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"Why do you push us around?"
And she remembered him saying,
"I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest."
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'Afluisteren EU-diplomaten enorm schandaal'
BRUSSEL - Europese politici hebben zaterdag geschrokken gereageerd op het bericht dat de Amerikaanse geheime dienst NSA diplomaten uit de EU heeft bespioneerd. ,,Als dit klopt, dan is het een enorm schandaal'', zegt voorzitter van het Europees Parlement (EP) Martin Schulz.
De Duitser wil meer informatie over de vermeende spionagepraktijken. ,,We eisen uitgebreide opheldering'', aldus Schulz tegenover het Duitse weekblad Der Spiegel. Hij laat verder weten dat de zaak ,,een enorme druk kan leggen op de betrekkingen tussen de EU en de Verenigde Staten''.
Elmar Brok, voorzitter van de buitenlandcommissie van het EP, spreekt van ,,onaanvaardbaar'' gedrag tussen bondgenoten
Leeuwarder Courant
Over het feit dat Europese burgers massaal bespioneerd worden hoor je de EU niet, maar nu ze zélf het slachtoffer zijn spreken ze opeens over een ''enorm schandaal".
BRUSSEL - Europese politici hebben zaterdag geschrokken gereageerd op het bericht dat de Amerikaanse geheime dienst NSA diplomaten uit de EU heeft bespioneerd. ,,Als dit klopt, dan is het een enorm schandaal'', zegt voorzitter van het Europees Parlement (EP) Martin Schulz.
De Duitser wil meer informatie over de vermeende spionagepraktijken. ,,We eisen uitgebreide opheldering'', aldus Schulz tegenover het Duitse weekblad Der Spiegel. Hij laat verder weten dat de zaak ,,een enorme druk kan leggen op de betrekkingen tussen de EU en de Verenigde Staten''.
Elmar Brok, voorzitter van de buitenlandcommissie van het EP, spreekt van ,,onaanvaardbaar'' gedrag tussen bondgenoten
Leeuwarder Courant
Over het feit dat Europese burgers massaal bespioneerd worden hoor je de EU niet, maar nu ze zélf het slachtoffer zijn spreken ze opeens over een ''enorm schandaal".
Net doen of ze het niet wisten. Kom op als de VS vandaag zegt dat er wat te halen valt is Rutten de eerste die Obama een blowjob geeft bij wijze van 
En wat doen we om Assange of Snowden te beschermen.. Helemaal niks!
En wat doen we om Assange of Snowden te beschermen.. Helemaal niks!
Revealed: secret European deals to hand over private data to America
Germany 'among countries offering intelligence' according to new claims by former US defence analyst.
Wayne Madsen, an NSA worker for 12 years, has revealed that six EU countries, in addition to the UK, colluded in data harvesting.
At least six European Union countries in addition to Britain have been colluding with the US over the mass harvesting of personal communications data, according to a former contractor to America's National Security Agency, who said the public should not be "kept in the dark".
Wayne Madsen, a former US navy lieutenant who first worked for the NSA in 1985 and over the next 12 years held several sensitive positions within the agency, names Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain and Italy as having secret deals with the US. Madsen said the countries had "formal second and third party status" under signal intelligence (sigint) agreements that compels them to hand over data, including mobile phone and internet information to the NSA if requested.
Under international intelligence agreements, confirmed by declassified documents, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is first party while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy second party relationships. Germany and France have third party relationships. In an interview published last night on the PrivacySurgeon.org blog, Madsen, who has been attacked for holding controversial views on espionage issues, said he had decided to speak out after becoming concerned about the "half story" told by EU politicians regarding the extent of the NSA's activities in Europe.
He said that under the agreements, which were drawn up after the second world war, the "NSA gets the lion's share" of the sigint "take". In return, the third parties to the NSA agreements received "highly sanitised intelligence".
Madsen said he was alarmed at the "sanctimonious outcry" of political leaders who were "feigning shock" about the spying operations while staying silent about their own arrangements with the US, and was particularly concerned that senior German politicians had accused the UK of spying when their country had a similar third-party deal with the NSA.
