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UPDATE 1-Libya rebels battle Gaddafi forces in oil town
Sun Apr 3, 2011 10:35am GMT
* Warplanes heard over Brega but rebels say no air strikes

BREGA, Libya, April 3 (Reuters) - Warplanes flew over Brega overnight as rebels fought troops loyal to Muammar Gaddafi for control of the east Libyan oil town, rebel fighters said.

A Reuters correspondent waiting near the eastern gate of Brega, a sparsely populated settlement spread over more than 25 km (15 miles), heard the thud of explosions and machinegun fire on Sunday morning.

Black smoke rose further west and hundreds of cars carrying volunteer rebel fighters streamed away from the town. Later, half a dozen rockets struck near the gate. Rebels waiting there held their ground.

"Those planes that circled last night didn't hit anything," said rebel fighter Osama Abdullah, suggesting the absence of air strikes was the result of NATO taking command of the coalition forces from France, the United States and Britain.

"(French President Nicolas) Sarkozy is great but NATO is not," said Abdullah.

A Western coalition air strike killed 13 rebels late on Friday near Brega's eastern gate. The rebel leadership called the bombing an unfortunate mistake and said air strikes were still needed against Gaddafi's better-armed units.
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 april 2011 12:31 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Armor-piercing Tomahawk? Daar stopte ik met lezen. :')

Er is KI-munitie, de Amerikanen gebruiken een variant van verarmd uranium, maar dat heeft niets met kruisraketten te maken.

Het zou best kunnen dat er verarmd uranium in kruisraketten zitten, maar dat verhaal wat je postte is onzin.

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okaj thnx, ja ik weet er niks van dus vroeg me af wat jullie ervan dachten .. ik kwam op wiki ook alleen dit tegen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armor-piercing_shot_and_shell )
maar bedankt voor je link!
hoezo adhd ?
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Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- The deadly battles in Libya forged ahead Sunday as pro-government forces shelled a medical clinic in the city of Misrata, killing one person and wounding 15 others, a hospital source said.

The source, a doctor who was not identified for security reasons, told CNN two people were injured by an initial mortar blast. The rest of the injured were wounded by a second mortar blast when they went to the scene of the first attack to help victims.

One of the injured is a 14-year-old child who suffered a fractured skull and is in a coma, the doctor said Sunday.

The clinic that was attacked had evacuated patients because of recent attacks, said another doctor at a Misrata hospital that received the patients. But it was being guarded by opposition "fighters and young people" who were injured.

Elsewhere in the city, the sound of heavy shelling was heard coming from the port area, a resident said.

CNN
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 15:12:28 #29
172669 Papierversnipperaar
Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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http://www.volkskrant.nl/(...)che-stad-Brega.dhtml

Libische rebellen en strijders van dictator Moammar Kadhafi zijn zondag in hevige gevechten verwikkeld aan de rand van de oostelijke stad Brega. De opstandelingen waren de stad ingetrokken, maar moesten weer weg omdat ze naar eigen zeggen in een hinderlaag waren gelopen.

De driehonderd tot vierhonderd rebellen hebben zich buiten de stad verschanst. 'We zijn geen leger. We kunnen niet dichter naar Brega, omdat we niet weten waar de vijand is. We kennen het gebied niet', vatte rebel Abdul Wahed Agouri de situatie samen.

Oliestad Brega is al dagen inzet van de strijd in het oosten van Libië. De stad is een soort niemandsland tussen beide strijdende partijen. De rebellen meldden zaterdag nog Brega weer in handen te hebben.
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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Volgens mij is de NAVO niet echt meer bezig daar met bombardementen.
No-Fly zone en dat is het wel zo'n beetje.
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 16:50:02 #31
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Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/(...)-op-weg-naar-athene/

De Libische vice-minister van Buitenlandse Zaken, Abdelati Obeidi, is per vliegtuig onderweg naar Griekenland, meldt Reuters op basis van een bron bij de Tunesische veiligheidsdienst. Het is niet bekend of het een vlucht is, dan wel een poging tot een diplomatieke uitweg.

