Buitenlandse reacties op Birds

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Op maandag 11 maart 2013 23:44 schreef Greys het volgende:
Nou dat Italië er bij zit vind ik stiekem toch wel lekker

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Op dinsdag 12 maart 2013 00:28 schreef TheVulture het volgende:
Ik ben benieuwd of Perez Hilton haar lied nog gaat oppikken... die was altijd fan van haar

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I hope I don't put an Owen-jinx on this but Ladies and Gentlemen I think we might have a winner.... This lends itself to a fantasticly climactic stage performance! I agree with Ben, I wish that Eurovision was more like this, proper classy music with quality singers and few or no gimmicks (both musically and on the stage). Netherlands this is your moment, please don't arse it up with some cheap stage performance! I SOOOO want to go to Amsterdam next year!

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Op dinsdag 12 maart 2013 00:14 schreef Greys het volgende:
Deze keer mogen jullie het ECHT niet missen he!
In een afgehuurde supergezellige Rotterdamse kroeg (gratis parkeren! 2 min lopen vanaf metro dus goed met OV bereikbaar!) gezamenlijk de halve finale kijken op groot scherm.
Zo tof heb je nog nooit het songfestival gekeken

ESF / [MEET] Birds is the word! 14/5 #2

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Op dinsdag 12 maart 2013 11:31 schreef Greys het volgende:

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Het leuke is, het heeft in dit geval echt geen bal met FOK! PR te maken, ik was bij de eerdere ESF meets en het is echt zóveel toffer om het Eurovisie met een groep op groot scherm te kijken dan in je eentje voor de buis

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Op dinsdag 12 maart 2013 11:34 schreef Greys het volgende:

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Bijna!
En Chips komt ook!

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Op dinsdag 12 maart 2013 11:31 schreef Greys het volgende:

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Het leuke is, het heeft in dit geval echt geen bal met FOK! PR te maken, ik was bij de eerdere ESF meets en het is echt zóveel toffer om het Eurovisie met een groep op groot scherm te kijken dan in je eentje voor de buis

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Op dinsdag 12 maart 2013 00:47 schreef grazz het volgende:
Deze stond op ESCtoday

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Op dinsdag 12 maart 2013 11:54 schreef TheVulture het volgende:

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Ja maar he, en wie fokt er dan hier mee tijdens de live-uitzendingen?

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Op dinsdag 12 maart 2013 13:11 schreef Takaiki het volgende:

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Je zou versteld staan

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This year the Netherlands must be able to make it to the final!! Otherwise, I pissed on their behalf!! .... biggrin.gif But seriously they deserve it real this year!!! Thus, basta!! Flink, experienced artist with a good voice and stage win, fine tune, and it builds up throughout the song. song is not exactly catchy and one first associates with Eurovision, so I think at least that they deserve a chance in the finals! It stands out in a positive way for me. And I do not think it sounds so ancient like many others here, of course with some retro touches here and there, but nice mixed with more modern tonga collector. Thumbs up for Anouk and the Netherlands!! Fingers crossed it and going to give it a vote or more when it takes it to the final!! If it does not take the final, I'm going to start a sorgeuke, fixed to boycott ESC throughout the 3 days prostest against the ESC .... biggrin.gif It would be a scandal and I'm going to be greatly angered at the injustice that some countries are subjected to year after year, with the Netherlands as one of the best examples of it! I'm afraid that the Netherlands will withdraw next year even if they do not go ahead this year AGAIN!!

HEIA Netherlands!!

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Eurovision 2013: How will 'Birds' fly for the Netherlands?
Posted by Daniel

In the year that Bonnie Tyler is representing the UK, punters are clearly ‘Holding Out For A Hero’ in the Eurovision ante-post market. The latest great white hope is Anouk from the Netherlands, after her song ‘Birds’ was revealed on Dutch radio today. You can listen to it here.

She’s been backed into a general 10-1 to reverse nearly 40 years of hurt for the Dutch – their last Eurovision victory was in 1975. This price looks even more remarkable when you consider how heartily the Dutch would celebrate mere qualification to the final, a feat which they haven’t managed since 2004. Failure to get there this time would be a great disappointment given Anouk is one of their biggest names.

