MO Midden-Oosten
Bespreek hier de actuele situatie omtrent het Midden-Oosten.
A Libyan government spokesman later claimed he had not defected and was merely on a "diplomatic mission", but declined to say where he was going. Libya's deputy foreign minister Khalid Kaim dismissed the reports as "nonsense".quote:Op donderdag 31 maart 2011 00:18 schreef sunny16947 het volgende:
Ik ben erg benieuwd of dit nieuws in Tripoli terecht komt en hoe ze daar reageren.
De geruchten gaan dat die ook al een veilig heenkomen heeft gezocht en zijn vader niet meer steunt. Maar dat zijn nog geruchten.quote:
Iemand nieuws over Saif? Waar hangt die player uit?
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Wanneer was ie voor het laatst on State TV?quote:
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De geruchten gaan dat die ook al een veilig heenkomen heeft gezocht en zijn vader niet meer steunt. Maar dat zijn nog geruchten.
De Libische versie van Saeed Al-Sahhaf (Iraakse minister van info) sprak al van "complete nonsense" op de Libische staats tvquote:
Ik ben erg benieuwd of dit nieuws in Tripoli terecht komt en hoe ze daar reageren.
Sowieso petje af. Het is zo anders. Het lijkt mij iets om jaren over te doen en onwijs veel wil om dat te leren.quote:
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Mijn Arabisch is erg beperkt ik heb ooit een intensieve cursus gedaan voordat ik in het Midden Oosten en Noord Afrika ging werken, maar ben inmiddels een hoop 'kwijt'. Ook voor Arabisch geldt: "use it or lose it"...
Zal verder niet offtopic gaan maar ik klikte die FaceBook link aan die je postte.
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Saint-Mandé, 6 octobre 1929 - Paris, 7 août 2010.
Als je teveel denkt aan de tijd die je nog hebt vergeet je te leven.
Saint-Mandé, 6 octobre 1929 - Paris, 7 août 2010.
Als je teveel denkt aan de tijd die je nog hebt vergeet je te leven.
Idd. Al een hele tijd geleden. Ook geen interviews meer gegeven.quote:Op donderdag 31 maart 2011 00:21 schreef remlof het volgende:
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Wanneer was ie voor het laatst on State TV?
Mijn idee iets van een week geleden.quote:
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Wanneer was ie voor het laatst on State TV?
En ja de staatsTV kan het ontkennen maar hoe lang houden ze dat vol.
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quote:Sultan Al Qassemi
SultanAlQassemi Sultan Al Qassemi
Shalgam to Al Arabiya "On my last visit to Libya in Nov I went to Kusa's office, told him can you believe #Libya is a failed state?" He said
Musa Kusa (as per Shalgam) "Did you only now notice? (that #Libya is a failed state), Libya has been a failed state for tens of years"
Shalgam "Musa Kusa was angry, he spoke to me about what Gaddafi's sons were doing, he refused to sign some papers, I was worried about him"
Life is a tragedy for those who feel, but a comedy to those who think.
- Horace Walpole
- Horace Walpole
CNN:CIA is operating in #Libya to help the US increase its "military and political understanding" of the situation http://on.cnn.com/epsuH7
Tom Rayner
Libyana, a state news channel, just broadcast video of what they claimed was a soldier being lynched & beheaded outside Benghazi courthouse
Iyad El-Baghdadi
Some cool photos here: http://j.mp/hL66Bg ("Definitive" Libya revolution photo album)
Sultan Al Qassemi
Abdul Rahman Shalgam to Al Arabiya "Musa Kusa is the spinal cord of Gaddafi's regime, he is the key of keys & the code of codes" #Libya
Channel 4's Jonathan Rugman tweets: "Unnamed official in Tripoli: "if he (Kusa) is useful, they (the EU) will forget about what he did".
Tom Rayner
Libyana, a state news channel, just broadcast video of what they claimed was a soldier being lynched & beheaded outside Benghazi courthouse
Iyad El-Baghdadi
Some cool photos here: http://j.mp/hL66Bg ("Definitive" Libya revolution photo album)
Sultan Al Qassemi
Abdul Rahman Shalgam to Al Arabiya "Musa Kusa is the spinal cord of Gaddafi's regime, he is the key of keys & the code of codes" #Libya
Channel 4's Jonathan Rugman tweets: "Unnamed official in Tripoli: "if he (Kusa) is useful, they (the EU) will forget about what he did".
