russia conducts military exercises, test-fires several missiles, and says nuclear capabilities are on "constant combat alert." NATO says there is no sign of a Russian troop pull-back.
May 9: Putin flies to annexed Crimea after overseeing a display of military might in the Red Square where he paid tribute to Russia's "all-conquering patriotic force." Clashes break out in Mariupol that the interior minister says leave 21 dead.
May 10: France and Germany threaten to step up sanctions against Russia if the May 25 election is disrupted and urge Kiev to cease "offensive" operations before the vote.
May 11: "Referendums" are held in the provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk. Fighting is reported around Slovyansk as rebels try to retake TV tower.
May 12: Pro-Russia activists declare resounding victory in a twin referendum on sovereignty for eastern Ukraine. The provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk voted on Sunday to secede from Ukraine. Russian gas giant Gazprom gives Ukraine until June 3 to pay $1.6bn for natural gas. The EU ramps up sanctions on Moscow.
May 13: Seven Ukrainian soldiers killed in rebel ambush in the deadliest single loss of life for the military since the start of the uprising.
May 14: Ukraine hosts "national unity" talks based on an OSCE roadmap but rebels are not invited.

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Ukraine forces resume massive shelling in Slavyansk region

Ukraine’s National Guard has resumed massive shelling of a settlement near the eastern Ukrainian city of Slavyansk on Saturday. "Bombing alarm sirens are switched on in the city," a self-defense representative told Itar-Tass. Meanwhile, automatic rifle fire can be heard in Semyonovka and the Krasny Liman settlement on a highway to the eastern city of Kharkov, the representative added.

The shelling of Semyonovka from Mount Karachun resumed again on Friday evening. "An intensive fire from mortars and howitzers" lasted several hours, the people’s self-defense representative said. However, reports of casualties and destroyed buildings in this settlement are not yet available, because no one was permitted to enter the area under continuing gunfire.

Kiev to try to complete special operation in eastern Ukraine before Poroshenko's inauguration - DPR

The city center also came under gunfire overnight to Saturday. A fodder-producing plant has been shelled, Stella Khorosheva, said spokesperson for Slavyansk People’s Mayor Vyacheslav Ponomarev.

For his part, the self-defense activist noted that two residential houses had been partially destroyed in Revolution and Lenin Streets near the Ukrainian Security Service's local department building. "Several people were wounded by pieces of broken glass," he added.

However, self-defense in the city of Kramatorsk, ten kilometers from the city of Slavyansk in east Ukraine’s Donetsk Region, denied several media reports that battles were underway in the city. "Sporadic gunshots were heard but, in general, all is calm in the city," the self-defense activist said.

Reports of intensive clashes around Donetsk international airport remain unconfirmed. "As far as we know there are no active combat actions in this district now," the self-defense activist said.

Intense clashes break out on Slavyansk outskirts, casualties reported

Intensive fighting broke out in several areas on the outskirts of Slavyansk where Ukrainian military is using attack helicopters, the city self-defense headquarters’ representative told RIA Novosti. He added that at least two civilians had been killed. "About 7-10 helicopters are circling over the battleground. From time to time they fire decoy flares and strafe militant positions with machine-gun fire," the headquarters representative said.

Shooting resumed at the intersection of the Kharkov-Rostov route and the road to Red Liman where the militants periodically attacked Ukrainian military checkpoint in the afternoon. Gunfire was also reported at the military airbase near Kramatorsk. Clashes take place near Chervony Molochar village and Andreevsky checkpoint.

Earlier this afternoon the Ukrainian military resumed shelling a residential district with mortars. Self-defense headquarters report that two civilians, among them a 40-year old woman, were killed as a result.

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Chrystia Freeland: Mood in Ukraine determined, optimistic

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I was also in the Donbass region, where the fighting is going on now. And I was astonished by the extent to which state authority had just melted away.

