Revolutie in Libi� #37: waar steeds minder mensen Khaddafi steunen

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Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 00:14 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:

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das een goede start

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Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 00:22 schreef Lagrinta het volgende:

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Prima inderdaad, maar wel eisen dat hun biologisch melk maandagochtend al leveraar is. Mensen die milieubewust zijn, daar heb ik waardering voor, maar ze gaan zich vaak bemoeien met jouw keuzes. Vind ik prima, maar dan zal ik hun hypocrisi ook toelichten.

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Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 00:15 schreef Janena het volgende:
Ik moet eerlijk toegeven dat ik achteraf erg baal van het feit dat wij met Afriqiyah zijn gevlogen in januari....
En dan hoor je een maand later dat ze huurlingen hebben vervoerd.

Op dat moment hebben we gekozen voor de goedkoopste optie via Tripoli en de eerlijkheid gebied mij te zeggen dat het een prima luchtvaartmaatschapij is: mooie vliegtuigen, top personeel, hulpvaardig grondpersoneel in Tripoli.
Maar ja, wel opgericht door Gadaffi...

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Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 00:23 schreef bokaal het volgende:
Venezuela gaat in zee met Libi� // AJE:
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Chavez steunt Libi�, een oude vriend, maar staat niet achter elke keuze die gemaakt is.

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Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 00:24 schreef Lagrinta het volgende:

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Begrijp het enigszins, maar als er geen opstand was was je nu nog in slaap gesukkeld. Het geweld van afgelopen week is veel ernstiger dan normaal natuurlijk, maar Libi� is al 42 jaar dik mis natuurlijk.

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Op maandag 28 februari 2011 14:43 schreef aerdt het volgende:
Allereerst harstikke bedankt voor al jullie werk en dat meen ik oprecht.

Ik werk momenteel in Afrika, heb geen krant of televisie en vanwege slecht internet netwerk is dit forum vaak de enige manier om de situatie in het Midden-Oosten te volgen.

Echter, ik ben het ook een beetje met IntensiveGary en Jos eens.
Iets te vaak worden dingen te snel voor waarheid aangenomen, onder het mom van 'als Khadaffi dit gedaan heeft, dan is hij ook in staat dat te doen'. Het feit dat hier nu artikelen worden gebruikt waarin wordt gezegd dat een vliegtuig is neergeschoten -maar het kan echter ook een helikopter zijn- of zelfs waarin word beweerd dat gifgas is gebruikt (p7) is niet echt heel verstandig. Het gaat namelijk van de geloofwaardigheid af van dit forum.
Natuurlijk kan je erbij zetten dat het niet bevestigd is, maar door ze hier toch te gebruiken geef je geloofwaardigheid aan het verhaal.

Ik hoop trouwens dat jullie dit niet persoonlijk opvatten, want ik vind dat met name de 'gevestigde' media zich hier schuldig aan maken, wat in mijn ogen niet zou mogen.
Ik heb zelf ook in gewelddadige gebieden gewerkt en ik kan bevestigen dat het eerste slachtoffer in een oorlog inderdaad de waarheid is. Iedereen heeft een eigen agenda en verklaringen van oogetuigen blijken vaker niet dan wel waar te zijn. Niet noodzakelijk omdat ze liegen, maar het is eerder een psychologisch iets.

Ik schrijf dit overigens niet omdat ik Khadaffi zo'n aardige man vind. Wat mij betreft mag hij -en zijn andere vriendjes- aan de hoogste boom gehangen worden.
Maar het mag ook niet zo zijn dat we alles maar voor waarheid aan gaan nemen omdat we hem zo'n klootzak vinden!

Nogmaals bedankt voor al jullie werk -dit meen ik echt oprecht!-

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Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 00:24 schreef Lagrinta het volgende:

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Begrijp het enigszins, maar als er geen opstand was was je nu nog in slaap gesukkeld. Het geweld van afgelopen week is veel ernstiger dan normaal natuurlijk, maar Libi� is al 42 jaar dik mis natuurlijk.

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Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 00:33 schreef Janena het volgende:

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Ik was wel op de hoogte van Gadaffi en dat het een schurk is.
Mijn man komt uit west afrika en ik weet in grote lijnen wel ongeveer wei er waar aan de macht is op dat continent en of het er relatief goed of slecht vertoefen is....

