Nog een voorbeeld van manipulatie wat recentelijk in het nieuws is geweest:quote:"54-40 or fight. What does that mean?...Remember the Maine...Tippecanoe and Tyler, too...They're war slogans, Mr. Motss. We remember the slogans, we can't even remember the fucking wars. Y'know why? Cause it's show business. That's why I'm here. Naked girl, covered in Napalm. Five marines raising the flag, Mount Suribachi. V for Victory, Y'remember the picture, fifty years from now, they'll have forgotten the war. Gulf War? Smart bomb, falling down a chimney. Twenty-five-hundred missions a day, 100 days, one video of one bomb, Mr. Motss. The American people bought that war."
-Conrad 'Connie' Brean (played by Robert De Niro) from the movie Wag the Dog
Voor meer info over de Reuters foto fraud: http://zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/quote:The recent discovery that the Reuters news agency released a digitally manipulated photograph as an authentic image of the bombing in Beirut has drawn attention to the important topic of bias in the media. But lost in the frenzy over one particular image is an even more devastating fact: that over the last week Reuters has been caught red-handed in an astonishing variety of journalistic frauds in the photo coverage of the war in Lebanon.
It's important to understand that there is not just a single fraudulent Reuters photograph, nor even only one kind of fraudulent photograph. There are in fact dozens of photographs whose authenticity has been questioned, and they fall into four distinct categories.
The four types of photographic fraud perpetrated by Reuters photographers and editors are:
1. Digitally manipulating images after the photographs have been taken.
2. Photographing scenes staged by Hezbollah and presenting the images as if they were of authentic spontaneous news events.
3. Photographers themselves staging scenes or moving objects, and presenting photos of the set-ups as if they were naturally occurring.
4. Giving false or misleading captions to otherwise real photos that were taken at a different time or place.
Goed, ik heb nu niet heel veel tijd om er echt een uitgebreide en goede startpost van te maken, maar ik hoop dat duidelijk is waar ik heen wil. Het is wat mij betreft een zeer gevaarlijke ontwikkeling. De tijd dat het verschil tussen realiteit en fictie duidelijk zichtbaar is, is wat dat betreft gewoon voorbij. Ik zou het dan ook leuk vinden als hier een levendige discussie ontstaat.quote:Let us take just one example of how current technologies could be used for strategic-level information warfare. If, say, the capabilities of already well-known Hollywood technologies to simulate reality were added to our arsenal, a genuinely revolutionary new form of warfare would become possible. Today, the techniques of combining live actors with computer-generated video graphics can easily create a "virtual" news conference, summit meeting, or perhaps even a battle that would exist in "effect" though not in physical fact. Stored video images can be recombined or "morphed" endlessly to produce any effect chosen. This moves well beyond traditional military deception, and now, perhaps, "pictures" will be worth a thousand tanks. Imagine the effect of a nationwide broadcast in banditland of the meeting between the "digitized" maximum leader and a "digitized" Jimmy Carter in which all loyal soldiers are told to cease fighting and return to their homes. The targets of information warfare, remember, are the decisions in the opponent's mind, and the battlespace of the human mind is also the zone of illusion.
Bron: http://www.iwar.org.uk/iwar/resources/airchronicles/stein.htm
Dankjewelquote:
Dank!quote:Op vrijdag 19 november 2010 16:09 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
Mooi topic. Goeie OP.
Zoals die foto van Mubarak... Reken maar dat zoiets vaker gebeurt. Zo worden we in de maling genomen en onwillekeurig beinvloed.
Ook zogenaamde live-programma's die niet live zijn, maar waaruit dingen die niet in de kraam te pas komen even verwijderd worden.
Wat denk je zelf? Natuurlijk zit daar een doel aan. Over het algemeen kun je denken aan het beïnvloeden van een bepaalde doelgroep. Zo is de fake war on terror in mijn ogen niets meer dan propaganda om de publieke opinie te doen verschuiven en angst te zaaien om zo bijvoorbeeld oorlog te rechtvaardigen en privacy beperkende maatregelen er doorheen te krijgen. Wellicht gaat het zelfs nog veel dieper dan dit en kunnen we alleen maar gissen naar de werkelijke motieven.quote:Op vrijdag 19 november 2010 16:13 schreef DroogDok het volgende:
Zit er nog een doel aan deze "propaganda" denk je TS?
Dank!quote:Op vrijdag 19 november 2010 16:16 schreef Brawler het volgende:
Ik moet eerlijk toegeven dat ik het niet zo op BNW heb, maar dit is een goed topic! Ook veel aandacht aan de OP geschonkenDeze blijf ik zeker volgen!
Thanks!quote:Op vrijdag 19 november 2010 17:20 schreef ForbiddenChapters het volgende:
Goede OP![]()
Ik had laatst ook nog een theorie voorbij zien komen over 9/11, dat de vliegtuig ook ge Photoshoped was, Dus dat kan ook verklaren waarom BBC te vroeg was met het uitzenden van dit filmpje.
alles lag al klaar...
quote:Op vrijdag 19 november 2010 18:59 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Tja, ik ben inderdaad van mening dat de torens niet door vliegtuigen zijn geraakt. De (live) beelden zijn zo gemanipuleerd dat wij allemaal in de illusie zijn dat er vliegtuigen in zijn gevlogen. Dit roept natuulijk nogal wat vragen op en ook ik zit nog met zat vragen aangaande dit onderwerp.
