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Ha! Hier moest ik even glimlachen. 'One nation under God'.quote:Op dinsdag 20 november 2012 15:41 schreef Serieus_Persoon het volgende:
Omdat het Ottomaanse rijk zich profileerde als islamitische staat in hun diverse oorlogen en de VS zich niet profileerde als christelijke staat.
Niet expliciet, maar uiteraard wel als voorvechter van christelijke waarden en vooral tegen het goddeloze communisme. Amerika is natuurlijk niet te vergelijken met een islamitisch land als Iran, maar de VS is bepaald geen seculiere staat.quote:De VS ging de Vietnamoorlog niet in als voorvechter van het christendom.
Afhankelijk van de context.quote:
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Onzin, Jodendom schrijven we hier ook netjes met een hoofdletter.
Ze gingen erin als voorvechter van democratie.quote:Op dinsdag 20 november 2012 15:46 schreef Sloggi het volgende:
Ha! Hier moest ik even glimlachen. 'One nation under God'.
Niet expliciet, maar uiteraard wel als voorvechter van christelijke waarden en vooral tegen het goddeloze communisme. Amerika is natuurlijk niet te vergelijken met een islamitisch land als Iran, maar de VS is bepaald geen seculiere staat.
Question authorities, fuck religion, educate yourself, Viva el individualismo!
There's only one way of life, and that's your own!
There's only one way of life, and that's your own!
Dit.quote:
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Ze gingen erin als voorvechter van democratie.
Maar toch een totaal nutteloze oorlog voeren om zogenaamd het enge communisme tegen te houden, dat kun je niet echt 'volwassen' noemen.quote:
Omdat het Ottomaanse rijk zich profileerde als islamitische staat in hun diverse oorlogen en de VS zich niet profileerde als christelijke staat.
De VS ging de Vietnamoorlog, bijvoorbeeld, niet in als voorvechter van het christendom.
Klopt.quote:
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Ze gingen erin als voorvechter van democratie.
Ik weet niet of de Vietnam-oorlog zo nutteloos was. Andere discussie.quote:
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Maar toch een totaal nutteloze oorlog voeren om zogenaamd het enge communisme tegen te houden, dat kun je niet echt 'volwassen' noemen.
Misschien...heb ik nog wat te kijken tijdens het chips eten..
"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in."
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in."
IDF drops leaflets on north Gaza urging evacuation
By YAAKOV LAPPINLAST UPDATED: 11/20/2012 16:39
The IDF on Tuesday afternoon dropped leaflets on northern and eastern Gaza instructing civilians to evacuate to the center of the Strip Gaza immediately.
"For your safety, you are requested to evacuate your homes immediately and head towards central Gaza City," the leaflet read.
The warnings come on a make-or-break day for a possible ceasefire or ground offensive into Gaza. (Jerusalem Post)
By YAAKOV LAPPINLAST UPDATED: 11/20/2012 16:39
The IDF on Tuesday afternoon dropped leaflets on northern and eastern Gaza instructing civilians to evacuate to the center of the Strip Gaza immediately.
"For your safety, you are requested to evacuate your homes immediately and head towards central Gaza City," the leaflet read.
The warnings come on a make-or-break day for a possible ceasefire or ground offensive into Gaza. (Jerusalem Post)
En zometeen gaat Israel zeggen dat de burgerdoden eigen schuld zijn, want ze hadden gewaarschuwd. 
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Denk het wel. Feitelijk moet Israel gewoon eenmaal per zoveel jaar de infrastructuur van alle vijanden vernietigen. Door niet te vechten wordt de Hamas alleen maar sterker en sterker.quote:
Ok maar wat gaat Israel doen; alsnog een grondoffensief beginnen?
Gunmen kill six alleged collaborators in Gaza
By REUTERS11/20/2012 16:54
GAZA - Palestinian gunmen shot dead six alleged collaborators in the Gaza Strip who "were caught red-handed," according to a security source quoted by the Hamas Aqsa radio on Tuesday.
"They possessed hi-tech equipment and filming equipment to take footage of positions," it said.
The Hamas radio said the men, who were suspected of working for Israel, were shot. It did not elaborate.
Gunmen chained the body of one of the alleged collaborators to a motorcycle and dragged it throughout the main streets of Gaza City. (Jerusalem Post)
By REUTERS11/20/2012 16:54
GAZA - Palestinian gunmen shot dead six alleged collaborators in the Gaza Strip who "were caught red-handed," according to a security source quoted by the Hamas Aqsa radio on Tuesday.
