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  Moderator vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 22:15:40 #101
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Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:07 schreef Nielsch het volgende:

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wel als je het hebt over het achterhouden van informatie voor burgers.
ze kunnen thuis toch op wikileaks
totaal niet vergelijkbaar
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het valt me tegen van je, had je hoger ingeschat.
je breekt mijn hart ...
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 18:45 schreef Im.Kant. het volgende:

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Diplomatieke betrekkingen laten varen voor een of ander ideologisch 'alles-moet-openbaar-zijn' ideaal?

Kent niemand hier dan het begrip Realpolitik?

Velen lijken bevangen te zijn van het dwaze, irrationele en geromantiseerde idee dat de overheid absoluut geen geheimen mag hebben.
Geweldig toch? De opvatting dat de overheid er is voor de burger wordt blijkbaar nog breed gedragen.
  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 22:21:51 #103
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Er wordt heel weinig gepraat over de censuur die Twitter toepast op de trending topics. Vreemd wel.
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  Moderator vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 22:24:07 #104
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Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:21 schreef Pizzakoppo het volgende:

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Geweldig toch? De opvatting dat de overheid er is voor de burger wordt blijkbaar nog breed gedragen.
het een sluit het ander helemaal niet uit
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:21 schreef Pizzakoppo het volgende:

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Geweldig toch? De opvatting dat de overheid er is voor de burger wordt blijkbaar nog breed gedragen.
Dat is toch een beetje terugkeren naar het absolutisme dan?
Daar waren we evolutionair-politicologischgewijs toch al voorbij?
I´m back.
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7s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:21 schreef msnk het volgende:
Er wordt heel weinig gepraat over de censuur die Twitter toepast op de trending topics. Vreemd wel.
Tijdens de opstanden in Iran gebeurde juist het tegenovergestelde. De mennekes achter Twitter zijn duidelijk politiek bezig, wat ook verklaart waarom de media zoveel aandacht schenken aan dit medium. 'Eerste twitter-huwelijk', Wimlex twittert ook!' etc. De traditionele beïnvloedingsapparaten zijn impopulair, waardoor de behoefte aan sturen met moderne middelen wordt uitgebreid.
Je länger ein Blinder lebt, desto mehr sieht er - Viva la revolucion !
  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 22:33:43 #107
128088 Masanga
Hakuna matata!
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Het land dat Assange asiel biedt zal zich heel populair maken bij landen als de VS enzo.. :')
When all things seem to end, the future still remains..
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:33 schreef Masanga het volgende:
Het land dat Assange asiel biedt zal zich heel populair maken bij landen als de VS enzo.. :')
Wat denkt de VS wel niet joh.
I´m back.
  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 22:40:28 #109
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Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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7s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:21 schreef msnk het volgende:
Er wordt heel weinig gepraat over de censuur die Twitter toepast op de trending topics. Vreemd wel.
En er was ook iets met Google.
Free Assange! Hack the Planet
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:33 schreef Masanga het volgende:
Het land dat Assange asiel biedt zal zich heel populair maken bij landen als de VS enzo.. :')
Dat was Ecuador, eergisteren ; maar het aanbod werd na een paar uur al weer ingetrokken. Het oude verhaal van Amerika dat Zuid Amerika "overvleugelt".
  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 22:46:43 #111
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Diplomatic cables: Gaddafi risked nuclear disaster after UN slight

Highly enriched and unstable uranium left on Libyan runway because leader was banned from pitching tent in New York

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi WikiLeaks cables: Muammar Gaddafi was prepared to leave highly enriched uranium vulnerable to hijacking by terrorists or a disastrous meltdown in order to teach the UN a lesson. Photograph: Mohamed Messara/EPA

A potential "environmental disaster" was kept secret by the US last year when a large consignment of highly enriched uranium in Libya came close to cracking open and leaking radioactive material into the atmosphere.

The incident came after the mercurial Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi, suddenly went back on a promise to dispose of the weapons-grade uranium, apparently out of pique at a diplomatic slight received in New York when he was barred from pitching a tent outside the UN.

Leaked cables show that the shipment of seven metal casks each weighing five tonnes and only sealed for transport, not storage were left on the tarmac of a Libyan nuclear facility with a single armed guard. As US and Russian diplomats frantically lobbied Libyan officials, scientists warned that the uranium inside the casks was highly radioactive and rapidly heating up. The material was originally part of Gaddafi's nuclear weapons plan.

