Buitenlandse pers over het Nederlandse elftal #2

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Op woensdag 30 juni 2010 00:19 schreef tong80 het volgende:
Zie je niet vaak ...Oranje als underdog.

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Op donderdag 1 juli 2010 18:24 schreef jpjedi het volgende:
Barbara barend zojuist op de radio vol frustratie over de arogantie van de Braziliaanse journalisten. In het algemeen gaat men uit van 4-0.. Alle vluchten vanuit Brazilie voor de finale zijn al volgeboekt!

Overschatting kan ons wel eens in de kaart spelen

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Op donderdag 1 juli 2010 18:30 schreef Jane het volgende:
Ik krijg hier en daar ook wel de indruk dat de Brazilianen ons onderschatten. Da's idd mooi.

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Op donderdag 1 juli 2010 18:34 schreef Breekfast het volgende:

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Nja begrijp het ook wel, Van Persie bijv. mag hier in NL dan wel beroemd zijn en al zogenaamd tot de wereldtop behoren,
In het buitenland zien ze dat toch anders en is het gewoon een aanvaller van Arsenal.

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Op donderdag 1 juli 2010 18:34 schreef Breekfast het volgende:

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Nja begrijp het ook wel, Van Persie bijv. mag hier in NL dan wel beroemd zijn en al zogenaamd tot de wereldtop behoren,
In het buitenland zien ze dat toch anders en is het gewoon een aanvaller van Arsenal.

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Op donderdag 1 juli 2010 18:49 schreef marcodej het volgende:

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Tsja, en Luis Fabiano is niet meer dan een aanvaller van Sevilla.

Als iemand niet ziet dat types als Sneijder, Persie of Robben tot de wereldtop behoren, dan snap je het als Braziliaan niet.

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Op donderdag 1 juli 2010 19:20 schreef Breekfast het volgende:

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Bijna niemand ziet Van Persie als wereldtop in het buitenland, het is de nederlandse pers die hem zo neer zet.
Enige spelers die echt bekend zijn in het buitenland en als wereldtop wroden beschouwd zijn Robben en Sneijder.
Zie ook Romario net in studio sport.

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For certain footballing nations, simply winning a game is not enough for their demanding supporters. Take Brazil and the Netherlands, for example, whose legendary sides at the 1970 and 1974 finals, respectively, played beautiful football that subsequent generations have struggled to match.

When two such nations meet, one might expect an open, expansive encounter, but that is not what many are predicting for 2 July's clash in Nelson Mandela Bay/Port Elizabeth at the quarter-final stage of the 2010 FIFA World Cup™. Quite the contrary in fact, for both Dunga and Bert van Marwijk's charges have been favouring a more cagey counter-attacking style so far, a tactic which suits their solid backlines and quick, skilful front-runners.

The numbers back up these choices of strategy, though, with the five-time world champions winning three and drawing one of their four games here at South Africa 2010 and the two-time finalists boasting a 100 per cent record. Even though Brazil have scored eight goals to Netherlands' seven, with both having conceded just twice, calls for their national teams to play more vibrant, attacking football have been frequent and vocal in the two countries' media.

"Of the European sides, the Netherlands are perhaps most similar to us South Americans in terms of technical ability," said Dunga on the speed and quality that the likes of Arjen Robben and Wesley Sneijder can bring to bear. "They traditionally produce teams that play nice football. They're not a team that just defends or one that plays a long-ball game. They've got very technical players and we need to be ready for that." The mutual love-in continued with Van Marwijk, who chose to highlight the current Brazil team's steely defence. "Brazil have six really impressive defensive players and attackers who are capable of making a difference at any moment. They"re a solid side,” said the former Feyenoord and Borussia Dortmund boss.

Who will blink first?
With both teams happy for their opponents to take the initiative, thus leaving spaces behind to exploit on the break, is there a danger Friday's proceedings will bear more resemblance to chess than the beautiful game? "We need to carefully study the Netherlands' previous matches, but I'm sure that they're a team that will try and play football," said Brazil No10 Kaka in the wake of a textbook counter-punching display by A Seleção in the 3-0 Round of 16 win over Chile.

