Getouwtrek om toekomst van Roma-meisje Maria

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Op donderdag 24 oktober 2013 21:58 schreef Letsstaytogether het volgende:
Waarom is een blond kind nou een goudmijn en alles? Iedereen zegt het hie rmaar als er im opheldering wordt gevraagd komt d'r geen onderbouwing.

Zigeuners zijn natuurlijk ook te stom om het haar van hun kinderen blond te verven. Blondjes moeten gestolen worden

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Op donderdag 24 oktober 2013 22:52 schreef Dven het volgende:

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Aldus de Nederlandse. Ondertussen zie je in Bulgarije, Roemenie of Griekenland kinderen niet of zo goed als nooit op straat bedelen en woonde dit meisje in een dorpje in the middle of fucking nowhere waar zo goed als geen toeristen ook maar enigszins in de buurt komen. Voor de rest een leuke theorie hoor.

Hee, ik leg alleen maar uit waarom wordt geroepen dat het kind een goudmijn zou zijn, je hebt mij nergens zien posten dat het kind een goudmijn is.

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Op donderdag 24 oktober 2013 22:57 schreef Leandra het volgende:

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Hee, ik leg alleen maar uit waarom wordt geroepen dat het kind een goudmijn zou zijn, je hebt mij nergens zien posten dat het kind een goudmijn is.

Je presenteerde het meer als eigen mening, enfin, excuses dan

Neu, ik denk niet dat ze het meisje hadden laten bedelen, die valt te veel op en zo werkt
het ook niet, ik heb nog nooit zo'n blond kindje in Griekenland zien bedelen.
Toeristen geven juist eerder aan zo'n kind wat er écht uitziet als een zigeunerkindje
de Grieken weten wel hoe het zit, die geven niks of iets te eten.

Maar hier gebeurt dus hetzelfde wat in Mexico gebeurde met een blond meisje.

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In October 2012, the Associated Press reported that a photo had surfaced on the internet of a blonde child begging for money in Guadalajara, which prompted Mexican officials to place the child in an orphanage on suspicions that she had been kidnapped. The incident started a debate about the state of racism in Mexico today, as the mother of the child was darker-skinned. Officials found the young girl, put her in a Guadalajara orphanage and detained her mother for two days. The child's grandmother — who also has green eyes — was able to hand over the birth certificate of the girl, quelling accusations that the girl had been kidnapped. Nevertheless, the incident managed to outrage Mexicans and others all over the world for its obvious racist motivations. Additionally, the internet activity focused on the racial aspect of the story, rather than the tragedy that a 5-year-old child was forced to beg on the streets

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Ondertussen in Ierland...

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_{October 23, 2013 5:29 PM}
Ireland returns 2 blond children to Gypsy parents

DUBLIN (AP) — Two blond children who were taken by Irish police from their Romanian Gypsy parents were returned Wednesday to their families after DNA tests determined that the children were rightfully theirs, an episode that raised accusations of racism.

The Irish police were responding to public tipoffs fueled by media coverage of an alleged child-abduction case in Greece involving a blond-haired girl and a family of Gypsies, known as Roma.

Justice Minister Alan Shatter told lawmakers he was "pleased and relieved" that the children had been returned to their homes. He ordered the police commander, Commissioner Martin Callinan, to produce a report explaining why officers felt it necessary to take the children — a 2-year-old boy and a 7-year-old girl — from their families.

"We must all be particularly conscious of the regrettable distress that arose for the two families and their children," Shatter said.

He defended the need for police and child welfare officers to remove children from potentially dangerous homes, but cautioned that Irish authorities must ensure "that no group or minority community is singled out for unwarranted suspicion in relation to child protection issues."
In both cases, police suspected that the children might be victims of abductions because they were blond-haired and blue-eyed, unlike the rest of their immediate relatives.

An estimated 5,000 Roma have settled over the past decade in Ireland, where many have been linked to organized street-begging rackets involving children.