Wat jij zegt over WTC 7 en de BBC past inderdaad precies in dat plaatje. Ik heb hier laatst mijn gedachten ook eens over laten gaan. Goed punt dus!![]()
Daarbij sluit het mysterie van flight 93 (Shanksville) en flight 77 (Pentagon) hier ook nog eens goed op aan.
Toch wil ik dit topic niet alleen over 9/11 laten gaan, want daar is natuurlijk al een apart topic voor.
Hele artikel: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090914110537.htmquote:Fake Video Dramatically Alters Eyewitness Accounts
ScienceDaily (Sep. 15, 2009) Researchers at the University of Warwick have found that fake video evidence can dramatically alter people's perceptions of events, even convincing them to testify as an eyewitness to an event that never happened.
Dr Wade said: Over the previous decade we have seen rapid advances in digital-manipulation technology. As a result, almost anyone can create convincing, yet fake, images or video footage. Our research shows that if fake footage is extremely compelling, it can induce people to testify about something they never witnessed.
Ik denk persoonlijk niet dat de Mossad er achter zit. Er zijn zoveel verschillende theorieën die de ronde doen en waarbij "belangijke" figuren spreken, zoals in jouw filmpje, dat ik denk dat er ook een heleboel bewust door de "perpetrators" de wereld in wordt geholpen om mensen in cirkeltjes te laten lopen. Verwarring en onenigheid tussen de diverse thruthbewegingen stichten...quote:
Daar zeg je wat, daar heb je eigenlijk wel gelijk in.quote:Op zondag 21 november 2010 17:48 schreef Janstarrie het volgende:
Wat mij wel vaak opvalt is dat bepaalde landen die economisch interessant zijn vanwege bijvoorbeeld grondstoffen, dat daar in de media wel bericht word over wantoestanden die het regime aldaar veroorzaakt, maar dat andere straatarme landen met weantoestanden vrijwel niet aan bod komen in de media..
Het boek "Het zijn net mensen" van Joris Luyendijk schijnt ook wel aardig te zijn:quote:Op zondag 21 november 2010 14:17 schreef Odysseuzzz het volgende:
http://pauwenwitteman.var(...)ec1df2915c3a4f870192
Joris Luyendijk over relatie media en politiek in P&W
quote:Vijf jaar lang was Joris Luyendijk correspondent voor het Midden-Oosten. Hij sprak met stenengooiers en terroristen, met taxichauffeurs en professoren, met slachtoffers, daders en hun familie. Hij ondervond aan den lijve dictatuur, bezetting, terreur en oorlog. Hoe meer hij meemaakte, hoe verbaasder hij raakte. Wat gaapte er een kloof tussen wat hij als correspondent ter plekke waarnam, en wat hij daarvan terugzag in de media. In Het zijn net mensen laat Luyendijk met pakkende voorbeelden en vol humor zien hoe de media ons een gefilterd, vervormd en gemanipuleerd beeld van het Midden-Oosten geven.
quote:Fake News
March 2005 has seen some revelations in the mainstream about fake news whereby organizations and journalists working for public relations firms or a government department have produced news reports. The problem arises where these reports are either presented as factual news by journalists, or have been rebroadcast by news stations without revealing that the segment is from an organization or the government, thus giving it the appearance of genuine news.
David Miller, of Spin Watch, in the UK has noted in a commentary that there is a lot of fake news, and it has been going on for a long time:
This is the age of the fake. We live in an era where the gap between how the world is and how powerful interests try to portray it has grown dramatically wider. Virtually nothing in public debate these days is free of the virus of fakery....
Today distortions [such as the famous Stalinist airbrushing of Trotsky from photographs of the Russian revolutionary period] are much more easily contrived. The advent of the digital camera has made it easier, cheaper and quicker to take and distribute photographs — and to manipulate them. In the last couple of years there have been several examples of photos produced to artificially inflate the size of crowds listening to a speech by George Bush for example. An LA Times journalist was sacked in 2003 for manipulating a photograph of a British soldier in Basra.
The problem with fakes is that the images do not need to be false to mislead. The photos showed by Colin Powell in his presentation to the UN on Iraq were genuine. They just did not show the things that he said they did....
But it is not only photographs which are susceptible to fake treatment. While governments have a long and invidious record, the cutting edge of innovation is in the corporate sector, particularly in the PR industry. Monsanto and other GM interests have been to the forefront of creating fake demonstrations, fake scientific institutes, fake pressure groups with all the paraphernalia of fake leaflets, tee shirts, websites and the rest.…
In recent years the fakes have become more sophisticated, so that the distinction between fake and real is less easy to discern.
— David Miller, The age of the fake, Spin Watch, March 14, 2005
Naja.. het is te veel om hier allemaal te posten, maar zie http://www.globalissues.o(...)anipulation#FakeNews voor meer info.quote:Fake News in the United States
In March 2005, the New York Times revealed that there has been a large amount of fake and prepackaged news created by US government departments, such as the Pentagon, the State Department and others, and disseminated through the mainstream media. The New York Times noted a number of important issues including:
* The US Bush administration has “aggressively” used public relations to prepackage news. Issues with this have included that:
o A number of these government-made news segments are made to look like local news (either by the government department or by the receiving broadcaster);
o Sometimes these reports have fake reporters such as when a “‘reporter’ covering airport safety was actually a public relations professional working under a false name for the Transportation Security Administration”;
o Other times, there is no mention that a video segment is produced by the government;
o Where there is some attribution, news stations simply rebroadcast them but sometimes without attributing the source.