"Department of energy experts are deeply concerned by the safety and security risks," US ambassador Gene Cretz said in a secret cable back to Washington from Tripoli. "According to the DOE experts we have one month to resolve the situation before the safety and security concerns become a crisis.

"The temperature of the HEU [highly enriched uranium] fuel, which is radioactive, could reach such a level to cause cracking on the casks and release of radioactive nuclear material Security concerns alone dictate that we must employ all of our resources to find a timely solution to this problem and to keep any mention of it out of the press."

The casks containing 5.2kg of HEU were considered "highly transportable" and would have represented a huge prize for terrorists or would-be nuclear states. US officials, the cables show, urged the Libyans to disengage the crane at the site that would have allowed intruders to load the casks on to a vehicle.

The containers were sitting at Libya's Tajoura nuclear facility. The DOE team "only saw one security guard with a gun (although they did not know if it was loaded)".

"Given the highly transportable nature of the HEU and the shoddy security at Tajoura any mention of this issue in the press could pose serious security concerns. We have to assume that the Libyan leader is the source of the problem."

The crisis blew up on 20 November 2009. A phone call suddenly came that day from Libya's atomic energy director, Ali Gashut, just as a Russian heavy transport aircraft, a specialised Antonov 124-100, was due to arrive in Libya to take away the uranium for disposal. Gashut had been "instructed", he said, to prevent the plane from landing.

The US government had offered to pay Russia to take back the HEU and dispose of it. It had originally been supplied by Moscow, supposedly for research.

Libya's agreement to get rid of its HEU was part of a package for Gaddafi to end his pariah status by abandoning weapons of mass destruction. By autumn 2009 he should have sent back all his HEU and started to destroy his stock of Scud B missiles. By the end of 2010 he is supposed to have converted his Rabta chemical weapons factory into a pharmaceutical plant and destroyed nerve gas ingredients. The final step, next year, is for Libya to destroy stocks of mustard gas.

When the HEU crisis broke, Cretz finally managed to confront Gaddafi's influential son, Saif al-Islam. Saif announced that the Libyans were "fed up" and Gaddafi had felt "humiliated" by his recent treatment in New York.

US diplomats recorded privately that Gaddafi's own compatriots felt embarrassed and ashamed by what were termed his "antics" in New York that August.

Gaddafi had been refused consent to pitch a tent outside UN headquarters, and a rambling speech almost two hours long he made to the UN general assembly was greeted with considerable hostility.

Cretz suggested that a personal message from Hillary Clinton to Gaddafi himself might soothe the dictator. A placatory message was accordingly rapidly dispatched on 3 December. But permissions were still not granted. The HEU casks remained on the tarmac, getting hotter.

A US diplomat went to see the Libyan foreign minister in alarm and "described the environmental disaster that could take place We also are seeking a meeting with Saif al-Islam's aide in hopes of ensuring that senior Libyan officials understand the grave security and safety risks".

On 7 December the situation finally brightened: armed guards appeared at the nuclear plant. "A close aide to Saif al-Islam al-Qadhafi indicated that [Clinton's] message had been positively received and passed to the 'highest levels'."

There was more brinkmanship to come. The US said it would refuse to pay the $800,000 Russian transp ort bill unless the fuel was officially released by a deadline of 18 December.

Finally the giant Antonov plane was allowed to land. At dawn on 21 December, after a fraught month, it successfully took off for Russia with its radioactive cargo.

America's nuclear emergency team that oversaw the shipment reported that "the month-long impasse had taken a visible toll on Dr Ali Gashut, the head of the Libyan atomic energy establishment".

This year appears to have brought a new crisis this time over the promised destruction of Libya's 240 Scud B missiles. "General Ahmed Azwai insisted that the US was mostly responsible for Libya's delayed fulfillment of Scud B destruction commitments," another cable from Tripoli reported.

"Azwai blamed the US for hampering Libyan efforts to find alternative weapons system to replace its Scud B stock and refused to discuss a destruction timeline." He "insisted that the 2004 trilateral agreement included 'promises by the US and UK to find a replacement'."

