Revolutie in Libië #51 : Hoe het verder gaat

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ibyan4life RT @LibyaInMe: We're at 732 275 signatures..UN decision is tomorrow. LET'S SPREAD AND SIGN. 1 000 000 by TONIGHT http://bit.ly/igkiMX #libya #feb17

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:45 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Het front in London!

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This house is presumably the one where Saif Gaddafi spent so many days writing his London School of Economics PhD thesis.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:45 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Het front in London!

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This house is presumably the one where Saif Gaddafi spent so many days writing his London School of Economics PhD thesis.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:43 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:

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Reinforcements? Rebellen of Gadaffi?

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:51 schreef shomila het volgende:

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Ik denk de rebellen.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 19:04 schreef Bartholomaeus het volgende:
http://nos.nl/tekst/22443(...)ten-naar-europa.html

Kadhafi zendt gezanten naar Europa
Update: woensdag 9 mrt 2011, 18:59

Een vliegtuig van de Libische leider Kadhafi is vertrokken naar Caïro. Er zou een gezant in zitten die een boodschap van Kadhafi moet overbrengen. Verder zijn er berichten dat er toestellen van Kadhafi met gezanten onderweg zijn naar Europese hoofdsteden, waaronder Brussel. Daar is vrijdag een EU-top over Libië.

Kadafi heeft een beloning van bijna een half miljoen dollar gezet op het hoofd van oppositieleider Jalil, de leider van de Nationale Libische Raad.

Die raad stelde gisteren een ultimatum aan Kadhafi. Als hij binnen 72 uur vertrok zou hij niet strafrechtelijk worden vervolgd.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 18:31 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Confirmed: Talks between EU and Libyan diplomats in Brussels.

Bron: Catherine Ashton through AJE.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 19:18 schreef tass het volgende:
http://www.avaaz.org/nl/libya_no_fly_zone_1/?cl=979743425&v=8589
Allemaal tekenen please!
Geweldige organisatie die wereldwijd super bezig is!

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Robert Gates didn't mince his words though when he was talking about the no fly zone, he said Let's call a spade a spade. A no fly zone begins with a military intervention, a military bombardment meaning the aerial bombardment of Libya. So what does the no fly zone actually mean if we do get a UN Security Council resolution on this in the coming week?

David Lindorff: Well, whether it's UN or not it would be US forces and so a no fly zone would mean as Gates correctly said, an act of war because in order to enforce a no fly zone you first have to take out any possible anti-aircraft operations and the chance of planes flying up to engage your planes. So it means bombing the airfields; bombing every site where there is anti-aircraft guns or anti-missile emplacements - so that's a war.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 16:29 schreef MangoTree het volgende:

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^{Protest: squatters unfurl an anti-Gaddafi banner from the roof of the empty home owned by Saif Gaddafi in Hampstead Garden Suburb}

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 19:30 schreef truepositive het volgende:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/168859.html

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 19:35 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:

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Superactie!

Zouden de Gaddafi's ook onroerend goed in Nederland hebben?

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 19:36 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Als je dan toch oorlog gaat voeren kan je ook alleen de vliegvelden onklaar maken. Ben je eerder klaar.

regel 14, geloof ik. The rules of disinformation.

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VictoriaSyn #Libya #Anonops http://www.unitedaviation.ly - owned by the Gaddafi family ...I don't like this website 34 minutes ago via web

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iglooo101 RT @BreakingNews #Egypt quietly aiding rebel forces seeking to oust #Libya #GADDAFI #UPI http://bit.ly/gGatXE #TRIPOLI #EGYPT #ALGERIA 2 minutes ago via web

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BEIRUT, Lebanon, March 9 (UPI) -- Egypt, still grappling with a revolution that toppled President Hosni Mubarak in February, is reported to be quietly aiding rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

This is seen as part of a drive by the transitional regime in Cairo to restore Egypt's leadership of the Arab world.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_Ne(...)96518/#ixzz1G8IJrxAe

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 20:35 schreef t-8one het volgende:
Geweldige foto's: http://www.theatlantic.co(...)ing-conflict/100021/

Alleen deze gast
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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 20:44 schreef ChristianLebaneseFront het volgende:

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lol check em dan poseren. Je zou bijna denken dat ze echt onder invloed zijn

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 21:47 schreef Godshand het volgende:
Hoe zit het nu met de NL gevangen militairen?

Gaan we nog een commando aktie met commando's in burger opzetten, zodat ze weggehaald kunnen worden?