* These segments have reached millions;
* This benefits both the government and the broadcaster;
* This could amount to propaganda within the United States as well as internationally.
Effectively, American tax payers have paid to be subjected to propaganda disseminated through these massaged messaged.
Citing the New York Times at length:
Under the Bush administration, the federal government has aggressively used a well-established tool of public relations: the prepackaged, ready-to-serve news report that major corporations have long distributed to TV stations to pitch everything from headache remedies to auto insurance. In all, at least 20 federal agencies, including the Defense Department and the Census Bureau, have made and distributed hundreds of television news segments in the past four years, records and interviews show. Many were subsequently broadcast on local stations across the country without any acknowledgement of the government’s role in their production.
... the administration’s efforts to generate positive news coverage have been considerably more pervasive than previously known. At the same time, records and interviews suggest widespread complicity or negligence by television stations...
Some reports were produced to support the administration’s most cherished policy objectives, like regime change in Iraq or Medicare reform. Others focused on less prominent matters... They often feature “interviews” with senior administration officials in which questions are scripted and answers rehearsed. Critics, though, are excluded, as are any hints of mismanagement, waste or controversy.
Some of the segments were broadcast in some of nation’s largest television markets... prepackaged segments [include] “suggested” lead-ins written by public relations experts. It is a world where government-produced reports disappear into a maze of [news programming, feeds, web sites, etc.] only to emerge cleansed on the other side as “independent” journalism.
— David Barstow and Robin Stein, Under Bush, a New Age of Prepackaged TV News, New York Times, March 13, 2005
Waarschijnlijk loopt het geen storm omdat het normaal wordt gevonden. Ik denk dat iedereen die er wel eens over na heeft gedacht wel weet dat het zo wordt gebruikt.quote:Op woensdag 24 november 2010 13:01 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
Het loopt hier niet echt storm in dit topic. Jammer! Had wel een redelijke discussie + input van anderen verwacht aangezien het toch wel een onderwerp is dat meer toegankelijk is dan meeste BNW onderwerpen.
Zag je ook in die cartoon die ze bij de NOS als achtergrond gebruikte bij het verslag van de aanslag op die prins in ww2. Plots was daar te lezen dat de aanslagpleger (in de illustratie) "fascist" uitriep tijdens de aanslag. Alsof alleen gekken dat woord gebruiken enz.quote:Op woensdag 24 november 2010 20:43 schreef FUUUU het volgende:
Nog een leuk en klein voorbeeld. Gister op het nieuws (NOS) dat er een aantal terreur verdachten waren opgepakt in Amsterdam en België. Dit op advies van Belgische inlichtingen dienst. Er is nog geen sprake van veroordeling of enige duidelijkheid in de zaak of dit uberhaupt een serieuze bedreiging was.
Desondanks werd op een kaart om aan te geven waar de verdachten waren opgepakt silhouetten getoond van mannen met een AK-47 alsof het om zwaar bewapende militanten ging.
Lekkere stemmingmakerij weer.
Ik zou het toch wel verontrustend vinden als mensen dit soort zaken als normaal zien. Het is in mijn ogen gewoon crimineel.quote:Op woensdag 24 november 2010 16:42 schreef Odysseuzzz het volgende:
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Waarschijnlijk loopt het geen storm omdat het normaal wordt gevonden. Ik denk dat iedereen die er wel eens over na heeft gedacht wel weet dat het zo wordt gebruikt.
Het blijft echter interessante materie. Dus ik hoop ook dat er wat meer vaart in komt.
Marshall McLuhan: "we are re-tribalizing"
Ik ben trouwens op zoek naar een arty farty video die op indringende wijze laat zien dat alle tv nieuws intro leaders er ongeveer het zelfde uit zien. Was vergeten hoe het clipje heet. :/
Ik snap dat wel. De meeste mensen staan niet stil bij alle informatie die ze dagelijks binnen krijgen, ze zijn dan ook niet in staat om een verschil te maken tussen iets dat aannemelijk is en feiten. Nu krijgen mensen die wel kritischer met deze informatie omgaag wel het idee dat dit normaal gedrag is, wat is immers normaal? In de meeste gevallen zal dat zijn wat de meerderheid doet.quote:Op woensdag 24 november 2010 22:18 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Ik zou het toch wel verontrustend vinden als mensen dit soort zaken als normaal zien. Het is in mijn ogen gewoon crimineel.
Gevonden! Maar de kwaliteit is echt bagger. Dat maakt het meteen ook een stuk minder overtuigend.quote:
Nu ik het zo terug zie is het eigenlijk best een geknutseld ding. Maar ik vond het idee wel aardig.quote:Heads and Globes Similarity Matrix
eddie d 2008.
It doesnt matter if youre watching your daily news broadcast on BBC, the Dutch NOS, on French or Turkish TV channels: all over the world the news is blue, intros always feature a terrestrial globe, all anchormen and -women are positioned in exactly the same spot (...)
Die overeenkomsten zijn gewoonweg zo omdat het 't beste werkt bij het overbrengen van nieuwsquote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 10:13 schreef Odysseuzzz het volgende:
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Gevonden! Maar de kwaliteit is echt bagger. Dat maakt het meteen ook een stuk minder overtuigend.