Eerder vandaag meldde het Tunesische persbureau dat Obeidi over land vanuit Libië was gearriveerd. Vanaf het vliegveld Djerba, op het gelijknamige eiland net over de Libisch-Tunesische grens, is hij vervolgens naar Athene gevlogen.
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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Libya govt spox just left the hotel in a hurry. 10 minutes later we're hearing reports of another big defection.
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 17:38:25 #33
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Zondag naar de kerk
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 april 2011 14:56 schreef doeterniettoezegiktoch het volgende:

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okaj thnx, ja ik weet er niks van dus vroeg me af wat jullie ervan dachten .. ik kwam op wiki ook alleen dit tegen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armor-piercing_shot_and_shell )
maar bedankt voor je link!
ook wel interessant dan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 18:07:13 #34
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Ondertitel
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 april 2011 16:23 schreef Apache4U het volgende:
Volgens mij is de NAVO niet echt meer bezig daar met bombardementen.
No-Fly zone en dat is het wel zo'n beetje.
Achja, het lijkt me wel duidelijk dat er naar een politieke oplossing moet worden gezocht aangezien er aan de huidige situatie zo weinig gaat veranderen.

Dit kan zo nog eindeloos doorgaan.

Ben dan ook benieuwd wat die onderminister aan de Griekse premier te vertellen heeft.
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1s.gif Op zaterdag 2 april 2011 23:28 schreef zoefbust het volgende:
Vreemd er komen toch nog schepen binnen in Tripoli

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Boten vliegen niet, zo lang ze geen wapens brengen mogen ze ongetwijfeld aanmeren.
The problem is not the occupation, but how people deal with it.
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 19:48:09 #36
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Zondag naar de kerk
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Update 18.54 uur
Het lijkt nu dat Obeidi, waarnemend minister van Buitenlandse Zaken, niet gevlucht zou zijn naar Athene. Al Obeidi komt in Athene een boodschap van Gadhafi overbrengen aan de Griekse premier Giorgos Papandreou. De inhoud van de boodschap is volgens het Griekse Ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken niet bekend.

Volgens het bureau van Papandreou heeft de Libische premier Baghdadi Al Mahmudi zaterdag telefonisch met Papandreou gesproken. De Griekse premier pleegde zondag overleg over de Libische crisis met zijn Turkse ambtgenoot Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

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  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 19:49:36 #37
330125 Hans_van_Baalen
Zondag naar de kerk
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Ben benieuwd naar de boodschap.

En kan iemand een reden geven waarom deze man niet per direct wordt doorverwezen naar het internationaal strafhof in Den Haag?
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 21:12:38 #38
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Results may vary.
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Hij is aardig actief geweest zo te lezen, wat hij precies wil is, nog, onbekend.

AJE

Abdel Ati al-Obeidi, the Libyan deputy foreign minister, has met with George Papandreou, the Greek prime minister, in Athens, though officials refuse to divulge what the content of the discussions was.

Papandreou's office says that Baghdadi al-Mahmudi, the Libyan prime minister, requested the meeting during a phone conversation on Saturday. Papandreou has also discussed the Libyan crisis with British PM David Cameron on Friday, Qatari PM Sheikh Hamad bin Jabar al-Thani on Saturday and Turkish PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Sunday.

On Friday, al-Obeidi had said the Gaddafi government was attempting to hold talks with Britain, France and the United States.

Earlier, another Libyan envoy had visited Athens in March to meet with foreign ministry officials ahead of an EU meeting on the Libyan crisis.

Reuters

Libya official in Athens to convey Gaddafi message

(Reuters) - Libyan Deputy Foreign Minister Abdelati Obeidi flew to Greece Sunday to deliver a message from Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to the Greek prime minister, a senior government official told Reuters.

His trip came after Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou had a phone conversation with Libyan Prime Minister Al-Baghdadi Ali Al-Mahmudi Saturday on developments in Libya.

"They (Libyan government) requested to send an envoy with a message for Prime Minister George Papandreou and that is why he is in Athens," said the official, who asked not to be named.

It was not clear what the message was about, the official said. Obeidi was expected to meet Papandreou late Sunday, the prime minister's office said.

Along with Gaddafi, Papandreou spoke with Qatar's Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad Bin Jassim Bin Jabr Al Thani Saturday, Turkey's Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan Sunday, and UK's Prime Minister David Cameron Friday.