Although the level of co-operation provided by other European countries to the NSA is not on the same scale as that provided by the UK, the allegations are potentially embarrassing. "I can't understand how Angela Merkel can keep a straight face, demanding assurances from [Barack] Obama and the UK while Germany has entered into those exact relationships," Madsen said.
The Liberal Democrat MEP Baroness Ludford, a senior member of the European parliament's civil liberties, justice and home affairs committee, said Madsen's allegations confirmed that the entire system for monitoring data interception was a mess, because the EU was unable to intervene in intelligence matters, which remained the exclusive concern of national governments.
"The intelligence agencies are exploiting these contradictions and no one is really holding them to account," Ludford said. "It's terribly undermining to liberal democracy."
Madsen's disclosures have prompted calls for European governments to come clean on their arrangements with the NSA. "There needs to be transparency as to whether or not it is legal for the US or any other security service to interrogate private material," said John Cooper QC, a leading international human rights lawyer. "The problem here is that none of these arrangements has been debated in any democratic arena. I agree with William Hague that sometimes things have to be done in secret, but you don't break the law in secret."
Madsen said all seven European countries and the US have access to the Tat 14 fibre-optic cable network running between Denmark and Germany, the Netherlands, France, the UK and the US, allowing them to intercept vast amounts of data, including phone calls, emails and records of users' access to websites. He said the public needed to be made aware of the full scale of the communication-sharing arrangements between European countries and the US, which predate the internet and became of strategic importance during the cold war.
The covert relationship between the countries was first outlined in a 2001 report by the European parliament, but their explicit connection with the NSA was not publicised until Madsen decided to speak out.
The European parliament's report followed revelations that the NSA was conducting a global intelligence-gathering operation, known as Echelon, which appears to have established the framework for European member states to collaborate with the US.
"A lot of this information isn't secret, nor is it new," Madsen said. "It's just that governments have chosen to keep the public in the dark about it. The days when they could get away with a conspiracy of silence are over."
This month another former NSA contractor, Edward Snowden, revealed to the Guardian previously undisclosed US programmes to monitor telephone and internet traffic. The NSA is alleged to have shared some of its data, gathered using a specialist tool called Prism, with Britain's GCHQ.
The Guardian
Nederland dus ook....
Germany 'among countries offering intelligence' according to new claims by former US defence analyst.
Wayne Madsen, an NSA worker for 12 years, has revealed that six EU countries, in addition to the UK, colluded in data harvesting.
At least six European Union countries in addition to Britain have been colluding with the US over the mass harvesting of personal communications data, according to a former contractor to America's National Security Agency, who said the public should not be "kept in the dark".
Wayne Madsen, a former US navy lieutenant who first worked for the NSA in 1985 and over the next 12 years held several sensitive positions within the agency, names Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain and Italy as having secret deals with the US. Madsen said the countries had "formal second and third party status" under signal intelligence (sigint) agreements that compels them to hand over data, including mobile phone and internet information to the NSA if requested.
Under international intelligence agreements, confirmed by declassified documents, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is first party while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy second party relationships. Germany and France have third party relationships. In an interview published last night on the PrivacySurgeon.org blog, Madsen, who has been attacked for holding controversial views on espionage issues, said he had decided to speak out after becoming concerned about the "half story" told by EU politicians regarding the extent of the NSA's activities in Europe.
He said that under the agreements, which were drawn up after the second world war, the "NSA gets the lion's share" of the sigint "take". In return, the third parties to the NSA agreements received "highly sanitised intelligence".
Madsen said he was alarmed at the "sanctimonious outcry" of political leaders who were "feigning shock" about the spying operations while staying silent about their own arrangements with the US, and was particularly concerned that senior German politicians had accused the UK of spying when their country had a similar third-party deal with the NSA.
Although the level of co-operation provided by other European countries to the NSA is not on the same scale as that provided by the UK, the allegations are potentially embarrassing. "I can't understand how Angela Merkel can keep a straight face, demanding assurances from [Barack] Obama and the UK while Germany has entered into those exact relationships," Madsen said.
The Liberal Democrat MEP Baroness Ludford, a senior member of the European parliament's civil liberties, justice and home affairs committee, said Madsen's allegations confirmed that the entire system for monitoring data interception was a mess, because the EU was unable to intervene in intelligence matters, which remained the exclusive concern of national governments.