The outcome of that dispute is unclear.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------PANEL "A GLIMPSE INTO LIBYAN LEADER QADHAFI'S ECCENTRICITIES" Under this title, a dispatch classified "Secret" of 29 Sep 2009 [227491] disclosed the dictator's reliance on a "voluptuous blonde" Ukrainian nurse S E C R E T NOFORN SUBJECT: A GLIMPSE INTO LIBYAN LEADER QADHAFI'S ECCENTRICITIES CLASSIFIED BY: Gene A. Cretz, Ambassador, U.S. Embassy Tripoli, Recent first-hand experiences with Libyan Leader Muammar al-Qadhafi and his staff, primarily in preparation for his UN [general assembly] trip, provided rare insights into Qadhafi's inner circle and personal proclivities

Qadhafi relies heavily on his long-time Ukrainian nurse, Galyna Kolotnytska, who has been described as a "voluptuous blonde. ".Libyan protocol staff emphasized to multiple Emboffs that Qadhafi cannot travel without Kolotnytska, as she alone "knows his routine".

" Some embassy contacts have claimed that Qadhafi and the 38 year-old Kolotnytska have a romantic relationship. While he did not comment on such rumors, a Ukrainian political officer recently confirmed that the Ukrainian nurses "travel everywhere with the Leader.

While it is tempting to dismiss his many eccentricities as signs of instability, Qadhafi is a complicated individual who has managed to stay in power for forty years through a skillful balancing of interests and realpolitik method
Bron: Guardian.co.uk

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  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 22:46:57 #112
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:33 schreef druide het volgende:

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Tijdens de opstanden in Iran gebeurde juist het tegenovergestelde. De mennekes achter Twitter zijn duidelijk politiek bezig, wat ook verklaart waarom de media zoveel aandacht schenken aan dit medium.
Inderdaad, zeer verwerpelijke houding ;(

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7s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:40 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:

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En er was ook iets met Google.
Hm, wat was dat?

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1s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:41 schreef quirigua het volgende:

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Dat was Ecuador, eergisteren ; maar het aanbod werd na een paar uur al weer ingetrokken. Het oude verhaal van Amerika dat Zuid Amerika "overvleugelt".
De president zei dat hij iemand die de wetten breekt, hoe oneerlijk die ook zijn, geen asiel zou geven en dat wat de minister had gezegd zijn persoonlijke mening was (die wilde Assange asiel bieden)
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  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 22:47:59 #113
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:46 schreef spoor4 het volgende:

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Bron: Guardian.co.uk
Dat die kerel zo instabiel is als een eend op meth met een bazooka op z'n rug wisten we al wat langer, maar dit... :{
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:46 schreef spoor4 het volgende:

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Bron: Guardian.co.uk
Gadaffi, wat een mongool.
PWBF
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7s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:46 schreef msnk het volgende:

De president zei dat hij iemand die de wetten breekt, hoe oneerlijk die ook zijn, geen asiel zou geven en dat wat de minister had gezegd zijn persoonlijke mening was (die wilde Assange asiel bieden)
Zo zeg je dat, in Latijns Amerika. En dan weet iedereen wat dat feitelijk betekent :W
Iets met niet op je achterhoofd gevallen zijn - - -
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Waarom lees ik overal dat Wikileaks amper toegankelijk is? Wikileaks is meer toegankelijk dan ooit vanwege alle nieuwe hosts en mirrors...
PWBF
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Dominic Weesie: "Voor ons is het oorlog. Dit is de eerste strijd tussen internet en de gevestigde orde. Internet - waar wij vandaan komen - steunt WikiLeaks. Punt uit."
PWBF
  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 23:03:19 #118
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Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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7s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:46 schreef msnk het volgende:

Hm, wat was dat?

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Dat google ook niet graag links naar WL produceert. Misschien iets in het vorige topic.
Free Assange! Hack the Planet
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 23:04:03 #119
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Franse minister en Pakistaanse hoge rechtbank willen Wikileaks verbieden

OVH however did not bow to the pressure, responding in a letter that it will refer the issue of the legality of hosting WikiLeaks to a judge, and that "it was not up to the politicians or OVH to request or decide the closure of the site."

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The Lahore High Court on Friday dismissed a petition seeking a ban on the Wikileaks website. The petition argued that "since Pakistan had good bilateral relations with a number of countries, particularly Saudi Arabia, the leakage of secret information would adversely affect these ties," reports Pakistan Dawn

High Court Justice Sheikh Azmat Saeed dismissed the petition, calling it non-maintainable. "We must bear the truth, no matter how harmful it is," Justice Saeed was quoted as saying.

