Doping #70 De doping of de gladiolen

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2013 14:01 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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Dan lees je toch echt verkeerd, want veroordelen hoort bij criminelen en dat zijn ze niet, ze zijn eindgebruiker en overtreden sportregels.
De media gebruikt de woorden als, bekennen, bekentenis, veroordeelt voor. en jij neemt dat als een schaap over. sterker nog jij veroordeelt zelfs mij nog.
Ik heb al vaker gezegd, dat we hier niet in de rechtbank zijn of op het juridische forum.
Jij bent echt weer zo'n achteraf prater, als er weer eens iets in de krant verschijnt over doping.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2013 15:21 schreef Komakie het volgende:

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Zoek veroordelen een keer op in het woordenboek

Ik neem helemaal niets over. Ik bekijk feiten en vermoedens en ga bij vermoedens niet zeggen "Oh die heeft doping gebruikt". (Ik zal speciaal het woord veroordelen voor je niet gebruiken)
Ik kan sowieso moeilijk over iets gaan praten waar ik helemaal niets over weet. Dus de krant is inderdaad een medium waar ik een gedeelte van de kennis vandaan haal. Net als dat dit topic dat ook is.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2013 15:55 schreef DeeBee het volgende:

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Laat gaan... Die discussie is al 10x gevoerd hier, heeft het topic even zoveel keren vervuild, er is gewoon geen nuance aan te brengen bij hem op dat vlak...

On-topic: die verklaringen van Basso vandaag, haha.

Net zo 'geloofwaardig' als al die toppers die ineens zomaar stopten met gebruiken rond 2006 / 2007...

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Cruijff: 'Matchfixing? Het blijft elf tegen elf'


Het is Cruijff niet ontgaan dat er momenteel veel te doen is over matchfixing en de macht van het grote geld in het voetbal. Hij zou Cruijff niet zijn als hij daar geen simpele oplossing voor heeft. "Hoe je het wendt of keert: het blijft elf tegen elf. Je moet gewoon zorgen dat jij de beste elf hebt."

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2013 16:43 schreef Steven184 het volgende:

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Misschien moeten we deze man eens op het dopingprobleem zetten

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2013 16:43 schreef Steven184 het volgende:

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Misschien moeten we deze man eens op het dopingprobleem zetten

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2013 16:51 schreef debeterebob het volgende:

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Of Frank 'in het voetbal zijn geen homo's' de Boer :p

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2013 17:17 schreef thettes het volgende:

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Dat is ook wel heel erg he, het is gewoon domheid en niet eens echt slecht bedoeld. Zo gaan ze ook met doping om in het voetbal. Volgens mij realiseren vele spelers zich niet eens dat ze misschien ooit doping hebben gebruikt door een clubarts of iets dergelijks.

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Gazzetta dello Sport takes aim at Ivan Basso as it publishes doping 'evidence'

Italian rider says he started working with Fuentes in 2005 and never actiualy took PEDs; Italian sports daily claims otherwise


Italian newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport has today published documentation it says it has obtained from the Operacion Puerto investigation that it claims proves that Ivan Basso was working with Spanish doctor Eufemiano Fuentes as early as 2003, contrary to testimony provided yesterday by the Cannondale rider himself during the trial in Madrid of Fuentes and others accused of public health offences.

Giving evidence by video link from Tenerife, where he is training, Basso, banned for two years in 2007 for his links to the doping scandal, repeated the claim he made then that he never actually doped, but only planned to do so.

He also said that while he had met Fuentes for the first time while training in the Canaries in the winter of 2001/02, it was only in late 2005 that he actually engaged the services of the doctor for a planned doping programme for the 2006 season that he hoped would bring him Tour de France success.

Basso would not ride that race, excluded after he was linked to Operacion Puerto in the run-up to the Tour.

However, the Gazzetta dello Sport, which at the weekend levelled detailed accusations at former world champion Mario Cipollini, denied by his lawyer, has in effect accused Basso of lying under oath.

In its print edition today, the Milan-based sports daily published images of handwritten notes claimed to in Fuentes’s handwritten and to date from 2003 and 2004 and which it says provide evidence of Basso’s blood doping and use of other banned substances including EPO.

