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Vandaar die flashbackquote:Op maandag 16 september 2013 21:07 schreef slashdotter3 het volgende:
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Walt rolt langs z'n broek van de allereerste keer
Kut het meest veelzijdige stukje vlees
Wisdom of the crowd, als je maar met genoeg mensen bent dan wordt alles onderzocht. Iedereen heeft andere kennis, interesses en oog voor andere details.quote:
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Ik weet niet wat briljanter is, de productie met hun oog voor detail en verwijzingen naar eerdere afleveringen of de kijker die de details opmerkt. In beide gevallen: chapeau.
http://www.reddit.com/r/b(...)_discussion_se05e14/
Check dit topic, zelfs het schaakspel van de brandweermannen wordt door schaakexperts geanalyseerd op metaforen en weer een ander met een Indiaanse Navajo achtergrond verteld dat de hond op het eind in zijn cultuur een betekenis heeft: "it foretells of an unfortunate event or there is something in your path or something bad in the near future. Since they shot in Tohajilee, which is part of the Navajo Nation, some (not all) of my tribe's viewpoints or particular beliefs resonated well with the writers."
I posted this in the other discussion, but Ill go ahead and repost it:
"This is where we're at now.
Walter White is done. He is over. Bam. Ceased to exist.
A lot of people are going to say that this episode made Walter out to be a villain. An evil person. He gave up Jesse, and he essentially told Jesse the worst thing he could. He kidnapped Holly. He sent that last call to Skylar.
Think about it, though. In Walt's mind, it would be very easy for him to blame Jesse for Hank's death. Jesse was the person who called him and got him out there. Jesse was the one that "went rabid" and so very threatened Walt's very existence after what Walt saw as a very caring relationship. Jesse was the one that helped Hank get out there to get Walt.
It's very easy for somebody in Walt's position to not think clearly and give up the one that he could most simply place the blame on.
He kidnapped Holly, but Holly was the last possible link to a healthy family Walt could have left. His son went against him. His wife went against him. His brother is dead and his sister-in-law will absolutely have nothing to do with Walt after that. With Holly, he could at least raise her as if he was never Heisenberg. A fresh start.
But he gave her back, and he made that final call as Walter White.
The last known record of Walter White will be that call. The call where he spoke down to his wife for going against him and implied to the crime of murdering Hank Schrader. If there was ever a chance that Skyler could be the accessory to Walt; it is gone. There is absolutely no chance Skyler will ever be convicted of anything now. She is no longer an accessory; she is a hostage.
Walter White gave up his reputation to his family in order to protect his family's reputation. Skyler will never be seen as Skysenberg. She will be his victim. She will be stopped in the supermarket and hugged and told nice things, rather than potentially let off anyways and forever being an O.J. Simpson or similarly acquitted 'criminals'.
Walter White is a man. He isn't a great man. He isn't a bad man. He is a man. He is a father. He is a husband. Even at the final moment, when it was do or die. When it was his money; his TROPHY for what he did, he was still eagerly ready to ignore all logic and give up his money for his brother-in-law.
And we all know where it's going from here. We don't know the specifics, but we do know a few things...
Jesse is now a meth slave. He has to cook for the safety of HIS family. Jesse is now what Skyler expected Walt to become.
Walt has no family left. He is dead to Walter Jr. He is dead to Marie. He will never be more than a monster to Holly as she grows up. The only person who may see Walt as less than a monster is Skyler, but even that's based on the idea that she may one day think logically about her last contact with Walter and the fact that he gave back Holly.
Walter is coming back, and he is buying an M60, and he is retrieving the ricin.
He has one enemy left in the world.
Is Walt coming back to save Jesse? I doubt it. I don't see how the news that Jesse is a meth slave could EVER reach Walt.
No.
Walt is coming back for one thing and one thing only: he is dying, so he is going to go down avenging his brother-in-law. He'll probably end up saving Jesse, but that'll be something that just happens naturally.
No, Walt is coming back to kill Jack."
"This is where we're at now.
Walter White is done. He is over. Bam. Ceased to exist.
A lot of people are going to say that this episode made Walter out to be a villain. An evil person. He gave up Jesse, and he essentially told Jesse the worst thing he could. He kidnapped Holly. He sent that last call to Skylar.
Think about it, though. In Walt's mind, it would be very easy for him to blame Jesse for Hank's death. Jesse was the person who called him and got him out there. Jesse was the one that "went rabid" and so very threatened Walt's very existence after what Walt saw as a very caring relationship. Jesse was the one that helped Hank get out there to get Walt.
It's very easy for somebody in Walt's position to not think clearly and give up the one that he could most simply place the blame on.
He kidnapped Holly, but Holly was the last possible link to a healthy family Walt could have left. His son went against him. His wife went against him. His brother is dead and his sister-in-law will absolutely have nothing to do with Walt after that. With Holly, he could at least raise her as if he was never Heisenberg. A fresh start.
But he gave her back, and he made that final call as Walter White.
The last known record of Walter White will be that call. The call where he spoke down to his wife for going against him and implied to the crime of murdering Hank Schrader. If there was ever a chance that Skyler could be the accessory to Walt; it is gone. There is absolutely no chance Skyler will ever be convicted of anything now. She is no longer an accessory; she is a hostage.