There wasn’t a lot of fighting while I was there, but it’s a very contested area, and it’s not clear what is going to happen there. It’s not clear if the government is going to be able to restore Ukrainian political order, partly because I think the Ukrainian government will hold back from doing anything that would lead to high civilian casualties – the morality of their new state is very important to them.

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What was the mood like there?

On the border, in all of Ukraine right up to the border of the contested area, the mood was determined and really optimistic – I was surprised by both. The people felt, I think correctly, that war with Russia was still a real possibility, and they were prepared to fight. And I was surprised at the extent of that feeling – regular friends of mine for 20 years would have a gun in their office. So what surprised me was how that mood was so widespread, all the way up to the Donetsk Oblast border.

In the Donbass, where I also was, it was a totally different mood – a mood of real fear and uncertainty. It’s really scary to be in a country where the government has melted away. It’s terrifying actually. And that was the situation. And what that means is that just a few guys with guns can make you do anything. So say you call the cops – people say the police would show up and not do anything.

So, very scared, and very uncertain. I wouldn’t say there is a lot of support for the separatists at all, and support for them is declining as time goes on, particularly as the prospect of this somehow being connected with Russia recedes. And what many are really thinking is “oh my god – these ragtag irregular military guys, is this who we want?”

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So are you more or less optimistic about Ukraine’s future after visiting there?

More optimistic. I’m less optimistic about the Donbass and the ongoing security danger. But for 90 percent of Ukraine, I’m much more optimistic. People were much more united, very broadly throughout the society there was a real understanding of being at a turning point and a commitment to get it right. It was really moving.

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Activists protest outside the French embassy in Kiev

Activists on Sunday protested outside the French embassy in Kiev, calling on France to cancel a $1.6 bn deal to sell Mistral helicopter carrier ships to Russia.



France insists that cancelling the contract would incur financial penalties and do more damage to Paris than Moscow.

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In Ukraine these days, even candy is political.



Mothers kicked the boxes, stomped the candy with their feet and screamed at the militants once they found out that the sweets were made by Roshen, the company owned by the Ukrainian tycoon Petro Poroshenko, whom rebel supporters blame for the violence that has engulfed the country's southeast.

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More Foreign Fighters Break Cover Among Ukraine Separatists

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"The split of the country is final. There is nothing uniting us with them (the Kiev leadership) now," Alexander Khodakovsky, a defector from the Ukrainian state security service who now commands Battalion Vostok, told Reuters.

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Foreign fighters at the Battalion Vostok base in the north-eastern part of Donetsk, a city of 1 million people, gave various reasons for joining the separatists defending the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic".

"My personal motivation is the religion, protecting Orthodox Christianity from the West," said Oleg, nicknamed Mamay, from North Ossetia, a Russian region on the northern rim of the Caucasus mountains.

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Oleg - stout, black-haired and bearded, carrying a flak jacket and a short machine gun on his arm - said there were 15 Ossetians, including himself, fighting in the ranks of Battalion Vostok around the Donetsk airport on May 26-27.

He and other Vostok fighters said their casualties included one native of Chechnya, a region of Russia where Moscow fought two separatist wars and which is now run by a Kremlin appointee Ramzan Kadyrov, who runs his own militia, or "Kadyrovtsy".

"There are no Chechens now. There were. They left yesterday (on Thursday) with their injured and killed. There was only one casualty among the Chechens," Khodakovsky said. "They were volunteers, not Kadyrovtsy."

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Battalion Vostok fighters also said their comrades included a few from the states of former Soviet Central Asia.

Khodakovsky said he had some 1,000 men in his unit now and that some more "volunteers" were coming, with experience of state security structures or the army.

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Until mid-March, Khodakovsky used to head the elite special unit "Alfa" in his native Donetsk region, a senior and prestigious role in the state security service.

He says his shift was gradual, from rejection of the interim authorities brought to power in Kiev by street protests that in February ousted the former president, Moscow ally Viktor Yanukovich, to an all-out rejection of being part of Ukraine.