"The intelligence agencies are exploiting these contradictions and no one is really holding them to account," Ludford said. "It's terribly undermining to liberal democracy."
Madsen's disclosures have prompted calls for European governments to come clean on their arrangements with the NSA. "There needs to be transparency as to whether or not it is legal for the US or any other security service to interrogate private material," said John Cooper QC, a leading international human rights lawyer. "The problem here is that none of these arrangements has been debated in any democratic arena. I agree with William Hague that sometimes things have to be done in secret, but you don't break the law in secret."
Madsen said all seven European countries and the US have access to the Tat 14 fibre-optic cable network running between Denmark and Germany, the Netherlands, France, the UK and the US, allowing them to intercept vast amounts of data, including phone calls, emails and records of users' access to websites. He said the public needed to be made aware of the full scale of the communication-sharing arrangements between European countries and the US, which predate the internet and became of strategic importance during the cold war.
The covert relationship between the countries was first outlined in a 2001 report by the European parliament, but their explicit connection with the NSA was not publicised until Madsen decided to speak out.
The European parliament's report followed revelations that the NSA was conducting a global intelligence-gathering operation, known as Echelon, which appears to have established the framework for European member states to collaborate with the US.
"A lot of this information isn't secret, nor is it new," Madsen said. "It's just that governments have chosen to keep the public in the dark about it. The days when they could get away with a conspiracy of silence are over."
This month another former NSA contractor, Edward Snowden, revealed to the Guardian previously undisclosed US programmes to monitor telephone and internet traffic. The NSA is alleged to have shared some of its data, gathered using a specialist tool called Prism, with Britain's GCHQ.
The Guardian
Nederland dus ook....
We doen er niks aan omdat het nog geen directe voelbare invloed heeft op ons (veel meer dan ongemakkelijk is afgeluisterd worden niet). Als een op een gegeven moment bijv. zou blijken dat ze PRISM hebben gebruikt om Amerikaanse bedrijven een concurentievoordeel ten opzichte van Europese/Chinese bedrijven te geven zul je waarschijnlijk wel een hevigere reactie zien, juist omdat er dan wel merkbare schade is.quote:Op zaterdag 29 juni 2013 23:13 schreef Chadi het volgende:
Net doen of ze het niet wisten. Kom op als de VS vandaag zegt dat er wat te halen valt is Rutten de eerste die Obama een blowjob geeft bij wijze van
En wat doen we om Assange of Snowden te beschermen.. Helemaal niks!
Als dit geen hoogverraad meer is weet ik het ook niet meer.
Het OM is helaas al een tijdje de speelpop van de regering.
Het OM is helaas al een tijdje de speelpop van de regering.
Over dat hij verbaasd is dat Angela Merkel met een strak gezicht 'assurances demanded' van Obama - ze moest wat natuurlijk. Al die politieke leiders die "geschokt" en "geschrokken" zijn, tuurlijk weten ze er allemaal van.
En de opmerking van Tocadisco over concurrentievoordeel: ik eet mijn sok op als dat niet ook gebeurd is, cq gebeurt.
Was er niet iets met een plotseling misgelopen deal tussen Airbus en Saudi Arabie, waarbij 'zomaar' Boeing ermee aan de haal ging? Ik meen dat het ergens in deze topic reeks naar voren kwam een poos terug.
En de opmerking van Tocadisco over concurrentievoordeel: ik eet mijn sok op als dat niet ook gebeurd is, cq gebeurt.
Was er niet iets met een plotseling misgelopen deal tussen Airbus en Saudi Arabie, waarbij 'zomaar' Boeing ermee aan de haal ging? Ik meen dat het ergens in deze topic reeks naar voren kwam een poos terug.
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Richard Stallman Speaks About Back Doors After NSA Documents Leak
Companies such as Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, and Google are scrambling to restore trust amid fresh litigation over the PRISM surveillance program.
Richard Stallman, the founder of the Free Software Foundation and a newly-inducted member of the 2013 Internet Hall of Fame, speaks about not only abandoning the cloud, which he warned about 5 years ago, but also escaping software with back doors.
