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7s.gif Op donderdag 20 oktober 2011 11:20 schreef Aether het volgende:

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Artikel of reacties?
Beide eigenlijk. Eerst heeft de NRC de demonstraties op Wall Street volledig genegeerd, terwijl Wall Street natuurlijk niet afgelegen gebied is waar zoeits onopgemerkt blijft, om dan vervolgens braaf mee te gaan miepen met de Amerikaanse mainstream media dat het allemaal niet concreet is.

En dan nu zo'n stukje waarin een diep verlangen naar nederige horigheid wordt gevierd. Je wordt keihard in je reet genaaid en moet je je meester bedanken voor zijn kwakje en voor het feit dat het al bijna ophoudt met bloeden zodat je weer de vloer kunt poetsen. Het is een slavenmentaliteit.

En dan die reacties: Maar in Amerika hebben ze een veel minder sociaal stelsel. Alsof dat er wat toe doet. Je wordt genaaid door een corrupte dievenbende, als je dan een beetje trots hebt en niet in adelstand gelooft dan ga je niet dankbaar zijn dat de dief niet alles heeft meegenomen, maar ben je kwaad dat je bestolen bent. Als je op straat berooft wordt ga je toch ook niet roepen dat dat ok is omdat je je broek aan mocht houden van de straatrover en je nog genoeg over hebt om van te leven?
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Het NRC is zelf ook uitgekleed door Apax. Heeft het iets te maken met de nieuwe eigenaar van het NRC, de private equity maatschappij Egeria?

http://weblogs.nrc.nl/gel(...)-van-private-equity/
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 21 oktober 2011 14:37 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Het NRC is zelf ook uitgekleed door Apax. Heeft het iets te maken met de nieuwe eigenaar van het NRC, de private equity maatschappij Egeria?

http://weblogs.nrc.nl/gel(...)-van-private-equity/
Ik denk dat het probleem algemener is. De media volgen al jaren de logica van Wall Street, waarschijnlijk omdat die lekker simplistisch is en in hapklare brokken wordt aangeleverd. "En dan gaan we nu naar het economisch nieuws, de beurs... " Volgens mij is er op de beurs zelden nieuws in die zin dat het weerbericht met een temperatuursverandering van 2 graden ook geen nieuws is, en de economie is heel wat anders dan de beurs.

Fok doet er ook aan mee, de huizenmarkt bijvoorbeeld, of nieuws over bedrijven die wel iets maken moet allemaal onder het kopje AEX. Er zijn dan ook inmiddels massa's mensen die denken dat de beurskoers belangrijk is voor het functioneren van het bedrijf, dat hoe het met de beurs gaat belangrijk is voor de economie, er zijn zelfs beleggers die denken dat je een aandeel moet verkopen om er aan te verdienen. Allemaal onzin natuurlijk, maar de handel waarbij de ene computer van de ander koopt en andersom in millisecondes verkoopt zichzelf erg goed.

Het kortharig werkschuwe tuig heeft de rest van de wereld wijs weten te maken dat ze belangrijk zijn en een belangrijke functie vervullen. Maar die functie was altijd al heel beperkt, betreft een heel klein deeltje van de omzet die die sector draait, en in de functie schieten ze nog hopeloos tekort ook. Dat is ook niet zo raar, want die functie vervullen is niet waar ze mee bezig zijn, ze zijn bezig met geld voor zichzef verdienen, kwestie van marktwerking.
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 21 oktober 2011 17:11 schreef Weltschmerz het volgende:

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Ik denk dat het probleem algemener is. De media volgen al jaren de logica van Wall Street, waarschijnlijk omdat die lekker simplistisch is en in hapklare brokken wordt aangeleverd. "En dan gaan we nu naar het economisch nieuws, de beurs... " Volgens mij is er op de beurs zelden nieuws in die zin dat het weerbericht met een temperatuursverandering van 2 graden ook geen nieuws is, en de economie is heel wat anders dan de beurs.
Luister soms naar de podcast met Kees de Kort. Hij is vaak wat kort door de bocht maar is meestal wel lekker duidelijk na alle euforische nieuwsberichten ;)
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When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
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0s.gif Op vrijdag 21 oktober 2011 14:37 schreef deelnemer het volgende:
Het NRC is zelf ook uitgekleed door Apax. Heeft het iets te maken met de nieuwe eigenaar van het NRC, de private equity maatschappij Egeria?