Yesterday’s proceedings saw a sharp contrast between the level of disclosure made by the first two cyclists to give testimony, with Basso’s evidence preceded by the now retired Jörg Jaksche giving comprehensive and damning details of his own drug use.

Jaksche, now aged 36 and who admitted doping in 2007, had been one of the key witnesses in the United States Anti-Doping Agency’s investigation against Lance Armstrong. At the time the Operacion Puerto scandal broke in 2006, he was riding for the Liberty Seguros team and had been due to ride the Tour de France prior to the team’s exclusion.

Jaksche spent four hours detailing his dealings with the doctor. Quoted in The Guardian, Jaskche gave an in-depth explanation of how Fuentes went about conducting blood transfusions, outlining 15 separate occasions in 2005 and 2006 when he had been subject to such procedures or administered performance enhancing substances.

"Blood was first extracted, then a month later some more was extracted, then the old removed blood would be transfused," he explained. "This would allow my blood levels to be restored."

Fuentes, he said, used the map in the official guide to the Tour de France to co-ordinate where he had arranged to meet riders clandestinely while on the race, so heavily covered in notes that you could "barely make out the shape of France."

The hurried nature of some transfusions also had side-effects, said Jaksche. "Sometimes when we were in a hurry and the blood bag hadn't reached the right temperature, my arm would get cold and when I got home I wouldn't feel too well."

While Fuentes has claimed that the blood doping procedures he used to treat riders were conducted solely in the interests of health, the German ex-pro was adamant that improved performance was the goal.

He also said that he had been treated in Germany by an associate of Fuentes, whom he named as Markus Choina, a Polish doctor who has been linked to alleged doping at the Spanish football club, Real Sociedad.

Jaksche also said that to begin with, he was under the impression that his team would settle with Fuentes for the treatment he was receiving, but over time it became clear that he was expected to pay – relatively small sums at the outset, but escalating to ¤4,000 for a single bag of blood to be transfused. He added that Fuentes offered a discount for two bags.

Basso, too, admitted making payments to Fuentes - ¤15,000 of an agreed total of ¤70,000 for a programme drawn up in 2005 aimed at helping him win the 2006 Tour de France, interrupted after the Guardia Civil raided Fuentes’s clinic and the Operacion Puerto scandal broke.

The Italian, riding for CSC, where he had been a team mate of Jaksche in 2004, had finished runner-up to Armstrong in the 2005 Tour – a title the American has of course been stripped of – and wanted to maximise his chances of winning the 2006 race.

"I contacted Dr Fuentes because his system could give me an advantage in cycling," he admitted yesterday, giving testimony by videolink from Tenerife.

"I acknowledge that on my account it was a weakness, a weakness so as to pursue a dream to win [the Tour]," adding that he withheld his dealings with Fuentes from his family and team.

Besides Basso’s insistence that he only planned to dope and never actually submitted himself to any of the treatments that Fuentes had planned for him, there is one big unanswered question.

Five weeks prior to that planned assault on the Tour de France in 2006, Basso had convincingly won the Giro d’Italia. The Tour and Giro double had previously been achieved by Marco Pantani in 1998, victories almost certainly achieved through doping. No-one has achieved the Tour and Giro double in the same year since then.

If Basso is to be believed, he drew up a plan with Fuentes in late 2005 to artificially enhance his performance at the Tour de France the following year, but that programme wouldn’t have included the Giro, which finished a month before the Tour began, and several months after he says the pair began collaborating.

It's a claim it seems valid to treat with a fair degree of scepticism.

There’s one thing that Basso and Jaksche do have in common though when it comes to Operacion Puerto – in both cases, the codename Fuentes assigned to them was that of their pet dogs, Birillo in the Italian’s case, Bella for the German.

It probably seemed a cute idea at the time. But if there’s one thing any dog owner knows, it’s that our canine friends aren’t in the Lance Armstrong league when it comes to hiding their guilt and brazening things out.

While the riders respective dogs are of course entirely innocent here, their names on Fuentes’s paperwork gave investigators as sure a sign that something was amiss as when you come home to be greeted by a pup with its ears pinned back, an imploring look in its eyes, and a trail of destruction behind it.