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Khodakovsky, who is also responsible for state security in the separatist republic's "government", sides with another armed unit called Oplot and the separatist's "prime minister" Alexander Boroday, who publicly admits to being a Muscovite.

"Some Moscow politicians finance their own people in our government; that is an inevitable necessity," he said, without giving details.

He dismissed Pushilin, leader of the "Donetsk People's Republic", as just a figurehead and admitted he had no illusions as to Moscow's immediate goals in Ukraine's east.

"I think Russia uses us to pursue its geo-political interests, have a buffer between itself and the West. We do not deceive ourselves about that. But even knowing this, we stick to Russia because it is our culture," he said.

The rebels have now taken positions deeper into Donetsk, an industrial hub, setting up barricades and posts in residential areas in the hope that Ukraine's army would not fight in a densely populated area and endanger the urban infrastructure.

"We have no other option," Khodakovsky said. "They should understand the consequences of fighting within a city if Poroshenko wants to go down in history as 'The Bloody One'."

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Slavyansk families find shelter in Ukraine monastery

Elena and her four-year-old son arrived at the monastery doors clutching two travel bags and a teddy bear, as they sought shelter from the violence engulfing their hometown of Slavyansk.

More than a month into Kiev's "counter-terrorism" operation against insurgents in eastern Ukraine, the town of 110,000 people has become the epicentre of the conflict.

"The children screamed and cried the moment the shelling begins," said the 35-year-old Elena, recounting the weeks of sporadic clashes between rebels and the Ukrainian government troops encircling the town.

"We had to spend nights in the basement. How long can anyone live like that?"

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Ukraine: Elections without the East

Elections without Donbas

The electoral map of Ukraine would have looked a bit different if the majority of citizens in Donetsk and Luhansk and nearly all in Crimea had not been prevented from voting. The self-proclaimed authorities of the Donetsk and Luhansk "people's republics" which held separatist "referendums" already on May 11 did everything to disrupt the elections. According to the OSCE observer mission, "forced evictions and closures of District Election Commissions by armed groups, abductions, death threats, forced entry into private homes and the seizure of equipment and election materials were attempts to prevent the election and to deny citizens their right to vote".

The other reason for the very low turnout was the resignation of the local population and the mistrust towards Kiev. According to an opinion poll conducted on the day of the elections in Donetsk and Luhansk regions, 67 percent of the respondents said that they had no intention to vote; of them, 30.5 percent knew that voting was not possible in their area; 26,6 percent saw no suitable candidate; 6.8 percent referred to the lack of security; 12.4 percent doubted the fairness of the elections; and 7.7 percent did not consider their region a part of Ukraine. In fact, those few who dared to go to the ballot boxes were motivated pro-Ukrainian citizens and voted rather in accordance to the rest of the country.

The de facto absence of the Donbas vote in the presidential elections is difficult to overestimate. The political machine of the Party of Regions was created in the late 1990s, when then president Leonid Kuchma made a deal with the Donbas oligarchs which provided him and his "party of power" with electoral support. The use of "administrative resources", massive election fraud, black PR and destructive identity games pitting the East against the West of the country were the Party of Regions' favourite instruments of power which degraded the Ukrainian political system.

Donetsk and Luhansk were the motor of Yanukovich's election campaign in 2004, which resulted in the Orange Revolution; the same two regions secured his victory in 2010 and brought Ukraine's most unfortunate president to power. After the escape of Yanukovich, the Party of Regions failed to reinvent itself and had to face the early elections without a strong leader. Its powerful sponsors, such as the richest man in Ukraine, Rinat Akhmetov, tolerated and even supported separatism in the East. Ironically, it was the Party of Regions which, due to separatist unrest, lost most votes in their own domain.

The very fact that current elections were relatively free and fair and took place without much black PR and fraud is ascribed by some observers to the non-participation of the Donbas elites and the marginalisation of the Party of Regions. Even if this is true the problem of political representation and re-integration of the Donbas in the Ukrainian nation remains. A solution is problematic in a situation of civil conflict, with growing casualties on both sides. And yet, if the early parliamentary elections are scheduled for this autumn, the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, like the rest of the country, should have a real political choice and an opportunity to vote.