http://weblogs.nrc.nl/gel(...)-van-private-equity/
Bijt niet de hand die u voed... Sterker steun ze... hebben ze bij het NRC met de pillenmaffia ook gedaan.
We must guard against the aquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
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  zaterdag 22 oktober 2011 @ 19:20:42 #32
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Occupy Wall Street: Washington Still Doesn't Get It

I'll have more coming out about this in a few days, but there have been two disgusting developments in the realm of plutocratic intervention on behalf of Wall Street that everyone protesting should take note of.

The fact that both of the following things took place in the middle of the full fever of OWS, when everyone is supposedly trying to placate anti-banker sentiment and Obama and the DCCC are supposedly pledging support of the protesters, shows how completely bankrupt this system is and how necessary street-level protests have become. Popular uprising is probably the only move left to stop developments like the following:
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
  zaterdag 22 oktober 2011 @ 19:46:32 #33
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Youtube moet video's wegcensureren van overheden.

http://anoncentral.tumblr(...)er-youtube-to-censor

I know, niet echt een een betrouwbare link. Maar mocht het waar zijn dan is het toch wel ernstig.

Edit: valt me mee dat de reacties op de site zelf ook allemaal kritisch zijn :D
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Damn.... :')
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
  zaterdag 22 oktober 2011 @ 22:36:20 #35
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http://www.occupationalist.org/

Occupationalist is an impartial and real-time view of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Covering history as it unfolds. No filters. No delays.
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De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
  zondag 23 oktober 2011 @ 11:19:32 #36
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(2e keer, maar andere plaatje in eerdere post doet het niet meer en kan niet meer editten)
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  zondag 23 oktober 2011 @ 11:58:46 #38
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Police brutality charges sweep across the US

From Naomi Wolf's arrest in New York to shootings in Tucson and Florida, forces face allegations of abuse of power

Officer Michael Daragjati had no idea that the FBI was listening to his phone calls. Otherwise he would probably not have described his arrest and detention of an innocent black New Yorker in the manner he did.

Daragjati boasted to a woman friend that, while on patrol in Staten Island, he had "fried another nigger". It was "no big deal", he added. The FBI, which had been investigating another matter, then tried to work out what had happened.

According to court documents released in New York, Daragjati and his partner had randomly stopped and frisked a black man who had become angry and asked for Daragjati's name and badge number. Daragjati, 32, and with eight years on the force, had no reason to stop the man, and had found nothing illegal. But he arrested him and fabricated an account of him resisting arrest. The man, now referred to in papers only as John Doe because of fears for his safety, spent two nights in jail. He had merely been walking alone through the neighbourhood.

The shocking story has added to a growing sense that there are serious problems of indiscipline and law-breaking in US police forces. Last week the feminist author Naomi Wolf was arrested outside an awards ceremony in Manhattan. She had been advising Occupy Wall Street protesters of their rights to continue demonstrating outside the event. Instead, as she joined the protest, she was carted off to jail in her evening gown. That incident is only the most high-profile of many apparently illegal police actions around the protests. One senior officer, deputy inspector Anthony Bologna, created headlines worldwide when he pepper-sprayed young women behind a police barricade.

A report from the New York Civil Liberties Union recently looked at police use of Taser stun guns in the state, and revealed that in 60% of incidents where they were used, the incident did not meet the recommended criteria for such a weapon. Some cases involved people already handcuffed and 40% involved "at risk" subjects such as children, the elderly or mentally ill. "This disturbing pattern of misuse and abuse endangers lives," said the NYCLU's executive director, Donna Lieberman.