This is the first preview article written since the Eurovision community woke up to a significant rule change for this year. In the past, the awarding of each country’s points was decided by combining that country’s televote 12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 with the national jury’s 12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 to determine the finishing order of the combined top ten. This year, the jurors will be asked to rank all of the songs, from first to last, and those rankings will be combined with the televote first-to-last ranking to determine the finishing order. Viewers at home won’t notice any difference, but it creates a huge headache for punters.

‘Birds’ is a good example of why.

Let’s start with an opinion on the song, which is a melancholic ballad featuring an atmospheric combination of Anouk’s smokey vocals and some lovely instrumentation. Having said that, I think the verses tend to drag and are not melodic enough, though the refrain in the chorus lifts it.

It’s a shame the child choir that provides a suitable backing in the final third can’t be replicated exactly as it is in Malmo (no pre-recorded vocals are allowed and the minimum age for Eurovision is 16) but other vocalists can at least step in.

In the Sofabet comments, Tim B sums up what is the feeling of many about how the song will fare: “Anouk has a charming and haunting quality to her voice that I’m sure the juries will go for. Unfortunately, I think televoters will largely ignore it.”

I don’t disagree with that. ‘Jury bait’ was the phrase that came to mind when I first heard it. I don’t think it’s televote-friendly enough to win in May.

Tim is even unsure of its qualification hopes. One disadvantage in the semi is that Anouk is up against a plethora of other slowish numbers, many of them featuring female soloists. There are rather a lot of them in the first half of the first heat in which the Netherlands has been drawn, including Austria, Estonia, Russia and Ukraine. Slovenia is the only truly uptempo number among these first eight entries.

In the Netherlands’ favour, this semi is slightly more ‘western’ in feel and includes Belgium. I would hope that a song of the quality of ‘Birds’ would get one of the top ten places in a weak field of 16. At this stage, I don’t think the entries from Ireland, Slovenia, Lithuania, Cyprus, Estonia and Austria are particularly strong. We are yet to hear the final version of Belgium or the Moldovan and Montenegrin entries. None of these countries have a big, guaranteed televote to rely on either.

In these circumstances, I would normally have said that a very high jury score for Anouk should be enough in itself to get it to the final, and then to get at least a respectable number of points on the board on Saturday night. But this year’s rule change makes it much harder to be confident about any of this.

The beauty of the old system was that you had to guess only the top ten of televoters and jurors in each country. Allies and diaspora helped fill in some of the televote jigsaw, whilst we have got used to working out the more earnest and/or vocally superior songs that juries tended to put in their top ten.

What we haven’t had to do is worry about who comes eleventh onwards with either constituency. Now we do. Imagine a song in the final that comes eleventh with a particular country’s jurors and eleventh with its televoters. That gives it a ranking of (11 + 11 =) 22. Under the old system, it would have got no points. Under the new system, it would finish above a song that comes first with jurors but 25th with televoters, giving a combined ranking of (1 + 25 =) 26.

In the past, if punters considered that a song like ‘Birds’ was unlikely to make the top ten in a country’s televote, they simply didn’t have to think any more about it. It didn’t matter whether it was likely to finish 11th, 20th or 25th. Now, it’s imperative for us to figure out if we’re likely to be looking at mid-table mediocrity or bottom of the pile.

I should point out that this is relatively less important in a semi of 15 rivals than a final of 25 rivals. The difference between an 11th finish and a 15th finish is obviously less stark than the difference between an 11th finish and a 25th finish. That’s another reason to be hopeful of Anouk’s qualification chances.

We have to ask ourselves, how would this rule change have played out in previous years? There are recent examples of songs that were jury bait in the same way that Anouk’s promises to be: Patricia Kaas for France in 2009 springs to mind. Plenty of jurors clearly put her in their top five. Ordinary viewers largely failed to put her in each televote top ten. The question we cannot answer but would like to know is: to what extent were televoters ignoring it?

If this example – well performed, but not ideal for a Saturday-night Eurovision audience – was finishing just below the top ten in general televotes, then combining that with a high jury ranking would see it pick up plenty of points under the new system. But if it was regularly down in the televote bottom five, it would score badly with the rule change.

My own guess at answering the new and vexed question of 11th-to-last in the televote is that blandness is the kiss of death – you’ve got more chance of getting a smattering of votes if you’re attention-grabbingly awful than if you’re completely forgettable. Belgium’s derisory televote score in last year’s semi is an illustration. It was a nice enough song with a nice enough performance, on which basis I incorrectly thought it would qualify. But in hindsight, televoters clearly found the whole package as bland as Iris’s white dress.