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Op maandag 2 juni 2014 09:12 schreef JeMoeder het volgende:
Deze video is me trouwens niet in de koude kleren gaan zitten:

Ukraine: Death Road to Donetsk Airport

Ben hem nog niet tegen gekomen hier, wellicht heb ik iets gemist...

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Op maandag 2 juni 2014 09:02 schreef arjan1112 het volgende:
Waarom stuurt Poetin niet gewoon een leger naar Kiev en verklaard ie op tv dat Oekraine vanaf nu een onderdeel van het grote Russische rijk onder leiding van KGB Tsaar Vladimir Vladimirovitz Poetin is

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Op maandag 2 juni 2014 09:04 schreef arjan1112 het volgende:
Zbgiew Berzinski beweerde op CNN ( maanden geleden ) dat de VS een leger van 30.000 man aan de pools/ oekraiense grens moet neerzetten.

is dat leger er al, of slaapt Obama nog steeds ?

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Russia gives Ukraine more time to pay gas bill

Russia' Gazprom has given Ukraine more time to settle its gas bill after receiving a part payment of $786m (�469m).

The company had previously threatened to halt shipments of gas unless Ukraine paid its bill in full and agreed in future to pay in advance.

Gazprom says Ukraine still owes it almost $2.5bn.

Negotiations between the two sides will resume now that a part payment has been made.

Ukraine announced on Friday that it had made a payment, but has refused to settle the full amount in protest against Gazprom's recent 80% price increase.

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Russias Gazprom ready to reduce gas price for Ukraine not only through lower export duty

MOSCOW, June 02. /ITAR-TASS/. Russian energy giant Gazprom is prepared to reduce the gas price for Ukraines Naftogaz not only through a lower export customs duty, Gazprom CEO Aleksey Miller told reporters on Monday.

If Ukrainian gas debt is settled Russia will be prepared to consider a scheme of resolving the price issue not only through a lower export customs duty, but also in direct commercial talks on a corporative basis, he said.

Gazprom also will not sue Ukraines Naftogaz at the Stockholm international arbitration court before June 9, Aleksey Miller said.

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Op maandag 2 juni 2014 09:02 schreef theNull het volgende:

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 02-06-2014 om 08:01:15 #BREAKING - #Luhansk HQ border control under attack by +200 armed terrorists vs. 70+ UKR http://t.co/EUjP1PMGWK EMPR http://t.co/8KPi6FhP4U reageer retweet

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02.06.2014 Люди в камуфляже возле погранзаставы. Луганск

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Pro-Russia militia attack Ukraine border post, dead and wounded reported

(Reuters) - A fierce battle was underway on Monday in Ukraine's rebellious east after a pro-Russian militia attacked a Ukrainian border post with automatic weapons and grenade launchers in the early hours.

Security sources said a force of separatists had occupied the upper floors of a nearby apartment block and were shooting into the border post on the southern edge of Luhansk, a city very close to the frontier with Russia.

"Shooting is continuing. There has been no let-up in firing for seven hours now," border post spokesman Oleh Slobodin said.

"We have 8 or 9 wounded. The attackers have five dead and 8 wounded," he said.

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At night terrorists fire at roadblock of ATO near Slaviansk

SLAVYANSK, June 01, /UNIAN/. Terrorists tried to break through encirclement in the region of Slaviansk, having attacked one of the roadblocks of the Ukrainian soldiers.

In the night of June 2 fighters fired at a roadblock of the Ukrainian soldiers near Slaviansk in the Donetsk Oblast.

Head of the group on informing about antiterrorist operation Vladyslav Seleznev wrote this in his Facebook page.

It was also reported today about attack of 500 fighters on border unite near Luhansk.