'I don't think the US government should use operating systems made in China,' he says in this new interview, 'for the same reason that most governments shouldn't use operating systems made in the US and in fact we just got proof since Microsoft is now known to be telling the NSA about bugs in Windows before it fixes them.'
Companies such as Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, and Google are scrambling to restore trust amid fresh litigation over the PRISM surveillance program.
Richard Stallman, the founder of the Free Software Foundation and a newly-inducted member of the 2013 Internet Hall of Fame, speaks about not only abandoning the cloud, which he warned about 5 years ago, but also escaping software with back doors.
'I don't think the US government should use operating systems made in China,' he says in this new interview, 'for the same reason that most governments shouldn't use operating systems made in the US and in fact we just got proof since Microsoft is now known to be telling the NSA about bugs in Windows before it fixes them.'
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
Yep, het echelon schandaal.quote:
Was er niet iets met een plotseling misgelopen deal tussen Airbus en Saudi Arabie, waarbij 'zomaar' Boeing ermee aan de haal ging?
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
quote:'Deal Nederland met VS over privégegevens'
Nederland en andere Europese landen hebben met de VS samengespannen bij het op grote schaal verzamelen van persoonlijke communicatiegegevens. Dat meldt de Britse krant The Guardian zaterdag.
Behalve Nederland en Groot-Brittannië hebben Frankrijk, Duitsland, Denemarken, Spanje en Italië volgens de krant 'geheime afspraken' met de Verenigde Staten. Volgens die afspraken zouden de landen informatie over mobiel telefoonverkeer en internetgebruik moeten afstaan op verzoek van de Amerikaanse geheime dienst NSA.
De bron van The Guardian is een voormalige Amerikaanse marineofficier. De man, Wayne Madsen, heeft ook bij de geheime dienst NSA gewerkt. Madsen zegt dat hij zijn verhaal heeft gedaan omdat volgens hem EU-politici maar 'het halve verhaal' vertelden over de activiteiten van de NSA in Europa.
'Ik begrijp niet hoe Angela Merkel met een strak gezicht garanties kan eisen van Barack Obama en Groot-Brittannië, terwijl Duitsland zelf ook meedoet', aldus Madsen.
The Guardian deed de afgelopen weken onthullingen over de grote schaal waarop de NSA telefoon- en internetcommunicatie in de gaten houdt.
Bron: Volkskrant
Free Assange! Hack the Planet
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
Waar maken ze zich druk over, ik heb niets te verbergen, en als zo een terrorist wordt gepakt hoor je mij niet klagen, voor meer veiligheid vind ik dit niet zo erg, juist een goede tactiek.
Goh, waarom ben ik niet verbaasd?quote:
Op
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Europese landen vallen onder de Amerikaanse invloedssfeer. Wij dansen naar hun pijpen. Nu de macht van de VS afneemt ontstaan er meer mogelijkheden om een eigen koers te varen. Er liggen niet voor niets Amerikaanse militaire basissen in Europa. Het is niet voor niets dat Balkende de aanvalsoorlog op Irak steunde en ons daar jarenlang over voorgelogen heeft. Wij krijgen een deel van de voordelen voor onze steun.quote:
Net doen of ze het niet wisten. Kom op als de VS vandaag zegt dat er wat te halen valt is Rutten de eerste die Obama een blowjob geeft bij wijze van
En wat doen we om Assange of Snowden te beschermen.. Helemaal niks!
The view from nowhere.
De overheid is zelf het grootste veiligheidsrisico.quote:
Waar maken ze zich druk over, ik heb niets te verbergen, en als zo een terrorist wordt gepakt hoor je mij niet klagen, voor meer veiligheid vind ik dit niet zo erg, juist een goede tactiek.
The view from nowhere.
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Waar maken ze zich druk over, ik heb niets te verbergen, en als zo een terrorist wordt gepakt hoor je mij niet klagen, voor meer veiligheid vind ik dit niet zo erg, juist een goede tactiek.
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Afgerond een 2. Zeer matige troll.