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2013 15:55 schreef DeeBee het volgende:

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Laat gaan... Die discussie is al 10x gevoerd hier, heeft het topic even zoveel keren vervuild, er is gewoon geen nuance aan te brengen bij hem op dat vlak...

On-topic: die verklaringen van Basso vandaag, haha.

Net zo 'geloofwaardig' als al die toppers die ineens zomaar stopten met gebruiken rond 2006 / 2007...

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2013 20:57 schreef THEFXR het volgende:

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Denk maar eens aan nuance als een prof sporter weer eens staat liegen in de media, alsof het gedrukt staat...

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Op dinsdag 12 februari 2013 15:55 schreef DeeBee het volgende:

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Laat gaan... Die discussie is al 10x gevoerd hier, heeft het topic even zoveel keren vervuild, er is gewoon geen nuance aan te brengen bij hem op dat vlak...

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On-topic: die verklaringen van Basso vandaag, haha.

Net zo 'geloofwaardig' als al die toppers die ineens zomaar stopten met gebruiken rond 2006 / 2007...

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Lampre Merida confirms Scarponi is currently suspended, meeting about his future set to take place soon

Italian remains under cloud despite expiration of CONI ban

Missing from the Lampre roster thus far in 2013 and indeed from all recent team photographs, the Italian team has confirmed that Michele Scarponi is currently sidelined from the team over his links with Dr. Michelle Ferrari and faces a crucial meeting very soon.

“He has been suspended by the team since last October, due to the links to Michele Ferrari,” team spokesman Andrea Appiani told VeloNation today. “He is in a standby and in the next days there will be a meeting between him and team management. There will be a decision on how the situation could evolve.”

In December Scarponi was handed a three month ban by the anti-doping tribunal of the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI), which had found him guilty of working with Ferrari despite rules blocking Italian athletes from using his services.

“I honestly didn’t think I was doing anything wrong,” he told La Gazzetta dello Sport then. “I accept the verdict of three months. It was the lightest punishment, but I was hoping that they could do something less or even nothing.”

In fact, the suspension was close to nothing, given that it was mostly backdated in running from October 1st until December 31st.

“I accept this sanction and I'll be back in the New Year. The ruling will not affect my next season,” he insisted at the time.

However that has not been the case: a month and a half into the new season, Scarponi has played no part in team activities thus far, and it appears far from certain that he will in the future.

Asked if he could end up leaving the team, Appiani said that had to be determined. “At the moment I don’t know – there will be a meeting to understand how to evolve the situation.”

He said that the meeting would either take place by Friday or at the beginning of next week. At that point in time it will become clear if Scarponi – who was awarded the 2011 Giro d’Italia title after Alberto Contador was stripped of victory by the Court of Arbitration for Sport – will be on the market again.

Meanwhile Radsport News has reported that Joaquim Rodriguez is on the wish list of the Italian team. The 2012 UCI WorldTour champion is currently contracted to Katusha but is uncertain about his future programme due to the fact that the Russian team was refused a WorldTour licence in December.

CAS is due to issue its ruling on the matter soon, clarifying things for the team. If it is unsuccessful in its appeal, Rodriguez will have no guarantee of riding the Tour de France and other top races and will have to rely on Katusha getting wildcard invitations.

If Lampre Merida drops Scarponi and successfully bids for him, though, he would take a leadership role and be part of a team with assured entry to the top events.

Read more: http://www.velonation.com(...)n.aspx#ixzz2KmQpPl00

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2013 11:29 schreef Komakie het volgende:
Ja, of renners die zeggen dat ze veel slechter reden dan op het moment dat ze niet gebruikten dus dat ze het maar niet meer gedaan hebben daarna

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2013 13:18 schreef OProg het volgende:

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De postduif.

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TourDeJose twitterde op woensdag 13-02-2013 om 13:06:45 #Fuentes update. Kelme DS asked riders to donate money for the messenger pigeon to transport drugs through France! #motomanpart2 reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2013 13:23 schreef Szura het volgende:
Volgens Manzano werd het bloed in de Tour in lege pakken wijn vervoerd door Alberto Leon

Dat er geen doden zijn gevallen