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Five civilians wounded in artillery shelling on Slavyansk by Ukrainian troops

SLAVYANSK, June 01, /ITAR-TASS/. Five civilians were wounded as the Ukrainian military opened artillery fire at town of Slavyansk in Ukraines southeastern Donetsk regions, a representative of Slavyansks voluntary corps told Itar-Tass on Sunday.

According to the representative, fire was opened at the enterprises Stroimash and Slavtyazhmash. Apart from that, the town is having problems with mobile communications. There are problems with the internet in some of the towns districts.

On Saturday, according to the voluntary corps representative, patients were evacuated from Slavyansks central clinic.

They were taken to a district hospital in Nikolayevka some 18 kilometress off Slavyansk, he said. But some of the clinics personnel remained in Slavyansk, since wounded people are taken here every day.

On Saturday, the town and its suburb Semyonovka came under fire.

Что происходит в Славянске на самом деле ? / What happens Slovyansk really?

Women & Children Forced to Walk

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Multiple fatalities feared after Kiev fighter jet attacks admin HQ in Ukraine's Lugansk

Multiple casualties are being reported in the administration building of the city of Lugansk, eastern Ukraine, after a fighter jet attack. The assault was followed by heavy gunfire on the ground, causing panic among civilians.

At least five people have been killed in the attack, according to RIA Novosti. Many wounded are still trapped inside the administration headquarters, which caught on fire. The death toll may rise.

LifeNews channel reports one fatality and "many" people sustaining injuries.

The building fa�ade has been seriously damaged. The wounded are being evacuated from the administration HQ. About six ambulance vehicles have arrived at the site, while the building is reportedly on fire.

Штурмовик нанес удар по Луганской ОДА/Lugansk

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A firefight continues in the city of Lugansk where militia from the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Lugansk are trying to storm the headquarters of the State Border Service of Ukraine.

The installation was sealed off soon after midnight by armed militia, demanding the servicemen lay down their arms and leave the military base. After four hours of negotiations, the militia launched an assault using assault rifles and grenade launchers.

Several attempts to enter the installation have ended in vain. The Kiev authorities are unable to send any forces to rescue the unit so they dispatched a Sukhoi fighter jet, which made several passes over the city but could not launch a missile attack because the pilot failed to identify the targets, the Ukrainian State Border Service's press department reported.

Lugansk. Army LPR Storms UKR Border Post. 02.06.2014

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Op maandag 2 juni 2014 14:51 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Multiple casualties are being reported in the administration building of the city of Lugansk, eastern Ukraine, after a fighter jet attack.

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op maandag 02-06-2014 om 15:00:29 Terrorists in #Lugansk fired from a manpad at Ukr military aircraft, missile got in the administration building @LUGANSK_TODAY |EMPR reageer retweet

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lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 02-06-2014 om 15:01:51 This is the dent left after air assault. Doesn't look like aircraft cannon or rocket. More like duped IGLA-1.#Luhansk http://t.co/wQBDwn2XuS reageer retweet

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lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 02-06-2014 om 15:07:53 #Luhansk eyewitness claims duped by AA reflectors IGLA-1 rocket took conditioner on city hall building as next target http://t.co/3ZEgDp5Mn6 reageer retweet

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lennutrajektoor twitterde op maandag 02-06-2014 om 15:41:24 Here is #Luhansk city hall before & after IGLA-1 took air conditioner as next target.#Ukraine #ATO #SaveLuganskPeople http://t.co/jwSzLoyAJZ reageer retweet

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codycoyote37 twitterde op maandag 02-06-2014 om 15:51:41 #Lugansk #Luhansk Informed, educated, thinkers don't buy RusMedia's spin. Air-to-surface missile would have caused much more damage. reageer retweet

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MrKovalenko twitterde op maandag 02-06-2014 om 16:11:29 #ATO press officer: #Luhansk govt bldng exploded from inside, allegedly terrorists can't keep their explosives safe. http://t.co/4OHWmN5rRr reageer retweet

Луганск - Самолёт наносит ракетный удар по центру города 02.06.2014

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Op maandag 2 juni 2014 14:51 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Multiple casualties are being reported in the administration building of the city of Lugansk, eastern Ukraine, after a fighter jet attack.