What makes this new system such a conundrum for punters is that the exact reverse applies when it comes to juries – it seems likely that the attention-grabbingly awful songs are going to be marked right down at the bottom of jurors’ scoresheets, while the bland and forgettable songs are going to fill the middle of the jurors’ table.

Back to ‘Birds’, and how low it finishes in national televotes may come down to where it lies on a spectrum of blandness against its rivals. And it has to be said there’s a lot of beige in this year’s contest. In order to distinguish oneself in these circumstances, much will depend on presentation and the stage presence of the artist in question. The rehearsal period will obviously tell us more about this, though staging has not been a strong point for the Netherlands in the past.

A kind draw in the final would also help a great deal. Patricia Kaas was not lucky in this respect. There is an argument that if Anouk is in the final, she could be very well treated by the Swedish producers who decide the running order. She’s a big name in her country, which just so happens to be one of the bigger contributors to the EBU. The Netherlands has been staunchly loyal to the contest despite a run of bad results. If politics enter it at all, even sub-consciously, that could mean a last-ballad-in-the-final penultimate slot.

In the circumstances, whilst I think ‘Birds’ is far too short in the win market, I’m not looking to lay it in the top ten market despite being sceptical of its televote appeal.

What do you think of ‘Birds’ and its chances in Malmo, and how is the rule change affecting your strategy now that you’ve had a few days to digest it? Do let us know below.

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As a mini survey (and as it’s top of my fave song list) I got family and friends to listen to it (this covers a wide range of countries!), and all were in agreement that it’s a great song and they’d have it on their i-pod/phones etc..so maybe a lot of points from around Europe?! (survey included relatives in South Africa too who also gave it douze points!) :-) , and 99% are not ESC fans!

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Op dinsdag 12 maart 2013 19:47 schreef Maarten-Pieter het volgende:
Ik heb nog niet alles in volgorde beluisterd, maar ik moet er echt aan wennen dat we gewoon een hele goede kans hebben om naar de finale te gaan!

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Holy crap, Netherlands, where did you get this from? After the disaster that brought up Sieneke, did anyone expect anything remarkable from this country again? I mean, I thought Joan Franka was cute, but that song was a hard sell.

This year, they decided to skip past voting, and just picked internally. And honestly, this year has been quite a mess for national finals, Sweden has international juries (why?) overruling their public vote, Belarus doesn't understand the point at all, Bulgaria clearly doesn't trust it's public, and there's plagiarism accusations flying everywhere, along with superfluous dancers and Loreen, who, like all winners, is at far too many of these things and becoming quite irritating with her pretentious dancing.

I cannot say enough nice things about this song. It's a classy and grown-up ballad that doesn't have some stupid cliche of shining love light bright eyed hearts because of youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu at the centre. Look at those lyrics.
It's freaking poetry people. Last year we had the fake 'arty' winner. Now let's have the proper one. Amsterdam 2014!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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I don’t understand why people fail to see the highest winning chances in NETHERLANDS this year !
It’s the only entry so far that comes as a breath of fresh air , oozing class and distinctness in a sea of blandness and averageness !

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opa_greek from Greece
If Loreen took 372 points Anouk will take 472!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Netherlands will lose the finals once more,i will never NEVER NEVER watch ESC again!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MASTERPIECE

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Op woensdag 13 maart 2013 13:23 schreef Greys het volgende:

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Gelijk met Bonnie Tyler vind ik dan weer een belediging

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Op woensdag 13 maart 2013 14:51 schreef Greys het volgende:
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Zo, Engeland een 1 en Birds een 10

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Op woensdag 13 maart 2013 14:51 schreef Greys het volgende:
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Zo, Engeland een 1 en Birds een 10

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Op woensdag 13 maart 2013 15:02 schreef Fascination het volgende:
Maar dan heeft die lijst toch geen waarde meer als wij allemaal op Anouk gaan stemmen?

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Op woensdag 13 maart 2013 20:37 schreef Fred_B het volgende:
En wat is er mooier dan aangekondigd te worden als één van de favorieten in de polls

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Op woensdag 13 maart 2013 13:23 schreef Greys het volgende:

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Gelijk met Bonnie Tyler vind ik dan weer een belediging