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Wij bashen de Pakistanen wel vaak, maar dit doen ze toch netjes.
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Assange kan de sleutel niet vrijgeven zolang ze hem niet oppakken, want dan verliest hij de troef die hem bescherming moet bieden. ;)
Huidige trend atmosf. CO2 Mauna Loa: 411 ppm ,10 jaar geleden: 387 ppm , 25 jaar geleden: 358 ppm
  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 23:05:58 #121
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Bij P&W hebben ze het ook over de oproep om Assange politiek asiel te geven :D
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  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 23:07:21 #122
154952 spoor4
Spoort niet
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WikiLeaks cables claim Russia armed Georgian separatists

Grad missiles given to rebels in South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Russian campaign to undermine Georgia, US dispatches claim

Russian soldiers during clashes with Georgian troops in South Ossetia Russian soldiers during clashes with Georgian troops in South Ossetia. WikiLeaks cables allege Moscow armed rebels in the region. Photograph: Dmitry Kostyukov/AFP/Getty Images

Russia provided Grad missiles and other arms to separatists in South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and carried out a wave of "covert actions" to undermine Georgia in the runup to the 2008 Russian-Georgian war, US diplomatic cables say.

The Kremlin's hostile measures against Georgia included missile attacks, murder plots and "a host of smaller-scale actions", the leaked cables said. Russian secret services also ran a disinformation campaign against Georgia's pro-American, pro-Nato president, Mikheil Saakashvili, claiming he suffered from "paranoid dysfunction".

"The cumulative weight of the evidence of the last few years suggests that the Russians are aggressively playing a high-stakes covert game, and they consider few if any holds barred," the US ambassador in Tbilisi, John Tefft, wrote on 20 August 2007 in a classified cable.

One Kremlin aim was to remove Saakashvili, Tefft wrote. But the "variety and extent of the active measures suggests the deeper goal is turning Georgia from its Euroatlantic orientation back into the Russian fold", he said. Its aim was also to "provoke the Georgian leadership into a rash reaction that separates Georgia further from the west".

In the cable Tefft reviewed a long list of suspected Russian actions aimed at destabilising Georgia. These included a missile attack in Kodori an area of Abkhazia then controlled by Georgia the blowing up of a Georgian police car, and a suspected plot to kill an opposition figure.

Tefft said there was incontrovertible evidence that Moscow was giving "direct, if at times thinly veiled, support" to Georgia's two separatist regions against the wishes of the Georgian government. This support was also military: "The South Ossetians have reportedly received arms and equipment from Russia, including Grad missiles, on various occasions, including during recent tensions."

The ambassador's leaked cables are likely to reopen the acrimonious and still inconclusive debate over who was to blame for starting the 2008 war. Russia insists Saakashvili triggered the conflict by sending tanks in to recapture South Ossetia, prompting Russia to launch its own counteroperation to protect the lives of Russian citizens.

Saakashvili, however, insists he was forced to act after intolerable Russian provocation. He has blamed Moscow for deliberately frustrating his attempts to reach a deal with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and has said the Russians financed, armed, guided and nurtured the two separatist movements.

The cables broadly support Saakashvili's view. In his dispatches to Washington the ambassador reported that Russia's FSB spy agency directly controlled South Ossetia, with Russian FSB agents sitting in the government of rebel president Eduard Kokoity. "In South Ossetia, many de facto cabinet ministers and advisers to Kokoity are Russian officials in most cases believed to be FSB," Tefft wrote, noting that the FSB agents were rotated in and out of Russia.

Russia even paid the salaries of police and other civil servants in South Ossetia and increased their wages to stop them from defecting to a Georgian-backed rival administration. It also handed out Russian passports to 95% per cent of the enclave's residents, Tefft said, creating instant citizens whom Russia would "defend" the following year.

Tefft acknowledged that Abkhazia's de facto government had a "somewhat greater degree of independence from Moscow" than its South Ossetian counterpart. But he said it was evident the Russians still had "great leverage" over Abkhazia's Soviet-mentality president, Sergei Bagapsh, who frequently travelled to Moscow for consultations.