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Nu ik het zo terug zie is het eigenlijk best een geknutseld ding. Maar ik vond het idee wel aardig.
Ja, ik heb er ook geen direct oordeel over. Het is gewoon interessant.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 10:16 schreef Citizen.Erased het volgende:
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Die overeenkomsten zijn gewoonweg zo omdat het 't beste werkt bij het overbrengen van nieuws
Oh nee? Dit is gewoon uitgezonden hoor:quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 11:06 schreef ToT het volgende:
Die fake newscast in de OP is volgens mij puur oefenen voor wat te doen in welke situatie als ze eenmaal daar echt aankomen.
No friggin' way in hell dat dit ooit echt zo in het nieuws zou komen.
http://newsbusters.org/bl(...)s-accuse-him-fake-nequote:Former CNN Reporter Threatens Suit After Bloggers Accuse Him of 'Fake' News
By Lachlan Markay | December 15, 2009 | 15:03
A former war correspondent for CNN is threatening legal action against bloggers who suggest that video of him reporting the first Gulf War from a television studio is "fake news." The video shows Charles Jaco and another correspondent dramatically recounting events from the Persian Gulf, and later shows Jaco and the camera crew joking around in what appears to be a television studio (video embedded below the fold).
"My attorneys intend to act immediately against those of you receiving this who have sent and forwarded these emails accusing me of falsifying coverage," Jaco wrote in a memo to a local blogger who circulated the video via email. He also announced his intention to demand that LiveLink and YouTube remove the video from their respective sites.
Writes Mike Anderson of STLMedia.net,
That video is such garbage. It’s like a kids’ show, made-up BS. Monty Python-esque. Yes, it was staged, of course it was. And that’s a confirmation from a been-there-done-that American war veteran who, on that very day, had family members at peril for their lives from rocket attacks on their homes in Israel, who were actuallywearing gas masks and sealing off portions of their homes to create safe environments.
This report from Jaco is a fraud. And, Mr. Jaco, if you disagree, please have your attorney contact me.
Jaco claims in his memo that all of his reporting was done from the roof of a hotel in Saudi Arabia, and that the studio backdrop was erected to protect against wind and sand storms. (Ja natuurlijk, vandaar ook dat de audiotrack op de achtergrond fake is) The post-broadcast joking, he claimed, was merely a technique for dealing with the stresses of the possibility of a SCUD missile attack.
Of course NewsBusters would never suggest that the video shows blatantly fake news coverage (readers can decide for themselves). Jaco is clearly stressed, as shown by his mad dash to get his gas mask on. But his knee-jerk reaction to bloggers who poke fun at this clip demonstrates an odd sensitivity to these claims.
At the very least, the video is quite entertaining.
Hmmmmz....da's wel behoorlijk kwalijk dan, dit!quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 11:22 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Oh nee? Dit is gewoon uitgezonden hoor:
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http://newsbusters.org/bl(...)s-accuse-him-fake-ne
Kun je nagaan wat men momenteel allemaal niet zou kunnen faken. Geloof mij maar... het gebeurt!
@Odyseuzzz: Ik zal vanavond ff kijken
Wat denk je dat er tegenwoordig allemaal mogelijk is met Chroma keying en andere technieken om illusies te creëren? De mogelijkheden zijn eindeloos en ik denk dat dit dan ook volop ingezet kan worden bij bepaalde (militaire) strategieën. De kijker gelooft toch wel wat ie ziet, dus je kunt hem in feite alles wijsmaken.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 12:58 schreef ToT het volgende:
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Hmmmmz....da's wel behoorlijk kwalijk dan, dit!
Ik vind het nogal wat dit.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 13:14 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Wat denk je dat er tegenwoordig allemaal mogelijk is met Chroma keying en andere technieken om illusies te creëren? De mogelijkheden zijn eindeloos en ik denk dat dit dan ook volop ingezet kan worden bij bepaalde (militaire) strategieën. De kijker gelooft toch wel wat ie ziet, dus je kunt hem in feite alles wijsmaken.
Hieronder trouwens nog een bekend voorbeeld van manipulatie:
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We hebben een tweeling in de massa!! Woeiiii!En dit zijn dan de lullige foutjes die worden ontdekt. Kun je nagaan wat er allemaal door glipt dat niet wordt opgemerkt.
Ja!quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 13:53 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
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Ik vind het nogal wat dit.
Worden we zo bedonderd?
Exact deze mislukte Photoshop is denk ik eerder een knipoog van de maker. Heel anders dan die eerste die je hier poste.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 14:04 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Ja!
Één kanttekening, dit is natuurlijk Berlusconi hé... vergeet dat niet. In Italië is de media zo'n beetje volledig in handen van deze man.
Zou het? Ik denk eerder dat het is om te doen voorkomen alsof men massaal achter "de grote leider" staat.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 14:21 schreef Odysseuzzz het volgende:
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Exact deze mislukte Photoshop is denk ik eerder een knipoog van de maker. Heel anders dan die eerste die je hier poste.
quote:It comes from an italian publication callled "Noi amiamo silvio" (We love Silvio). It is a collection of photos of "the most important successes in our Premier Berlusconi's political career". All the rest of the book is also horribly 'shopped. It's on sale in italian magazine shops
Beide gebeurt... maar een ieder uit het vak, of die er oog voor heeft, ziet duidelijk die knipoog.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 14:30 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Zou het? Ik denk eerder dat het is om te doen voorkomen alsof men massaal achter "de grote leider" staat.