Earlier Sunday, a security source at Tunisia's Djerba airport told Reuters that Obeidi crossed from Libya into neighboring Tunisia and from there flew to Athens.

Tunisia's official TAP news agency also reported that Obeidi crossed overland into Tunisia and was heading to Djerba airport, near the border, adding that he was not on an official visit to Tunisia and had not been in contact with Tunisian officials.

Last week Libyan Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa crossed into Tunisia then flew from Djerba airport to Britain. The British government said he had defected.

In Tripoli, Libyan officials were not immediately available to comment on Obeidi's movements.

Obeidi served as prime minister under Gaddafi in the late 1970s, and later was head of the General People's Congress, or parliament. His current post is minister of state for European affairs.

Greece has said it will not send any warplanes or take part in air strikes against Libyan targets but the NATO-member country has made available to European and U.S. forces the Souda military base on the island of Crete and three other air bases.

(Reporting by Renee Maltezou and Tarek Amara; Editing by David Cowell)
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
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Reporting from Tripoli, chafing on Gadhafi's leash

TRIPOLI, Libya - At the Rixos Hotel, Moammar Gadhafi's gilded cage for foreign journalists, fistfights break out. Paranoia is high. And the Libyan government is on unblinking watch for any deviation in the official script.

Waitresses who serve coffee with smiles on their faces act more like trained intelligence agents hours later, when a woman bursts in claiming that militiamen had raped her. They expertly wrestle her to the ground.

Government minders feed reporters the narrative of a nation united behind its longtime leader, then arrest or even expel those who sneak away to find out for themselves. Government-led trips dubbed "magical mystery tours" by the press corps sometimes turn perilous.

And then there's the noise, the pro-Gadhafi music blaring on the bus with state journalists singing along and pumping their fists in time and even in journalists' rooms as housekeepers clean them.

The psychological stress is much different from that faced by reporters on the front line in eastern Libya, where bullets, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades are the threats.

The Rixos, by contrast, is a five-star hotel, though it has rapidly declined as journalists and minders have taken over the building and some staff have fled. Still, for Western journalists accustomed to press freedoms, working in Tripoli under Gadhafi's rules has in some ways been tougher than reporting from a battlefield.

One reporter muses about whether his dinner is being drugged. An Italian journalist punched a government minder and had to be pulled off the man by a couple of British reporters.

A French journalist threw his coffee at his cameraman during an argument, but it landed on the back of a government spokesman, who had to change his clothes. Another punching fight ensued.

"It has become a competition to see who gets kicked out first," one American journalist has a habit of saying.

Some journalists already have been deported most of them Arabic speakers. They are more tightly controlled than the rest of the corps because they understand the culture better, and have many times caught discrepancies in the government-paid translators who try to control the interviews and information.

When Iman al-Obeidi barged into the hotel to tell her story of being gang-raped, it was the Arab journalists who were harassed the most for trying to interview her. Government minders called them traitors of their own culture and said they should understand why the other Libyans were unhappy with her dramatic entrance.

Al-Obeidi now faces criminal charges.

Reporters are lectured at press conferences, accused of not doing their job, of not "asking the hard questions" or "asking the wrong questions."

When an Associated Press reporter was trying to decipher the exact story of how a missile allegedly hit a farm in Tripoli, the minders called her unprofessional and said she was trying to skew the story.

Journalists have to put up with the government control if they want to report from Tripoli. Even though they see little Gadhafi does not want them to see, they have a unique window on the conflict quite possibly the most important window if his regime falls.

For now, however, the experience can be disorienting and excruciating.

"Good moooorning all jooournalists!" Moussa Ibrahim's call booms over the hotel's public address system every day, the hint of a British accent in his perfect English betrays the 15 years he lived in the United Kingdom.

The hotel itself has lost some of its sheen. Hotel management has canceled room service and laundry service, and has taken all the pictures and decorations off the walls. Chairs and tables have been removed from a pretty terrace where some journalists used to drink coffee and work it's now a desolate hall people use as a smoking room.

Each day sees a "magical mystery tour" a government-run bus trip to see a location around Tripoli. It usually turns out to be nothing like what the minders described.