In Los Angeles, officers in the sheriff's department are accused of physically abusing some prison inmates and having sex with others. An internal report, obtained by the Los Angeles Times, revealed allegations that included beating people visiting relatives in jail. In Pittsburgh, there is the case of Jordan Miles, a high-flying high-school student stopped by three plainclothes policemen. Miles, 18 at the time, was walking to his grandmother's house and had no idea who the men were, as they did not identify themselves. He ran, but the officers caught him and beat him so badly that he ended up in hospital. He is undergoing neurological treatment for memory problems and has had to drop out of college.

Yet it was Miles who was charged with aggravated assault – a case that a judge later threw out. His mother, Terez Miles, said: "We are no strangers to police brutality in the city of Pittsburgh, but what they did was terrible and then they lied about it."

In Chicago, Jimmel Cannon, 13, was shot eight times by police who claimed that he had a BB gun in his hand. His family said that he had his hands in the air. In Tucson, Arizona, former marine Jose Guerena was killed by a Swat team on a drugs raid. They found nothing illegal, but Guerena was shot 23 times.

The list goes on. Miami is still dealing with the fallout of the fatal shooting of Raymond Herisse. He had been driving a car out of which police claimed gunshots came. However, it took three days before they produced a weapon. They also confiscated and destroyed the phones of people trying to record the incident.

"There is a widespread, continuing pattern of officers ordering people to stop taking photographs or video in public places, and harassing, detaining and arresting those who fail to comply," said Chris Calabrese, of the American Civil Liberties Union. Campaigners say the spread of camera phones is why so many incidents of brutality are appearing.

In another recorded call, Daragjati complained to a friend: "I could throw somebody a beating, they catch me on camera, and I'm fired." Some activists have taken that to heart. Diop Kamau, a former officer, runs the Florida-based Police Complaint Centre, which investigates allegations of police abuse nationwide. "Police are now facing an onslaught of scrutiny because everyone has a cellphone," he said.

Kamau said that many police departments still had a culture of secrecy and many officers believed that there was little likelihood of punishment even if caught. "The police fill in the blanks. They say what happened and they will be believed," he said.

One weakness is that there is no central organisation for the police, and local departments do not release data on complaints or allegations of abuse. "The problem is that there is an absence of research," said Professor John Liederbach, an expert in American policing at Bowling Green State University in Ohio. As the list of complaints and incidents grows, that might be about to change.
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"Pak de fascist, pak je mobiel."
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Suits Who Work Around Occupy Wall Street Tell Us What They Really Think

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"[The protests] will end when they tire out or when they start getting jobs"
Ja, dat is het :{
Hoezo, het niet willen snappen...
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
  zondag 23 oktober 2011 @ 12:47:35 #41
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1s.gif Op zondag 23 oktober 2011 12:42 schreef Aether het volgende:
Suits Who Work Around Occupy Wall Street Tell Us What They Really Think

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Ja, dat is het :{
Hoezo, het niet willen snappen...
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"Everyone of us suits has debts and everything else," said Alex Malano of New Jersey. "Just because you wear a suit doesn't mean you have money."
O)))
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Ze kijken teveel films:


Occupy L.A. Meets Annual March Against Police Brutality.
http://www.neontommy.com/(...)nst-police-brutality
We must guard against the aquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.
Eisenhower1961.
  zondag 23 oktober 2011 @ 21:58:22 #43
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Chicago police arrest 130 Occupy protesters

Demonstrators erected tents and refused to leave Grant Park at its closing time, police say

About 130 protesters have been arrested at an Occupy Chicago demonstration after they erected tents and refused to leave a park at its closing time, police said.

The breakup of the protest in Grant Park, next to Lake Michigan, was the second mass arrest of demonstrators from Occupy Chicago in the past week. Last weekend, about 175 protesters were arrested.

The protesters were charged with violating a city ordinance and most were released after agreeing to appear in court, Chicago police said.

Grant Park, the site of major anti-war protests during the Democratic convention in 1968, is closed after 11pm.

