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Iran warns - keep out of Bahrain

AFP - Tehran - Iran's foreign ministry on Tuesday officially told Manama, Riyadh and Washington that military intervention by Gulf troops in Bahrain was "unacceptable," state television's website reported.

Iran summoned the ambassadors of Saudi Arabia and Switzerland, which represents US interests in the Islamic republic, as well as Bahrain's charge d'affaires, to convey the message, the report said.

"The entrance of Saudi forces in Bahrain will only further complicate the situation and transform an internal crisis into a regional one," Hossein Amir Abdolahian, head of the ministry's Persian Gulf and Middle East Affairs department, told Saudi envoy Mohammad al-Kalabi.

Riyadh on Monday sent troops to Bahrain to help the regime control Shi'ite-led pro-democracy opposition protesters, who have said any foreign force would be treated as an invading army.

Forces from the United Arab Emirates were also present, and Bahraini television showed convoys of unmarked, desert-brown armoured vehicles crossing from Saudi's Eastern Province into Bahrain, home of the US Fifth Fleet.

Iran also protested against the "illegal" US action in "supporting the intervention of foreign troops" in minority Sunni-ruled Bahrain, the state TV website quoted the ministry as saying in a separate report.

"The US support for military intervention is contrary to international laws... Thus the Islamic Republic of Iran considers America responsible for the dangerous consequences of this illegal action," an unidentified Iranian diplomat told Swiss ambassador Livia Leu Agosti, the report said.

Concern

The main Shi'ite opposition alliance says it wants a constitutional monarchy, but more radical Shi'ite groups have said they are protesting to topple the Sunni dynasty that has ruled Bahrain for more than 200 years.

Bahraini charge d'affaires Jafar Ahmad Ali Hubail was told of Iran's "serious concern" over the situation in the Gulf state.

"The action of foreign forces, no matter what their motives or form, is unacceptable and will only further complicate the situation in Bahrain," an unidentified Iranian diplomat told Hubail, the website said.

Protests erupted in Shi'ite-majority Bahrain on February 14 and several people have died in consequent crackdowns.

Complication

Earlier, foreign ministry spokesperson Ramin Mehmanparast said the military intervention will only complicate the already volatile situation in Bahrain.

"The presence of foreign forces cannot be acceptable and will make the situation more complicated and difficult," he said at his weekly news conference.

"Basically, we do not think it is right for forces of other countries, specially Persian Gulf countries, to be present or intervene in Bahrain's situation," he said.

"The people of Bahrain have demands, which are legitimate and are being expressed peacefully. Any violence in response to these legitimate demands should be stopped."

Parliament speaker Ali Larijani, who usually takes a tougher stance on foreign policy than the government, said Gulf states were acting under "American orders" and that the "roaring wrath" of the people awaited them, the official IRNA news agency reported.

Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi telephoned his Turkish and Qatari counterparts, as well as the Arab League secretary general, to discuss the situation in Bahrain, Mehr news agency reported.

"The intervention of foreign forces could lead to a regional crisis that would have serious consequences," it quoted Salehi as saying.

"It is necessary to respond to the demands of the population with common sense and perspective and without the intervention of foreign forces."

Demanding reform

Salehi on Monday asked the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) to "use all means to prevent the use of violence" in Bahrain, IRNA said.

Protesters on Monday blocked access roads to the Financial Harbour business complex in Bahrain's capital Manama, a day after more than 200 people were wounded in clashes between riot police and demonstrators.

Many of the country's disenfranchised Shi'ites see the banking district as a symbol of corruption, wealth and privilege, and opposition protesters are demanding far-reaching democratic reform.

The king has offered dialogue and a new, empowered parliament and other reforms but the opposition has refused to sit down to talks until the government resigns.
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Bahrein - het volgende land?