Walter White gave up his reputation to his family in order to protect his family's reputation. Skyler will never be seen as Skysenberg. She will be his victim. She will be stopped in the supermarket and hugged and told nice things, rather than potentially let off anyways and forever being an O.J. Simpson or similarly acquitted 'criminals'.
Walter White is a man. He isn't a great man. He isn't a bad man. He is a man. He is a father. He is a husband. Even at the final moment, when it was do or die. When it was his money; his TROPHY for what he did, he was still eagerly ready to ignore all logic and give up his money for his brother-in-law.
And we all know where it's going from here. We don't know the specifics, but we do know a few things...
Jesse is now a meth slave. He has to cook for the safety of HIS family. Jesse is now what Skyler expected Walt to become.
Walt has no family left. He is dead to Walter Jr. He is dead to Marie. He will never be more than a monster to Holly as she grows up. The only person who may see Walt as less than a monster is Skyler, but even that's based on the idea that she may one day think logically about her last contact with Walter and the fact that he gave back Holly.
Walter is coming back, and he is buying an M60, and he is retrieving the ricin.
He has one enemy left in the world.
Is Walt coming back to save Jesse? I doubt it. I don't see how the news that Jesse is a meth slave could EVER reach Walt.
No.
Walt is coming back for one thing and one thing only: he is dying, so he is going to go down avenging his brother-in-law. He'll probably end up saving Jesse, but that'll be something that just happens naturally.
No, Walt is coming back to kill Jack."
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Pff.. vind het eigenlijk niet zo erg dat de serie bijna afgelopen is. Wat een extreem deprimerende aflevering...
Waarom maken de schrijvers er zo'n gitzwart einde van? Alles kapot, iedereen haat elkaar...
Had van mij allemaal wel net iets positiever gemogen. Zonde.
Waarom maken de schrijvers er zo'n gitzwart einde van? Alles kapot, iedereen haat elkaar...
Had van mij allemaal wel net iets positiever gemogen. Zonde.
softiequote:
Pff.. vind het eigenlijk niet zo erg dat de serie bijna afgelopen is. Wat een extreem deprimerende aflevering...
Waarom maken de schrijvers er zo'n gitzwart einde van? Alles kapot, iedereen haat elkaar...
Had van mij allemaal wel net iets positiever gemogen. Zonde.
Vond het echt geniaal. Marie, Skyler, Junior, Hank en Jesse krijgen allemaal wat ze verdienen.
Walt is echt de koning.
Walt is echt de koning.
Niets softie. Een dode en een boel actie is prima, maar zo'n gitzwart einde van de serie hoeft van mij ook weer niet. Ik mis die sfeer van de eerste 2 a 3 seizoenen toch wel een beetje.quote:
Walt wordt wakker en alles was een nachtmerrie.quote:
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Niets softie. Een dode en een boel actie is prima, maar zo'n gitzwart einde van de serie hoeft van mij ook weer niet. Ik mis die sfeer van de eerste 2 a 3 seizoenen toch wel een beetje.
Hoe verdient Junior precies wat hij gekregen heeft?quote:
Vond het echt geniaal. Marie, Skyler, Junior, Hank en Jesse krijgen allemaal wat ze verdienen.
Walt is echt de koning.
Dat hoeft ook weer nietquote:
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Walt wordt wakker en alles was een nachtmerrie.
Dat is awesomequote:
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Walt rolt langs z'n broek van de allereerste keer
Briljante aflevering. What a trip!
Nee, maar ik keek net Talking Bad en daar hadden ze het over de grote verandering van Walt, en dat was op het punt dat hij Jane liet doodgaan. Ik wil het stukje even herzien.quote:
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Gemist?
If not now, then when.
Omdat hij gehandicapt is.quote:
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Hoe verdient Junior precies wat hij gekregen heeft?
ze zijn fucking nice.
Fantastisch juist. Ik heb nog nooit zo meegeleefd met een serie. Zo enorm intens! Dat lukt je niet met een standaard nog-lang-en-gelukkig-einde.quote:
Pff.. vind het eigenlijk niet zo erg dat de serie bijna afgelopen is. Wat een extreem deprimerende aflevering...
Waarom maken de schrijvers er zo'n gitzwart einde van? Alles kapot, iedereen haat elkaar...
Had van mij allemaal wel net iets positiever gemogen. Zonde.
Dit is het verhaal van een man die van een mislukking een self-proclaimed god is geworden, over lijken is gegaan, en niet op tijd is gestopt. What goes up has got to fall ...
'And I called your name,
like an addicted to cocaine calls for the stuff he'd rather blame'
like an addicted to cocaine calls for the stuff he'd rather blame'
Moeder valt vader aan. Belt de politie dat het andersom is.quote:
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Hoe verdient Junior precies wat hij gekregen heeft?
En hij vond het ook allemaal prima toen zijn pa met gokgeld voor hem dure autos koopt, maar dan blijkt het met drugsgeld en dan is het opeens niet cool?
Op dat moment verdien je gewoon niet dat je awesome pa je mee neemt met 11 miljoen aan cash.
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