Maar goed, het ontbrak mij wel aan kennis van Libie en ik was me er niet helemaal van bewust dat alle verdiensten van Afriqiyah in de zak van Gadaffi terecht kwamen.

Ik weet niet goed wat ik hiermee wil zeggen.
Ik denk dat voor veel mensen de keuze snel gemaakt is wanneer iets wat 'fout' is veel goedkoper is dan iets wat 'goed' is.

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mikeallen Mike Allen
SIREN -- banner of tomorrow's The Times of London: "Britain ready to use force to free Libya: Cameron says Gaddafis regime is illegitimate"

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DanEurope Dan
#cnn #feb17- #tripoli -#gaddafi #libya ---Germany Sends Three Warships To Libya~~~>http://bit.ly/hAODCF

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WASHINGTON The Defense Department has begun repositioning Navy warships to support possible action against Libya, as it accelerates planning on a range of options if asked by President Obama to intervene in the conflict there, officials said.

The Navy currently has an aircraft carrier strike group and an amphibious landing vessel, with Marines and helicopters, in the Red Sea.

Military planners are working on a wide range of options, said to include everything from imposing a no-fly zone over Libya to halt warplanes from attacking civilians to evacuation of wounded and innocents at risk to a more benign show of force off Libyas shores, officials said.

While any American military action would be described as humanitarian assistance, it no doubt would indirectly apply even more pressure to a regime already fighting rebels from its own military who are supporting a popular revolt against the authoritarian rule.

Pentagon officials said the United States certainly would seek an international consensus for action -- most likely from the United Nations but also within NATO. And there is no appetite for assigning American ground troops to any mission.But the scope and pacing of planning underway is a substantial increase from just a week ago, when officials in Washington said that the most likely military action would come from regional states, such as Italy or France.

Officials said that the Obama administration had realized that only the American military could lead across a full range of options to halt the violence. And, since last week, the number of casualties has risen into the thousands, increasing the need for review of American options across the board from military to diplomatic to economic.

This has been a fast-moving scenario, with the violence really accelerating over recent days, one official said.

The United States was concerned about speaking publicly about military options while a large number of Americans remained in Libya.Most have now left.

The United States has carried out a range of interventions short of invasion over past decades, from the no-fly zones enforced over northern and southern Iraq to the air campaign over Kosovo to relief missions in Africa. The American military has a large force of warships and combat and cargo aircraft available across Europe. bron

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Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 01:09 schreef Dance99Vv het volgende:
en dan kijk je nog effe naar AJE ziet daar een militair vliegveldje en daar staan ook effe 3 (zeker)of 4 straaljagers dat het totaal aan uitgeschakelde straaljages weer een flink sprongetje maakt naar 7 of 8
Hoeveel gadaffi er in het totaal heeft weet ik niet, maar het worden er zienderogen minder

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Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 01:15 schreef raistlin6 het volgende:

Mouammar Kadhafi discours Remix Zenga Zenga Pour www.dzgeek.com

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Libya: West ready to use force against Col Gaddafi amid chemical weapon fears
David Cameron and other Western leaders are on the brink of ordering military action against Col Muammar Gaddafi amid fears that the Libyan dictator could use chemical weapons against his own people.

The warnings were sounded after Col Gaddafi was accused of ordering Libyan aircraft to attack a radio station being used by rebels in the city of Benghazi

The Prime Minister disclosed that he would not rule out the use of military assets as Britain must not tolerate this regime using military forces against its own people. Britain and America are also thought to be considering arming rebel forces in Libya.
Adding to growing concern about the crumbling regimes ability to commit last desperate acts of mass murder, British sources have disclosed that Libya still has stocks of mustard gas chemicals.
Mr Cameron told MPs that Britain and its allies were considering using fighter jets to impose a no-fly zone over Libya, patrolling and shooting down Libyan aircraft ordered to attack protesters.
The Pentagon announced that the Americans had begun repositioning forces around Libya to provide flexibility. The French also announced that they would back a possible military intervention with Nato partners.
The warnings were sounded after Gaddafi was accused of ordering Libyan aircraft to attack a radio station being used by rebels in the city of Benghazi. An arms depot being used by anti-government forces was also blown up in the town of Ajdabiya, 100 miles further south.bron