When Bagapsh fell ill in April 2007, he was flown to Moscow for emergency treatment on an FSB plane, Tefft said, citing information from the Georgians. Tefft went on: "Several sources have also told us that a senior FSB officer actually lives in a separate residence on Bagapsh's presidential compound."The cables make clear that in the months leading up to the war the Bush administration urged Saakashvili to shrug off Russia's goading and act with restraint. In a meeting in Paris on 13 June 2007, William Burns, then the US ambassador to Moscow, advised Saakashvili to "avoid antagonising them [the Russians]".

Burns expressed sympathy with the predicament of Saakashvili, who told the Americans he believed Putin was "personally committed to removing Abkhazia from Georgia" a prophecy that turned out to be correct. He said Russia couldn't be trusted, and called for a Nato membership action plan for Georgia as a "'deterrent' against Russian adventurism".

The cables also chronicle Russia's anger and growing frustration with Georgia. In November 2006 Russia's deputy foreign minister, Grigoriy Karasin, complained to Matt Bryza, the US deputy assistant secretary of state, after Tbilisi arrested four Russian officers on espionage charges. "Our patience is at an end," Karasin said.

According to a cable written by Burns, Bryza said the US had warned Saakashvili not to engage in any military action. "He (Byrza) has been clear with Saakashvili: if Georgia uses force or stumbles into a conflict, Saakashvili will find himself alone, blamed by the international community for recklessness." When the war began most western governments, including the UK, blamed the Kremlin seeing Russia's military operation not as a peacekeeping mission but an old-style invasion. To the chagrin of Washington, Moscow swiftly recognised South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent, arguing that the Americans had done the same thing with Kosovo.

The cables reveal that Russia's actions prompted much diplomatic soul-searching. On 28 August 2008 soon after the French president, Nicholas Sarkozy, brokered an EU peace deal the Foreign Office's defence and intelligence officials pondered the war's implications. Mariot Leslie now the UK's ambassador to Nato dubbed it a "strategic tectonic shift in international relations", the US embassy in London recorded.

Asked whether Russia's decision to go into Georgia was part of an overall change of strategy, Leslie replied with exquisite equivocation. She said she was "still assessing if it was a strategic decision or a tactical decision with strategic consequences".
Bron: Guardian.co.uk
  Moderator vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 23:16:11 #123
14679 crew  sp3c
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wederom oud nieuws :O
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 23:17:40 #124
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 23:16 schreef sp3c het volgende:
wederom oud nieuws :O
Nieuws rondom Gaddafi is toch best shocking to say the least.
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  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 23:24:54 #125
64670 Dagonet
Radicaal compromist
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 23:02 schreef Nielsch het volgende:
Dominic Weesie: "Voor ons is het oorlog. Dit is de eerste strijd tussen internet en de gevestigde orde. Internet - waar wij vandaan komen - steunt WikiLeaks. Punt uit."
Laat hem lekker voor zichzelf spreken.

Flikker op met die Assange, die gast is een aandachtshoer die zichzelf heel belangrijk is gaan vinden.
Op woensdag 24 sept. 2008 schreef Danny het volgende:
Dagonet doet onaardig tegen iedereen. Je bent dus helemaal niet zo bijzonder als je denkt...
Mijn grootste bijdrage aan de FP.
  Moderator vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 23:29:41 #126
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Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 23:17 schreef msnk het volgende:

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Nieuws rondom Gaddafi is toch best shocking to say the least.
ik viel niet van mijn stoel oid ... die gast is nu eenmaal een mafkees

maar het is wel nieuw nieuws idd daar heb je gelijk in
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
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1s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 23:29 schreef sp3c het volgende:

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ik viel niet van mijn stoel oid ... die gast is nu eenmaal een mafkees

maar het is wel nieuw nieuws idd daar heb je gelijk in
En het verhaal over de Duitse politicus die spioneerde voor de VS, die man die nu is afgetreden, was ook best nieuws.
PWBF
  Moderator vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 23:34:38 #128
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Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 23:32 schreef Nielsch het volgende:

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En het verhaal over de Duitse politicus die spioneerde voor de VS, die man die nu is afgetreden, was ook best nieuws.
de naam was nieuws

het probleem was bekend
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 23:36:31 #129
300435 Eyjafjallajoekull
Broertje van Katlaah
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14s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 23:24 schreef Dagonet het volgende:

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Laat hem lekker voor zichzelf spreken.