On Monday, police went to one Roma family's home in southwest Dublin and sought the passport and birth certificate of the girl. The family produced them, but police opted to issue an emergency child protection order and place the child in state care. Police said the Romanian passport was not useful because it had a baby photo, not the girl's current appearance, while the birth certificate did not match Dublin hospital records.

On Tuesday, police in the midlands town of Athlone went to another Roma family's home and asked both parents to provide mouth-swab samples from their son and themselves. The boy then was taken away by social workers overnight and returned the next day after the child's parentage was confirmed.

Irish child protection law prohibits the publication of the names of either family because their cases involve the placement of children into state protective custody.

The Athlone family's father told reporters he had assured police that other relatives also had blond hair and blue eyes. He said his wife couldn't sleep all night and the boy's older sister cried much of the night.

The Dublin family's lawyer, Waheed Mudah, issued a statement outside the Family Court accusing the police of acting without justifiable cause.

Mudah said his clients were "very conscious of the fact that this case has been linked" with the Greek child-abduction case, "which has nothing to do with them."

He said his clients hoped parents across Ireland would "consider how they would feel if one of their children was taken away in similar circumstances for similar reasons. They hope no other family has to go through the experience they have suffered."

Pavee Point, a Dublin-based support group for Gypsies, said the police were guilty of racial profiling and child abduction.

The group's co-director, Martin Collins, said he feared that more children "of Roma parents who are not dark-skinned and have brown eyes could be taken away, one after the other, for DNA test after DNA test. It's outrageous. It's despicable."

Ireland's national police, the Garda Siochana, confirmed that both children were returned to their families Wednesday. In a statement the force defended its actions as consistent with child-protection laws, and said the public should be assured "that we take extremely serious(ly) all reports received from members of the public concerning child welfare issues."

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Roma Face Persecution Across Europe In New Baby Stealing Panic
_{by Tom Sykes, Barbie Latza Nadeau Oct 24, 2013 1:00 PM EDT}

From Ireland to Italy, Roma are facing a new wave of persecution and harassment in Europe—including
having their children taken in for genetic testing—in the wake of the discovery of little Maria. By Tom Sykes and Barbie Latza Nadeau.

It had been a long 72 hours for the Dublin Roma family whose seven year-old child was removed from them by the authorities, a series of events triggered after police read a Facebook message which called into question her parentage because she had blonde hair and blue eyes. But at about 5:30pm last night, after a ruling from a secret family court a few miles and a world away in the centre of Dublin, the mood in the hardscrabble suburb of Tallaght began to lighten.


_{A girl is seen at the door of a caravan at an encampment of Roma families in Triel-sur-Seine, near Paris, on October 18, 2013. (Benoit Tessier/Reuters)}

The adults were tight-lipped, but the kids gave it away. The DNA tests had revealed that yes, the girl was indeed the biological daughter of the Roma parents who claimed her. The children started running up and down the street, waving balloons, calling out the little girl’s name in celebration.

Shortly afterwards, a 21-year-old sister (neither the girl nor her family can be identified under Irish family law) dressed in a traditional flowing Roma dress, topped off by a less traditional fluffy pink dressing gown with polka dots, came out of the house and confirmed to journalists that the seven-year-old was coming home.

Holding back tears, the woman said that she was happy that her sister was coming home but talked in broken English about the agonizing trauma of the past three days. The child, she said, had not eaten for three days. The whole family had been very worried and upset. They had been crying every day. They hoped this would never happen to another family.

“We’re going to have a big party tonight,” she told The Daily Beast, “A traditional Roma party with singing, dancing and music. We always had all the proofs and we never doubted she would come home.”

It was bitterly cold by 9:45pm, when the child finally arrived home and was rushed into the house covered in a blanket (ironically, covering her in a blanket meant that Irish papers were able to use the pictures, as the child’s identity was obscured).

