Kerncentrales Japan #20

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 17:37 schreef flipsen het volgende:
Het zou wat zijn als Japan een hele dikke vinger geeft aan al die 2012-roepers en ervoor zorgt dat we nog dit jaar allemaal de pijp uit zijn...

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 17:51 schreef DDDDDaaf het volgende:

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De acties met helikopters en brandweerwagens zijn inmiddels net zo wanhopig als indertijd in Chernobyl, maar zo lang men geen brandweermensen, militairen en operators zonder enige vorm van beschermende kleding de reactoren instuurt, zou het dodental best wel eens een heel stuk lager kunnen komen te liggen.

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[quote] Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 18:01 schreef Joosterd het volgende:

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2011 17:51[/url] schreef DDDDDaaf het volgende:[/b]

9/11/01
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12/21/12

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De acties met helikopters en brandweerwagens zijn inmiddels net zo wanhopig als indertijd in Chernobyl, maar zo lang men geen brandweermensen, militairen en operators zonder enige vorm van beschermende kleding de reactoren instuurt, zou het dodental best wel eens een heel stuk lager kunnen komen te liggen.

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 17:55 schreef gebrokenglas het volgende:

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waaro?

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On March 14, Unit 3 of the Fukushima reactor exploded, sending a huge smoke plume into the air. This particular reactor, of course, contains the rods fueled with MOX. You can watch a clip of that explosion here:

Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant Reactor 3 explosion on March 14, 2011

If even a couple milligrams of MOX were released during this explosion -- or if other explosions at the plant inflict any damage on the MOX-filled rods -- then the consequences could be exponentially more devastating than the mere leakage of enriched uranium. And since nobody knows for sure exactly which rods have been damaged, and whether or not the situation can actually be contained, it is only a matter of time before the world finds out for sure.

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 18:09 schreef inperu het volgende:
dit is trouwens ook wel interesant :

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zie ook : http://www.naturalnews.com/031736_plutonium_enriched_uranium.html

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 18:12 schreef MaGNeT het volgende:

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Ik weet niet of het klopt maar als het zo is dan is het ernstig.

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 18:23 schreef Fukushima het volgende:
ik hoor net dat de normale tickets tokio - europa tegen de ¤8000 kosten!

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 18:24 schreef SemperSenseo het volgende:

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En andersom?

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 18:09 schreef inperu het volgende:
dit is trouwens ook wel interesant :

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zie ook : http://www.naturalnews.com/031736_plutonium_enriched_uranium.html

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 18:47 schreef oxylus11 het volgende:
Hoeveel Sievert ontvangen de medewerkets van de centrale op dit moment? Zijn daar nieuwe gegevens over? Ik ben ook benieuwd waarom ze de dosis niet in Gray uitdrukken, maar in Sievert.

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(NaturalNews) Based on all available reports at this time, it appears that the Japanese government has been severely downplaying the very real radiation threat the Japanese people face in the wake of the 9.1 magnitude earthquake and massive tsunami that occurred last Friday, which has left tens of thousands of people dead and missing, and numerous towns and cities in ruin. But now, a report has surfaced claiming that the Japanese government has been lying to those living close to the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor and pretending that the impending meltdown is not a significant threat.

Mayor Katsunobu Sakurai, Mayor of Minamisoma, population 71,000, says that immediately after the earthquake and tsunami, government officials ignored his calls asking for advice on how to handle the situation. Minamisoma, which sits a mere 12 miles downwind from the Fukushima plant, was devastated by the tsunami, and many of its residents are still missing, according to a recent report in the UK Daily Mail.

When Sakurai was finally able to get through to officials days after the disaster, they assured him there was nothing to worry about -- this despite the fact that the radioactive plumes being released from the Fukushima plant are literally visible with the naked eye when peering northwest out of the Minamisoma. So being a trusting man, Sakurai believed them and consequently did not instruct his people to evacuate.