OT: Nog geen 3 uur na een bericht dat Duitsland het zogenaamd schandalig vind alweer een nieuw bericht dat Duitsland gewoon mee deed. Nou is de kans groot dat het niet een en dezelfde mensen zijn die zulke deals maken en kritiek hebben, maar het blijft weer lekker
Opgeblazen gevoel of winderigheid? Zo opgelost met Rennie!
quote:Lots of Proposals, But No Real Action From Congress
The adjective “do-nothing” tends to get attached to Congress as a matter of course, but weeks after the initial revelation of the NSA’s PRISM surveillance scheme, that’s exactly what Americans have gotten out of Congress, nothing.
There’ve been proposals from both sides of the aisle, but they’ve been met by disinterest and even open scorn by most of the Senate leadership, with Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D – IL) saying the bills would be “ill-fated.”
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D – NV)’s former spokesman Jim Manley insisted that Congress would uphold the massive surveillance powers as a matter of course, saying that there were “real threats from individuals” and the NSA would fight them.
Sen. Patrick Leahy (D – VT) seems to be the top Senate leader willing to propose any changes, and as Judiciary Committee chairman he can probably at least get his proposal a vote. On the other hand, Leahy’s bill has the fewest teeth, and would forestall most debate on the matter until Summer of 2015.
bron
The view from nowhere.
quote:The naked empire
Certainly Edward Snowden's crime is one of public relations. In this day and age, power ain't just jackboots, tanks and missiles. What he did by outing the NSA and its gargantuan surveillance operation was mess hugely with the American image -- the American brand -- with its irresistible combination of might and right.
That's the nature of his "treason." The secret he gave away was pretty much the same one the little boy blurted out in Hans Christian Andersen's tale: "The emperor has no clothes!" That is, the government's security industry isn't devoted, with benevolent righteousness, to protecting the American public. Instead, it's obsessively irrational, bent on accumulating data on every phone call we make. It's a berserk spy machine, seemingly to no sane end. How awkward.
For instance, the government of Hong Kong, in refusing to extradite Snowden as per the Obama administration's request, explained in its refusal letter that it has "formally written to the U.S. government requesting clarification on reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by U.S. government agencies. It will follow up on the matter, to protect the legal rights of people of Hong Kong."
In other words, sorry, Naked Empire. We're not going to do what you ask, and by the way, we have some issues with your behavior we'd like to discuss.
This is not the sort of insolence the world's only superpower wants to hear, and it's Snowden's fault, along with other whistleblowers who preceded him, some of whom, such as Bradley Manning, are enduring harsh consequences for their truth-telling. Traitors, all of them -- at least as far as the government is concerned, because, when you strip away the public relations mask, the primary interest of government is the perpetuation of power. And anyone who interferes with that perpetuation, even, or especially, in the name of principle, is a "security risk."
Incredibly, so much of the Fourth Estate goes along with this, aligning itself with the raw, unarticulated interests of power -- with the idea that security equals the status quo. Mainstream coverage of the Snowden affair assumes that a crime has been committed and has no further interest in that aspect of the story: a crime is a crime. The unspoken assumption is that the government protects us by doing whatever it does, and we don't really need to know the details. We just need to round up the transgressors and bring them to justice, because this, rather than the upholding of some sort of principle independent of raw power, is what constitutes the "national interest."
The privileged social position of the media is based on the idea that it's beholden first and foremost to principle and speaks truth to power, not that it's a glib collaborator with power, but that old saw has been on the wane for decades. It's just one of many principles that consumer culture seems to have given up on. (Nobody, for instance, seems to worry that "Christmas has gotten too commercial" anymore, either.)
Outside the mainstream, there has, of course, been excellent critical analysis both of Snowden's revelations and the mainstream media's snarky dismissal of same, but one assumption strikes me as largely unexamined: that the U.S. government essentially has the power to do whatever it wants, independent of the citizenry living under its auspices, and that our choices are either to go along with it or rail angrily against it. But maybe we have other options as well.
Gene Sharp, the extraordinary historian and theorist of nonviolent power, writes in "Power and Struggle: The Nature and Control of Political Power":
"Basically, there appear to be two views of the nature of power. One can see people as dependent upon the good will, the decisions and the support of their government or any other hierarchical system to which they belong. Or, conversely, one can see that government or system dependent on the people's good will, decisions and support.