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
BBC
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2325: More from senior Libyan rebel commander Maj Gen Suleiman Mahmoud, who spoke to BBC's Newsnight earlier (see 1857). He says the rebels forces need time, patience and help to organise themselves. "Our problem we need help - communication, radios, we need weapons," he said, adding that the rebels had a strategy but fighters did not always obey orders.
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2325: More from senior Libyan rebel commander Maj Gen Suleiman Mahmoud, who spoke to BBC's Newsnight earlier (see 1857). He says the rebels forces need time, patience and help to organise themselves. "Our problem we need help - communication, radios, we need weapons," he said, adding that the rebels had a strategy but fighters did not always obey orders.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Lucht-grond raketten van een jetquote:
quote:Libya crisis: Gaddafi forces adopt rebel tactics
Ras Lanuf has now changed hands for the fourth time in three weeks. BBC world affairs editor John Simpson in Tripoli has been assessing the fighting.
Colonel Gaddafi's forces have changed their tactics.
The Libyan army has not always been known for its efficiency or its high morale.
Now though, it has shown a remarkable degree of flexibility, and has chosen to adopt tactics used by the rebels only a few days ago, when they were sweeping along the coastal road, apparently unstoppably, in the direction of Sirte.
The sudden turnaround of fortune is the result of several factors.
The first is that Colonel Gaddafi's army has decided to follow methods which the rebels have used so successfully.
Great panic
Its men are racing forward in the ordinary flat-bed trucks known elsewhere in Africa as 'technicals', with heavy machine-guns or anti-aircraft guns mounted on the back.
Others are equipped with mortars. Though these are quite light, they often cause great panic among the rebels, and are quick and easy to move forward.
Once the pro-Gaddafi forces managed to regain momentum, there was another shift in morale, and the rebels lost the confidence they had built up during the previous days.
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In Tripoli, government officials are noticeably relieved and happy
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The rebels have no perceptible command structure.
Individual gunners and their crews decide to go forward, if and when they choose, and vanish from the front line once they have had enough fighting.
Their morale has often been very high indeed, but when they are being beaten, it is easy for a retreat to turn into a rout.
The same is not true of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's army.
Their skills are not particularly impressive, and their morale until recently was noticeably lower than that of the rebels.
But when they are forced to withdraw, as they were at the start of the week, their training means that they can halt and regroup much more effectively than the rebels can.
And they have officers to urge them back into the fighting. The rebels have few, if any, officers.
Subterfuge
In the past, too, the rebels became used to the sight of Col Gaddafi's soldiers manoeuvring into positions from which they could surrender and come over to the other side.
But by now, most of the pro-Gaddafi forces who want to switch will probably have done so.
Libyan rebels flee Ras Lanuf as they come under fire by Gaddafi's forces Libyan rebels flee Ras Lanuf as they come under fire from Gaddafi's forces
Here in Tripoli, government officials are noticeably relieved and happy.
Just a few days ago they had to come to terms with the possibility that the rebels would capture Sirte and then advance up the coastal road to Tripoli itself.
There is another problem for the rebels. After the big advances which the pro-Gaddafi forces started making towards Benghazi 10 days ago, intervention by the coalition turned things round.
But it was fairly easy to destroy tanks and artillery from the air, even though, as we now know, the coalition's aircraft and missiles had difficulty dealing with tanks that had been well camouflaged or were stationed in narrow streets between houses, where ordinary civilians live.
Now the pro-Gaddafi forces have largely switched to the use of "technicals" of the kind the rebels use, the coalition will have much more difficulty identifying which ones belong on which side.
If the rebels try to mark their vehicles in some way, the pro-Gaddafi forces can be expected to follow suit.
The best that the rebels can probably hope for now is that the situation will stabilise and a stalemate can be established at some point along the coastal road to the east of Sirte.
That would make it far easier for coalition planes to identify the pro-Gaddafi troops.
But for that to happen, the rebels will have to overcome their terror of Col Gaddafi's mortars and the light motorised guns which his officers have copied from the rebels' own, and make a stand.
There may well be more changes of fortune to come along the coastal road.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Jonathan Rugman
Musa Kusa, the long time Gaddafi insider, ex spy chief, the man who brokered deal with Blair...is in UK and resigns as Libyan FM
^JR Coalition needs defection if goal is regime change, because bombing/rebels aren't achieving it.. Their best hope - collapse within?