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These Are The Controversial Satellite Photos That Set Off Protests In Bahrain

Shocking video's uit Bahrein:



In een paar woorden: de sjiieten zijn in de meerderheid in Bahrein, maar het eiland wordt al 200 jaar bestuurd door soennitische dictators (een koningshuis). De sjiitische gemeenschap wordt achtergesteld, en het koningshuis importeert soennieten uit andere landen in de hoop het eiland om te toveren in een soennitisch eiland. Saoedi-Arabië heeft samen met de Verenigde Arabische Emiraten 1.000 soldaten gestuurd naar Bahrein. Vals spel! Het grote sjiitische buurland Iran is daar uiteraard niet blij mee. Iran is in staat om de Golflanden een kopje kleiner te maken. Ik ben benieuwd wat ze gaan doen. Vandaag is er iig 1 Saoedische bezetter gedood door een demonstrant. Het soennitische Egypte heeft ondertussen aangegeven de Bahreini's te steunen, maar opgeroepen om geen geweld te gebruiken en het voorbeeld van de Egyptenaren te volgen om de tiran van het eiland te verjagen.
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De gevaarlijke gebeurtenissen in Bahrein hebben ervoor gezorgd dat de spanningen in Irak flink zijn opgelopen. Ik geef Saoedi-Arabië de schuld hiervan. Hun extremistische salafistische ideologie bestempelt de sjiieten als ongelovigen, ze zijn dus altijd op ramkoers met de sjiieten en zoeken telkens het conflict op. De sjiieten laten natuurlijk weer niet met zich sollen. Vanaf hun oogpunt bezien vechten ze al 14 eeuwen lang tegen anti-sjiitische tirannen en zijn ze nu ook weer bereid om zich op te offeren in de strijd om hun religie's voortbestaan. Dit kan weer tot bloedige taferelen leiden.

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Bahrain showdown divides Iraqis on sectarian lines

Reuters - A regional showdown over Bahrain is exacerbating the split between Iraqi Shiites and Sunnis, who see the machinations of their neighbors through the lens of the sectarian divide that led to years of war in Iraq.

Iraqs own majority Shiites have adopted the cause of Bahrains majority Shiite demonstrators, who are protesting against the rule of a Sunni royal family that called in troops from Sunni-ruled Saudi Arabia. The UAE is also sending police.

Iraqi Sunnis, for their part, worry about the prospect of interference by their nemesis, non-Arab Shiite Iran.

For now, it is the Shiite community that has been galvanized. An Iraqi Shiite TV station has been running a banner across the top of the screen reading "Save Bahrain." Its reports describe the arrival of Saudi troops as an "occupation."

Moqtada al-Sadr, the outspoken Shiite cleric who long fought against the U.S. presence in Iraq, said an intervention that opposed the will of the Bahraini majority was "unjust."

"The popular revolution of Bahrain is rightful, and repressing it is absolutely unacceptable," he said in a statement read to Reuters by a spokesman. "We ask God to give the people of Bahrain patience in the ordeal they are suffering and for this to be the beginning of their victory."

Khalid al-Asadi, a Shiite lawmaker from Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Malikis ruling State of Law bloc, said intervention by Saudi Arabia and other Sunni neighbors on behalf of Bahrains rulers would only worsen sectarian strife.

"I think if the king wants the situation to move to normal in Bahrain, he has to ask these (Saudi) troops to leave. They could provoke tension and worry -- and sectarian tension as well -- in this beloved country," he said.

"Of course we dont want such a thing to happen to our brothers in Bahrain, but the Saudi and UAE intervention in Bahrain worries us."

"IRANS FINGERS"

Sunnis are concerned about what they see as the spreading influence of Iran, which has denounced the Saudi deployment in Bahrain as unacceptable.

"If we look at the critical situation in Bahrain, we would be too naive if we ignored the Iranian fingers. Having a Gulf country ruled by a Shiite majority would make Iran more proud than having the atomic bomb," said Ahmed Younis, a Sunni lawyer.

Iraq, like Bahrain, has a Shiite majority whose members complained for decades of being repressed by a ruling class of Sunni Muslims who dominate the rest of the Arab world.

When U.S. forces toppled Sunni dictator Saddam Hussein and replaced him with a largely Shiite government, militias from the two sects waged war that mainly targeted civilians, killing tens of thousands and driving millions from their homes.

Iraqs Sunnis blamed neighboring Shiite Iran for arming Shiite militia, while Shiites said nearby Arab states were aiding Sunni extremists to keep the majority from taking power.

Today, Iraqis blame the actors they say fomented their own war for taking sides in Bahrain.

Support for Bahrains Shiites resonates with ordinary Iraqi Shiites, who see it as a matter of winning democratic rights.