Flikker op met die Assange, die gast is een aandachtshoer die zichzelf heel belangrijk is gaan vinden.
Weet niet. Hij loopt er niet echt mee te koop. De media daaraantegen. Hij wordt door de media tot een held verheven. Doet hij niet zelf.
Opgeblazen gevoel of winderigheid? Zo opgelost met Rennie!
  vrijdag 3 december 2010 @ 23:58:35 #130
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14s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 23:24 schreef Dagonet het volgende:

Flikker op met die Assange, die gast is een aandachtshoer die zichzelf heel belangrijk is gaan vinden.
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Isopod
Julian, why do you think it was necessary to "give Wikileaks a face"? Don't you think it would be better if the organization was anonymous?
This whole debate has become very personal and reduced on you - "Julian Assange leaked documents", "Julian Assange is a terrorist", "Julian Assange alledgedly raped a woman", "Julian Assange should be assassinated", "Live Q&A qith Julian Assange" etc. Nobody talks about Wikileaks as an organization anymore. Many people don't even realize that there are other people behind Wikileaks, too.
And this, in my opinion, makes Wikileaks vulnerable because this enables your opponents to argue ad hominem. If they convince the public that you're an evil, woman-raping terrorist, then Wikileaks' credibility will be gone. Also, with due respect for all that you've done, I think it's unfair to all the other brave, hard working people behind Wikileaks, that you get so much credit.


Julian Assange:
This is an interesting question. I originally tried hard for the organisation to have no face, because I wanted egos to play no part in our activities. This followed the tradition of the French anonymous pure mathematians, who wrote under the collective allonym, "The Bourbaki". However this quickly led to tremendous distracting curiosity about who and random individuals claiming to represent us. In the end, someone must be responsible to the public and only a leadership that is willing to be publicly courageous can genuinely suggest that sources take risks for the greater good. In that process, I have become the lightening rod. I get undue attacks on every aspect of my life, but then I also get undue credit as some kind of balancing force
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Dit vind ik trouwens wel minder :P

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Julian.
I am a former British diplomat. In the course of my former duties I helped to coordinate multilateral action against a brutal regime in the Balkans, impose sanctions on a renegade state threatening ethnic cleansing, and negotiate a debt relief programme for an impoverished nation. None of this would have been possible without the security and secrecy of diplomatic correspondence, and the protection of that correspondence from publication under the laws of the UK and many other liberal and democratic states. An embassy which cannot securely offer advice or pass messages back to London is an embassy which cannot operate. Diplomacy cannot operate without discretion and the
protection of sources. This applies to the UK and the UN as much as the US.
In publishing this massive volume of correspondence, Wikileaks is not highlighting specific cases of wrongdoing but undermining the entire process of diplomacy. If you can publish US cables then you can publish UK telegrams and UN emails.
My question to you is: why should we not hold you personally responsible when next an international crisis goes unresolved because diplomats cannot function.


Julian Assange:
If you trim the vast editorial letter to the singular question actually asked, I would be happy to give it my attention.
AFC AJAX
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 00:03:32 #131
165924 msnk
AliceWonder <3
pi_89503218
Enge shit :P

quote:
Julian Assange:
The Cable Gate archive has been spread, along with significant material from the US and other countries to over 100,000 people in encrypted form. If something happens to us, the key parts will be released automatically. Further, the Cable Gate archives is in the hands of multiple news organisations. History will win. The world will be elevated to a better place. Will we survive? That depends on you.
AFC AJAX
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 00:19:42 #133
323707 Trava
WikiLeaks insurance password:
pi_89504070
Hier nog meer mirrors:

* wlcentral.org - Wikileaks news round up

* wikileaks.ch - Temporary Wikileaks Page [46.51.171.90, 184.72.37.90]

* wikileaks.org - Official Wikileaks Page [46.51.171.90, 184.72.37.90]

* cablegate.wikileaks.org - Secret US Embassy Cables [91.194.60.90, 91.194.60.112,

* chat.wikileaks.org - Secure SSL Chat Page [88.80.13.160]

* sunshinepress.org - Secure Document Submission Page [88.80.2.32]

* wikileaks.com - Points to Official Site [88.80.13.160]

* wikileaks.net - Points to Official Site [88.80.13.160]

* wikileaks.biz - Points to Official Site [88.80.13.160]

* wikileaks.de - Points to Official Site [88.80.13.160]