"They possessed hi-tech equipment and filming equipment to take footage of positions," it said.
The Hamas radio said the men, who were suspected of working for Israel, were shot. It did not elaborate.
Gunmen chained the body of one of the alleged collaborators to a motorcycle and dragged it throughout the main streets of Gaza City. (Jerusalem Post)
Lekker geciviliseerd weer....quote:
Gunmen kill six alleged collaborators in Gaza
By REUTERS11/20/2012 16:54
Gunmen chained the body of one of the alleged collaborators to a motorcycle and dragged it throughout the main streets of Gaza City. (Jerusalem Post)
Ah, jij kunt zaken door elkaar halen nog beter als ik.quote:Op dinsdag 20 november 2012 15:24 schreef Sloggi het volgende:
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Erg volwassen ja, WOII, Joegoslavi, Vietnam en zo nog wat grootscheepse slachtpartijen hier en daar.
Op vrijdag 6 januari 2012 23:32 schreef remlof het volgende:
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
Je haalt als en dan door elkaar.quote:
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Ah, jij kunt zaken door elkaar halen nog beter als ik.
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Gunmen kill six alleged collaborators in Gaza
By REUTERS11/20/2012 16:54
GAZA - Palestinian gunmen shot dead six alleged collaborators in the Gaza Strip who "were caught red-handed," according to a security source quoted by the Hamas Aqsa radio on Tuesday.
"They possessed hi-tech equipment and filming equipment to take footage of positions," it said.
The Hamas radio said the men, who were suspected of working for Israel, were shot. It did not elaborate.
Gunmen chained the body of one of the alleged collaborators to a motorcycle and dragged it throughout the main streets of Gaza City. (Jerusalem Post)
All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers. ~Franois Fnelon
Haaretz: http://www.haaretz.com/ne(...)mas.premium-1.479299
Lieberman to UN chief: Urging Israel to avoid ground offensive bolsters Hamas
Ban Ki-moon arrives in Israel as part of an extensive diplomatic push, aimed at bringing Israel and Hamas to hold their fire; Hillary Clinton to land later in the day.
By Barak Ravid | Nov.20, 2012
A possible ground offense in the Gaza Strip would be much harsher than the limited operation Israel has undertaken thus far, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman told United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon in Jerusalem on Tuesday.
The foreign minister also warned the UN chief that diplomatic efforts geared at convincing Israel to refrain from such action would only serve to bolster Hamas.
The UN chief arrived in Israel as part of an extensive and international diplomatic push meant to bring Israel and Hamas to a cease-fire. Ban moved up his arrival in Israel after his meeting with Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi was canceled due to the death of the latter's sister.
Ban met with the Egyptian foreign minister and with the chief of intelligence and discussed with them contacts regarding a cease-fire.
Immediately after landing in Israel, Ban met Lieberman, and in the eveningis scheduled to meet with President Shimon Peres. Another senior official who arrived in Israel on Monday was German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, who also met with Netanyahu and Peres on Tuesday morning.
Speaking to Ban, Lieberman said that if Israel elected to embark on a ground offensive in Gaza, "it wouldn't be a limited operation, like a Pillar of Defense II, but more like an Operation Defensive Shield II," referring to Israel's comprehensive actions in the West Bank during the Second Intifada.
"Comments and public declarations, urging Israel to refrain from a ground offensive, bolster Hamas and lengthen the current conflict," Lieberman said.
Ban arrived at the capital just as a rocket alert was sounded, after Gaza militants fired two rockets at the Jerusalem area. The UN chief, however, was in transit and did not hear the alarm.
Diplomatic efforts will reach a peak Tuesday evening, when U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will arrive in Israel directly from Cambodia, after accompanying U.S. President Barack Obama on his visit to Southeast Asia.
Clinton will hold a series of meetings on Wednesday. She will meet in Jerusalem with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Peres, Lieberman and Defense Minister Ehud Barak. The U.S. secretary of state will also go to Ramallah, where she will meet with Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) and with Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.
Together with Obama, Clinton has conducted intensive telephone diplomacy over the past two days with the foreign ministers of Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Qatar, France and other countries. Clinton and National Security Adviser Thomas Donilon have been in regular contact with U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro and U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson, and even conducted video conference calls with them from Air Force 1.