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Nu ligt het er bij dit specifieke geval natuurlijk dik bovenop, maar het schijnt zo te zijn dat als iemand moreel gezien "tegen zijn zin" in een dergelijke opdracht krijgt, hij er vaak onbewust clues in achterlaat waaruit je kunt opmaken dat het een soep betreft.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 14:41 schreef Odysseuzzz het volgende:
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Beide gebeurt... maar een ieder uit het vak, of die er oog voor heeft, ziet duidelijk die knipoog.
Tuurlijk, maar de huidige stand van de technologie maakt het praktisch onmogelijk om nep van echt te kunnen onderscheiden en dus wordt ik steeds argwanender richting de media. Het gevaar is dat we met zijn allen ontzettend worden misleid omtrent wereldwijde gebeurtenissen, zonder dat we het weten, maar dat die gebeurtenissen tegelijkertijd wel een grote impact op ons leven hebben of gaan hebben.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 15:00 schreef Odysseuzzz het volgende:
Zou kunnen J0k...Maar dat sommige mensen het analyseren maakt helemaal niet zo veel uit. Het beeld spreek. En de mensen die het kritisch ontleden weten waarschijnlijk allang van de verstrengelingen.
Er wordt amper verslag gedaan van werkelijke wetten die wel/niet worden aangenomen. Alleen als het echt sexy is (gemaakt) En dan nog wordt de inhoud eigenlijk niet behandeld.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 15:10 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Tuurlijk, maar de huidige stand van de technologie maakt het praktisch onmogelijk om nep van echt te kunnen onderscheiden en dus wordt ik steeds argwanender richting de media. Het gevaar is dat we met zijn allen ontzettend worden misleid omtrent wereldwijde gebeurtenissen, zonder dat we het weten, maar dat die gebeurtenissen tegelijkertijd wel een grote impact op ons leven hebben of gaan hebben.
Dat ben ik met je eens. Vaak worden belangrijke wetten gewoon aangenomen zonder dat hier aandacht aan wordt geschonken in de media. Of men trekt een "smokescreen" op zodat de aandacht wordt weggeleid van het onderwerp.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 15:31 schreef Odysseuzzz het volgende:
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Er wordt amper verslag gedaan van werkelijke wetten die wel/niet worden aangenomen. Alleen als het echt sexy is (gemaakt) En dan nog wordt de inhoud eigenlijk niet behandeld.
Dat zijn toch echt de dingen die de grootste impact hebben.
Het zelfde met handelsverdragen enz.
Maar je ziet juist vaak het geneuzel rond uitzonderlijke gebeurtenissen en fysiek geweld in het nieuws verschijnen. Terwijl het echte geweld dat de democratie enz wordt aangedaan vrijwel totaal buiten beschouwing wordt gelaten.
En echt en nep maakt idd niet zoveel uit. Its overated: gaat meer over hoe en wat.
quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 16:40 schreef Lavenderr het volgende:
Toch ga ik nav oa dit topic anders kijken naar dit soort 'propaganda'- foto's.
Die foto met die leiders op steeds verschillende plekken vond ik ook schokkend.
En ja, dat kan dus allemaal met de technieken waarvan de propagandamachine gebruikmaakt.
Nep en echt is moeilijk...ik bedoel te zeggen dat het daar niet zozeer over gaat.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 16:37 schreef J0kkebr0k het volgende:
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Dat ben ik met je eens. Vaak worden belangrijke wetten gewoon aangenomen zonder dat hier aandacht aan wordt geschonken in de media. Of men trekt een "smokescreen" op zodat de aandacht wordt weggeleid van het onderwerp.
Echt of nep maakt in mijn optiek wel degelijk uit. Wat nu als men je een gebeurtenis voorschotelt, zoals bijvoorbeeld een aanslag, die helemaal niet heeft plaatsgevonden? Dit om bijvoorbeeld te zorgen dat het publiek een bepaalde mening over een bepaalde groep gaat krijgen... om maar iets te noemen.
Weet niet of je dit hier ook onder kunt plaatsen:quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 15:31 schreef Odysseuzzz het volgende:
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Er wordt amper verslag gedaan van werkelijke wetten die wel/niet worden aangenomen. Alleen als het echt sexy is (gemaakt) En dan nog wordt de inhoud eigenlijk niet behandeld.
Dat zijn toch echt de dingen die de grootste impact hebben.
Het zelfde met handelsverdragen enz.
Maar je ziet juist vaak het geneuzel rond uitzonderlijke gebeurtenissen en fysiek geweld in het nieuws verschijnen. Terwijl het echte geweld dat de democratie enz wordt aangedaan vrijwel totaal buiten beschouwing wordt gelaten.
En echt en nep maakt idd niet zoveel uit. Its overated: gaat meer over hoe en wat.
Niet al te lang geleden was dit in het nieuws. En door mijn achtergrond weet ik dat de wet deze mogelijkheid allang biedt. Waarom bepaalde wetten voorstellen? Of klinkt alcohol naar 18+ wel leuk in de oren in verkiezingstijd?quote:Gemeente bepaalt leeftijdsgrens alcohol
Gemeenten moeten zelf kunnen bepalen of ze de leeftijdsgrens voor de verkoop van dranken met weinig alcohol, zoals bier, verhogen van 16 naar 18 jaar. De ministerraad buigt zich vandaag over dit voorstel van minister Ter Horst van Binnenlandse Zaken.