The Roma family later issued a statement through their lawyer which called for an investigation and threatened legal action. “They do not accept that there was any proper or sufficient basis to take their daughter away from them,” the statement said, adding that they hoped no other family had to “go through the experience that they have just suffered.”

In fact, a family a hundred miles away in the provincial town of Athlone had been through exactly the same thing while the case in Dublin was playing out. The parents of two-year-old Iancu Muntean spoke of their trauma after he was removed by the gardai amid questions over his parentage.

“I say to guards: ‘What make you take my baby?’” Mr Muntean told the Irish Independent. “When somebody take your kid you feel sick, you feel bad.”

Did the Irish police really believe the ancient, pernicious myths that the Roma steal people’s children? What next, a swoop by the Irish cops on eagles lifting babies from prams?

Speaking in the Seanad last night, the Minister for Justice Alan Shatter said he would ask the Garda Commissioner for a report on the background to the cases with a view to reviewing procedures.

This morning, the Irish premier Enda Kenny tried to argue that race was not a factor in the removal of the children, telling the Irish Times: “This should not be seen to be about any group or any minority, this is about children, and there’s always a balance to be struck if there are genuine fears about the health, welfare and safety of children.”

His argument is likely to fall on deaf ears. The fact remains that the children were removed on the basis of claims that they did not resemble the couples who were their biological parents. The Irish are, for now at least, outraged, on behalf of the Roma, sensing their reputation for tolerance and open-mindedness, born of a history of enthusiastic emigration themselves, is under threat.

But mainland European Roma are enjoying no such public support. Europe’s Roma, who also are also referred to in less politically correct terms as gypsies, have been smeared with allegations of child abduction since Victorian times. Parents in Europe and the United States have been facetiously warning their children they’d be “stolen by gypsies” or “sold to the gypsies” for centuries.

Roma baby-stealing myths, fed by the ongoing fascination with the disappearance of British girl Madeline McCann in Portugal, have now been revived after the appearance of “Maria,” a blonde child not genetically linked to her supposed parents, who was discovered in the Fasala Roma camp in Greece. The couple who raised Maria claimed she was informally adopted from a mother who could not cope. As a global search for her real parents ensues, many European countries are scouring their own Roma camps in search of other missing children.

According to Greek media, investigators in Greece are considering a theory that Maria was supposed to be sold for around ¤20,000 after she arrived at the camp. But when the deal fell through after a crackdown in illegal adoptions between 2008—2010, her Roma parents supposedly bought her for around ¤1,000. Officials are also testing the DNA of a Bulgarian Roma woman who gave birth to a child in Greece in 2008 and says she had to leave her behind because the familiy could not support her.
Officials are adding fuel to the fire: “A plausible scenario is that the little girl ended up with the Roma family after the crackdown on a ring involving illegal adoptions via Bulgaria between 2008 and 2010,” according to police in a televised press conference on Greek SKAI television.

Meanwhile, in Italy, persecution of the Roma has become almost a national pastime. In 2007 the Italian government tried to introduce special legislation to make “zingari” or “sinti” people illegal immigrants even if they had valid European documents. The move was to rid the streets of the aggressive window washers, bolstered by claims that the gypsies were responsible for 75 percent of petty crimes in the country. One has to only go near a tourist attraction in Rome to see signs warning tourists in multiple languages about the “gypsy pickpockets.” Roma settlements are frequently targeted by hate groups. In the last five years, a dozen camps have been set alight across the country. Many camps have been razed by authorities, especially in the northern regions, where there is little tolerance for ethnic division.

Now, Italy’s right-wing political groups have seized on the discovery of Maria to try and introduce parliamentary legislation to allow for similar sweeps across Italy in search of “stolen” babies.

“The case of little Maria found in a Roma camp in Greece that authorities suspect was an abduction by a pair of nomads should give us pause,” said Edmondo Cirielli, a deputy with Brothers of Italy. “The government should put in place every possibly policy to have more controls over the Roma camps in Italy and not let the issue get lost in the banality of alleged racism.”