Meanwhile, on Monday evening, Obama contacted Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi and asked him to continue his efforts to achieve a cease-fire. Immediately afterwards, Obama called Netanyahu, heard updates from him and asked him to give more time to the Egyptian mediation efforts before intensifying the campaign in Gaza. In all their conversations, Obama and Clinton asked the leaders in the region to exercise their influence on Hamas to stop the firing of rockets.
At the same time, in Cairo preparations are being made for a crucial meeting between representatives of Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Egyptian intelligence officials who are mediating between the organizations and Israel. Haaretz has discovered that the Hamas political leader Khaled Meshal, and Islamic Jihad Secretary General Ramadan Shallah, are expected to meet again Tuesday morning with the chief of Egyptian intelligence, Raafat Shehata and his staff in an attempt to sum up the final details of the cease-fire agreement.
During the meeting the two are supposed to give their consent to the wording of the cease-fire agreement and to discuss final disputes. In effect, if they give their consent, at the end of the meeting a cease-fire between the sides will be declared. The two are supposed to approve the final version of the proposal that Israel sent to Egypt in the wake of Monday night's meeting of the forum of nine senior Israeli ministers.
On Tuesday morning, after more than four hours of nighttime discussion, the ministers of the security cabinet decided to continue to allow time for the Egyptian mediation efforts, in order to try to reach a cease-fire. At the meeting the assessment was that exhausting the diplomatic process vis--vis Egypt and the international community would give Israel greater legitimacy to launch a ground operation in Gaza if discussions of the cease fire reach a dead end.
An Israeli political source said that the Israel Defense Forces continue to operate in the Gaza Strip in accordance with the defined objectives of the operation, "but before making a decision about a ground operation the prime minister intends to exhaust the diplomatic process in order to examine the possibility of achieving a long-term cease fire." The source noted that Israel prefers to achieve the objectives of the operation without entering Gaza, "but if there's no choice we'll do it, and the IDF is prepared for that."
Lieberman to UN chief: Urging Israel to avoid ground offensive bolsters Hamas
Ban Ki-moon arrives in Israel as part of an extensive diplomatic push, aimed at bringing Israel and Hamas to hold their fire; Hillary Clinton to land later in the day.
By Barak Ravid | Nov.20, 2012
A possible ground offense in the Gaza Strip would be much harsher than the limited operation Israel has undertaken thus far, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman told United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon in Jerusalem on Tuesday.
The foreign minister also warned the UN chief that diplomatic efforts geared at convincing Israel to refrain from such action would only serve to bolster Hamas.
The UN chief arrived in Israel as part of an extensive and international diplomatic push meant to bring Israel and Hamas to a cease-fire. Ban moved up his arrival in Israel after his meeting with Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi was canceled due to the death of the latter's sister.
Ban met with the Egyptian foreign minister and with the chief of intelligence and discussed with them contacts regarding a cease-fire.
Immediately after landing in Israel, Ban met Lieberman, and in the eveningis scheduled to meet with President Shimon Peres. Another senior official who arrived in Israel on Monday was German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, who also met with Netanyahu and Peres on Tuesday morning.
Speaking to Ban, Lieberman said that if Israel elected to embark on a ground offensive in Gaza, "it wouldn't be a limited operation, like a Pillar of Defense II, but more like an Operation Defensive Shield II," referring to Israel's comprehensive actions in the West Bank during the Second Intifada.
"Comments and public declarations, urging Israel to refrain from a ground offensive, bolster Hamas and lengthen the current conflict," Lieberman said.
Ban arrived at the capital just as a rocket alert was sounded, after Gaza militants fired two rockets at the Jerusalem area. The UN chief, however, was in transit and did not hear the alarm.
Diplomatic efforts will reach a peak Tuesday evening, when U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will arrive in Israel directly from Cambodia, after accompanying U.S. President Barack Obama on his visit to Southeast Asia.
Clinton will hold a series of meetings on Wednesday. She will meet in Jerusalem with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Peres, Lieberman and Defense Minister Ehud Barak. The U.S. secretary of state will also go to Ramallah, where she will meet with Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) and with Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.
Together with Obama, Clinton has conducted intensive telephone diplomacy over the past two days with the foreign ministers of Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Qatar, France and other countries. Clinton and National Security Adviser Thomas Donilon have been in regular contact with U.S. Ambassador to Israel Dan Shapiro and U.S. Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson, and even conducted video conference calls with them from Air Force 1.