"One family runs a country for ages? Who would accept that? The Shiite majority should have their say in Bahrain," said Zainab Abdul-Kareem, a private bank worker taking time off to pick her daughter up from school. "Its a legitimate right and whoever ignores it, he must be either deaf or crazy."
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De VS moet SA gewoon steunen. Weg met die Ayatollahs.
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 15 maart 2011 22:29 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
De VS moet SA gewoon steunen. Weg met die Ayatollahs.
De VS moet liever niemand daar steunen.
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VS houdt zich er beter ook nog even buiten. Volgens mij is dit een strijd waar je je liever niet meer in mengt.
Wat gewoon is voor de spin, is chaos voor de vlieg.
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VS houdt zich er beter ook nog even buiten. Volgens mij is dit een strijd waar je je liever niet meer in mengt.
VS zitten er middenin. Iran zal toch echt iets moeten gaan doen om te zorgen dat hun invloed toeneemt in de regio...

Wat charismatisch zegt over Irak en soennieten geloof ik eerder dat Iran hier achter zit. Iran moet iets op dit moment, anders verliezen ze dadelijk hun moment. En afwachten nu is dodelijk voor de langere termijn.
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 15 maart 2011 22:29 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
De VS moet SA gewoon steunen. Weg met die Ayatollahs.
SA: vrouwen lopen rond in boerka's en mogen geen auto rijden.
Iran: hoofddoek is verplicht, maar vrouwen mogen auto rijden.

SA is extremistischer dan Iran, dat is een feit. Maar jij draait het om omdat je over een eigen anti-sjiitische agenda beschikt.
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SA: vrouwen lopen rond in boerka's en mogen geen auto rijden.
Iran: hoofddoek is verplicht, maar vrouwen mogen auto rijden.

SA is extremistischer dan Iran, dat is een feit. Maar jij draait het om omdat je over een eigen anti-sjiitische agenda beschikt.
Mij maakt het niet uit. Alle extremistische geloven zijn gewoon kl*. Of dat nu moslim/joods/christelijk is maakt geen drol uit.

Nederland had bijvoorbeeld al in de 16e te maken met Christelijke extremisten en alle gevolgen van dien. Is van alle tijden en zal wel nog wel lang blijven...
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Wat ideeën van de grootste oppositiepartij in Bahrein, die nu dus demonsteren:

a ban on the hanging of underwear on clothes lines

a ban on the display of lingerie mannequin

the right to legislate on issues relating to women and families is solely that of religious leaders.

more strict clothing guidelines at the University of Bahrain and other issues that it considers are against the teachings of Islam
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 15 maart 2011 23:36 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
Wat ideeën van de grootste oppositiepartij in Bahrein, die nu dus demonsteren:

a ban on the hanging of underwear on clothes lines

a ban on the display of lingerie mannequin

the right to legislate on issues relating to women and families is solely that of religious leaders.

more strict clothing guidelines at the University of Bahrain and other issues that it considers are against the teachings of Islam

Voor de 100ste keer: ze mogen zelf bepalen hoe ze willen leven, dat is hun goed recht. Het is hun land. De meerderheid bepaalt. Jij hebt het recht niet om je met hun interne aangelegenheden te bemoeien.

Of vind jij het goed als het islamitische leger Frankrijk binnenvalt omdat men daar boerka's/hoofddoek op school heeft verboden?
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Two killed in Bahrain violence despite martial law

At least two people have been killed and as many as 200 injured in clashes between anti-government demonstrators and security forces in Bahrain.

A doctor told the BBC he was treating many people with head and gunshot wounds, and that soldiers and police were using ambulances to attack people.

The violence came as the government announced a state of emergency and called in Saudi troops to keep order.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has appealed for calm and restraint.

"The use of force and violence from any source will only worsen the situation," she told reporters during a visit to the Egyptian capital, Cairo.

"Our advice to all sides is that they must take steps now to negotiation towards a political resolution," she added.

Mrs Clinton also said she had told Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal that "they, along with everyone else, need to be promoting the dialogue".

A diplomatic row has also flared over the issue, with Bahrain recalling its ambassador in Tehran and complaining of "blatant interference" in its affair because Iran had condemned the arrival of foreign forces.