En anders stuur ff een oorlogsschip en dreig met het bombarderen van Tripoli.

Die noflyzone komt er toch wel..

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 21:47 schreef Godshand het volgende:
Hoe zit het nu met de NL gevangen militairen?

Gaan we nog een commando aktie met commando's in burger opzetten, zodat ze weggehaald kunnen worden?

En anders stuur ff een oorlogsschip en dreig met het bombarderen van Tripoli.

Die noflyzone komt er toch wel..

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 21:58 schreef Oidipous het volgende:
Ik vraag me wel af hoe hij gaat vluchten. In een Ka of in een Daffie?

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 21:58 schreef Oidipous het volgende:
Ik vraag me wel af hoe hij gaat vluchten. In een Ka of in een Daffie?

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9.46pm GMT: Two BBC journalists in Libya say they were tortured and subjected to a mock execution by members of Gaddafi's regime, it has been revealed.

The Guardian's Peter Beaumont reports from Tripoli:

The shocking account of their experiences, including being held in a cage in a militia barracks while others were tortured around them, was made available to media colleagues in Tripoli after the men had been released and left the country.

At one point during their captivity the men had shots fired past their heads as they were led into a barracks.

One of the men was attacked repeatedly with fists, boots, rifle butts, a stick and piece of pipe. He also described trying to help other victims of torture whom they saw, some of whom had had their ribs broken during beatings.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 22:53 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Nog bozere journo's

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Hele verhaal hier: http://www.guardian.co.uk(...)arrest-torture-libya

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 23:16 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
en zo vergaat het de bevolking dus ook of erger

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 23:24 schreef Pannenkoekenmix het volgende:
Bizar om te lezen dat dit dus word omschreven door sommige mensen als "hemels", in vergelijking tot Zawiya. Vraag me nog serieus af hoe het er nu aan toe gaat in Zawiya.

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:02 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
Ben Wedeman over de impact van een no-fly zone:
"Well it would probably prevent Libian airforce from flying over my head like they just did..."

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:05 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
Mooi verslag van die miep van aljazeera inder bullit proof jasje en helm

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:08 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
Eigenlijk weten we gewoon niet hoe het ervoor staat.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 23:34 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
Egypt 'aids Libyan rebels against Gadhafi'

BEIRUT, Lebanon, March 9 (UPI) -- Egypt, still grappling with a revolution that toppled President Hosni Mubarak in February, is reported to be quietly aiding rebel forces seeking to oust Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

This is seen as part of a drive by the transitional regime in Cairo to restore Egypt's leadership of the Arab world.

Arab sources say that the Egyptian commandoes are most likely from Unit 777 of the Egyptian army's Special Operations Command set up in the late 1970s. Unit 777's 250-300 personnel trains with Germany's elite GSG-9 counter-terrorism force, the U.S. Army's Delta Force and France's GIGN, special operations arm of the National Gendarmerie.

Artikel UPI

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 23:58 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
Goed videoverslag van Ben Wedeman op CNN

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:14 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Doet ut niet bij mij.

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:12 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:

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jewel maar echt positief is het niet , oostelijk komt men niet vooruit en westelijk is men aan het verliezen.

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:12 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:

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jewel maar echt positief is het niet , oostelijk komt men niet vooruit en westelijk is men aan het verliezen.

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:15 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:

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windows 98?

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:16 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Ghaddadi is ook niet aan het winnen. Gerommel in Tripoli, hij wilde persé vandaag Zawya hebben, maar dat is niet gelukt, hij stuurt hoge officieren het centrum in en die worden afgeknald. Wanhoop, gekte...

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:17 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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XP

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:16 schreef Ulpianus het volgende:

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Och, als je Ras Lanuf hebt is het misschien handiger om te beseffen dat je misschien een lijn kan trekken.
Je hebt immers alle oliepijpen.
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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:18 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:19 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Wat?

Niks mis met XP

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:19 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Wat?

Niks mis met XP

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:19 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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En daarom is Zawiya ook zo belangrijk.

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:20 schreef deleriouz het volgende:

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Pre-9/11 OS

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:21 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Tsss

NOS
CNN

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:23 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:

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is het zo erg?

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:34 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:35 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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Op de website van de NOS, niet eens in een journaal.