In France, an entire settlement of Roma in the heart of Marseille abandoned their encampment in the dead of night last week, out of fear they would be targeted by police. Swedish police were also condemned after the discovery of an NSA-style race-based database of more than 4,000 Roma, including details of 1,000 children.

Searches are also continuing in Greece, where an archaic birth registration system that makes it easy to facilitate benefit fraud is being examined. Three Roma people were arrested on the Greek island of Lesbos when they tried to register a two-and-a-half-month old baby with dodgy documents earlier this week. Like the case of Maria, the alleged parents claimed that someone had given them the child to take care of.

Amnesty International calls the persecution of the Roma worrying. Between 10 and 12 million Roma live in Europe. Amnesty International says that thousands of the Roma children “are placed in segregated schools and receive a substandard education.” In a recent report on maltreatment of the Roma people, they wrote, “When it comes to the treatment of the Roma, EU governments are not just failing to respect binding international human rights standards, but also to enforce EU anti-discrimination law.”

As in many other parts of the world, the Roma are not popular in Ireland, regularly indicted for everything from aggressive begging to benefits fraud. Many citizens born in the country resent that they have the same entitlements to Ireland’s generous welfare state, and accuse them of never working. They are particularly hated in Tallaght, as the brick-proof perspex windows and CCTV cameras mounted on the side of houses attest.

Appalling and shameful for Ireland as it has been, the Dublin case may, in the long run, work in the Roma’s favor as it exposes so graphically the casual, institutionalized racism doled out to these people as a matter of course.

And, for once, the Irish people are on the Roma’s side.

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Maria 'was groomed to be a child bride': Police claim girl found in gipsy camp was set to be married off at the age of 12 by couple who adopted her

Maria's pale features would make her a 'prize bride' among gipsies
She would have fetched 'parents' a hefty dowry
The little girl is likely to have been married off at 12

Little blonde Maria was being groomed by her gipsy captors to be a child bride, Greek police believe.
The distinctive blue-eyed girl was discovered in a Roma settlement during a police raid a week ago, when officers noticed she looked nothing like the couple posing as her parents.
DNA evidence has shown she is not related to Eleftheria Dimopoulou, 40, and her husband Hristos Salis, 39, who have been charged with child abduction and procuring false identity documents


_{Child bride: Little Maria may have been married off at 12 for a substantial dowry. She is pictured with Eleftheria Dimopoulou, and husband Hristos Salis}

Police now believe that Maria, who is thought to be four or five, was being prepared for marriage at the age of 12.
Her pale skin, near-white hair and blue eyes would have made her a ‘prize bride’ among the gipsy community.


_{Police now believe that Maria, who is thought to be four or five, was being prepared for marriage at the age of 12. Right, a file picture of a child at a gipsy wedding}


Maria was given her own room in the brick-built house where she was discovered, in the gipsy settlement of Tabakou on the edge of Farsala, central Greece.
There is growing evidence she was used by Salis and Dimopoulou to beg and dance for money.
They also made money from child benefit payments she entitled them to.
Neighbours say the couple purchased Maria for as little as £850 from a Bulgarian couple when she was a baby.
Detectives are now looking into the possibility that she was offered cheap by a gang on the run from police. The gang, smuggling children from Bulgaria into Greece, may have intended to sell her to a wealthy Greek couple for up to £22,000.
They are looking at case files of three illegal adoption circles that were dismantled by police between 2009 and 2011.
The earliest operation is said to be of most interest. The 2009 operation led to the arrests of 11 members of a gang operating in central and northern Greece.
The circle featured a Bulgarian ‘middle man’ who employed a local gipsy couple to locate potential buyers.
The case is of particular interest because when he appeared in court on Monday Salis provided officials with the name of a Bulgarian ‘mediator’ and his mobile phone number and urged the court to trace him.
In a separate case, Greek police yesterday arrested three gipsies on the Greek island of Lesbos on suspicion of abducting a two-month-old baby.