'Occupation'

Earlier, Bahrain's King Hamad Bin Isa Al Khalifa decreed that there would be a three-month state of emergency to help restore order.

The head of the armed forces had been authorised to take all measures to "protect the safety of the country and its citizens", the announcement said.

On Monday, more than 1,000 troops from the Gulf Co-operation Council rolled into the country at the king's request, flashing victory signs.

Thousands of Bahrainis marched on the Saudi embassy in the capital, Manama, on Tuesday to protest against the intervention.

"People are angry. We want this occupation to end. We don't want anybody to help the Al Khalifa or us," a protester called Salman told the Reuters news agency, referring to the Sunni Muslim ruling family.

After the declaration of the state of emergency, many protesters set up barricades to protect themselves against the security forces. Young men, some wearing masks and carrying sticks, stood guard.

Later, there were violent clashes in several mainly Shia areas. In the village of Sitra, 15km (10 miles) south of Manama, police officers armed with shotguns fired on residents, a witness told the BBC.

Medics said more than 200 people had been injured in the clashes, and that two men - one Bahraini and the other Bangladeshi - had been killed.

State television said a Bahraini policeman was among the dead, denying media reports that a Saudi soldier had been shot and killed.

Bullet wounds

There were chaotic scenes at the Salmaniya medical centre, where many of the injured were brought.

A doctor at the medical centre's accident and emergency department said there were "many, many casualties".

"People are coming in with bullet wounds and injuries caused by rubber bullets. There are hundreds of people," he told the BBC. "We received one major case - a man whose skull had been split open by something."

Two other men were in a serious condition after being shot in the eyes, while a third had been shot in the back of the head, the doctor said.

"We were at the health centre in Sitra, and they shot at us. The doctors and nurses were all scared because the windows were being broken and we could hear the shooting. This is a disaster," he added.

He said police and soldiers - both Bahraini and foreign - had seized six ambulances, and then used them to attack protesters.

"The paramedics were kicked out, and they took the ambulances. They went everywhere in them and they were shooting people."

Other doctors appealed for international help to ensure access to the wounded. The BBC saw an ambulance that had been shot at.

The main Shia Muslim opposition group, al-Wefaq, condemned the state of emergency, and appealed for international help.

On Monday, it said the arrival of Gulf states troops - the first time that any Arab government has called for outside military help during the current wave of protests sweeping the region - was tantamount to a declaration of war.

Most members of Bahrain's majority Shia community majority community, which has long complained of discrimination and repression by the Sunni elite, say they want a constitutional monarchy and other democratic reforms. However, some have said they want a republic.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12751464
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  woensdag 16 maart 2011 @ 07:38:26 #12
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Ook wel een intressant stuk om door te lezen en de reactie's.

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Seif On Bahrain

As anyone would know, I am a devout believer in freedoms, revolution, and change in the Middle East. In the way I see it, I think we should change the Middle East, add new faces and really spice up the Middle Eastbut most importantly we need new ideas. Trust me, I believe in that like it is a religion. Why? Because maybe thats what we need to get on track again in this region. Anyways, with all the problems in Libya today, Bahrain seems to have fallen in the shadows. I have looked over the issue in Bahrain and this is what I think.

Really, I hope nobody gets offended with this but I am a fair man. I speak with all honesty in what I see as right, and what I see as wrong. So lets start. I have never lived in Bahrain in my life, so many people will say that my post is invalid and that I dont know anything, but bare with me. I did a quick comparison of Bahrain and Lebanon. Bahrain has high internet, one of the strongest economics in the Middle East, no taxes pretty muchwhat you make is literally what you keep (for all people), health care is free for all, education is virtually free compared to Beirut, and you do have the freedom to dress, act, and do as you please. Paying for water in Qatar equals 25 Bahraini Dinars, in Bahrian a water bill LITERALLY equals half a dinar. I think the problem arises when you mention the ruling party and like most monarchies that doesnt go too well. Comparing to Lebanon, Bahrainis live a pretty good life, or at least they do in the eyes of the outside world, because like I said I have never lived for an extended time in Bahrain. I know Shiites there have their own channel, but I cant remember its name for the life of me, they can participate in Ashura publicly, and mosques function just fine I mean it would be weird if they didnt have that freedom because most of Bahrain is in fact Shiite.

