Maar weer een verkiezing doen als het hele Suck It and See-gebeuren overgevlogen is?quote:Op dinsdag 24 mei 2011 22:11 schreef TC03 het volgende:
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Hmm, misschien wel een leuke opdracht: stel je Best Of-album samen van rond de 40 minuten. Lijkt me erg lastig.
Ik geloof dat alleen "I.D.S.T." op de Japanse editie staat als bonus-track. CD-single staat wel in het release-schema van Amazon, maar dat zal waarschijnlijk (zoals veel vaker) een foutje zijn. Dus ik denk dat we moeten hopen op inderdaad een promo.quote:Op woensdag 25 mei 2011 00:39 schreef TheView het volgende:
Weet iemand of de b-sides van The Chair ook op cd zullen verschijnen? Als cd-single, bonus op Japanse album of US promo desnoods??
Ja, dat laatste vreesde ik al.. Die zijn meestal lastig te bemachtigen, al is dat me met alle Humbug promo-cd's gelukt uiteindelijk, dus inclusief alle b-sides. Blijft ook een sport op zich.quote:Op woensdag 25 mei 2011 00:49 schreef Aisumasen het volgende:
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Ik geloof dat alleen "I.D.S.T." op de Japanse editie staat als bonus-track. CD-single staat wel in het release-schema van Amazon, maar dat zal waarschijnlijk (zoals veel vaker) een foutje zijn. Dus ik denk dat we moeten hopen op inderdaad een promo.
Ze omschreven het zelf al als Brick By Brick part 2.quote:Op woensdag 25 mei 2011 10:58 schreef Xurk het volgende:
Is er een oudere Arctic Monkeys liedje waar I.D.S.T. nog het meeste op lijkt eigenlijk? Door een paar omschrijvingen hier heb ik het idee dat het qua lengte en muziek een soort "Sketchead", "I Haven't Got My Strange" of "If You Found This It's Probably Too Late" is. Maar aangezien iedereen er zo negatief over is, kan ik het me eigenlijk niet voorstellen aangezien dat wel gewoon vette nummers zijn [op IHGMS [een beetje] na dan]
Die scan van een paar pagina's terug is ook grappig inderdaad. Ik vind het wel erg onwennig lezen want ik heb sterk het gevoel dat het allemaal een beetje geparafraseerd [bestaat dat woord in het Nederlands?] is. Ik vind de Monkeys namelijk altijd erg "aloof" in interviews en bij die scan lees ik bij bijna iedere citaat zoveel enthousiasme en zie ik veel uitroeptekens staan. De omschrijving bij Dance Floor vind ik nog wel één van de mooiste, al vind ik het nummer zelf al een jaar of twee niet meer zo heel boeiend.
Ja, die vind ik zelf ook niet zo goed inderdaad, maar voor mijn gevoel past het wel bij de groepering die ik maakte. Maar als jullie zeggen dat een mindere versie van BBB is, dan heb ik al wel een iets beter idee hoe het klinkt.quote:Op woensdag 25 mei 2011 11:26 schreef sander26 het volgende:
Ik vond "I Haven't Got My Strange" eigenlijk het slechtste AM nummer ooit. Inmiddels is dat "I.D.S.T." geworden. Al ben ik het wel met Merkie eens dat de muziek niet slecht is. Als instrumental had het beter geweest.
Yep, still goin' strongquote:Trouwens, Xurk, nog steeds niets gehoord van SIAS? Respect hoor!
quote:Arctic Monkeys's Jamie Cook has revealed how the band have gone about choosing their recent live setlists.
Speaking to New York Magazine, the guitarist also said the band enjoy playing the US recently "because the pressure is off." He added that US gigs-goers "are more willing to try things out. In the UK, everyone wants to hear the big songs."
Cook revealed that the band were inspired by The Strokes to open their set with 'The View From The Afternoon', saying: "When I saw The Strokes at Madison Square Garden, they started with the first song on their first album, and it was great. I thought we should do the same."
He added that the band try to keep the early part of their setlist full of faster songs such as 'This House Is A Circus', 'Brianstorm' and new single 'Don't Sit Down 'Cause I've Moved Your Chair'. "We try to do five that are pretty fast-paced before people get bored," he said.