_{Arrested: Salis, 39, left, and Dimopoulou, 40, right, charged with child abduction and forging documents}

They believe a young couple - a 21-year-old man and 19-year-old woman - and an older woman, 51, had obtained the child in Athens.
The Greek birth registration system has come under close scrutiny since Maria was discovered last Wednesday.
Konstantinos Tzanakoulis, mayor of Larissa, the closest city to the camp she was found, said yesterday that it was ‘pure luck’ that her case was uncovered at all.
‘Who knows how many such cases exist?’ he asked, blaming a system he said was riddled with loopholes. ‘We may never know.’

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Die gast lijkt op een combinatie van Prem Rhadhakishun en Quincy Gario

ATHENE - Een Grieks echtpaar is door de politie gearresteerd omdat zij voor 4000 euro een baby hadden gekocht van Roma. De politie kwam het echtpaar op het spoor toen de vrouw zonder succes het kind wilde registreren bij de burgerlijke stand. De man van 53 en vrouw van 48, die zelf geen kinderen konden krijgen, kochten het kind in maart via een tussenpersoon.

Dinsdag werden twee Ierse Romakinderen weggehaald bij hun families omdat ze totaal niet op hun ouders leken. Toen DNA-testen de biologische banden met hun ouders bewezen, werden ze teruggebracht. Vorige week bleek dat het meisje 'Maria' in een Grieks Romakamp geen biologisch kind van haar ouders was, maar een ontvoerde baby zou kunnen zijn. De controle op Griekse Romakampen is na deze gevallen aangescherpt.

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Op dinsdag 22 oktober 2013 12:15 schreef Letsstaytogether het volgende:

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Waarom? Of lul je maar wat? Kan het mij niet voorstellen namelijk. Er zijn zoveel van dat soort kinderen met zo'n standaard blond blank uiterlijk.

zo werkt mensenhandel nou eenmaal, dit is niet mijn mening. jij woont in europa waar blanke huid blond haar en lichte ogen voor jou heel normaal is, uiteraard. voor ons zijn aziaten exotisch, voor ons zijn afrikanen exotisch (tenzij je natuurlijk bent opgegroeid in een grote stad of een dergelijke plaats met etnische diversiteit, en natuurlijk zijn niet-europanen (als in niet slavisch, germaans, etc) in europa steeds meer een normaal verschijnsel)). in afrika en azië, die een veel grotere en ook wat meer homogene bevolking hebben, zijn lichte mensen exotisch. exotisch hier houdt in, 'bijzonder', 'niet vaak voorkomend' of 'zeldzaam', 'anders dan ons'. als ik het goed heb heeft meer dan 90% van de wereldbevolking donker haar en donkere ogen. ongeveer 2% van de wereldbevolking heeft blond haar en volgens ietsje minder dan 2% heeft rood haar. lichte kinderen zijn veel waard in de wereld van mensenhandel, dat is niet moeilijk voor te stellen. ik herinner me dat kinderen met donker/zwart haar en blauwe ogen ook veel geld vangen.

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Kinderen met krulletjes zijn veel schattiger.

dat is dan jouw eigen mening. wij blanke mensen in onze westerse landen adopteren veel chinese meisjes en afrikaanse kindertjes.mijn grootouders hebben drie chinese meisjes geadopteerd. maar als we naar de hele wereld kijken, zijn er miljarden afrikanen en chinezen maar niet zoveel lichte europese kinderen die een wijd spectrum vertonen wat betreft huidskleur, oogkleur, haarkleur.

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Op vrijdag 25 oktober 2013 10:25 schreef tong80 het volgende:
ATHENE - Een Grieks echtpaar is door de politie gearresteerd omdat zij voor 4000 euro een baby hadden gekocht van Roma. De politie kwam het echtpaar op het spoor toen de vrouw zonder succes het kind wilde registreren bij de burgerlijke stand. De man van 53 en vrouw van 48, die zelf geen kinderen konden krijgen, kochten het kind in maart via een tussenpersoon.