I thought I was over reacting when I read these stats of Bahrain, so I asked a Canadian friend for his opinion. His jaw dropped. To the floor. So what should be done? Initiative, Dialog, and an open mind! Reform, peace, and understanding should be on the mind of everyone in Bahrain. Removing the monarchy will harm instead of aid the nation, in MY eyes.

At first, I really did support this revolution, and I was excited for change there. But something turned me off. I tweeted the following: Bahrain, do not use terms Sunni or Shia as this will destroy your cause! Be united, do not follow Lebanons footsteps. I got a whole bunch of tweets, telling me they thanked me for that tweet and so on. Great. Then I got the following tweet: This is not a Sunni revolution, this is a Shiite revolution, Ya Husein! Umm what the hell? I have no problem with Shiites, in fact I could care less what anyones religion is. You could worship pickles and I would still like you for the person you are. So anywaysss, I got more and more of those tweets, and I sensed a serious problem inside Bahrain. It is not a united front. You can tell me it is until your blue in the face, but I do not think it is the case. Which poses a serious threat for the nation if the Royal Family is removed Lebanon all over again if you ask me. Civil strife, sectarian issues, and attacks. So what to do?

I think the best thing for Bahrain is a Constitutional Monarchy, something we have in England, Monaco, and Swaziland. I can see it now, I will get comments telling me that because I am a Sunni Muslim I support Bahrains Royal family WRONG! Like I said, I am obsessed with secular nations, so I dont care what religion the royal family is. I care about peace, and maintaining a healthy and prosperous Bahrain! I do agree, and I emphasize on this, that reform in the nation IS crucial, and I support it! But lets be fair, with all the bad that the world says the royal family is they did a lot for Bahrain. Just look at Manama! Anyways, I do wish the Bahraini people reform, and their needs and desires met but that doesnt change my mind that this revolution is strictly a sectarian one. I watched CBC yesterday, and of the 3 Bahrainis who were interviewed, only ONE used the word Bahrainis instead of Shiites. Just one. Iraq, Lebanon and their sectarian issues keep ringing in my ear.

I also tweeted today mentioning the Bahraini Queen Marwa. It wasnt an attack on her, as what is going on in Bahrain has nothing to do with her or Princess Thajba personally [who are both found on Twitter]. As a matter of fact, I am sure they support dialog and the opportunity for all to express their opinions just because they dont announce it out loud, doesnt mean they dont like it. Looking at the Queens tweets today, I found an interesting tweet from a while ago. She was proud of the unity in her nation. No matter where it was I am sure. She tweeted me back today, and I discovered a very classy and understanding woman educated to say the very least. So whatever the opinion is you may have on Bahrain, keep this in mind, the ones from this family who we find in Twitter, arent the ones to blame. So lets respect and acknowledge that.

P.S. As I wrote this blog, I looked up the main reasons the Bahrainis are protesting AND received a DM from an awesome Bahraini tweep who dissected it for me. She said Shiites in Bahrain live a very limited life, with not much opportunities as Sunnis in the nation. This must change for the betterment of the country. If that is the case, which like I said, I am unaware of because I have not lived in Bahrain, then yes ask for reforms, ask for dialog, and even ask for political bloggers to be released, but claiming Bahrain is an ultimate terrible place to live in is unfair. For heavens sake people, Lebanon is much worse than Bahrain! I encourage my Bahraini tweeps, my brothers and sisters inside the nation to sit back and look at the options, what Bahrain needs is a strong, united front with all sects, and dialog to gain reforms that they want. Removing a regime may not be the best thing for all nations. But reforms ARE.

I support all revolutions and causes from Lebanon to Zimbabwe, really. I support reform, but I really do not want to offend anyone, and if you think I am wrong, please be open and let me know! I am not out to defend or denounce anyone its just something I see. I love dialog, discussion, and opinions, so even if you disagree, I would love to hear it! My heart and prayers go out to those who have died, who suffered, and who faced brutality. God bless, and good luck to Bahrain all of the people inside it.
~Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.~
  woensdag 16 maart 2011 @ 08:42:11 #13
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or die trying!
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1s.gif Op dinsdag 15 maart 2011 23:36 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
Wat ideeën van de grootste oppositiepartij in Bahrein, die nu dus demonsteren:

a ban on the hanging of underwear on clothes lines

a ban on the display of lingerie mannequin

the right to legislate on issues relating to women and families is solely that of religious leaders.