"One can see the power of a government as emitted from the few who stand at the pinnacle of command. Or one can see that power, in all governments, as continually rising from many parts of the society. One can also see power as self-perpetuating, durable, not easily or quickly controlled or destroyed. Or political power can be viewed as fragile, always dependent for its strength and existence upon replenishment of its sources, by the cooperation of a multitude of institutions and people -- cooperation which may or may not continue."
Indeed, Snowden, Manning and other whistleblowers have demonstrated the fragility of governmental power with their very actions. Hence the government's kneejerk response: They're traitors! They disobeyed and must be punished, because any unofficial leakage of government policy is, by definition, bad for security. Of course the security in question is the security of those in power. The belief that their security is our security is the link that must be broken. As Sharp points out, we don't automatically owe those in power our good will.
Tim Wise, in an excellent essay putting the NSA revelations into context, writes: "Maybe it is time to remind ourselves that the only things worse than what this government and its various law enforcement agencies do in secret, are the things they've been doing blatantly, openly, but only to some, for a long time now."
From a genocidal war against the continent's original inhabitants to the institution of slavery to Jim Crow . . . to Vietnam, Agent Orange, the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, shock and awe bombing, torture, ecocide, drone warfare . . . to the millions of people trapped in our prison gulag . . . the agenda of empire has been going on, with unquestioning public support, for far too long. What the empire fears most is the day that it can no longer take this support for granted. That day is coming.
The view from nowhere.
quote:Glenn Greenwald Previews the Guardian's Next NSA Surveillance Document Leak
Glenn Greenwald previewed a yet-to-be-published document about the National Security Agency surveillance program during a speech at the Socialism 2013 Conference in Chicago on Friday night.
Speaking via Skype (hence the blurry photo above), Greenwald said the Guardian is planning to publish a document showing that new technology allows the National Security Agency to direct one billion cell phone calls every day into its data repositories.
"What we are really talking about here is a globalized system that prevents any form of electronic communication from taking place without its beings stored and monitored by the National Security Agency," Greenwald told the liberal crowd. "It doesn't mean they're listening to every call. It means they're storing every call and have the capacity to listen to them at any time."
In his speech, Greenwald excoriated the press for criticizing former contractor Edward Snowden's decision to leak the NSA documents, saying a climate of fear permeates investigative journalism and cripples the mainstream reporters' ability to speak truth to power.
“In their minds, the only kinds of leaks that are bad are leaks that the government doesn’t want disclosed to the public,” Greenwald said. “The only thing that is journalism to them is when they carry forth the message that has been implanted in their brains by the political officials whom they serve. And I think this behavior highlights the true purpose of establishment journalism more powerfully than anything I or anybody else have ever written.”
The view from nowhere.
Goed dat er steeds meer info boven komt. De onderste steen moet boven komen. De politici kunnen het nu moeilijk meer gaan ontkennen.
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Guardian heeft het artikel alweer weggehaald. Goed dat je het hier hebt neergezetquote:Op zaterdag 29 juni 2013 23:37 schreef Misty_eyes het volgende:
Revealed: secret European deals to hand over private data to America
Germany 'among countries offering intelligence' according to new claims by former US defence analyst.
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Wayne Madsen, an NSA worker for 12 years, has revealed that six EU countries, in addition to the UK, colluded in data harvesting.
At least six European Union countries in addition to Britain have been colluding with the US over the mass harvesting of personal communications data, according to a former contractor to America's National Security Agency, who said the public should not be "kept in the dark".
Wayne Madsen, a former US navy lieutenant who first worked for the NSA in 1985 and over the next 12 years held several sensitive positions within the agency, names Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain and Italy as having secret deals with the US. Madsen said the countries had "formal second and third party status" under signal intelligence (sigint) agreements that compels them to hand over data, including mobile phone and internet information to the NSA if requested.
Under international intelligence agreements, confirmed by declassified documents, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is first party while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy second party relationships. Germany and France have third party relationships. In an interview published last night on the PrivacySurgeon.org blog, Madsen, who has been attacked for holding controversial views on espionage issues, said he had decided to speak out after becoming concerned about the "half story" told by EU politicians regarding the extent of the NSA's activities in Europe.