Dinsdag werden twee Ierse Romakinderen weggehaald bij hun families omdat ze totaal niet op hun ouders leken. Toen DNA-testen de biologische banden met hun ouders bewezen, werden ze teruggebracht. Vorige week bleek dat het meisje 'Maria' in een Grieks Romakamp geen biologisch kind van haar ouders was, maar een ontvoerde baby zou kunnen zijn. De controle op Griekse Romakampen is na deze gevallen aangescherpt.

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Je bent snel Tong

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Greek couple in Athens charged with abduction after allegedly buying Roma baby

_{Friday October 25, 2013 (11:30)}



A Greek couple faced a prosecutor on Friday charged with abduction after reportedly purchasing an infant from a Roma woman in Zefyri, northern Athens, for 4,000 euros.

The 53-year-old man and 48-year-old woman were arrested in the area of Ano Liosia after police received a tipoff that they had a little girl in their home that was not their biological child.

According to police investigators, the couple were given the Roma child by its mother in Zefyri in March after giving her 4,000 euros in cash. The alleged exchange was made when the child was just a few days old.

The 48-year-old is alleged to have tried, unsuccessfully, to register the child at the local municipality.

The infant has been taken to Athens' Aghia Sofia children's hospital for medical tests.

Gepubliceerd op 23 okt 2013
The high-profile cases of two young girls in Greece and Ireland have highlighted the treatment of children in Roma communities across Europe.

DNA tests conducted in central Greece on a blonde-haired girl known as Maria have shown that the couple looking after her were not her biological parents.

Tests were also carried out on a girl taken into care in Dublin, although they have concluded that she was living with her biological parents. Police had initially not been persuaded by the birth certificate and passport provided by the family, reports said.

Both stories, one on the western fringes of Europe and the other in the east, involve blonde-haired girls with disputed documents.

"Not all Roma communities have dark skin: there are Roma who have light skin and green eyes," says Dezideriu Gergely, head of the Budapest-based European Roma Rights Centre. Criminal organisations bring hundreds of children from the Balkans to Greece, where they are subjected to forced labour, sex-trafficking or sold to couples" Greece's child-trafficking problem

He is concerned about the dangers of racial profiling and insists Maria's case in Greece should be viewed as unusual. While it is not uncommon for children to be raised by extended families, for example by grandparents, Mr Gergely considers it rare for children to be brought up beyond their biological families.

"Definitely there is a need for an answer. Something was not right and that is for the court to investigate." What alarms him is the labelling of an entire community.

There has been widespread interest in Maria, particularly because of the high-profile disappearances of two British blonde-haired children: Madeleine McCann in Portugal in 2007 and Ben Needham on the Greek island of Kos in 1991.

Indeed, the authorities have themselves internationalised the story with Interpol asking 190 countries to check for a possible match to Maria's DNA, to assess whether she has been a victim of child abduction or trafficking.

Mr Gergely believes the latest cases may resurrect old hatreds and myths of babies being stolen. Roma in already-marginalised communities such as Serbia have complained of racial discrimination. But he does acknowledge that the Roma may have been exposed to child traffickers.

"It's true the Roma are a vulnerable group because of extreme poverty, low income and low levels of education. But it's not related to cultural factors or to do with the Roma community, let's say, getting involved in trafficking."

The UN children's agency Unicef has told the BBC that Roma communities are often used by traffickers because they are seen as "under the radar of society".

As many as 3,000 children in Greece are in the hands of child-trafficking rings originating in Bulgaria, Romania and other Balkan countries, Unicef says.
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"Start Quote Social workers have contacted us with very serious child protection concerns"

Siobhan Curran Pavee Point, Ireland

Most cases are not thought to involve abduction but rather the buying and selling of children for a few thousand euros.