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Al Jazeera Ukraine liveblog

Vladyslav Seleznyov, a spokesman for Ukraine's operation against the pro-Russian rebels, denied there had been any air strike against the regional administration building in Luhansk, but acknowledged air strikes against two separatist checkpoints in Luhansk region.

Seleznyov told Ukrainska Pravda online newspaper:

"We destroyed two checkpoints in Luhansk region. When the plane was turning back, they (the separatists) tried to shoot it down. A heat-seeking device was launched but it turned out that it fell on the fighters themselves and destroyed part of the wall of the administration building."

Deadly attack on Lugansk admin building, Kiev denies air strikes

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Al Jazeera Ukraine liveblog

Russia and Ukraine on Monday made substantial progress toward reaching an agreement on a lower price for gas deliveries and the payment of outstanding debt by Kiev, in a bid to avert a disruption of gas supplies that could also affect western Europe, a top EU official said.

The chief executives of the two sides' state gas companies agreed on a proposal that would see a lower gas price for Ukraine complete with a debt repayment schedule, said the European Union's Energy Commissioner, Guenther Oettinger, who hosted the negotiations in Brussels.

Russia's Gazprom and Ukraine's Naftogaz will now take the proposal to their experts and shareholders for approval, notably the respective governments, which is the prerequisite for another round of talks to seal the deal in the coming days, he said.

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Op dinsdag 3 juni 2014 00:22 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:
NOS besteed er aardig aandacht aan, overige site's laten het wat afweten idd, terwijl het om de grootste pro-Russische aanval tot nu toe gaat.

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Op dinsdag 3 juni 2014 00:49 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Is dat niet veroorzaakt een afgeslingerde shell als reactie op de aanval? Het is bekend dat het Oekra�nse leger gradraketten en artillerie inzet.

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Video May Show Ukrainian Jet Conducting Airstrike in Lugansk

Луганск обстрел истребителем обладминистрации

The smoking gun? This video reportedly shows a Ukrainian jet firing rockets today in Lugansk. What is compelling, however, is that the trajectory of the plane matches very closely the video of the attack we posted earlier. Near the State Administrative building, to the east where the attack struck earlier today, is a communications tower (map) which places this plane at the scene of today's attack. Here is a screenshot from the video, which shows the communications tower, and a geotagged photo taken east of today's attack:

This is compelling evidence that an airstrike, in fact a rocket strike, was conducted against the State Administrative Building, a building which has been occupied for months by Russian-backed separatists. This also matches the theory that while Ukrainian forces were defending against a separatist attack at the southwest corner of Lugansk, at least one aircraft made an attack run against the separatist headquarters a few kilometers away.

The video below is very graphic, as noted in the tweet, but some important pieces of data can be taken from the video.

First, the damage is very widespread. No RPG or similar weapon could cause this level of damage.

Second, the epicenter of the damage in the video is the 4th floor window of the state administrative building. In the video, a firetruck is putting out the fire through one of the windows. The damage in the window is consistent with an explosion that started on the outside of the building.

Also important, however, is the point that the significant damage down below could not have all come from the explosion on the fourth floor of the building. In one video we've posted below, however, we see one of the cars explode, a car which is parked across the street from the admin building. The building could not have suffered the kind of damage, on the fourth floor, as a result of the explosion on the street. Again, this supports the hypothesis that there were multiple explosions, perhaps a combination of a rocket/missile and autocannon attack from a low-flying Ukrainian aircraft.

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Ukraine Relied on Air Power To Defeat Separatists in Lugansk

While the evidence seems nearly airtight that a Ukrainian jet conducted an airstrike against the Regional Administration Building in Lugansk, it's important to not forget that the airstrike was part of a Ukrainian counteroffensive after separatists launched a significant attack earlier.