But when Sakurai finally discovered that authorities were deliberately withholding the true severity of the nuclear fallout situation from both him and the people of Minamisoma, he was outraged. His city is just outside the government's recommended radius for evacuation, but is still close enough to be harmed by radiation. He told reporter David Jones from the Daily Mail the following, via an interpreter:

"Of course I am angry. I was ignored and then badly misled, and as a result the people were abandoned here to die. But I was the one who told them it was safe to stay, and now I have decided that I must be the last person to leave this city. I have been in my office since last Friday, and I won't go until the last person has left safely."

This deliberate act of defiant, but courageous, action is likely to be followed by many others in surrounding towns and cities that are coming to realize that the Japanese government, for whatever reason, is not telling people the whole truth about the reactor and its dangers. Hopefully by the time they do take action, it will not be already be too late for them.

It is important to note that the same officials who have been lying to the Japanese people are also telling the world that the situation at the Fukushima Daiichi reactors is under control, and that radiation levels are minimal. But based on their track record of honesty, can we honestly just take their word for it at this point?

Even though roughly half of Minamisoma's 71,000 people are said to have been evacuated as of the evening of March 17, there is no telling whether or not the levels of radiation they have already been exposed to within the past few several days will cause them any immediate or long-term damage. Our heart go out to them as they seek shelter and safety from the radioactive nightmare brewing right before their eyes.

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 18:04 schreef Temlin het volgende:
Hoeveel mensen zijn er toen dood gegaan bij tjernobyl?? Juist ja daaraan ging ook niet de hele wereld dood.

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 18:50 schreef gebrokenglas het volgende:

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Toevallig kwam ik daar vorige week - in the hunt for more information over metingen van radioactiviteit- in de wikipedia een opmerking over tegen:
In tegenstelling tot de sievert geeft de gray alleen het natuurkundige effect weer en niet het biologische effect.

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 19:00 schreef oxylus11 het volgende:

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Bedankt gebrokenglas. Ik kende dat verschil overigens al tussen beide grootheden. Echter ik doel juist op waarom gebruikt men de Sievert wanneer de straling egaal over het lichaam verspreid wordt (geen medische stralingsbron)? De Sievert wordt gebruikt om te corrigeren voor lichaamdeel en stralingssoort. Aangezien er hier maar 1 stralingssoort wordt gebruikt die het gehele lichaam bestraald van de medewerkers kanp ik het gebruik van de corrigerende eenheid niet zo. Maar het zal wel gebruikelijk zijn om het bij mensen zo uit te drukken.

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Temperatures in a cooling pool at the crippled Japanese nuclear plant have exceeded three times normal values, causing radiation to leak directly into the atmosphere and complicating efforts to stop three reactors from melting down, the UN Atomic Energy Agency reported.

The pond at reactor No. 4 covering uranium fuel rods at the Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant heated to 84 degrees Celsius (183 Fahrenheit) the last time data was available on March 13, the IAEA said today on its website. Temperatures normally should be kept below 25 degrees Celsius, according to the agency.

Authorities have said the cooling pool at the No. 4 reactor, hit by fire and explosion, is perhaps the most critical element of the atomic disaster.

Unit-4 remains a major safety concern, the Vienna-based agency said late yesterday in a statement. There was no information available on the level of water in the spent fuel pond, the agency said.

Japans Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said yesterday there is a possibility theres no water at the cooling pool. If exposed to air, the fuel rods could decay, catch fire and spew radioactive materials into the air.

U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Chairman Gregory Jaczko said in Congressional testimony March 16 that unit had no water in its cooling pool, which sits in a side chamber above the reactors core. A hydrogen explosion inside the cores containment chamber may have drained the pool, which is supposed to keep radiation in check by covering the rods with 15 meters of water.

We believe that radiation levels are extremely high, which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures, Jaczko said.
Other Ponds Hot

Temperatures in fuel ponds at units No. 5 and 6, also loaded with uranium fuel assemblies, exceeded two-times normal values, the IAEA said. Unit 5s temperature rose to 65.5 degrees Celsius from 64.2 degrees Celsius yesterday afternoon. Unit 6s temperature fell 0.5 degree to 62 Celsius.