more strict clothing guidelines at the University of Bahrain and other issues that it considers are against the teachings of Islam

Regels voor de gehele bevolking zou al een behoorlijke vooruitgang zijn. Nu hebben ze er ook nog discriminatie bij.
Laat me met rust!
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@ stuk van yavanna

Zegt eigenlijk genoeg dat die mensen zichzelf zien als shia ipv bahraini. Religieus extremistische opstand gewoon :r
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Iraq Shiite authority condemns Bahrain crackdown

AFP - BAGHDAD A leading Iraq-based Shiite Muslim authority on Wednesday condemned a deadly government crackdown on mainly Shiite protesters in Bahrain, saying the violence must stop immediately.

"We condemn this irresponsible act," Basheer al-Najafi, one of the world's four top Shiite authorities, said in a statement.

"We call on those responsible to immediately halt this injustice to citizens," Najafi said from his base in the Shrine city of Najaf in central Iraq.

Hundreds of Bahraini riot police early Wednesday launched an assault in Manama's Pearl Square, where protesters inspired by uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt have been camping for weeks demanding political reforms.

Bahrain's mainly Shiite opposition said at least two protesters were killed and dozens wounded in the violent assault.

The raid followed clashes in the kingdom between demonstrators and security forces in various Bahraini villages on Tuesday in which two people died and hundreds were hurt.

Najafi urged Bahrain's leadership to "avoid violence and sectarian strife, save lives, and take the wise path of negotiation as the best way to save the country."

Wednesday's clashes in Manama came a day after the Sunni King Hamad, boosted by the arrival in the Shiite-majority state of armed forces from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, declared a three-month state of emergency in a bid to quell the protests.

"We were surprised that the Bahraini government asked for forces from neighbouring countries, who targeted villages and people who had raised slogans of peace, and were targetted by gunfire and mortars," Najafi's statement said.

In Bahrain, five of the kingdom's top Shiite clerics had warned on Tuesday that a "horrible massacre is expected at Pearl Square against the people of this (Shiite) sect, only for peacefully demanding their rights."
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1s.gif Op woensdag 16 maart 2011 11:37 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
@ stuk van yavanna

Zegt eigenlijk genoeg dat die mensen zichzelf zien als shia ipv bahraini. Religieus extremistische opstand gewoon :r
Lul niet slap.

Als de koning zichzelf als een Bahreini zag dan zou hij sjiieten niet discrimineren.

- Granting citizenship to Sunni Muslims to help tilt the population more to their favor.
- Discriminating against Shias in various high level positions or levels.


Weg met die tiran!
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1s.gif Op woensdag 16 maart 2011 11:37 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:
@ stuk van yavanna

Zegt eigenlijk genoeg dat die mensen zichzelf zien als shia ipv bahraini. Religieus extremistische opstand gewoon :r
Zit je weer lekker die Bahreini's te demoniseren? Je denkt: als ik het maar blijf herhalen gelooft men het vanzelf. Beetje Wilders retoriek. In ieder geval maakt het niet uit aangezien Bahrein per definitie een probleem heeft als 70% van de bevolking zich tegen je keert. En daar zorgen ze zelf voor door woestijn-Arabieren uit dat geliefde Saoedische land over te laten komen om eigen volk af te knallen. Geest gaat niet meer terug in de fles :Y
Oorlog is de verderzetting van de politiek maar met andere middelen - Clausewitz
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7s.gif Op woensdag 16 maart 2011 07:38 schreef yavanna het volgende:
Ook wel een intressant stuk om door te lezen en de reactie's.

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Dit stukje zegt alles:

"if the Royal Family is removed (<= oorzaak | gevolg =>) Civil strife, sectarian issues, and attacks."

Zodra een sjiiet aan de macht is dan beginnen de soennieten met bomaanslagen, onthoofdingen, IED's etc.

Dit is net zoiets als dat de sjiieten aan de macht zouden zijn in soennitisch Marokko, en mochten ze verdreven worden beginnen de sjiieten de Marokkanen en masse op te blazen. Ofwel de sjiitische minderheid regeert, of Marokko zal geterroriseerd worden en voor altijd in onveiligheid leven.