Cook also joked that the band plan their setlist for fans who are on first dates. He said: "I imagine a fan bringing a date to our show who doesn't know us that well. We play loads of new stuff, and when we get to 'I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor', he turns to her and says, 'You’ll definitely know this one.' If she says, 'I don’t know this one either,' that’s when maybe you shouldn’t see much of her again."
The guitarist also hinted that 'The Hellcat Spangled Shalalala' will probably be the band's next single. Arctic Monkeys played in New York last night with The Vaccines supporting them.
Hmm ik vind het nog steeds een gaap nummer. Snap al dat crowdsurfing ook niet op dit nummer.quote:Op woensdag 25 mei 2011 13:40 schreef Vatta het volgende:
Moet zeggen dat ik toch wel erg onder de indruk ben van de live versie van She's Thunderstorms getuige dit filmpje in redelijke geluidskwaliteit.
Hoewel het publiek het druk heeft met heel andere dingen.
Grappig, ze hebben een heel artikel geschreven aan de hand van de omschrijvingen op die ene scanquote:
Wow, Xurkquote:Op woensdag 25 mei 2011 11:41 schreef Xurk het volgende:
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Semi-offtopic: fuck me, ik kom er zojuist achter toen ik voor de gein de Wikipedia-pagina van TLSP ging bekijken dat ze natuurlijk meer dan één single hebben gehad en er daardoor gewoon vier liedjes [B-sides] zijn die ik niet kenMaar vervolgens: omg
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Betwistbaar een van Alex Turner's sterkste liedjes. (Al hoor ik ook een duidelijke Miles-invloed trouwens). Paste helaas niet in de live-set.quote:Op woensdag 25 mei 2011 14:39 schreef sander26 het volgende:
Oh jah, ik vergeet Sequals helemaal. Die was echt top!
Ja, ik schaam me diepquote:Op woensdag 25 mei 2011 14:36 schreef Aisumasen het volgende:
Wow, Xurk. Dat zijn de beste, hebben ze zelf nog live gedaan. Eerste single heeft 3 B-kanten waarvan 2 covers, tweede heeft 3 unieke TLSP-composities, derde heeft 3 live-opnames waarvan 2 'unieke' covers.
Dat einde van Piledriverquote:Op woensdag 25 mei 2011 23:43 schreef Arn0 het volgende:
http://www.1019rxp.com/Channels/NewonRXP/Story.aspx?ID=1423668
Akoestische sessie met "Piledriver Waltz", "Suck It And See" and "Love Is A Laserquest".
Ik vind The Colour of the Trap ook een erg lekker album, al blijft ie momenteel ver achter wat betreft het aantal draaibeurten op Suck it and See, maar dat lijkt me logisch.quote:Op woensdag 25 mei 2011 15:02 schreef Xurk het volgende:
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Ja, ik schaam me diepMaar ik heb destijds ook helemaal nergens online iets over TLSP gevolgd, ik heb puur de muziek die toen beschikbaar was binnengehaald en heb het daarmee vervolgens gedaan. Om de één of andere onverklaarbare reden is het tot vandaag nooit in me opgekomen om te checken of ze misschien wel meer singles behalve de eerste zouden hebben en daardoor dus ook meer liedjes in de vorm van B-sides.
Ik heb nu al zin om ze te luisteren als ik dit zo leesDe B-sides van "The Age of the Understatement" vind ik ook totaal niet onder doen voor de liedjes op het album, ook al is bijv. "In the Heat of the Morning" een cover [scheelt misschien dat het van David Bowie is, bijna bij voorbaat al geniaal].
Als we dan toch semi-offtopic het over TLSP hebben, hoe vinden jullie "The Colour of the Trap" wanneer vergeleken met het TLSP-album? Op de 3voor12 website stonden toen Miles Kane 'album van de week' was allerlei citaatjes van recensenten waarbij velen zeiden dat Miles Kane duidelijk de betere van de twee Puppets blijkt te zijn. Maar buiten beschouwing latend dat ik zijn album erg lekker vind en een goed pop-album, vind ik de teksten van TLSP vooralsnog een stuk briljanter, om het zo maar te zeggen. Vanochtend al forenzend nog beide albums geluisterd dus
Watquote:Op vrijdag 27 mei 2011 00:31 schreef Merkie het volgende:
Ik luister nu pas Wavin' Bye To The Train Or Bus voor het eerst.