Part of the problem in Greece appears to lie in its localised and out-of-date child-registration system. And yet, ever since the mid-1990s, the European Union has tried to ensure all Roma communities across Europe are fully registered.

Most Roma, some 95%, are in settled communities in the EU and both Maria's case and that of the girl in the Tallaght suburb of Dublin involve settled families. In other words, there is no obvious need for paperwork problems.

But for all the efforts to bring Roma families into national databases, many are still clearly beyond the system.

The couple who registered Maria, according to the Greek authorities, used false identification and claimed to have had six children in under 10 months. And Greece's supreme court has called for an urgent investigation across the country into birth certificates issued since 2008.

The prosecutor's order warns that Maria's case may not be unique. "This could have happened in other parts of the country," it warns.

In Ireland, too, there are concerns about the registration system, which have alarmed Siobhan Curran, Roma project co-ordinator at the Pavee Point travellers and Roma centre.

She has seen many in Ireland's 5,000 Roma population struggle to get hold of social benefits because of what she sees as "very harsh criteria" needed to meet what is known as the habitual residence condition. Poor literacy and language can also be a problem for Roma looking for a job when they try to register for the Personal Public Service number (PPS), required for tax purposes.

She describes a vicious cycle where families are unable to obtain a medical card because they are unable to prove they are entitled to one. When they fail to take a child to a local doctor for care, social services are then called in.

Wat een tokkies, of mag ik dat niet hardop zeggen?

Wel 'grappig'. Nu blijkt dat de kinderen niet ontvoerd zijn, wordt het accent verlegd naar de levensomstandigheden.

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vr 25 okt 2013, 15:54
DNA-test: Moeder Maria Bulgaarse

LAMIA -
Maria, het meisje dat vorige week bij Roma-zigeuners in Griekenland werd gevonden, is van Bulgaarse afkomst. Dat staat nu defiinitief vast na een DNA-onderzoek.

Volgens lokale media is haar moeder de 35-jarige Sasha Ruseva uit Burgas, een stad aan de Zwarte Zee. Maria werd gevonden tijdens een politie-inval in het Roma-kamp. Het meisje viel op omdat ze met haar blonde haar totaal niet op haar 'ouders' leek. Uit DNA-testen bleek dat dat inderdaad niet het geval was.

Ruseva zou het meisje hebben gebaard in de Griekse stad Lamia, niet ver van het Roma-kamp waar Maria werd gevonden. Het ziekenhuis daar bevestigt dat ze op 31 januari 2009 beviel van een dochter. Die datum gaven de Roma-ouders ook op als geboortedatum.

Large scale police operations in Roma camps

Police vow to step up law enforcement in Roma settlements across the country but deny the raids are related to the Maria case

Police had said that a number of recent raids on Roma settlements in Athens and Thessaloniki are unrelated to the case of the girl found living with a couple who were not her birth parents last week and are just a part of routine checks for criminal activity.

Some human rights groups had criticised the large-scale police operations, which took place in various Roma camps in the areas of Perea and Diavata in Thessaloniki and Zefyri and Auliza in Acharnes, northern Athens, on Tuesday and which resulted in a total of 156 detentions and 10 arrests.

According to the police statement, of the 51 people detained in Thessaloniki, one has pending conviction for tax evasion and will be led before a prosecutor. A total of 24 house searches also took place, in the presence of a prosecutor.

In Attica checks were carried out on 230 people and 50 vehicles, while the identities of a number of children in three Roma families were controlled.

Police said that they detained 105 people in total, of whom nine were arrested.

They added that two men, for whom warrants existed in relation to ATM robberies, and five undocumented migrants, were among those arrested. Deportation proceedings would be initiated against the migrants.

Police says that in the first nine months of 2013, 609 operations involving the Roma community took place in Attica, in which: 13,358 people were detained, 254 were arrested and 854 violations were confirmed.

At the same time, 1,131 police operations in Roma camps took place in the whole country. Where in total (including Attica) 19,067 were detained, 1,305 were arrested and 4,651 violations were confirmed.