Kyiv Post has a blow-by-blow description of what happened in southwest Lugansk:

http://mashable.com/2014/06/02/ukraine-russia-border-gunfight/

LIVE FIRE: Raw video of pro-autonomy militia in Lugansk border base battle

Weapons seen in this video:

- RPG-7

- AK-74s, several variants include the M (military variant) and possibly the S, at least one of which is equipped with a GP-34 grenade launcher and scope.

What seems clear is that Ukraine, continuing a trend which began last Monday in Donetsk, is beginning to rely more on its airforce to deal defeats to the Russian-backed separatists--separatists who are increasingly well armed.

The danger, of course, is obvious. If the separatists are so well equipped that Ukrainian officials believe that airstrikes are the best way to deal with them, the risk of civilian casualties could mount in places like Lugansk, Donetsk, and Slavyansk.

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Op dinsdag 3 juni 2014 10:48 schreef IkStampOpTacos het volgende:
Staan ook een aantal aftermath filmpjes op liveleak met allemaal dode mensen. Meesten gewone burgers als ik het goed zie. Zie zo niet of ze hier al gepost zijn, maar dezen bedoel ik:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cba_1401732635

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=856_1401717090

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Op maandag 2 juni 2014 11:14 schreef speknek het volgende:
Ze moeten die voorraadlijn met Rusland natuurlijk open houden.

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Ukraine-Russia border gunfight

Seleznyov said the surprise insurgent assault, which lasted for more than eight hours, was an attempt to further destabilize the country's border with Russia in order for rebel reinforcements and supplies needed to fuel the ongoing fight for eastern Ukraine to pass through more easily.

Ukraine’s eastern border with Russia is notoriously porous. Historically, it’s been a haven for smugglers. In recent weeks, several Russian insurgents have snuck through with little or no problems. Members of the pro-Russia Vostok Battalion told Mashable in Donetsk last week that they were able to cross from Russia into Ukraine by simply telling border guards that they were tourists.

An alternative account of the gunfight was given by insurgent leaders in Luhansk to Russian state media. The press service of the self-proclaimed Luhansk Peoples Republic told Itar-Tass news agency that its fighters were battling with the ultranationalist militant group Right Sector as well as the National Guard, which includes many protesters from last winters Euromaidan revolution in Kiev that overthrew the President Viktor Yanukovych and his government.

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Russia Is Accusing Activists in Crimea of Terrorism

Russia’s federal security service, the FSB, is cracking down on Ukrainian activists in Crimea. Late last week, it announced the arrest of four people in its newest jurisdiction for allegedly planning to blow up various targets, including a Lenin statue.

VICE News interviewed one of the suspects, an activist named Gennady Afanasiev, shortly after the March referendum that Russia used to justify its annexation of the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine.

We had been in touch with Afanasiev in the regional capital of Simferopol to find out where and when pro-Ukraine protests were going to be held. Even as Russian troops tightened their grip on the Ukrainian province, he was one of a few organizers of the rallies who wasn’t afraid to continue his activism.

But because things had gotten so dangerous for supporters of Ukraine by the time we interviewed Afanasiev on camera, he had taken to wearing clothes in the colors of the Russian flag. He told us that he had stopped meeting with fellow activists as a precaution.

“We don’t meet up anymore,” Afanasiev said. “Someone could rat us out, we could get attacked, they could say we’re extremists or terrorists.

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Among the other activists arrested with Afanasiev was Oleh Sentsov, an award-winning film director who supported the protests that toppled Ukraine’s former president Viktor Yanukovych and opposed Crimea’s annexation to Russia.

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“The suspects have confessed to being part of Right Sector and to organizing terrorist acts on the territory of Crimea with the aim of destabilizing the social and political situation on the peninsula,” the Russian security service claimed in its statement. Right Sector, the Ukrainian nationalist group, has denied that the four were members.

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Op dinsdag 3 juni 2014 08:13 schreef firefly3 het volgende:

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Hoi Meth. Waarom post je niet meer onder je eigen username?