"I'm not sure whether they'll really go for it against us, but they will try and play football," added the Real Madrid star, with Sevilla striker Luis Fabiano echoing his countryman's views: "From what I've seen, the Netherlands are quite attacking and have players who are good going forward. I think that they'll try and take the game to us, so we'll have to be careful because they're very dangerous. That said, any team that tries to attack Brazil are playing with fire.”

Van Marwijk has an idea of what to expect come Friday. "We've controlled the play in all our games so far; we've scored seven goals and only conceded two and we've hardly been in any danger. But I think that's going to change when we meet Brazil." Whatever happens, with the likes of Robben, Robinho, Sneijder, Kaka, Robin van Persie and Luis Fabiano involved, and given both teams' sparkling recent form, the Port Elizabeth Stadium is certain to play host to a fascinating encounter.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 18:06 schreef Hankster het volgende:
Oh man man, dit gaat smullen worden morgenochtend

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Instead, it was the Oranje and their fans doing the dancing.

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The Netherlands produced a stunning second-half comeback to reach the semi-finals as Brazil's World Cup imploded in a dramatic game in Port Elizabeth.

After taking an early lead through Robinho's cool finish, the pre-tournament favourites were pegged back following an awful defensive mix-up early in the second-half and were found wanting in defence again soon afterwards when Wesley Sneijder headed in.

Brazil found themselves in even deeper trouble when Felipe Melo saw red for stamping on Arjen Robben with 17 minutes to go and, although Dunga's side gave everything in a thrilling finale, they crashed out in the quarter-finals for the second successive tournament.

It is the Netherlands who will go forward to play Uruguay or Ghana in the semi-finals and they have blown this World Cup wide open after putting paid to the idea that South American sides were set to dominate in South Africa.

Of the four teams from that continent in the last eight, Brazil were seen as the most likely to progress - and, for the first 45 minutes at least, it appeared they would not have too many problems in doing so.

The Netherlands have won renown for their defensive discipline in the last few weeks but that was nowhere to be seen when Robinho opened the scoring after 10 minutes.

The Dutch back-line had been forced to re-organise before kick-off when Joris Mathijsen was injured in the warm-up, with Andre Ooijer coming in, and he and fellow centre-back John Heitinga left a huge hole for Robinho to run on to Felipe Melo's pass and slot home.

Bert van Marwijk's side, who came into the game on the back of a 23-game unbeaten run, attempted to respond and Dirk Kuyt brought a low save out of Julio Cesar at his near post.

But other than that chance - and a blasted Sneijder free-kick that Julio Cesar also dealt with comfortably - the Netherlands were unable to open up Brazil, who were superbly marshalled at the back by Juan.

Dunga's side were not exactly in full-flow going forward themselves but they would still have been out of sight at half-time had it not been for Dutch goalkeeper Maarten Stekelenburg.

Stekelenburg brilliantly tipped over Kaka's curling shot after a neat move down the left involving Robinho and Luis Fabiano and also got a hand to Maicon's fierce shot after Dani Alves sent him forward on the overlap down the opposite flank.

It seemed Brazil were still in full control but that all changed after the interval when they gifted the Dutch an equaliser that completely changed the course of the game.

Sneijder whipped in a cross from the right after a quick free-kick and Julio Cesar, in trying to punch clear, only succeeded in colliding with Felipe Melo and the ball flicked off his team-mate's head and flew into the net.

Brazil took time to regain their composure but they remained a threat and Kaka came within inches of restoring their lead when he clipped the ball wide after latching on to Ooijer's clumsy clearance.

The Dutch, however, sensed a weakness at the heart of the South Americans' defence and they took full advantage after 68 minutes when another cross caused chaos in the Brazil back-line.

Kuyt flicked on Robben's corner at the near post and Wesley Sneijder headed in, sending the army of Oranje fans at Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium wild with elation

From being well on top, Dunga's side were now chasing the game and their hopes of rescuing their World Cup were dealt a huge blow when Felipe Melo inexplicably stamped on Robben after conceding a free-kick five minutes later.

Despite being a man down, the five-time champions had no choice but to throw men forward, and left huge gaps at the back in the final few minutes.

The closest Brazil came to saving themselves were a succession of Maicon corners, from one of which Lucio had a goalbound shot deflected wide.