The Occupy protests began more than a month ago in New York and focus on anger at government bailouts of big banks and persistent high unemployment.

Hundreds of Occupy Wall Street demonstrators have been arrested in New York and there have also been numerous arrests in Tampa, Cincinnati, Des Moines, Minneapolis, Denver and other cities.
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  zondag 23 oktober 2011 @ 23:30:48 #44
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http://youranonnews.tumbl(...)-bail-chicago-police

We posted funds for bail. Chicago Police Department refusing to allow us to post bond, forcing protesters to stay overnight for a noncriminal citation and exercising their 1st amendment rights. Arrestees are being denied phone call, legal counsel, food, sleep basic human rights.
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  zondag 23 oktober 2011 @ 23:51:01 #45
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Message To Occupy Wall Street: You’ve Already Won…

You’ve already won occupiers because there are more of you then there are of “them”. You’ve already won because you are right, and the folks in the media who have been pretending all along that they simply did not know what has been happening to this country over the past thirty years are going to be, one-by-one, shamed by you into admitting that they know that yes, our economic and political systems have been dominated all this time by the worst of the worst.

You’ve already won because the time has finally come where everybody in the nation has got to stop pretending that they did not know all along that the Emperor indeed has no clothes. The time has finally come when it is no longer permissible for polite (and otherwise) people to make believe that we were not all living in a monstrous and kleptocratic system where wholesale theft, abuse, and outright political fraud was simply business as usual. We played out that game all the way to the point where we became occupiers of a foreign country for no reason at all, and in it, we built our own style of prison camps where we tortured both the people in it, as well as the logic that we used to justify everything that we did in connection with it.

We as Americans created an economic system where the primary business model was based on fraud. Our banks lied to potential borrowers in order to get them to take out expensive mortgage products, and we as borrowers lied to the banks about our incomes so we could quality for these mortgages. We took out these mortgages so that we could speculate in the rapidly rising real estate market, and when that bubble burst, we all looked at each other in astonishment and wonder at how this all could have all happened to us.

A bank cannot do very much with one or two bad loans issued to borrowers who lack the ability to repay them, but if you have enough of them, then you can pool them up in a very large portfolio of mortgages and get them rated “Triple A” so that they are fit to be used as collateral for very large bond offerings. “Triple-A” of course, — as safe as U.S. Government treasury securities. And why not? We are the people who created Hollywood and Disneyland are we not?

You have already won Wall Street occupiers because after much more time it will be too ridiculous for any of us to think that we can go back to pretending that nothing was wrong all this time. Our banks have gotten bigger, and much more ill-behaved than they were before they got bailed out. Our political leaders are at the present time looking increasingly foolish as they continue to play the game of pretending that they are leading us and crafting laws that serve and protect us, and not the corporations who buy them at auction. Your victory has come about because the images of you on the television make us all quite aware that the real truth can no longer be ignored and obfuscated by the weaselly language of the media message crafters and their corporate whores. It is too late now, and the jig is up.

It started about thirty years ago. The slow, grinding process of making the middle class go away. They did it gradually in order to make the game last a while longer, and they did it in the same way that a Monopoly game winner doles out cash to the losers to keep the game from ending too soon. They wouldn’t let you earn more money at your job to support your illusionary lifestyle because they wanted that for themselves. Instead, they relied upon you to figure out how to work two jobs and take on more personal debt in order to finance it that way. When the credit cards got maxed out, we turned to the equity in our homes, and after that, to the equity in our second homes that we did not own yet, but might be able to if we could find a bank with “flexible” enough terms.

Sooner or later, and I am betting that it will be sooner, it will come to our collective realization that there is no actual solution to what we are going through at present other than to accept what we have done to ourselves and make the best of it. We are not going back to what we thought we had over the past 30 years, and even if we could, what intelligent person would want that? Once it becomes apparent that we are never going back to what we once had, then it will become apparent to the politicians that govern us that they no longer have the power to motivate us to do anything, because there is nothing that they can offer us by way of policy that will make our lives any better than they are right now. Once that happens then they will have no choice but to admit that we are on our own, and when that happens what do we need them for?