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Inauguration of Ukraine's Poroshenko set for June 7

(Reuters) - Ukraine's Petro Poroshenko, who won an overwhelming victory in an election on May 25, will take the oath as president on Saturday, parliament ruled on Tuesday.

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NATO to consider longer-term response to Ukraine crisis

(Reuters) - NATO defense ministers will consider on Tuesday what longer term steps the alliance needs to take to bolster its eastern defenses and improve its ability to respond to the unorthodox tactics used by Russia in Ukraine.

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U.S. reviews military presence in Europe after Russian moves in Ukraine

(Reuters) - The United States is reviewing its military presence in Europe as a result of Russia's intervention in Ukraine, the White House said on Tuesday at the start of a four-day European trip by President Barack Obama.

Obama will call on Congress to support a "European Reassurance Initiative" of up to $1 billion to increase U.S. military rotations on the continent, it said.

The effort would involve increased participation by the U.S. Navy in NATO naval force deployments, including "more persistent deployments" to the Black and Baltic seas, it said.

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Fighting rages between army and separatists in eastern Ukraine town

(Reuters) - Fighting raged in eastern Ukraine for the second straight day on Tuesday as the army rolled out an offensive against pro-Russia separatists holding the city of Slaviansk and claimed to have inflicted losses on the rebels.

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"At the present time the active phase of the "anti-terrorist operation" is going on near Slaviansk. The (separatist) fighters are being blocked. If they refuse to lay down their arms they will be destroyed," said Vladyslav Seleznyov, a spokesman for the military operation.

"Our job is to establish peace in the region and this we will do," he said.

He could not confirm reports of wounded on the Ukrainian side around Slaviansk, but he said there were preliminary reports of dead and wounded among the separatist fighters.

"Information that Ukrainian planes and helicopters have been shot down are not true. Yesterday one of the helicopters received holes from small arms fire," he said.

Defence analyst Dmytro Tymchuk, who is recognised as having good military sources, said separately that one person had been killed on the Ukrainian side and 13 others wounded when a Ukrainian military column was attacked on its way to Slaviansk from its base in Izyum, to the north-west.

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Op dinsdag 3 juni 2014 12:54 schreef waht het volgende:

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Oftewel even de boel schoonvegen.

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Ukrainian military resumes shelling of Sloviansk

SLOVIANSK, June 03. /ITAR-TASS/. Ukrainian troops resumed massive shelling of the town of Sloviansk, Donetsk region, early on Tuesday, and warplanes have appeared over the town, a representative for the people's militia told ITAR-TASS.

"The Ukrainian military concentrated fire on the village of Semyonovka, where residents have had no electricity since a power cable was severed on Monday," the representative said. "Automatic fire is heard in different parts of the town. There's a fierce battle going in the north-east Sloviansk."

Heavy fighting throughout last night was reported in the town of Kramatosk located 10km from Sloviansk. Explosions and artillery fire were heard at the local airfield. Latest reports said three militiamen had been killed when their car was blasted by Ukraine's military near the village of Yasnogorsk, Kramatorsk area.

В Краматорске идет ожесточенный бой,слышны взрывы возле аэродрома.03/06. Славянск,Луганск,Донецк

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Fighting near the village of Semyonovka

SLOVIANSK, June 03. /ITAR-TASS/. Kiev-controlled troops are exchanging fire with militia units near the village of Semyonovka off Sloviansk in the Donetsk Region. Militia fighters have punctured several armored personnel carriers, parliament-appointed Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said on Tuesday.

According to Avakov, "militia's roadblocks and engineer works have been destroyed in the Semyonovka area. We're moving on. We request the civilians of Sloviansk, Kramatorsk and Krasny Liman to remain in their houses to avoid risks to life."

A militia representative told ITAR-TASS earlier on Tuesday that warplanes had appeared over Sloviansk. "The Ukrainian military concentrated fire on the village of Semyonovka, where residents have had no electricity since a power cable was severed on Monday. Automatic fire is heard in different parts of the town. There's a fierce battle going in northeast Sloviansk."