Police said the will step up their activities in Roma settlements across the country in the coming months.

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Op vrijdag 25 oktober 2013 14:04 schreef Copycat het volgende:
Wel 'grappig'. Nu blijkt dat de kinderen niet ontvoerd zijn, wordt het accent verlegd naar de levensomstandigheden.

Typisch hè Er moet toch wat te kankeren zijn. En je moet je eigen leugens over al die kindslaafjes toch een beetje naar de achtergrond zien te praten. Al komen nu alweer de berichten op dat het meisje pas over een jaar of zeven verkocht zou worden..

Maar goed, bronnen als the daily mail aanhalen is dan ook veelzeggend. Meisje zit nu in ieder geval in een foster home in Bulgarije.

http://www.ekathimerini.c(...)_1_25/10/2013_524887

_{Friday October 25, 2013}
Ombudsman slams treatment of Roma by Greek state and media

Greece’s citizens’ advocate issued a scathing assessment on Friday of the way authorities and the media had handled the case of Maria, the young girl taken from a Roma family last week after authorities found her DNA did not match that of her supposed parents.

The Ombudsman said that the case had highlighted the poor provisions for protecting minors in Greece and called on the government to make this “a priority of national policy.” The watchdog said authorities also needed to urgently examine the adoption process in Greece.

With officials waiting to see if a DNA test on a Roma woman in Bulgaria will prove she is Maria’s mother, the Ombudsman also criticized some media for reproducing “stereotypes and racist attitudes.” The watchdog emphasized that the state is doing too little to combat the Roma’s social exclusion. It called for more regular visits of social workers to Roma encampments and greater efforts to register Gypsies as full citizens of Greece.

Toch fijn dat FANN ieder lullig berichtje dat hieromtrent opgemaakt wordt plaatst. Kan ze ook niet beginnen met Frans-, Duits-, Spaans-, en Griekstalige berichten?

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Op vrijdag 25 oktober 2013 17:09 schreef Dven het volgende:
Toch fijn dat FANN ieder lullig berichtje dat hieromtrent opgemaakt wordt plaatst. Kan ze ook niet beginnen met Frans-, Duits-, Spaans-, en Griekstalige berichten?

Oké als het persoonlijk wordt trek ik mij terug uit dit topic.
Ik geef alleen de berichten door. maar neem jij het maar over dan.

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Op vrijdag 25 oktober 2013 17:11 schreef FANNvanhetlaatsteuur het volgende:

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Oké als het persoonlijk wordt trek ik mij terug uit dit topic.
Ik geef alleen de berichten door. maar neem jij het maar over dan.

Doen we

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Op donderdag 24 oktober 2013 15:42 schreef yulian het volgende:

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En toen was het stil... in dit topic.

Tja, misschien is het nu niet meer interessant omdat het toch een zigeunerkindje is?
Misschien is het hele onderwerp zigeunerkinderen die in die kampen leven niet meer interessant?
Dven zou het verder overnemen, maar ik heb het gevoel dat het onderwerp dood zal bloeden,
misschien valt er nog iets te lezen in de ''Zwarte Piet'' topics, die lopen als een trein

Goed artikel over de stereotyperingen en de gevolgen van deze hysterie voor de Roma-gemeenschappen in Europa:

http://www.nytimes.com/20(...)-their-own.html?_r=0

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Op zaterdag 26 oktober 2013 08:54 schreef Copycat het volgende:
Goed artikel over de stereotyperingen en de gevolgen van deze hysterie voor de Roma-gemeenschappen in Europa:

http://www.nytimes.com/20(...)-their-own.html?_r=0

Eindelijk weer nieuws !

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Op zaterdag 26 oktober 2013 08:58 schreef FANNvanhetlaatsteuur het volgende:
Eindelijk weer nieuws !

Geen nieuws, maar duidende achtergrond.
Ik denk ook dat er amper nog nieuws zal komen in deze non-zaak.