But the Netherlands had several chances to add a third goal in final few minutes too, with Sneijder having a shot saved and Klass Jan Huntelaar hesitating when he had the simple task of teeing up Dirk Kuyt from six yards out.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 18:56 schreef Croupouque het volgende:
Ik moet eerlijk bekennen dat één van de eerste dingen die ik na een overwinning van het Nederlands elftal steeds doe het volgende is: de website hln.be bezoeken, genieten van hoe die jaloerse Belgen in hun reacties op het nieuws hun kolossale minderwaardigheidscomplex etaleren en héél, héél hard lachen. Wat een jaloers en stuitend achterbaks volk is dat toch.

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JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - Favourites Brazil were sensationally dumped out of the World Cup by the Netherlands on Friday in the biggest shock of the tournament.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 18:56 schreef Croupouque het volgende:
Ik moet eerlijk bekennen dat één van de eerste dingen die ik na een overwinning van het Nederlands elftal steeds doe het volgende is: de website hln.be bezoeken, genieten van hoe die jaloerse Belgen in hun reacties op het nieuws hun kolossale minderwaardigheidscomplex etaleren en héél, héél hard lachen. Wat een jaloers en stuitend achterbaks volk is dat toch.

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Dutch benefit from set pieces and Brazil's astonishing capitulation

We knew the Dutch were no longer the Total Footballing purists of old, but who would have expected them to become a side reliant on set pieces? The Netherlands, did, in fairness, have other chances in the final minutes of Friday's quarterfinal, but the two goals with which it turned Friday's quarterfinal both came from set pieces, both won on the right flank.

It was always going to come down to who won the battle on that side of the field. Robinho was the dominant personality in the first half, Arjen Robben in the second, and the way the Dutch effected that transformation the key factor. Nigel De Jong's role was critical.

Robinho, operating in that awkward position to the left of Brazil's attack, was at the heart of almost everything Brazil did from an attacking point of view. Playing too deep for Gregory van der Wiel comfortably to pick him up from fullback and too far to the right for either De Jong or Mark van Bommel to cover from their central holding roles, his natural position located him precisely in an area of Dutch weakness and he took full advantage.

He gave warning after seven minutes, drifting infield, squeezing a ball through to Luis Fabiano and then running on to tap in the striker's intelligent and unselfish cross, only for Fabiano to be ruled marginally offside. Three minutes later, he struck, drifting infield as the center-back pairing of Johnny Heitinga and Andre Ooijer, who had only discovered he was playing 30 minutes before kickoff, demonstrated their unfamiliarity by opening up. Felipe Melo found him in an unfathomable amount of space, and Robinho showed his class with an instinctive first-time finish.

At that stage, the Dutch seemed washed up, struggling to prevent the supply to Robinho, and then struggling to stop him when the ball was worked to him. Juan drove over as a half-cleared corner was returned to the center, the Robinho battled through two challenges on the left before playing the ball in to Luis Fabiano who helped it on to Kaka. His curler was pawed away by Maarten Stekelenburg at full stretch.

Brazil-Netherlands play-by-play analysis

Then, on the stroke of halftime, Robinho wandered infield and, in a move that recalled Pele's famous pass to Carlos Alberto for Brazil's fourth against Italy in the 1970 final, laid the ball outside him for Maicon, overlapping from right back. His first-time shot was well-saved by Stekelenburg. It seemed then that Robinho was producing one of the indelible World Cup performances, a display that would put to shame his detractors at Real Madrid and Manchester City, and confirm once and for all the reality of his nebulous talent.

Robinho, evidently, was the man the Dutch had to stop, and they did so superbly. Van der Wiel, who had a miserable first half, pushed tighter on him, while De Jong was shifted across, not quite in a man-marking role, but with a clear brief to keep Robinho quiet. That left Van Bommel both having to counter Kaka (with some help from his center-backs) and providing cover to help Giovanni van Bronckhorst deal with Dani Alves. It was a gamble, but it worked, partly because Robinho had been so obviously the keystone of Brazil's attacking play, and partly because the Netherlands -- perhaps by neutering Robinho -- was able to have far more of the meaningful possession after half-time.

Suddenly Michel Bastos found himself having to defend against a marauding Robben, who Brazil had managed to crowd out in the first half whenever he had tried to cut inside on to his left foot. Robben's only real contribution in the first half had been to draw the foul that earned Bastos a yellow card, but the proved crucial. The fullback had been happy enough backing up Robinho, but put under pressure in the second half, and made tentative by the possibility of a second yellow card, he looked every inch the midfielder that he more usually is.