^JR When Musa Kusa told press in Tripoli "the English are yearning for the colonial era of the past" he could barely look us in face...
^JR Government spokesman in Tripoli briefly emerged from a hotel room but is back inside working out how to handle foreign press on Kusa.
Unnamed official in Tripoli: "if he (Kusa) is useful, they (the EU) will forget about what he did".
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RT @marcambinder: About 50 UK troops in #Libya, including members of its Special Reconnaissance Regiment, providing targeting data for NATO.
Musa Kusa, the long time Gaddafi insider, ex spy chief, the man who brokered deal with Blair...is in UK and resigns as Libyan FM
^JR Coalition needs defection if goal is regime change, because bombing/rebels aren't achieving it.. Their best hope - collapse within?
^JR When Musa Kusa told press in Tripoli "the English are yearning for the colonial era of the past" he could barely look us in face...
^JR Government spokesman in Tripoli briefly emerged from a hotel room but is back inside working out how to handle foreign press on Kusa.
Unnamed official in Tripoli: "if he (Kusa) is useful, they (the EU) will forget about what he did".
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RT @marcambinder: About 50 UK troops in #Libya, including members of its Special Reconnaissance Regiment, providing targeting data for NATO.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
Ja, maar dan die pods die ze ook onder helicopters kunnen hangen en waar allemaal kleine raketten uit worden afgeschoten.quote:Op donderdag 31 maart 2011 00:39 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
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Lucht-grond raketten van een jet
Telegraph
22.30
Damien McElroy, the Telegraph's man in Tripoli, has more on the Koussa resignation.
A British official said Mr Koussa's decision to resign represented a significant blow to the Gaddafi regime but warned that there were delicate issues to be worked through in talks with the foreign minister. Late last night it was said to be impossible to predict the outcome of the negotiations.
As head of Libya external intelligence, Mr Koussa was an MI6 asset for almost two decades. He was charged with conducting negotiations to bring Libya in from the cold and giving up its weapons of mass destruction in 2003.
He was notably uncomfortable in making public statements on behalf of the regime in recent weeks. One Libyan official said that Mr Koussa deliberately timed his statements to present a "rational" argument in the immediate aftermath of Col Muammar Gaddafi's rambling statements on national television.
Officials in Tripoli refused to comment on the defection. "I will have something to say later. Right now I am too busy in meetings," said Moussa Ibrahim, the government spokesman.
23.00
A senior US official has told AFP that Mr Koussa's resignation was "very significant".
Quote This is a very significant defection and an indication that people around Gaddafi think the writing's on the wall.
23:08
Both the Foreign Office and the Metropolitan Police are refusing to comment on whether Mr Koussa is under armed guard, despite the Daily Telegraph pointing out that the Libyan diplomats expelled earlier today were sent home on the grounds that they were dangerous and they might not be happy with their old chum.
22.30
Damien McElroy, the Telegraph's man in Tripoli, has more on the Koussa resignation.
A British official said Mr Koussa's decision to resign represented a significant blow to the Gaddafi regime but warned that there were delicate issues to be worked through in talks with the foreign minister. Late last night it was said to be impossible to predict the outcome of the negotiations.
As head of Libya external intelligence, Mr Koussa was an MI6 asset for almost two decades. He was charged with conducting negotiations to bring Libya in from the cold and giving up its weapons of mass destruction in 2003.
He was notably uncomfortable in making public statements on behalf of the regime in recent weeks. One Libyan official said that Mr Koussa deliberately timed his statements to present a "rational" argument in the immediate aftermath of Col Muammar Gaddafi's rambling statements on national television.
Officials in Tripoli refused to comment on the defection. "I will have something to say later. Right now I am too busy in meetings," said Moussa Ibrahim, the government spokesman.
23.00
A senior US official has told AFP that Mr Koussa's resignation was "very significant".
Quote This is a very significant defection and an indication that people around Gaddafi think the writing's on the wall.