Meanwhile, on Monday evening, Obama contacted Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi and asked him to continue his efforts to achieve a cease-fire. Immediately afterwards, Obama called Netanyahu, heard updates from him and asked him to give more time to the Egyptian mediation efforts before intensifying the campaign in Gaza. In all their conversations, Obama and Clinton asked the leaders in the region to exercise their influence on Hamas to stop the firing of rockets.
At the same time, in Cairo preparations are being made for a crucial meeting between representatives of Hamas and Islamic Jihad and Egyptian intelligence officials who are mediating between the organizations and Israel. Haaretz has discovered that the Hamas political leader Khaled Meshal, and Islamic Jihad Secretary General Ramadan Shallah, are expected to meet again Tuesday morning with the chief of Egyptian intelligence, Raafat Shehata and his staff in an attempt to sum up the final details of the cease-fire agreement.
During the meeting the two are supposed to give their consent to the wording of the cease-fire agreement and to discuss final disputes. In effect, if they give their consent, at the end of the meeting a cease-fire between the sides will be declared. The two are supposed to approve the final version of the proposal that Israel sent to Egypt in the wake of Monday night's meeting of the forum of nine senior Israeli ministers.
On Tuesday morning, after more than four hours of nighttime discussion, the ministers of the security cabinet decided to continue to allow time for the Egyptian mediation efforts, in order to try to reach a cease-fire. At the meeting the assessment was that exhausting the diplomatic process vis--vis Egypt and the international community would give Israel greater legitimacy to launch a ground operation in Gaza if discussions of the cease fire reach a dead end.
An Israeli political source said that the Israel Defense Forces continue to operate in the Gaza Strip in accordance with the defined objectives of the operation, "but before making a decision about a ground operation the prime minister intends to exhaust the diplomatic process in order to examine the possibility of achieving a long-term cease fire." The source noted that Israel prefers to achieve the objectives of the operation without entering Gaza, "but if there's no choice we'll do it, and the IDF is prepared for that."
Mij boeit dat nazispellings gedrag niet zo. Als je het daar van moet hebben...quote:
Op Maar goed, neem aan dat je lollig bent. Dus
Op vrijdag 6 januari 2012 23:32 schreef remlof het volgende:
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
7 mei ga ik op Pim Fortuyn z'n graf pissen *G*
Haaretz: http://www.haaretz.com/ne(...)nflict-2012-1.479123
5:24 P.M. Senior Israeli officials: Cease-fire with Hamas to go into effect within hours (Barak Ravid)
5:24 P.M. Senior Israeli officials: Cease-fire with Hamas to go into effect within hours (Barak Ravid)
Is er iemand die mij kan vertellen wat deze aanvallen voor invloed kunnen gaan hebben op de westbank? Hoe is de situatie daar momenteel? Ik ken namelijk mensen die dat gaan bezoeken binnenkort.
Hoe groot zou de kans zijn dat het daar gaat escaleren? Naar ik meen is de situatie daar, en in Gaza niet te vergelijken?
Hoe groot zou de kans zijn dat het daar gaat escaleren? Naar ik meen is de situatie daar, en in Gaza niet te vergelijken?
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Zoals eerder gezegd, de situatie op de Westelijke Jordaanoever is en zal er waarschijnlijk niet anders op worden, hoogstens wat meer demonstraties en meer controle maar voor de rest weinig verschil.quote:
Is er iemand die mij kan vertellen wat deze aanvallen voor invloed kunnen gaan hebben op de westbank? Hoe is de situatie daar momenteel? Ik ken namelijk mensen die dat gaan bezoeken binnenkort.
Hoe groot zou de kans zijn dat het daar gaat escaleren? Naar ik meen is de situatie daar, en in Gaza niet te vergelijken?
twitter:FemkeHalsema twitterde op dinsdag 20-11-2012 om 15:45:24 Isral adviseert Gazanen stedelijk gebied te ontvluchten. Maar waar naartoe? Isral houdt grens dicht & verhindert vluchten. Afschuwelijk. reageer retweet
Isral adviseert Gazanen stedelijk gebied te ontvluchten. Maar waar naartoe? Isral houdt grens dicht & verhindert vluchten. Afschuwelijk. twitter:FemkeHalsema twitterde op dinsdag 20-11-2012 om 15:48:28 Als je ooit in #Gaza bent geweest (zoals ik) dan weet je dat vluchten binnen #Gaza onmogelijk is; ontsnappen aan geweld kan niet. reageer retweet