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 13:03 schreef shomila het volgende:
RawyaRageh Rawya Rageh
#BREAKING One of the three #Gaddafi family jets that took off from Tripoli landed in Cairo with Libyan official onboard #Egypt #Feb17
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Ze hebben hun bestemming veranderd en gaan alle 3 naar Cairo.

RawyaRageh Rawya Rageh
The #Gaddafi family jet that landed in #Egypt had a military official on board who'll be meeting with Egypt's military rulers #Libya #Feb17
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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:41 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Dus vandaar.

ik ga slapen

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Op woensdag 9 maart 2011 19:32 schreef truepositive het volgende:

Propaganda sways US opinion of Libya

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Death toll in Libyan popular uprising at 10,000
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The informed sources of the International Criminal Court, on Wednesday night, reported on the continuation of massacre of Libyan people by Muammar Gaddafi's military forces, putting the death toll in recent days at 10,000 people.



According to Al-Alam Network website, citing a member of the International Criminal Court, only in the city of Benghazi at least 2,000 people have been martyred.

Gaddafi said on Tuesday night that in case of continuation of protests, his regime will intensely suppress the Libyan people.

A political activist in Libya, Hassan Abul-Qasem, in an interview with Al-Alam Network, referred to Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi's televised speech, in which the Libyan dictator threatened the demonstrators, and warned against the possibility of the horrific massacre of people by the Libyan repressive regime.

He called on Libyan armed forces to join people and to use their weapons for defending people against the Libyan regime's mercenaries.

The main city of Benghazi and several other Libyan cities have been conquered by the revolutionary forces, and based on reports; Gaddafi only dominates a small district of Tripoli, which is highly guarded by the military forces.

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 00:42 schreef svann het volgende:
De Volkskrant meldde dat om 16.00 uur met als bron het ANP.

Niet eens op het journaal geweest dus?

 

De Libya: No-Fly Zone teller staat op 776.715 en tikt gestadig door.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk(...)prising-intervention
The front page of the New York Times website demonstrated at one point yesterday the irony of deploying the most mobile and powerful army in the world. And it has nothing to do with theories about the utility of force. In one report, US troops are struggling to persuade Afghan troops and police to fight the Taliban in Ghazni province in Afghanistan. Next to it is a report from Benghazi, Libya, where the local determination to fight Gaddafi is etched in deep lines on every face, but where the means to do so are wholly absent. In the former, US officers talk sceptically about the strategy. They call it the deep disconnect between the tactical (and possibly temporary) victories of US units against the Taliban, and the strategic aim of leaving a functioning Afghan state in place when they leave. In Libya, the only disconnect is between the will to fight and the means to do so effectively. The opposition is overwhelmed by the logistical problems of resupplying the front, maintaining political unity and simply answering the phone. Is this an argument for US soldiers doing in Libya what they are failing to do in Afghanistan?

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 01:45 schreef tass het volgende:

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En ik heb net als Papier, hetzelfde probleem.
Ik vind Ben een geweldige journalist maar CNN wil dus bepalen welke OS ik hier in Nijmegen op mijn pc zet zodat ik Ben kan zien!
Nou jammer dan, dan kijk ik wel niet naar Ben

Ben Wedeman's report from Ras Lanuf (3.9.11)

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 07:28 schreef MangoTree het volgende:
Goeiemorgen. Heftige foto.

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Ben Wedeman's report from Ras Lanuf (3.9.11)

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Hoard of Cash Lets Qaddafi Extend Fight Against Rebels

WASHINGTON The Libyan leader Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi has tens of billions in cash secretly hidden away in Tripoli, allowing him to prolong his fight against rebel forces despite an international freeze on many of the Libyan governments assets, according to American and other intelligence officials.

Colonel Qaddafi has control over the huge cash deposits, which have been stored at the Libyan Central Bank and other banks around the Libyan capital in recent years, the officials said.

Since the protests and fighting erupted, some of the money may have been moved into Colonel Qaddafis Tripoli compound, Bab Al Azizia, according to one person with ties to the Libyan government. While United States intelligence officials said they could not confirm such a move, one official said that Colonel Qaddafi likely has tens of billions in cash that he can access inside Libya.

The money in Libyan dinars, United States dollars and possibly other foreign currencies allows Colonel Qaddafi to pay his troops, African mercenaries and political supporters in the face of a determined uprising, said the intelligence officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

The huge cash reserves have, at least temporarily, diminished the impact of economic sanctions on Colonel Qaddafi and his government. The possibility that he could resist the rebellion in his country for a sustained period could place greater pressure for action on the Obama administration and European leaders, who had hoped that the Libyan leader would be forced from power quickly.