* wikileaks.eu - Points to Official Site [88.80.13.160]

* wikileaks.fi - Points to Official Site [88.80.13.160]

* wikileaks.mobi - Points to Official Site [88.80.13.160]

* wikileaks.nl - Points to Official Site [88.80.13.160]

* wikileaks.pl - Points to Official Site [88.80.13.160]

* wikileaks.us - Points to Official Site [88.80.13.160]

* ljsf.org - Points to Official Site [88.80.13.160]

Real mirrors on different IP Addresses

* wikileaks.info - Mirror hosted in Switzerland [62.2.16.94]

* wikileaks.se - Mirror hosted in Sweden [88.80.6.179]

* nyud.net - Mirror hosted in the United States [129.170.214.192]

Important Wikileaks Links

* twitter.com/wikileaks - Official Wikileaks Twitter Page

* facebook.com/wikileaks - Official Wikileaks Facebook Page
Het WikiLeaks insurance.rar password is: _____
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 00:23:56 #134
323707 Trava
WikiLeaks insurance password:
pi_89504309
WikiLeaks cables: Live Q&A with Julian Assange

quote:
Update: Thank you for all your questions. We have now closed comments on this article. Read Julian Assange's answers here.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is at the centre of intense media speculation and a hate campaign against him in America, following the leak of 250,000 US diplomatic cables.

He will be live online to answer Guardian readers' questions at 1pm today, subject to his access to an internet connection - which is very much a live issue. His online interview comes at the end of a week of shocking revelations from the cables and on a day when WikiLeaks has been fighting US attempts to take its website down.

Assange will answer your questions in the comments section below. From 1pm you will need to navigate to the latest comments for his replies.

Read more about the release of the US embassy cables
Het WikiLeaks insurance.rar password is: _____
pi_89504623
quote:
7s.gif Op vrijdag 3 december 2010 22:21 schreef msnk het volgende:
Er wordt heel weinig gepraat over de censuur die Twitter toepast op de trending topics. Vreemd wel.
In hoe verre, kun je Amerikaanse sites vertrouwen in deze kwestie.

Hoe betrouwbaar is Facebook ?
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 00:33:29 #136
250282 fluitbekzeenaald2.0
Oi u luzi chervona kalyna
pi_89504738
quote:
quote:
''Ik zeg niet dat wat hij doet verwerpelijk is, maar de schade is enorm. Maar het feit dat iemand dingen naar buiten brengt is op zichzelf nog niet juridisch strafbaar, dat zul je moeten bekijken in de context van wat hij naar buiten heeft gebracht. Dat kan ik niet overzien, noch voor de Nederlandse, noch voor de Amerikaanse wetgeving.''
:o

Klare taal weer van onze premier. Wat een visie, wat een stellingname.
Fluitbekzeenaalden zijn verwant aan de zeenaalden, de zeepaardjes en de trompetzeenaalden.
Van die laatste groep onderscheiden ze zich door de draadvormige verlenging van de middelste staartvinstralen (die bij de trompetzeenaalden ontbreken).
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 00:44:07 #137
165924 msnk
AliceWonder <3
pi_89505182
quote:
1s.gif Op zaterdag 4 december 2010 00:19 schreef Trava het volgende:
-knip-
Handig lijstje, in OP gezet.

quote:
1s.gif Op zaterdag 4 december 2010 00:23 schreef Trava het volgende:
WikiLeaks cables: Live Q&A with Julian Assange

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Dat was dus gisteren, hier zijn ze te belezen

quote:
1s.gif Op zaterdag 4 december 2010 00:30 schreef rja het volgende:

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In hoe verre, kun je Amerikaanse sites vertrouwen in deze kwestie.