He said that under the agreements, which were drawn up after the second world war, the "NSA gets the lion's share" of the sigint "take". In return, the third parties to the NSA agreements received "highly sanitised intelligence".
Madsen said he was alarmed at the "sanctimonious outcry" of political leaders who were "feigning shock" about the spying operations while staying silent about their own arrangements with the US, and was particularly concerned that senior German politicians had accused the UK of spying when their country had a similar third-party deal with the NSA.
Although the level of co-operation provided by other European countries to the NSA is not on the same scale as that provided by the UK, the allegations are potentially embarrassing. "I can't understand how Angela Merkel can keep a straight face, demanding assurances from [Barack] Obama and the UK while Germany has entered into those exact relationships," Madsen said.
The Liberal Democrat MEP Baroness Ludford, a senior member of the European parliament's civil liberties, justice and home affairs committee, said Madsen's allegations confirmed that the entire system for monitoring data interception was a mess, because the EU was unable to intervene in intelligence matters, which remained the exclusive concern of national governments.
"The intelligence agencies are exploiting these contradictions and no one is really holding them to account," Ludford said. "It's terribly undermining to liberal democracy."
Madsen's disclosures have prompted calls for European governments to come clean on their arrangements with the NSA. "There needs to be transparency as to whether or not it is legal for the US or any other security service to interrogate private material," said John Cooper QC, a leading international human rights lawyer. "The problem here is that none of these arrangements has been debated in any democratic arena. I agree with William Hague that sometimes things have to be done in secret, but you don't break the law in secret."
Madsen said all seven European countries and the US have access to the Tat 14 fibre-optic cable network running between Denmark and Germany, the Netherlands, France, the UK and the US, allowing them to intercept vast amounts of data, including phone calls, emails and records of users' access to websites. He said the public needed to be made aware of the full scale of the communication-sharing arrangements between European countries and the US, which predate the internet and became of strategic importance during the cold war.
The covert relationship between the countries was first outlined in a 2001 report by the European parliament, but their explicit connection with the NSA was not publicised until Madsen decided to speak out.
The European parliament's report followed revelations that the NSA was conducting a global intelligence-gathering operation, known as Echelon, which appears to have established the framework for European member states to collaborate with the US.
"A lot of this information isn't secret, nor is it new," Madsen said. "It's just that governments have chosen to keep the public in the dark about it. The days when they could get away with a conspiracy of silence are over."
This month another former NSA contractor, Edward Snowden, revealed to the Guardian previously undisclosed US programmes to monitor telephone and internet traffic. The NSA is alleged to have shared some of its data, gathered using a specialist tool called Prism, with Britain's GCHQ.
The Guardian
Nederland dus ook....
[ Bericht 95% gewijzigd door -jos- op 30-06-2013 02:39:56 ]
WEB / [HaxBall #64] Jos is God
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Soms wel en soms is dat niet het geval want de overheid dient jou te vertegenwoordigen.quote:
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De overheid is zelf het grootste veiligheidsrisico.
Denk je dat ik troll, grapjas, nogmaals ik heb er al die jaren geen last van gehad en wie weet hoeveel aanslagen zijn voorkomen, zelfde als met die bodyscanners toentertijd dom gezeik, soms moet je iets overhebben voor wat meer veiligheid.quote:Op zondag 30 juni 2013 01:07 schreef Eyjafjallajoekull het volgende:
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Originaliteit: 2/10
Creativiteit: 3/10
Impact: 2/10
Afgerond een 2. Zeer matige troll.
OT: Nog geen 3 uur na een bericht dat Duitsland het zogenaamd schandalig vind alweer een nieuw bericht dat Duitsland gewoon mee deed. Nou is de kans groot dat het niet een en dezelfde mensen zijn die zulke deals maken en kritiek hebben, maar het blijft weer lekker
Totdat... :quote:
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Soms wel en soms is dat niet het geval want de overheid dient jou te vertegenwoordigen.