Leuk. Leuk om ESG daar te zien. Nick en Matt noemden die band als invloed voor FWN (sindsdien ken ik ze - geweldige band), je hoort die bas en drums ook duidelijk terug. Geen band die ik direct met AM zou associëren.quote:Op vrijdag 27 mei 2011 14:25 schreef sander26 het volgende:
Dit is best leuk!![]()
http://3voor12.vpro.nl/artikelen/artikel/44749330
Dat einde weer lekker droogquote:
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quote:Op vrijdag 27 mei 2011 20:13 schreef Arn0 het volgende:
Zo, een nieuwe website. Dat werd tijd
Edit: Oké, stelt niet echt veel voor
You F5'd?quote:Op vrijdag 27 mei 2011 20:13 schreef Arn0 het volgende:
Zo, een nieuwe website. Dat werd tijd
Edit: Oké, stelt niet echt veel voor
Die vond ik ook gelijk tof. Verder wel duidelijke 'left-over', ook niet zo te spreken over de "stinks like a B....flat"-zin. In mijn opinie.quote:Op vrijdag 27 mei 2011 13:34 schreef Merkie het volgende:
"The particular pretty one", typische Alex Turner-tekst.
Ah, vandaar. Was je wel veel meer geld kwijtgeweest, dus het maakt ook weer niet zo heel veel uit.quote:Op vrijdag 27 mei 2011 21:43 schreef Arn0 het volgende:
Mensen die de single en het album besteld hadden, krijgen gewoon het album samen met de single binnen in een pakket op de releasedatum van de single ipv het album.. Had ik ook moeten doen
Cool filmpje. Voor het eerst dat ik Alex op z'n gemak hoor praten. En hem zoveel zie roken. En ik weet dat hij een oude gare Nokia heeftquote:
Gedeeltelijk oneens. Maar zondag dus weer een mooi interview in The Observer.quote:Arctic Monkeys' Alex Turner distances himself from 'voice of a generation' tag
Band's frontman says in interview with Observer Magazine that he is not equipped to soundtrack the times
guardian.co.uk, Fri 27 May 2011 23.30 BST
Arctic Monkeys frontman Alex Turner has attempted to distance himself from the "voice of a generation" tag that was thrust on him in 2006, saying: "I just don't think I'm equipped to soundtrack the times. There might be someone out there who can do that, but I haven't cracked it."
In an interview in Sunday's Observer Magazine (29 May), Arctic Monkeys – whose fourth album, Suck It and See, is released on 6 June – discuss coming to terms with songs from their first two albums, referring to 2007's Favourite Worst Nightmare as "fine" but "not that considered". According to Turner, their third album, Humbug, was a way of proving "that it weren't all about those 12 songs about the chip shop".
Elsewhere in the interview, Turner talks about the band's initial reaction to sudden notoriety ("we shut a lot of people out") and reveals that the new album was recorded without the pressure of trying to work out what an Arctic Monkeys album should sound like. "The main thing I learned is that whatever it is that makes us sound like us is built into the four of us."
• Suck It and See will be streaming on guardian.co.uk/music on Monday 30 May
Voor de mensen voor wie het relevant is.quote:From event organisers SJM.
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Ik vind deze site eigenlijk de mooiste tot nu toe. Basic, zeker, maar 10x beter dan die Humbug en Favourite Worst Nightmare sites.quote:Op vrijdag 27 mei 2011 22:18 schreef Arn0 het volgende:
Ah, de site is online. Niet echt supermooi, maar goed. En ook nog wat bugs
Nu op Radio 1, is later terug te vinden.quote:De Arctic Monkeys komen eraan, maar iedereen heeft de stormachtige entree van die Engelse snotjongens al beschreven. Een verhaal uit een hotelkamer met een paar van die gasten – liever niet. Nee, maak er maar een zoektocht van, een zoektocht van een dag naar de Arctic Monkeys – naar hun geluid, hun afkomst, de ziel van hun muziek, of noem het maar op.