Accidents may cause water in pools to leak, evaporate or boil away. Cooling and water circulation systems inside pool No. 4 werent working, the IAEA said.

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 18:57 schreef maartena het volgende:

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Lees je even in over de "Chernobyl Liquidators".

De "Liquidators", een groep van ongeveer 700.000 mensen, hebben van 1986 tot 1992 gewerkt in de regio rondom de kerncentrale om radioactiviteit op te ruimen, waar mogelijk.

Van die liquidators, zijn er naar schatting 60.000 intussen overleven, en hebben er nog eens meer dan 160.000 er permanente gezondheidsklachten aan over gehouden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidator_%28Chernobyl%29
https://iaea.org/newscent(...)15/liquidators.shtml

Wellicht is het even tijd om je oogkleppen af te zetten met betrekking tot Chernobyl, en de mogelijke gevolgen van deze ramp....

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 19:09 schreef electronique het volgende:

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intussen overleden aan ziektes die te linken zijn aan radioactieve straling of in zijn algemeen overleden?

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 19:11 schreef MaGNeT het volgende:

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Ze zijn niet overleden, staat er.

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 18:01 schreef Joosterd het volgende:

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Inderdaad, maar het lijkt me wel erg dat je een zekere of eventuele langzame dood tegemoet gaat?

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Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 19:14 schreef electronique het volgende:

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oh wacht.. er staat dat er 60.000 overleven zijn? wat ben je als je overleven bent?

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Mitsuhiko Tanaka, 67, working as an engineer at Babcock Hitachi K.K., helped design and supervise the manufacture of a $250 million steel pressure vessel for Tokyo Electric in 1975. Today, that vessel holds the fuel rods in the core of the No. 4 reactor at Fukushimas Dai-Ichi plant, hit by explosion and fire after the tsunami.

Tanaka says the vessel was damaged in the production process. He says he knows because he orchestrated the cover-up. When he brought his accusations to the government more than a decade later, he was ignored, he says.

The accident occurred when Tanaka and his team were strengthening the steel in the pressure vessel, heating it in a furnace to more than 600 degrees Celsius (1,112 degrees Fahrenheit), a temperature that melts metal. Braces that should have been inside the vessel during the blasting were either forgotten or fell over. After it cooled, Tanaka found that its walls had warped.
Felt Like a Hero

The law required the flawed vessel be scrapped, a loss that Tanaka said might have bankrupted the company. Rather than sacrifice years of work and risk the companys survival, Tanaka used computer modeling to devise a way to reshape the vessel so that no one would know it had been damaged. He did that with Hitachis blessings, he said.

I saved the company billions of yen, Tanaka said in an interview March 12, the day after the earthquake. Tanaka says he got a 3 million yen bonus ($38,000) from Hitachi and a plaque acknowledging his extraordinary effort in 1974. At the time, I felt like a hero.

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Back-up diesel generators that might have averted the disaster were positioned in a basement, where they were overwhelmed by waves.

This in the country that invented the word Tsunami, said Brockman, who also worked at the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Japan is going to have a look again at its regulatory process and whether its intrusive enough.

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Tokyo Electric ignored warnings about the tsunami risks that caused the crisis at Fukushima, Tatsuya Ito, who represented Fukushima prefecture in the national parliament from 1991 to 2003, said in a March 16 telephone interview.

The Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant was only designed to withstand a 5.7-meter tsunami, not the 7-meter wall of water generated by last weeks earthquake or the 6.4-meter tsunami that struck neighboring Miyagi prefecture after the Valdiva earthquake in 1960, Ito said.

The dangers posed by a tsunami the size of the one generated by the 9.5-magnitude Valdiva temblor off Chile are described in a 2002 report by the Japan Society of Civil Engineers, Ito said.

Tokyo Electric brought this upon itself, said Ito, who now heads the National Center for the Citizens Movement Against the Nuclear Threat, based in Tokyo. This accident unfolded as expected.