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Denk je dat ik troll, grapjas, nogmaals ik heb er al die jaren geen last van gehad en wie weet hoeveel aanslagen zijn voorkomen, zelfde als met die bodyscanners toentertijd dom gezeik, soms moet je iets overhebben voor wat meer veiligheid.
1- Soort 'Hitler' ooit aan de macht komt en ziet dat je 'anti'- nogwat bent.
2- Ziekenfonds wordt in toekomst persoonlijk extreem verhoogd vanwege 'aannemelijke' vermoedens (wat doe jij hier rond deze tijden 'online'?)
3- ...sollicitaties, etc
Kortom, als het om veiligheid zou zijn, dan zouden ze ook geen gegevens van vele mensen jaren lang opslaan.
Het dient uiteraard alleen om veiligheid te gaan, maar wat betreft Amerika wordt het zwaar gecontroleerd door een rechtbank, ze moeten ook elke keer apart toestemming vragen.quote:
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Totdat... :
1- Soort 'Hitler' ooit aan de macht komt en ziet dat je 'anti'- nogwat bent.
2- Ziekenfonds wordt in toekomst persoonlijk extreem verhoogd vanwege 'aannemelijke' vermoedens (wat doe jij hier rond deze tijden 'online'?)
3- ...sollicitaties, etc
Kortom, als het om veiligheid zou zijn, dan zouden ze ook geen gegevens van vele mensen jaren lang opslaan.
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Vertel me alsjeblieft dat je aan het trollen bent. Je herhaalt hier alleen talking points die aantoonbaar onjuist zijn.quote:
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Het dient uiteraard alleen om veiligheid te gaan, maar wat betreft Amerika wordt het zwaar gecontroleerd door het hooggerechtshof, ze moeten ook elke keer apart toestemming vragen.
As the officer took her away, she recalled that she asked,
"Why do you push us around?"
And she remembered him saying,
"I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest."
"Why do you push us around?"
And she remembered him saying,
"I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest."
Ik zou niet weten wat er onjuist is. Dit is veel minder stiekem gebeurd dan jij nu aanneemt.quote:
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Vertel me alsjeblieft dat je aan het trollen bent. Je herhaalt hier alleen talking points die aantoonbaar onjuist zijn.
Troll is obvious.quote:
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Ik zou niet weten wat er onjuist is. Dit is veel minder stiekem gebeurd dan jij nu aanneemt.
WEB / [HaxBall #64] Jos is God
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics.
Meestal is het zo dat als de VS de EU ergens in benadeelt, de EU daar vervolgens niets tegen doet.
Zelden zo'n passieve en slaafse club meegemaakt. Snel die vrije handelszone afronden, nog even dat raketschild in Polen en Tsjechië er doorheen drukken, Assad nog even een streek leveren en we doen net alsof er niets gebeurd is.
Zelden zo'n passieve en slaafse club meegemaakt. Snel die vrije handelszone afronden, nog even dat raketschild in Polen en Tsjechië er doorheen drukken, Assad nog even een streek leveren en we doen net alsof er niets gebeurd is.
Waarschijnlijk een probleem met de official secrets actquote:
Goed dat er steeds meer info boven komt. De onderste steen moet boven komen. De politici kunnen het nu moeilijk meer gaan ontkennen.
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Guardian heeft het artikel alweer weggehaald. Goed dat je het hier hebt neergezet
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
We zouden op zijn minst deze personen een veilige plek moeten bieden. Zij doen wat de overheid had moeten doen maar daar te laf voor is. Nu laten wij mensen die onecht aankaarten in de steek. Dat is hetzelfde als je grond beginselen verlaten.quote:Op zaterdag 29 juni 2013 23:38 schreef Tocadisco het volgende:
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We doen er niks aan omdat het nog geen directe voelbare invloed heeft op ons (veel meer dan ongemakkelijk is afgeluisterd worden niet). Als een op een gegeven moment bijv. zou blijken dat ze PRISM hebben gebruikt om Amerikaanse bedrijven een concurentievoordeel ten opzichte van Europese/Chinese bedrijven te geven zul je waarschijnlijk wel een hevigere reactie zien, juist omdat er dan wel merkbare schade is.