Op zoek naar de ziel van de muziek en de muzikant. Dat is het doel van schrijver en journalist John Schoorl. Als geen ander vangt hij de funk en dringt hij door tot de magie van bebopalula en boem-chikka-boem. Oh yeah! Of hij nu naar de oefenruimte van de Lefties Soul Connection in Monnickendam afreist of in Winterswijk de punkscene van weleer probeert terug te vinden, of hij nu schrijft over Elvis, Cowboy Gerard, Kraftwerk of Chet Baker, steeds weet Schoorl de soul van de muziek te vatten in meeslepende verhalen en originele reportages. ‘Je moet een sound hebben, want zonder sound ben je nergens.’
Weten we eindelijk Aisumasen's echte naamquote:Op zaterdag 28 mei 2011 14:39 schreef tim. het volgende:
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Nu op Radio 1, is later terug te vinden.
Haha, ik moest ook aan hem denken. Ik ben erg benieuwd naar dat boek, omdat het dus een wat breder verhaal is. Jammer dat dit soort boeken altijd zo 'authentiek' zijn vormgegevenquote:Op zaterdag 28 mei 2011 14:44 schreef AMDB het volgende:
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Weten we eindelijk Aisumasen's echte naam
Het past ook helemaal niet bij de bandquote:Op zaterdag 28 mei 2011 14:56 schreef tim. het volgende:
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Haha, ik moest ook aan hem denken. Ik ben erg benieuwd naar dat boek, omdat het dus een wat breder verhaal is. Jammer dat dit soort boeken altijd zo 'authentiek' zijn vormgegeven.
Het is een bundel, er staan ook andere verhalen in, dus dat ze dat niet hebben gedaan begrijp ik. Maar het had wel wat strakker gekund, zonder gele letters.quote:Op zaterdag 28 mei 2011 14:59 schreef AMDB het volgende:
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Het past ook helemaal niet bij de bandHad dan iets gemaakt geïnspireerd op artwork en foto's.
Er staan meerdere verhalen inquote:Op zaterdag 28 mei 2011 15:00 schreef Arn0 het volgende:
Wacht, dit is een heel boek en niet een hoofdstuk of zo?
Dat vind ik net het grootste probleem, omdat het allemaal "leuk" klinkt en materiaal voor singles is, is de kwaliteit enorm gedaald. Gitaarrifjes zijn erg simpel geworden, lyrics zijn ook niet meer wat het geweest is.quote:Op zaterdag 28 mei 2011 20:24 schreef Aisumasen het volgende:
Anderhalve week "Suck It And See", opgeschaald naar een 7,9. Zonder twijfel het leukste wat ze gedaan hebben sinds 2007. Zo veel single-materiaal, zo veel hits. Mijn favorieten in volgorde:
Snap echt niet hoe je dat kan zeggen, op een handvol nummers na vind ik alle nummers slechter dan alles wat ze hiervoor hebben gedaan. Toen ik het album voor het eerste luisterde vond ik het nog meevallen maar nu, in vergelijking met al hun albums.. Ben ik toch wel zwaar teleurgesteld.quote:Op zondag 29 mei 2011 02:12 schreef Aisumasen het volgende:
Kwaliteit staat mijlenver boven het gros van de nummers uit 2009 of 2010.
"In particular, Turner felt that Favourite Worst Nightmare was too much of a rush-job."quote:Arctic Monkeys: "We want to get better rather than get bigger"
Barbara Ellen
The Observer, Sunday 29 May 2011
The Arctic Monkeys' pitch-perfect songs about youth culture (girls, mates, chips, cabs, poseurs), Gordon Brown's namecheck and their huge internet popularity rocketed the Sheffield band to the top of the tree. Here, as they release their brilliant fourth album, they talk candidly about fame, politics and falling in love.
Hey hey, it's the monkeys: 'Whatever it is that makes us sound like us is built into the four of us.'