23:08
Both the Foreign Office and the Metropolitan Police are refusing to comment on whether Mr Koussa is under armed guard, despite the Daily Telegraph pointing out that the Libyan diplomats expelled earlier today were sent home on the grounds that they were dangerous and they might not be happy with their old chum.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
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Intel suggests also that #Seif Al-Islam has also left #Libya and is in an unknown location
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LIST 2: Abu-Zayd Dordah (cheif intel) Dr. Shukri Ghanim 9chief petroleum Comp)
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FULL LIST : Abu Al-Qassim Al-Zawi, Al-Ubaidi (Foreign Min EU senior official) Rafiq Al Zawi (London Emb) Ahmed Shalih (Wshington embassy)
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@ @IbnOmar2005 Names have been in contact with 'some' EU governments and some with US administration officials
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ksnavarra Karl Stagno-Navarra
@ @LibyaInMe Names have been referred to the persons checked in to hotels in #Djerba and secretly crossed over two days ago
Intel suggests also that #Seif Al-Islam has also left #Libya and is in an unknown location
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LIST 2: Abu-Zayd Dordah (cheif intel) Dr. Shukri Ghanim 9chief petroleum Comp)
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FULL LIST : Abu Al-Qassim Al-Zawi, Al-Ubaidi (Foreign Min EU senior official) Rafiq Al Zawi (London Emb) Ahmed Shalih (Wshington embassy)
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ksnavarra Karl Stagno-Navarra
@ @IbnOmar2005 Names have been in contact with 'some' EU governments and some with US administration officials
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@ @LibyaInMe Names have been referred to the persons checked in to hotels in #Djerba and secretly crossed over two days ago
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Om zichzelf te bevechten?quote:
Het is nu nog afwachten wanneer Gaddafi naar de revolutionairen overloopt
Brother leader? Die is toch al Guide of the Revolution?quote:
Het is nu nog afwachten wanneer Gaddafi naar de revolutionairen overloopt
Life is a tragedy for those who feel, but a comedy to those who think.
- Horace Walpole
- Horace Walpole
Wel mooi en veelzeggend al die overlopers, anderzijds jammer dat die lui waarschijnlijk geen cel van binnen zullen gaan zien.
BBC
Reuters has done a snap analysis on Moussa Koussa's defection. They point out that he was "hugely influential in Libya's ruling elite, and has been for decades, but he was not part of the innermost circle". They wonder whether his apparently open escape - in contrast to carefully disguised defections in the past - indicates that the fear of breaking away from Col Gaddafi might by declining. A Reuters photographer says Mr Koussa crossed into Tunisia in a convoy of armoured limousines.
BBC
Reuters has done a snap analysis on Moussa Koussa's defection. They point out that he was "hugely influential in Libya's ruling elite, and has been for decades, but he was not part of the innermost circle". They wonder whether his apparently open escape - in contrast to carefully disguised defections in the past - indicates that the fear of breaking away from Col Gaddafi might by declining. A Reuters photographer says Mr Koussa crossed into Tunisia in a convoy of armoured limousines.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
AJE: Al Jazeera has learned from sources in the Tunisian interior ministry that Koussa may have defected, and is believed to be negotiating passage for himself and his family. European diplomats have told Al Jazeera the same, including that Koussa may also be negotiating a deal for other senior Libyan officials.
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Tsja, Mussa Kussa was toch de man die de laatste jaren probeerde de banden met het westen aan te halen?
Wikipedia zegt:
Kussa worked as a security specialist for Libyan embassies in Europe before being appointed as Libya's Ambassador to the United Kingdom in 1980. He was expelled from the United Kingdom later in 1980, after stating his intention to eliminate political opponents of the Libyan government who were living in the UK.
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In an interview published by Al-Sharq al-Awsat on 10 November 2009, Kussa sharply criticized some aspects of Chinese investment in Africa. According to Kussa, it was unacceptable for the Chinese to bring "thousands of Chinese workers to Africa" when Africans themselves needed jobs, and he spoke of "a Chinese invasion of the African continent" that he said "brings to mind the effects that colonialism had on the African continent".
Wikipedia zegt:
Kussa worked as a security specialist for Libyan embassies in Europe before being appointed as Libya's Ambassador to the United Kingdom in 1980. He was expelled from the United Kingdom later in 1980, after stating his intention to eliminate political opponents of the Libyan government who were living in the UK.
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In an interview published by Al-Sharq al-Awsat on 10 November 2009, Kussa sharply criticized some aspects of Chinese investment in Africa. According to Kussa, it was unacceptable for the Chinese to bring "thousands of Chinese workers to Africa" when Africans themselves needed jobs, and he spoke of "a Chinese invasion of the African continent" that he said "brings to mind the effects that colonialism had on the African continent".