At their worst, the trips leave the press corps in fear of their lives. There was the night the bus ran out of gas outside the Gadhafi stronghold of Sirte, almost stranding journalists in the desert as rocket fire pounded nearby.

On another trip, unhappy locals opened gunfire at the bus and journalists had to run for cover.

The trips usually end with at least one very loud staged rally: Gadhafi supporters waving green flags and dancing around for the benefit of the television cameras. The print reporters will try to sidle to the sidelines to talk to anyone who seems like they're not part of the rally, only to be ushered back to the main crowd by the government minders.

Reporters are so tired of the staged rallies they now stand listless during the events, smoking cigarettes and wincing at the loud pro-Gadhafi shouting.

The hotel lobby has become a meeting point to share information, rumors and gossip for the reporters.

Sometimes a couple will attempt to sneak out of the hotel, minderless, but it has become increasingly difficult to do this with taxi drivers getting in trouble for driving foreigners around town.

If on the off chance, journalists are able to slip away and get one or two precious quotes of dissent in the capital, they walk around with the sense of pride that comes with beating the system, and brag to their colleagues and competitors about their work.

Usually the sneaking trips have ended badly some reporters were arrested, cuffed, detained for a day, disappeared for a few hours, or kept in a parking lot to get berated by Gadhafi militiamen.

Sometimes just being arrested feels like work has been done that day.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42402856
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Dit topic gaat echt dood binnen enkel dagen. Is ook logisch.
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 21:37:55 #41
172669 Papierversnipperaar
Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 april 2011 21:27 schreef zoefbust het volgende:
Reporting from Tripoli, chafing on Gadhafi's leash

Ik vroeg 2 weken geleden al wanneer de journo's in opstand zouden komen. :')
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 april 2011 21:28 schreef Lagrinta het volgende:
Dit topic gaat echt dood binnen enkel dagen. Is ook logisch.
Dat mocht je willen :6
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 21:47:20 #42
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I wish I had...
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Avond. O+

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turkse boot arriveerde hier in haven met 250 gewonden uit enclave Misrata...verschirkklelijk gewoon, boot vol met afgeknalde burgers. #Libie
32 minutes ago via web
2019: The Great Awakening
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 21:49:23 #43
172669 Papierversnipperaar
Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 april 2011 21:47 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
Avond. O+

GPD Middle East
turkse boot arriveerde hier in haven met 250 gewonden uit enclave Misrata...verschirkklelijk gewoon, boot vol met afgeknalde burgers. #Libie
32 minutes ago via web
Lijkt wel een serieuze Tweet :')
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 21:52:35 #44
330125 Hans_van_Baalen
Zondag naar de kerk
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Hij stond zelfs in de Volkskrant van de week die knaap :P
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 21:56:47 #45
173736 sunny16947
het kan altijd erger
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Turkey threatened to use its Veto in the @NATO if the air strikes continues that's why no air strikes. Confirmed #libya
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Snooker is top!!!
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 21:56:53 #46
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Praise Bastet
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1s.gif Op zondag 3 april 2011 21:47 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
Avond. O+

GPD Middle East
turkse boot arriveerde hier in haven met 250 gewonden uit enclave Misrata...verschirkklelijk gewoon, boot vol met afgeknalde burgers. #Libie
32 minutes ago via web
ben benieuwd naar wat meer info over deze boot met gewonden
There is only one religion
  zondag 3 april 2011 @ 21:58:03 #47
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I wish I had...
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Translated: new Libya Satellite channel in Qatar confirms Eman Al Obeidy is released from custody via telephone interview

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libyafeb17.com - The new Libyan Satellite channel broadcasting from Doha in Qatar has conducted a telephone interview with Eman Al Obeidi in Tripoli in which it is confirmed that Eman has been set free but is yet unable to go back to her family in Tobruk. No other news sources have confirmed this, but we have simply translated the telephone interview for you.
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2019: The Great Awakening
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Net buiten Brega zondag 3 april



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1s.gif Op zondag 3 april 2011 21:56 schreef sunny16947 het volgende:
Turkey threatened to use its Veto in the @NATO if the air strikes continues that's why no air strikes. Confirmed #libya
Huhh dat verklaart een hoop, het was al zo rustig de laaste dagen.
Maar zijn ze daar niet een beetje laat mee :?
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