The corporations did this, and they are not coming back to save us any time soon. They are done with us and have gone to other “markets” in other hemispheres where the population is eager to make buck or two is not so “whiny”. The corporations did this, and they do not feel any sense of urgency to fix what they did. Corporations do not need clean air to breathe. They do not need safe food to eat, and they do not need any good schools to send the kids they don’t have to.

If you are a young person with a student loan, you have to ask yourself what you are going to do about that loan if the job that you anticipated getting after graduation simply does not exist anymore. This is something that has never happened in this country before, and as such, we have no answers for it. When the dimmest among us starts to realize that nobody is coming to save us, then indeed everyone will know for sure that it is time to give up pretending that we had a fair and honest system all along. When that happens, then everyone will know that you have won.

Much has been written about in the empty-headed media about your own “lack of a purpose”. They cannot see that your purpose is to simply shame THEM into understanding that you (the 99%) know that the emperor has no clothes, and that THEY can now stop pretending that we don’t live in a system that is steeped in corruption.

Do not allow yourselves to become suckered or bullied into generating some kind of “manifesto” or declaration of principles. They will only pick that apart. The only weapon you need is shame, and your objective is to simply shame everyone into admitting that yes, they know that the game was rigged all along, and we can now all stop pretending. That is all.

Much good luck in your praiseworthy struggle. You are the best among us.

J. Mark. Soveign
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  maandag 24 oktober 2011 @ 00:12:18 #46
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Marines Are Calling In Reinforcements To Occupy Wall Street Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/occupy-marines-shamar-thomas-2011-10#ixzz1be5BojU6

Last week's dressing down of the NYPD by Marine Sergeant Shamar Thomas at Occupy Times Square has started a movement of its own.

Thomas unleashed on the police at length about the use of abusive tactics on unarmed civilians and the YouTube video of the exchange went viral.

Since then, #OccupyMARINES has sprung up, calling for former Marines to don a civilian uniform and join the Occupy protests.

OccupyMARINES have now called on veterans of other branches of the military to lend their support to help "talk sense" to police and recruit them into supporting the Occupy movement.

Because active members of the armed forces are prohibited by military law from joining the protests, only former servicemembers are being called upon and even they have restrictions. (via Jill Klausen and Addicting Info)

Veterans may wear their uniforms, but only if they do not protest. The OccupyMARINES website says:

Should Non-Active Military Supporters Present Themselves At Demonstrator Groups In Military Dress Uniform We Ask They Do Not Actively Participate With Group Activities; We Will Honor Our Military Uniforms And The Sacrifices Of Our Brothers And Sisters. Only Non-Dress Uniform Supporters May Actively Participate.

The dress code for protesting veterans is:

- An OccupyMARINES shirt or sweatshirt with military service affiliation and Occupy Wall Street logo
- Dicky's EMT black cargo pants
- Ranger Joe's Corcoran Boots-I XC Jump Black Aviator Boots
- And blouse bands. Elastic bands used by military members to fold the hem of their pants up and drape over the top of their boots.

While requesting donations, the group's website asks that contributors wait until OccupyMARINES has achieved 501(c)(3) status.

In addition to the Marines' initiative, the police have formed a separate organization called #OccupyPolice that is "for police in support of the 99%." The OP website goes on to say that "Police in America are part of the 99 too #OccupyPolice."

Read more: http://www.businessinside(...)011-10#ixzz1be5K42jl
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  maandag 24 oktober 2011 @ 03:08:44 #47
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0s.gif Op zondag 23 oktober 2011 12:47 schreef arucard het volgende:

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Veel snappen het wel; maar denken dat ze daar kamperen omdat ze een baan willen is wel simpel gedacht.
When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.
When the student is truly ready, the teacher will disappear.
  maandag 24 oktober 2011 @ 21:06:17 #49
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  maandag 24 oktober 2011 @ 21:26:51 #50
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