It's probably a good thing that when I interview the Arctic Monkeys I get to speak to their frontman, Alex Turner, three times. The first time, we meet in a private members' club in east London (where Turner lives with his girlfriend, TV presenter Alexa Chung) and he is quiet and reserved, with lots of silences punctuated by flashes of dry Sheffield humour. The second time, at the photo studios with the rest of the band (guitarist Jamie Cook, bass player Nick O'Malley and drummer Matt Helders), he seems more relaxed. And the third, talking on the phone from the Radio 1 Big Weekend in Carlisle, he is friendly and charming, signing off with a cheery "Nice one, love!"
Clearly Turner is slow to burn with new people, as is the rest of the band. It goes some way to explaining how, in the early days of their meteoric rise, the Monkeys gained a reputation for being difficult, uncommunicative – "mardy bums" if you like. But when I ask Turner about this, he describes it as "a bit of a defence mechanism that kicked in. When the first album blew up, we shut a lot of people out, just to try to keep some sort of control."
You were very young – was it a form of self-protection? "I suppose," says Turner. "It's quite unusual to have all these people asking questions. Still now, talking about myself is strange. If you do it for a long time, it puts you in a weird place."
You could become a raging egomaniac? "Yeah, that's it."
The Monkeys were barely 20 at the time of their 2006 debut, Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not. It remains the bestselling debut in British history, beating Oasis, going quadruple platinum and garnering Brits, a Mercury and an Ivor Novello award, not to mention that namecheck from Gordon Brown ("They really wake you up in the mornings.") Going on to headline Glastonbury in 2007, the Monkeys were the first of the MySpace bands to be promoted on the internet by fans, via free demos and file-sharing – and were credited with scaring awake a sleeping music industry. There followed 2007's Favourite Worst Nightmare, 2009's Humbug, and now the release of their fourth album, Suck It and See. Everything considered, not bad going for what Turner describes as "not centre of attention kind of people".
In photographs, Turner's pale skin and huge brown eyes, peering up under mussed hair, can make him look almost Bambi-ish. In person, in leather jacket and skinny jeans, he's "indie-handsome", as can be confirmed by the many fan-blogs devoted to discussing his gorgeousness. (My favourite is the earnestly titled, "What do you love most about Alex?")
At first when I speak to Turner, there are eerie pauses and a lot of "it's hard to recall…", more than seems feasible for a 25-year-old. But when he warms up he is sharp, droll and, it turns out, genuinely bad at remembering certain details, such as writing the first lyric, giving the first autograph: "It all seems so far away now." His initial aversion to eye contact reminds me that, in the early days, rehearsing in his parents' garage – "Just wanting to make a row, make friends laugh" – Turner tried to find someone else to sing in the band.
Does he still find it hard to think of himself as a natural frontman? "I've grown into it, though I don't think it was destiny or anything." When I ask him whether he was shy and quiet as a young boy or a tearaway, he replies, "Definitely the former." As a personality type, would he have been happier not being the frontman? "I'm not sure. I think I like the idea that I would have, but I'm quite a control freak." He grins. "There's a bit of that."
The good news is that Suck It and See is brilliant. Songs include "Black Treacle", the first single, "Don't Sit Down 'Cause I've Moved Your Chair", "She's Thunderstorms", "The Hellcat Spangled Shalalala" and "Love is a Laser Quest", and there's not a dud among them (except, perhaps, the monotonous "Brick by Brick"). It's full of tight melodies, prowling guitars and reflective yet pithy lyrics, bringing to mind everything from Captain Beefheart, the White Stripes and the Beach Boys to Nick Cave, the Jesus and Mary Chain and Iggy Pop (the group have become huge Stooges fans), all powered by a dark rock/country pulse.
It's a departure from the provincial roar of the first two albums, where songs such as "I Bet You Look Good on the Dancefloor", "Fluorescent Adolescent" and "The View From The Afternoon" featured Turner's pitch-perfect lyrical reportage on youth culture in Sheffield (girls, mates, chips, cabs, local poseurs).