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Blair's 'dodgy deal' to arm Gaddafi: Leaked paper shows how ex-PM agreed to supply military kit

Tony Blair's dodgy deals with Colonel Gaddafi were denounced by David Cameron last night as extraordinary details of Labours defence co-operation with Tripoli were laid bare.
A previously unpublished document shows that Mr Blairs Government agreed to supply military hardware and expertise to the despotic regime.
And it proves that there were plans for Britain to train Libyan military officers at its prestigious military colleges and institutions such as the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst.

With the possibility that British troops may go into action against the Libyan military, the document shows the extent to which they would be fighting forces trained by the UK.

The SAS did train Libyan special forces and Britain approved export licences for military kit, including rifles, ammunition and riot control equipment. At least one Libyan officer has trained at Sandhurst since 2007.

The former prime minister said he was appalled by what was happening in Libya, but it had been extremely important for our own security and that of the rest of the world to do business with the dictator.

Clear feelings: David Cameron attacked the previous Government in the House of Commons during a statement on the crisis

The document detailing the defence deal has previously been published on a Foreign Office wesbite, but has been removed. Yesterday it was leaked to the Daily Mail.

It summarises a defence co-operation agreement signed by Mr Blair and Gaddafi in the Libyan town of Sirte on May 29, 2007.

It mentions the conduct of joint exercises, training in operational planning processes, staff training, and command and control, and the acquisition of equipment and defence systems.

It spells out how the SAS would train Libyan special forces, which are now keeping Gaddafi in power, and called for co-operation in the training of specialised military units, special forces and border security units.

Other assistance included exchanges of information on current and developing military concepts, principles and best practice, as well as training co-operation relating to software, communications security, technology and the function of equipment and systems.

The agreement also called for Britain to help Libya with defence industrial, technological and equipment matters, including various military vehicles, ships and offshore patrol vessels and air defence systems.

It claimed that it was designed to contribute to the strengthening of security and stability in their two countries and the enhancement of peace and security in the Mediterranean region.

Instead, it is understood sniper rifles and riot control ammunition supplied by Britain have been used to kill Libyan rebels.

Mr Cameron made his feelings clear about the degree to which Mr Blairs Government jumped into bed with the Gaddafis.

When Ed Miliband demanded an apology from Mr Cameron in the Commons for the chaos surrounding British rescue efforts last week, he replied: Perhaps if apologies are in order you should think about one the appalling dodgy dealing with Libya under the last Government.

The PM spoke out after Mr Blair sought to justify his close links with the regime, which has prompted both Colonel Gaddafi and his son Saif to label Mr Blair a family friend.

The 2007 deal was signed three years after Mr Blairs original Deal in the Desert, which brought Gaddafi in from the cold once he agreed to abandon his nuclear weapons programme.

Last Friday Mr Blair twice called Colonel Gaddafi to tell him to hand over the reins of power.

Mr Blair sought to excuse the close links he has maintained with the Tripoli regime. He said: I have established an open relationship with him over the years. I do not think he was surprised to hear from me.

I am appalled as anyone else about what has been happening. But the reason we brought Libya in from a position of being ostracised by the international community into the community of nations was precisely because they changed their policy externally in a way that was extremely important for our own security and that of the rest of the world.

Mr Blair also said: I have never had any financial relationship with Libya or any part of the Libyan government.

Mr Blair is an adviser to JP Morgan, which is understood to have business interests in Libya, but he said it had not done business through his connections.

Downing Street confirmed that senior members of the Government have been in touch with Mr Blair.

But it emerged that while he had consulted U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton before conducting talks, he did not speak to the Foreign Office until afterwards.bron

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Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 00:31 schreef -jos- het volgende:
Beetje laat, maar:

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Jij ook bedankt voor deze zeer wijze woorden.

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Op dinsdag 1 maart 2011 01:41 schreef boekenplank het volgende:

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Aldus Jos de zelfpijper in deze nog immer bestaande rampentoeristtopics.