Voorlopig zie ik het niet gebeuren dat sjiieten soennieten opblazen in landen waar de meerderheid soennitisch is om aan de macht te komen. Het zijn altijd de soennieten die dit doen. Ze doen dit omdat ze gewend zijn geraakt aan het pluche... de tiran van Bahrein regeert al sinds 1762? Geen wonder dat ze niet zo makkelijk opgeven. Hij veroorzaakt veel liever een regionale oorlog dan dat ie meteen optieft!
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Iraqs Sadr calls for protest against Bahrain deaths

(Reuters) - Iraqi Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr called for mass demonstrations in Baghdad and Basra on Wednesday in support of mainly-Shiite demonstrators in Bahrain.

The crackdown by Bahrains Saudi-backed Sunni royal family against demonstrators from the countrys Shiite majority has galvanized Iraqs own Shiite community, exacerbating the sectarian tension that led to years of war in Iraq.

"Moqtada al-Sadr is calling for demonstrations today in Baghdad and Basra to support the Bahraini people and to denounce and condemn the murdering of innocent revolutionaries," senior Sadr aide Hazem al-Araji told Reuters.
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@Charismatisch

Weet niet in welke wereld je leeft, maar die Tiran zal nooit weggaan daar. En indien hij weggaat zal zijn plaats meteen worden ingenomen door een gazel van SA.

De strategische ligging van het eilandje is van te groot belang om in handen te laten komen van de sjiieten.
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En nu krijgen ze steun van Sadr, Iraakse topterrorist.
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1s.gif Op woensdag 16 maart 2011 12:17 schreef johnnylove het volgende:
@Charismatisch

Weet niet in welke wereld je leeft, maar die Tiran zal nooit weggaan daar. En indien hij weggaat zal zijn plaats meteen worden ingenomen door een gazel van SA.

De strategische ligging van het eilandje is van te groot belang om in handen te laten komen van de sjiieten.
Het eiland ligt tussen SA en Iran. Jij denkt echt dat Iran niet in staat is om het van SA te winnen?

Verder is de positie van de Saoedische dictator ook niet al te sterk op dit moment. Ik verwacht dat nadat Bahrein valt, het einde voor Al Saoed in zicht zal zijn.
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Het eiland ligt tussen SA en Iran. Jij denkt echt dat Iran niet in staat is om het van SA te winnen?

Verder is de positie van de Saoedische dictator ook niet al te sterk op dit moment. Ik verwacht dat nadat Bahrein valt, het einde voor Al Saoed in zicht zal zijn.
Ik impliceer niet dat Iran niet kan winnen van SA en vice versa. Aan het eind zullen de Iraniers verliezen, doordat de rest van de wereld niet meer gegarandeerd is van de vrije stroom van olie.

Waarom denk je dat VS zicht afzijdig houdt in Libie? Als ze nu dat doen, hebben ze een probleem op de langere termijn met hun Islamitische "bondgenoten"

En ik denk ook dat je macht van Iran een beetje overdrijft. Ze hebben allemaal oud spul en vergeleken met de Saudisch spul. Daarnaast zal de manier van oorlog voeren ook totaal anders zijn dan de Amerikanen hebben gedaan in de omgeving....
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1s.gif Op woensdag 16 maart 2011 12:14 schreef Charismatisch het volgende:

Iraqs Sadr calls for protest against Bahrain deaths

(Reuters) - Iraqi Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr called for mass demonstrations in Baghdad and Basra on Wednesday in support of mainly-Shiite demonstrators in Bahrain.

Goede zaak ^O^ , kappen met die Saoedische bemoeienis waar Washington ook weer een grote vinger in pap heeft. Laat die soennitische "koning" het zelf oplossen als hij de ballen heeft... maar dit kan hij niet aangezien 70% van de mensen tegen je in het harnas werken een doodvonnis is. Laat men net zoals men aan de zijlijn staat toe te kijken in Libie dat ook in Bahrein doen.
Oorlog is de verderzetting van de politiek maar met andere middelen - Clausewitz
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Bahrain heeft de avondklok ingesteld. Wie weet geeft dit daar wel net zo'n extra impuls als in Egypte :)
Wat gewoon is voor de spin, is chaos voor de vlieg.
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