Suck It and See also differs from the more opaque, guitar-heavy third album, Humbug. Partly made in the Mojave Desert and produced by Josh Homme from the band Queens of the Stone Age, Humbug received what is politely known as a mixed reception. Some weren't happy that the band had changed, and not just musically (Turner and O'Malley grew their hair, Cook had a beard). But Turner is adamant that it was necessary. Working with Miles Kane, the former frontman of the Rascals, on the side project The Last Shadow Puppets made him creatively restless. And while the Monkeys have recently "made friends" with their first album, for a time they couldn't face their earlier stuff. In particular, Turner felt that Favourite Worst Nightmare was too much of a rush-job.
"It's fine, just not that considered. Though I'm really glad we did it – otherwise I might still be sitting around trying to write 'Hallelujah'," he says, with a slight roll of his eyes. "After that, we all thought we needed to move on." Break with your past? "Yeah," he says. "If only to prove that it weren't all about those 12 songs about the chip shop."
I meet up with all the Arctic Monkeys when they're getting their photograph taken. Along with Turner, there's Jamie Cook (friendly, beard-free), Nick O'Malley (laconic, an early replacement for original bass player Andy Nicholson) and Matt Helders (naturally ebullient, but not feeling well). We sit at a table full of beers to chat. Like Turner, his bandmates are polite, occasionally wary and drily humorous. When I ask them about the financial rewards of being in a band, O'Malley says quietly, "It's our only motivation."
Cook, O'Malley and Helders still live in Sheffield, although they don't seem at all tribal about it. Are they treated like local celebrities? "Nah," says Helders, "it's not that kind of place." They find one of my lines of questioning, about rock 'n' roll clichés, ridiculous. "I am more and more attracted to rock 'n' roll clichés – closer and closer," deadpans Helders. As for the touring cliché of living for the hour onstage, Helders reckons, "Not me. It gets in the way of my Sudoku."
The previous night, they'd been on Later with Jools Holland, performing "Reckless Serenade", "Don't Sit Down…" and my favourite from the album, the anarchic "Library Pictures" ("Give me an eenie minie mo/And an ip, dip, dogshit, rock 'n' roll"). I was there for their set and, with a strong line-up (the Brian Wilson Band, Alison Krauss, Warpaint and Gappy Ranks), the Monkeys held their own – although they don't think so.
"It's not normal to have to face each other and play like that," says O'Malley. "And when you see somebody playing that well, you're like, 'shit, I can't do that'." Turner agrees: "Those bands are such good musicians. But it was a different thing that we were bringing – it's not all about proficiency." He pauses for a beat. "Though I suppose it is."
Is the point that they have to walk the walk now – they can't be the whippersnappers in polo shirts from High Green any more? Talking about the Arctic Monkeys' past, it becomes clear that their rise wasn't "overnight" (there was the usual jumble of incidents, accidents, false starts, local pub shows and hard graft). However, it was pretty close. "I hate to say organic, like vegan," says Turner, "but it was like that."
As for Humbug, all the band say they're proud of it, and relished their time in the Mojave Desert studio (which sounds like rehab for blocked indie rockers). Turner says: "The main thing I learned is that whatever it is that makes us sound like us is built into the four of us. Josh said it, too: 'Whatever happens, it will always sound like you guys.'"
Some of the criticisms of Humbug are rather strange. It would have been a tragedy if their early material hadn't sounded like young boys from Sheffield having a scream, but by their third album, it would have been a tragedy if they'd still sounded like that. Turner claims he doesn't read reviews anyway: "Either it's really bad and you get a sour taste in your mouth, or it's really good, and you get a bit too satisfied. You're never left in a good place."
It must be hard though, after that initial huge impact (awards, plaudits, bestselling albums by 20, Glastonbury by 21), to keep replicating that kind of momentum and excitement? The Monkeys just shrug – it's not an issue, it's still exciting.
According to Turner, there was never a masterplan anyway. "One thing just led to another until that thing became 'we're going to play Glastonbury'. That was a turning point. You do this thing that seems huge, you're really nervous, you don't think you perform well, it's raining, the sound doesn't seem loud enough. Then you come back down to earth." After Glastonbury, the Monkeys played a club in Oslo. "I remember this feeling of, 'That was it, you got to there, now where do you go?' And the answer is… 'You go to Oslo'."