Percies dat soort dingen... en ondertussen ongevraagd een hantekening zetten om de soevereiniteit van ons land op te geven.quote:Op donderdag 25 november 2010 17:29 schreef fs180 het volgende:
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Weet niet of je dit hier ook onder kunt plaatsen:
Het voorstellen/eisen van maatregelen/wetten die reeds bestaan. Vooral icm incidentenpolitiek gebruikt..
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Niet al te lang geleden was dit in het nieuws. En door mijn achtergrond weet ik dat de wet deze mogelijkheid allang biedt. Waarom bepaalde wetten voorstellen? Of klinkt alcohol naar 18+ wel leuk in de oren in verkiezingstijd?
http://www.nrc.nl/economi(...)lantaardig_materiaalquote:Ministers willen beperking octrooirecht plantaardig materiaal
http://www.iwar.org.uk/infocon/psyop-dietz.htmquote:Infocon Magazine Issue One, October 2003
Psychological Operations Interview with Larry Dietz, London, 29th April 2003
Interviewer: Wanja Eric Naef
Lawrence Dietz has 30 years of diversified military and commercial information operations experience. He is currently Director, North American Enterprise Marketing for Symantec Corporation, a publicly held information security software and services provider.
A licensed attorney in California and a member of the Santa Clara County Bar Association and the State Bar of California and a recognized authority in the field of Internet and e-business law. He retired as a Colonel from the U.S. Army Reserve, serving as Deputy Commander NATO's Information Campaign in Bosnia. Previous military assignments include Commander, 12th PSYOP Battalion, Strategic Intelligence Officer, Company commander and Radio Research Platoon Leader. He is currently the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence and Security of the 351st Civil Affairs Command. He holds BS, MBA, JD. and LLM in European Law from Leicester University, United Kingdom. COL (R) Dietz was elected Honorary Colonel of the PSYOP Regiment of the U.S. Army in April 2003.
Q: 1. What is the aim of Psychological Operations and how can it be achieved?
Lawrence Dietz: Psychological Operations in the military context is another weapons system to accomplish the mission set by the commander. Psychological Operations officers work closely with the current and future ops people to determine how that weapons system can be implemented along with all the others. A key facet of this role is being apart of target selection and deconfliction as well as with the overall operations.
Q: 2. Where do Influence Operations fit into the larger picture of Information Operations?
Dietz: Influence Ops have been more generally recognised as a warfighting discipline over the past several years. And they are always found in the ‘three or operations shop’. The Influence Ops can sometimes include deception operations, which can be physical types of deception, as we saw in Kosovo as a complement to the PsyOp.
The PsyOp is geared towards influencing the behaviour of the target.The target can be military or civilian depending on the situation.
Q: 3. What is the importance of Influence Ops compared to other IO elements?
Dietz: I cannot really fully address this question because I have not personally observed all of the IO elements used in concert especially Computer Network Operations. My personal observations have been limited to PsyOp. I have observed interaction among PSYOP, public affairs, civil affairs and in some cases engineering operations in support of civil affairs. You sometimes see all that treated together particularly when you are in a combined headquarters where the different troop contributors have a role in determining what the goals of the campaign are where the commander’s guidance is generic enough so that everyone can put their 2 cents in. Things that touch the population and information presented to the population I have seen orchestrated together, but I have never seen the whole range to include the Computer Network aspects.
Q: 4. Do you think US law hinders PsyOp? This applies especially to PsyOp which is targeted at foreign audiences but which can also be seen by US citizens and hence it can be considered to be illegal?
Dietz: On the strategic level there has been an awful lot of confusion. Some of this dates back to pre-World War II. If you follow the history of PsyOp in World War II the entertainment industry was really mobilised for the war effort and a vital part of government sponsored operations. At that point the work product was designed for US and foreign citizens. In today’s world the State Department is prohibited from ‘influencing’ American citizens and a primary goal is to promote the American message to non-US audiences. In fact as I understand it there is some law, but I do not know what it is, that basically says the State Department will not ‘psyop’ American citizens. This becomes somewhat problematic when you have Internet access, because when I am sitting in America I can log on any url in the world and unless there is some sort of technological way to filter out US domains from accessing the US State Department which I do not believe there is, it gets to be a real problem. Therefore, the State Department, in my opinion, has chosen to deal with this is that they do not devote resources by policy to ‘psyoping the American citizens. On the military side I think the military is much less encumbered because when military PsyOp is deployed it is outside the United States, US laws may not apply to them in foreign countries.
Q: 5. According to a NATO PsyOps officer, it is relatively difficult to convince Commanders to put PsyOp teams ‘on the ground’ before the outbreak of hostilities whilst they have no objections to inserting Special Ops teams into a pre-hostilities environment? How can senior military Commanders be persuaded to use PsyOp in a pre-hostility environment?
Dietz: Special Ops are trained to function behind enemy lines and in most cases are trained not to be noticed. How would put a military PsyOp team in an environment where they are clearly going to be noticed because they are operating in the open and not trying to shield their operations in any way. It would seem difficult to insert a PSYOP team prior to hostilities. The commander understands the weapon systems. If you are going after a target and you think there will be hostilities, you then you have 2 sets of targets, you have civilian targets and military targets. The military target is the province of military PsyOp. This does not mean that PSYOP cannot be conducted against a target from outside that country by alternative means. Broadcast media can often be transmitted into a target from outside its borders. We have already discussed the fact that the Internet renders many borders useless.