President Obamas national security team met at the White House on Wednesday to discuss how to oust the Libyan leader, including the possible imposition of a no-flight zone, but made no decisions, according to the White House press secretary, Jay Carney.

The United States has relied so far on imposing financial pain on the Qaddafi government, freezing nearly $32 billion of Libyas assets, according to Treasury Department officials. The United Nations and the European Union have imposed separate sanctions and have frozen assets as well.

But those actions have been limited to funds in the international banking system and to business investments outside of Libya. Inside the country, the intelligence officials said, Colonel Qaddafi has amassed a huge rainy day fund of cash.

Kenneth Barden, a lawyer who specializes in Middle East financing and advises financial institutions on ways to guard against money laundering, said there were indications that Colonel Qaddafi had moved billions of dollars in assets just days or weeks before the outbreak of violence in Tripoli, apparently to protect his family wealth from global sanctions.

The money that is kept in Qaddafis name is probably small, Mr. Barden said, but hes got a lot in the names of family members and close associates.

But Colonel Qaddafi probably began hoarding liquid assets far earlier, officials said. He has built up Libyas cash reserves in the years since the West began lifting economic sanctions on his government in 2004, following his decision to renounce unconventional weapons and cooperate with the United States in the fight against Al Qaeda. That led to a flood of Western investment in the Libyan oil and natural gas industries, and access to international oil and financial markets.

Colonel Qaddafi, however, apparently feared that sanctions would someday be reimposed and secretly began setting aside cash in Tripoli that could not be seized by Western banks, according to the officials. He used the Libyan Central Bank, which he controls, and private banks in the city. He also directed that many government transactions, including some sales on the international oil spot market, be conducted in cash. He learned to keep cash around, said the person with ties to Libyan government officials, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of putting them in jeopardy.

The reserves are likely to prove even more critical to Colonel Qaddafi as the governments revenues dwindle from oil production.

With the unrest, Libya is pumping just 300,000 to 400,000 barrels of oil a day, down sharply from its typical production of 1.8 million barrels a day, according to Holly Pattenden, head of oil and gas analysis at the Business Monitor International in London.

The current levels would be worth about $30 million to $40 million a day, but export markets are now virtually closed to the country, as international banks refuse to provide letters of credit for oil company shipments, according to Greg Priddy, a global oil analyst with the Eurasia Group in Washington.

I dont think they are deriving a lot of income from the export market right now, Mr. Priddy said. The international banks dont want to touch it. Still, several small Libyan refineries remain open, and Mr. Priddy said they were probably refining oil for the domestic market and fuel for Colonel Qaddafis military operations.

With other sources of income drying up, the Libyan leader is heavily dependent on his pile of cash, and apparently spending it to stay in power. He is making cash payments to political supporters in Tripoli to retain their loyalty, while also buying the services of African mercenaries.

The person close to the government estimated that 3,000 to 4,000 mercenaries from Mali, Niger and a rebel group operating in Darfur, Sudan, the Justice and Equality Movement, have been hired by the Libyan government for at least $1,000 a day apiece. United States intelligence officials said they could not confirm those numbers or amount of payments.

Intelligence officials and other experts credit Colonel Qaddafi with becoming very adept at hiding his money, and said it had often been difficult to distinguish between the assets of the Libyan government, including its $70 billion sovereign wealth fund, and the Qaddafi familys assets.

Mr. Qaddafis history of financial dealings indicate that he has surreptitious accounts and unaccounted sums that are significant enough to give him security even if the world caves in on him, said David Aufhauser, a top Treasury Department official in President George W. Bushs administration.

Justice Department documents show that Libya had worked with Swiss banks to launder international banking transactions for years, with hundreds of senior Libyan officials allowed to surreptitiously move money.

Tim Niblock, an expert on Libya and professor at the University of Exeter in Britain, said he believed that Colonel Qaddafi had hidden cash as far back as the 1990s. He said that it was part of a larger effort by the Libyan leader to protect his money from both the international community and his domestic foes.

Hes always aware that he faces problems from outside and within, Professor Niblock said. It would be quite foolish for him to not amass money for an eventuality like this.

Helene Cooper contributed reporting from Washington, and David Rohde from New York. Barclay Walsh contributed research from Washington.

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Op donderdag 10 maart 2011 07:16 schreef yavanna het volgende:
G'morning.

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