I ask them whether they can see how musicians go crazy and come to need that kind of high all the time.
"It's not really like that for us," says Turner. "We want to get better rather than get bigger."
Talking alone to Turner, I suggest he is hounded by an early lyric from "Fake Tales of San Francisco": "You're not from New York City, you're from Rotherham." Like Pete Townshend's "I hope I die before I get old," it's become a stick to beat him with in every interview, with the implication that he is now the person he was criticising.
"No," Turner corrects. "I'm now the person those people were pretending to be." He grins. "That suddenly felt very crass coming out of my mouth. That lyric was just for a small circle of people, to make them laugh. It didn't occur to me that it would end up striking a chord with a larger circle."
How does he feel about fame? "I've become more comfortable with that. At the same time, it's not like I'm Lady Gaga."
"Fire and the Thud", on Humbug, includes the line "I'd like to poke them in their prying eyes" and I ask him whether it's a comment on media intrusion.
"No, I wouldn't write songs about that."
"Fire and the Thud" is also supposed to be about Turner's decision to move to New York with Chung when she was working for MTV. Does he think their relationship magnifies the attention they get?
"I suppose it does, yeah."
Following your girlfriend to New York for her work is quite "new man" for a Sheffield lad, I say.
"I was glad she asked me to go with her."
But moving to America for someone is pretty special – really rather lovely. "I didn't think of it like that. I thought, the pleasure's all mine." After a brief pause, Turner adds: "The first time I went to New York it was really exciting and I thought, given half the chance, it would be nice to live there – the same with London. So if you get something to give you the impetus that's great…" His voice trails away, as if to say: "That's your lot."
Clearly Turner doesn't appreciate people nosing into his private life, which is fair enough. However, there is no denying his lyrics have changed – in places, become more thoughtful, tender – and part of the reason may be that he fell in love. There are songs on Suck It and See where he sounds in awe of one woman, others where he sounds in awe of all women. Certainly, there seems a difference between the sentiments of "Love is a Laserquest" ("I'm sure that you're still breaking hearts with the efficiency that only youth can harness"), or the title track ("Your kiss, it could put creases in the rain"), and a song from their first album, such as "Still Take You Home" ("I'm having a job talking to you"). In that track, the window on the male teenage brain is funny rather than offensive, but there's no doubting the song is more about testosterone than emotion. Would Turner agree that when he was first writing about girls, there was a lot more sexual aggression? "I suppose so," he says, "but there's always been a hint of romance to the lyrics."
In the past, Turner thinks he used to put either too much of himself into the songs or too little. "I needed to strike a balance between the two, and hopefully with this album it's like that." For a self-confessed "control freak", is it hard to reveal feelings? "Yeah, but often there were things in the songs that'd mean something to me, but they're disguised – I'd hide stuff. I think it's because at first I used to write so directly and that bled into me wanting to reject that and, you know… just be the walrus for a bit."
Back talking with all of the Monkeys, I ask about Nick Clegg, the MP for Sheffield Hallam. "Last time he came [to Sheffield] it was a big deal," says Helders. "Snipers on top of John Lewis. They were sealing drains off, putting in clingfilm, so that people couldn't put bombs down them." "Yeah," says Cook, "it was after he sided with the Conservative Party."
Do they think Clegg let people down? The table falls silent. Eventually, O'Malley says: "I don't know. I've heard people who are really into it, say, 'Yeah', so I'll say, 'Yeah'. Because I don't really know much about it."
Are they not particularly political? "Not particularly," says Helders. "Not because I don't want to be, I just haven't got around to it yet. I don't trust my own opinions."
I ask whether they have any views on tuition fees. Turner, who has been quiet until now, shifts in his seat. "We do," he says, "but whether we want to voice them in The Observer is a different conversation."
Weren't you dragged into politics early on, what with Gordon Brown namechecking you? They fall about laughing.
"Look where that got us!" cries Cook. "Yeah," says O'Malley. "I hear Thatcher got right into Humbug as well."
Joking apart, there was definitely a sense of social commentary in their earlier stuff – the kind of lyrics that could go into a space capsule to represent a moment in place and time. "While it was describing those situations, I wasn't necessarily offering an opinion on them," says Turner.