Q: 6. Should PsyOp be used in peacetime? If yes, who should conduct it?
Dietz: There is a difference between PsyOp and Public Information. PsyOp is designed to influence behaviour in concert with a military commander’s desire. Information Operations implies a broader context and can provide information to allow the population to make their own decision--hopefully the way the influencer intends. That is a different animal. My personal feeling is when the target is military; then the military is the right vehicle. If the target is the civilian population, there needs to be a different way to do it: in the US case that would be through the State Department as it has the mission of public information. If a military force is deployed for peacekeeping or peace making operations it will very likely be incumbent upon them to engage in effect PSYOP to help influence the population in their favour for a number of reasons not the least of which would be their own security. Today’s situation in Iraq is a case in point where military resources are employed to communicate with the local population for a variety of reasons.
Q: 7. What is the importance of strategic PsyOp?
Dietz: Strategic PsyOp is important to establish a baseline and to realise that credibility is built over time. In the world of public information truth must be the message, because in today’s world there are no secrets. Sooner or later the truth will be revealed. So there needs to be continuing attention to the strategic message.
Q: 8. Where do you think the borderline should be drawn between public diplomacy, public affairs, and Influence Operations, etc.?
Dietz: Again it depends on the target. Public diplomacy and public information is the realm of the civilian population and civilian influence. PsyOp to me is military commander’s and the civilian command chain of an adversary. So for example I do not think that PsyOp would be applied against the commercial enterprises in a target country. But clearly PsyOp could be applied towards the minister of information in the target country as well as leading military commanders and figures. I think it is matter of targeting definition.
Q: 9. Most of the US PsyOp capabilities are drawn from reservists. Do you think the US should have more regular PsyOp forces and could the army do that?
Dietz: Right now the US PsyOp force consists of three groups and only one of those groups is active. As a practical matter there needs to be more active duty PsyOp forces for three several reasons: 1. the operational tempo has become so severe that you cannot rely on a continuing stream of part time soldiers. If an individual wanted to be a full time soldier they would have stayed in active duty and there are a lot of economic and sociological ramifications of being a reservist PsyOp officer as I can personally attest. Continuous exploitation of Reserve forces will bring significant familiar pressure to reduce commitments and will ultimately severely limit the recruiting base. Potential re-employment difficulties upon release from active duty may also serve to hamper recruiting. Another reason in favour of a larger PsyOp force in the active force is so that active duty PsyOp officers can rotate amongst the assignments with the big army remove some of the lack of knowledge surrounding PsyOp in the overall force. This assignment rotation would facilitate a network of professional soldiers who have now worked with each other and understands each other’s discipline.
The second part of your question was could the army do that? I guess they could as there is no physical limitation: certainly there is the capability to train more and there is capability to house more soldiers within the active duty 4th PSYOP Group.. I would not see that an issue at all.
Q: 10. Intelligence support is very important for Influence Operations? How do you think the US Intel community should change to provide better Intel support, especially cultural intelligence?
Dietz: There is not enough attention to the civilian composition of the countries of the world, particularly the media. There are no existing databases to my knowledge that tell you who owns what TV station, who owns what radio station, do these stations take commercial advertising and if so who are the biggest advertisers, what are the rates, who are the leading personalities and what are their backgrounds. This information is very difficult to get. You cannot necessarily go out on the Internet and find out how many TV stations there are in Azerbaijan. The issue of language proficiency is also important and it is difficult to collect intelligence when the collectors cannot employ the native language of the target. Having said that it strikes me as logical that the commercial attachés of particular embassies and consulates should be chartered with the collection of TV guides, radio scheduling, newspaper publishing data and whatever information is available to the public from open sources dealing with the nature of the communications media. I think right now this is really a black hole. And even in the commercial sector you do not see much of that information available, because it is kind of a ‘follow the money thing’, i.e. that countries of the world that have very poor economies are typically the ones that have the most troubles and because they have poor economies they are not good venues for investments. If they are not good venues for investments there is not a lot of research in the media even though some of these countries would be the mostly locations for military intervention of one kind or another.
Q: 11. During the Kosovo war Serbs managed to maintain Information Superiority over its citizens. What lessons can be learned from their undertaking?
Dietz: That goes back to my point: the military is good for military targets and the civilians for civilian targets. The Serbs are very good at controlling the media. The Serbs believe much along Communist lines that the purpose of SRT, Serb Radio Television, is to serve the needs of the State. They are not an objective news providing force nor do they claim to be. They are an arm of the state. Information superiority was gained and maintained because they had much more control over the audience. The lesson learned is you have to quickly disrupt that ownership, deny them access to the audience and provide your own information if you can.
Q: 12. What lesson have you learned when you were deputy Commander of the Combined Joint Information Campaign Task Force in Bosnia?
Dietz: First of all, military people are very similar in terms of characteristics and personality, but they are very different in the way they do business, and what is important to them. Particularly as we Americans have a well-deserved reputation for inflexibility and for being the ‘biggest cowboys in town’. Unfortunately a big part of your initial tasks in a collation is to first establish your personal credibility and ability to relate to your fellow officers from the other nations. The second thing you have to do is establish, even though PsyOp and Information Operations do not involve blowing up things or killing the enemy, they can account for very significant advances in the commander’s goals. In many cases PSYOP personnel must work with their military colleagues to help the military understand how civilians work and think. You are often presented with flag officers who think they absolutely positively know everything because they are flag officers. They may be exceptionally astute in matters of military strategic or tactics, but have not functioned as a civilian since their college days and may have lost touch with what is involved in influencing a population.