Hoe betrouwbaar is Facebook ?
Tjah, welke sites? Ik gebruik zelf geen Facebook. Twitter heeft dus een bepaalde censuur toegepast, men kan nog wel 'vrij' tweeten, alleen niet trenden.
AFC AJAX
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 00:59:01 #138
165924 msnk
AliceWonder <3
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 01:03:59 #139
1055 Schanulleke
Een kop vol zaagsel!
pi_89506017
quote:
10s.gif Op zaterdag 4 december 2010 00:33 schreef fluitbekzeenaald2.0 het volgende:

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:o

Klare taal weer van onze premier. Wat een visie, wat een stellingname.
In dit geval is het niet nemen van een anti-wikileaks standpunt al stellingname genoeg.
Life is what you make it.
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 01:50:24 #141
165924 msnk
AliceWonder <3
pi_89507242
quote:
Op zaterdag 4 december 2010 01:05 schreef IHVK het volgende:
Er is geen twitter censuur

http://studentactivism.net/2010/11/28/wikileaks/
Cablegate trend ook niet, dat is mijn grootste bezwaar. Staat daar iets over? (mobiel)
AFC AJAX
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 01:59:01 #142
174847 WallOfStars
Open Source Intelligence
pi_89507398
hier een voorbeeld van de ruimte waar dhr Manning in werkte Green Room



meeste info komt van het Siprnet af links. een Misschien zelfs van JWICS maar daarvan is nog niets zichtbaars van gelekt.

TS/SCI/SAP info gaat per digitale one time pads op magnetic tape, en dan pas Spirnet/jwics of zelfs direct uplink via satalite. Via burst.

S/NF=Secret No Foreign (State Dept Memo's)Secret niveau 2.5 miljoen amerikanen acces
TS=Top Secret. (Toegang via clearence Vetting) ong 1.1 miljoen amerikanen hebben toegang
SCI=Sensitive Compartmented Information (veel de Leken dit is Need to Know level)
SAP=Special access Program. (SCI binnen DoD) ook need to know.
Welcome Mr. President, How can we serve you,
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 02:01:57 #143
32622 Elusive
Mad Fer It!!
pi_89507442

:o _O_
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 02:05:51 #144
165924 msnk
AliceWonder <3
pi_89507502
quote:
Op zaterdag 4 december 2010 02:01 schreef Elusive het volgende:
[ afbeelding ]
:o _O_
Oh my :D

En nu ga ik happy slapen, trusten moppies O+
AFC AJAX
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 03:41:27 #145
172669 Papierversnipperaar
Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
pi_89508172
quote:
Vertrouwen van het publiek lijkt me geen probleem als je geen geheimen meer hebt. _O-

Maar staat er echt dat hij zelf voor die openheid moet/gaat zorgen? :')
Free Assange! Hack the Planet
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 03:43:46 #146
172669 Papierversnipperaar
Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
pi_89508190
quote:
1s.gif Op zaterdag 4 december 2010 02:01 schreef Elusive het volgende:
[ afbeelding ]
:o _O_
When truth becomes treason, mooi gezegd.
Free Assange! Hack the Planet
[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
pi_89508374
quote:
González said he had evidence – thousands of wiretaps have been used in the last 10 years – that certain political parties in Russia worked hand in hand with mafia groups. He alleged that intelligence officials orchestrated gun shipments to Kurdish groups to destabilise Turkey and were pulling the strings behind the 2009 case of the Arctic Sea cargo ship suspected of carrying missiles destined for Iran.
http://www.guardian.co.uk(...)ia-mafia-kleptocracy

En Turken maar brabbelen over Israel :') :W
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 07:48:43 #148
298713 SemperSenseo
Een geniale ramp
pi_89508788
quote:
1s.gif Op zaterdag 4 december 2010 02:01 schreef Elusive het volgende:
[ afbeelding ]
:o _O_
Congreslid Ron Paul noemt Wikileakers "Heros":

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." - William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616)
  zaterdag 4 december 2010 @ 08:30:14 #149
298713 SemperSenseo
Een geniale ramp
pi_89508883
quote:
1s.gif Op zaterdag 4 december 2010 04:15 schreef WammesWaggel het volgende:

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http://www.guardian.co.uk(...)ia-mafia-kleptocracy

En Turken maar brabbelen over Israel :') :W
Ik had ergens iets gelezen dat er behoorlijk negatieve zaken naar buiten zijn gekomen over Turkije? :?
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." - William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616)
pi_89509481
Sommige geheimen dienen geheim te blijven, maar bepaalde informatie die geclassificeerd wordt als geheim heeft het volk recht op. Het probleem dat Wikileaks mijn inziens aankaart is dat we totaal geen weet hebben van wat er speelt in de wereld, we baseren meningen op gebrekkige informatie. Er is geen controle op welke informatie wordt achtergehouden, de staat beheerd en bepaald welke informatie geheim gehouden dient te worden en kan zo het volk "dom" houden
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