What do they think the job of a rock band is?
"Entertainment," replies Helders. "I can't think what else it would be."
Really? There are other levels, surely. Just before the Monkeys go to have their photographs taken, we are discussing the human impulse to make a mark and Turner says: "I remember Leonard Cohen talking once about wanting to move to New York to be a writer and, it's like, he just wanted to be good. There's nowt wrong with that, I think."
Certainly you get a sense that Turner has grown into more than just the singing. Four albums in, he has finally decided to publish his lyrics. Oddly, considering his awards, and quite touchingly, he says it took him time to identify himself as a songwriter. "I just misunderstood what it was, I think. But then I started to recognise that it was a craft, you know, something you could get better at. Then it dawned on me – I do write songs. That's me."
The final time I speak to Turner, it's over the phone, with a crowd roaring behind him, as the band waits to go on at Carlisle. The conversation turns again to the wider world and the question of whether bands should reflect the times. Whether, for example, they form the soundtrack to a war even if they're not directly about it.
"I think we touched on it the other day," he says. "You were saying, do you read the newspapers, are you interested? I know you're not talking about protest songs and, of course, I'm aware of what's going on to a degree, but…" He considers. "I just don't think I'm equipped to soundtrack the times. There might be someone out there who can do that, but I haven't cracked it. To quote another songwriter who had a crack at that, it ain't me, babe…"
How about their creative future? Noel Gallagher once said that he didn't realise that one day the songs would run out. "I've heard him say that."
Does he think that there is a finite number of songs in people? "I think I did – right after that first record, when I'd written maybe 20 songs in my life. I thought: what is this, can I keep this going? It was then that I realised songwriting is a craft and I could work and get better at it. And hopefully I have. It's what I was saying to you before, about the balance – putting yourself into it, but not completely."
Right now, with the new album coming out, he says he's not nervous at all. "I get nervous about gigs sometimes, but not with records – I always get excited. With every record we've done, the moment we've finished it, we've been really proud. We just want people to hear it – to share it."
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Vind ik dan weer een van de fijnere nummers. Dus ja, ze kunnen niet iedereen 100% tevreden stellenquote:Op zondag 29 mei 2011 02:02 schreef Bol_Wan het volgende:
Ik zap niks door maar imo had All my Own stunts en Thats were your wrong wel een stuk beter gekunt. Blijft niet hangen op deze manier
Op de Japanse editie is The Blond-O-Sonic Shimmer Trap toegevoegd als extra track, zie ik hier op eBay:quote:Op zondag 29 mei 2011 17:26 schreef Vatta het volgende:
Vind het album erg goed, maar het is voor mij wel hun minste tot nu toe.
Daarbij vind ik dat The Blond-0-shimmer trap best op het album had gekund.
Volgorde in nummers van favoriet tot minst favo.
1. That's Where You're Wrong
2. The Hellcat Spangled Shalalala
3. All My Own Stunts
4. Suck It and See
5. Library Pictures
6. She's Thunderstorms
7. Don't Sit Down 'Cause I've Moved Your Chair
8. Reckless Serenade
9. Black Treacle
10. Love Is a Laserquest
11. The Blond-O-Sonic Shimmer Trap ( ik weet het)
12. Brick By Brick
13. Piledriver Waltz
En op de Arctic Monkeys website.quote:Op maandag 30 mei 2011 12:57 schreef Zocalo het volgende:
Hij staat nu ook op Luisterpaal, maargoed iedereen hier kent hem al.
Inderdaad zeer lovend de flarden die er tot nu toe over zijn geschreven. En terecht natuurlijk. Terug op het oude niveau.quote:Op maandag 30 mei 2011 11:08 schreef febster het volgende:
Ik zie een AM hype aankomen. De (NL) recensies zullen iig positief tot zeer positief zijn.
En uit de tags is op te maken dat ie album van de week gaat worden bij 3VOOR12.quote:Op maandag 30 mei 2011 12:57 schreef Zocalo het volgende:
Hij staat nu ook op Luisterpaal, maargoed iedereen hier kent hem al.
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