Frankly, one of the most important lessons I learned military people have no sense of money. They think Information Operations just happens. Information Operations does not just happen. There is a time factor needed to develop appropriate materials and you there is a need for a budget to buy the access to the media just like every other advertiser. That is sometimes a very difficult thing to teach.
Q: 13. In one of your papers you looked at certain target groups? Which group of people is most likely to susceptible to PsyOps?
Dietz: In that paper you referred to I took a look at the target groups in terms of red, yellow and green. The red group was that group of individuals who, no matter what the heck you would do, you are just not going to change their mind. The green group generally hates the red group and whatever you are going to do they will still hate the red group and they are more likely to believe your friendly message. So you need to provide some level of emphasis on the green group to make sure they maintain their view. The group with the biggest potential is the orange, amber, or yellow group that falls somewhere in the middle. These are the ones that must be influenced
Q: 14. What do you think is the potential of ESpace as PsyOps battleground?
Dietz: First, not everybody has access to the Internet. A fair amount of target analysis is required to determine the importance of the Internet as a influencing media. The second thing is just because the commander has an email, does not mean he is reading it. Perhaps some poor sergeant is reading and answering the Commander’s mail, we know that for sure. So messages via email may or may not go astray. Mobile phones are an interesting phenomena because mobile phones are often a part of the battlefield scenario. Particularly, when you are past the conflict and you are in the peacekeeping mode, it is far easier for many governments to set up a wireless network than to run wires over great distances, particularly with weather problems. The mobile phone becomes a very effective potential media. The mere fact that you know the mobile number of the target and perhaps his physical location as well will be in and of itself an unnerving PSYACT. Future adoption of short message system (SMS) and other similar means of communication may also prove to be effective techniques for selected, high profile targets.
But as far as the Internet goes, we have not seen the Internet become a main access of attack simply because most of the areas where PSYOP are executed do not offer a robust information technology infrastructure. In the target area the ESpace thing may be overrated. When there are targets that are in developed economies with adequate Internet coverage then PSYOP conducted over the Internet may prove effective. Of course there are PSYACTs that can be conducted against internet targets such as websites of governments, groups or individuals. Also from a CNO or CNE operation there doesn’t seem to be a well developed publicly available doctrine. Right now it would appear that the ESpace is far more an enabler of communications and an intelligence gather mechanism for many organizations, state sponsored and otherwise.
Q: 15. What is you opinion of the potential of Information Operations as a whole?
Dietz: IO is so complex a phenomena that today’s commander has difficulty understanding it. Unfortunately IO appears to be populated by a world of specialists today. Until it becomes a general part of the battle system, its effects are going to be limited. You can have different commanders in the same physical locations with the same units who know how to use IO and employ those fundamentals and then you have commanders who do not employ IO at all. Results obtained are perhaps not recorded nor are the lessons learned, nor is there sufficient easily understood doctrine that can aid the Warfighter in exploiting IO for their advantage.
Q: 16. Do you think in the future more and more Precision guided PsyOp will be possible?
Dietz: Yes, I would say so. Particularly, if you can identify the target, and use a variety of means to identify alternative information sources to that target, especially if the target is electronically rich. For example, the typical American with what the research companies call the personal area network, you have a PDA, a mobile phone, a laptop and all kinds of electronic means, maybe more than one email address. The more of those means I can isolate, the better I can target that individual, presumably it is a high payoff target.
Q: 17. What is your opinion about the US PsyOp campaign during Operation Iraqi Freedom?
Dietz: I wish could tell you I know. Unfortunately, my information has come from the American media and The Economist. Based on public sources either the information campaign was a fabulous success or the assessments in terms of urban warfare capabilities were totally screwed up. It is one or the other. So based on the length of time of the actual conflict I must say that something went right whether it was the enemy who was not as strong as people thought or our intelligence was better I do not know. It would appear to me that the broadcast media in the major cities such as Baghdad play an important role in people’s daily lives and that the coalition would have to extend its IO to exploit this capability.
Q: 18. Where do you see the future of PsyOp?
Dietz: The future is such that when people realise that tomorrow’s actions will be characterised by a mobile fighting force. The range and high degree of freedom that this force will have to employ implies that will use PsyOp and Public Affairs to further the commander’s objectives. Key areas for attention will no doubt include civilian interference with the military objectives and the need to keep these down to a minimum. The complementary mission for PSYOP would be to exact as much emotional damage as possible from the adversary force before, during and after the conflict. We will see more and better PsyOp over time particularly as commanders see results. The latest events in Iraq are a pretty good indicator that this stuff can really work and they can really save time and more importantly lives of your friendly forces.
The Interview was conducted as part of an IWS research project on IO Computer Network Attacks.
Ik vind het wel een interessant punt...hoe tv en andere media narsisme cultiveren. Het lijkt haast normaal. Of dat nu als het ware een eigenschap is van het medium zelf of een bewust vooropgezet iets is ook een vraag. Misschien beide? Geen idee.quote:Part 4 focuses on the rise of narcissism, increasing pathology and oppression, and how the financial empire eventually replaces government
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