It was a foul by Bastos -- a lunge that could easily have earned that second caution, even if Robben managed to evade the challenge -- that led to the 53rd-minute free-kick from which the Netherlands equalized. It was worked to Wesley Sneijder, who had been very quiet, starved of the ball until then, and his cross was dangerous enough for Felipe Melo and Julio Cesar to get in each other's way, the midfielder glancing the ball into his own net.

As Kaka lobbed an awkwardly bouncing ball just wide, it seemed for a moment that a classic might be about to develop, but the momentum had shifted too radically. Another corner, again won down the right, Robben crossed, Dirk Kuyt flicked on and Sneijder buried the header. It was a move clearly practiced on the training ground, something as out of keeping with the stereotype of Dutch football as playing with two holding midfielders. The modern Dutch, though, the newly pragmatic Oranje, might be about to do what their fabled forebears could not, and win the World Cup.

The Netherlands was helped on its way by Melo who, correctly identifying the danger if not the best way of dealing with it, and presumably unsettled by his own goal, thrust his studs into Robben's thigh and was sent off -- as good an image of the way the winger had undone Brazil as there could be.

Brazil had a couple of half-chances, the odd cross flashed across goal, but with Robinho now subdued and Kaka having never really found his way into the competition after a poor season at Real Madrid, the creative poverty of Brazil's midfield was exposed. But for a couple of sloppy failures to capitalize on the break, the Dutch would have won more easily.

This was -- by some way -- its toughest test yet, and manager Bert van Marwijk must take credit for having had the tactical wit to turn the course of the game, and conjure two goals when only Robben of the his front four really fired -- and then only after half-time but the sense remains that the Dutch haven't quite hit top gear but are still in the semifinal.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 18:56 schreef Croupouque het volgende:
Ik moet eerlijk bekennen dat één van de eerste dingen die ik na een overwinning van het Nederlands elftal steeds doe het volgende is: de website hln.be bezoeken, genieten van hoe die jaloerse Belgen in hun reacties op het nieuws hun kolossale minderwaardigheidscomplex etaleren en héél, héél hard lachen. Wat een jaloers en stuitend achterbaks volk is dat toch.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 20:10 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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mijn god wat laten ze zich kennen
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/(...)LOERT-BRAZILIE.dhtml

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 18:56 schreef Croupouque het volgende:
Ik moet eerlijk bekennen dat één van de eerste dingen die ik na een overwinning van het Nederlands elftal steeds doe het volgende is: de website hln.be bezoeken, genieten van hoe die jaloerse Belgen in hun reacties op het nieuws hun kolossale minderwaardigheidscomplex etaleren en héél, héél hard lachen. Wat een jaloers en stuitend achterbaks volk is dat toch.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 @ 20:10 schreef yvonne het volgende:

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mijn god wat laten ze zich kennen
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/(...)LOERT-BRAZILIE.dhtml

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 20:16 schreef Supersoep het volgende:

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Je moet de laatste 10-15 paginas op 9lives.be eens lezen, ik heb nog nooit zo hard gelachen.

http://www.9lives.be/foru(...)10-deel-2-a-194.html

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 20:16 schreef Supersoep het volgende:

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Je moet de laatste 10-15 paginas op 9lives.be eens lezen, ik heb nog nooit zo hard gelachen.

http://www.9lives.be/foru(...)10-deel-2-a-194.html

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 20:16 schreef Supersoep het volgende:

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Je moet de laatste 10-15 paginas op 9lives.be eens lezen, ik heb nog nooit zo hard gelachen.

http://www.9lives.be/foru(...)10-deel-2-a-194.html

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 20:52 schreef Croupouque het volgende:
Het verbaast me ook niets, hoor.
Ik ben opgegroeid aan de Belgische grens, en het beeld dat Nederlanders van die "sympathieke Belgen" hebben klopt allerminst. Belgen verwijten Nederlanders vaak een zekere vorm van arrogantie, maar dat is een misverstand veroorzaakt door een groot cultuurverschil. Wij zijn direct in de manier waarop we onszelf uiten, Belgen bedekken hun woorden met een mantel van valse bescheidenheid, doen op het eerste gezicht vriendelijk tegen je maar steken vervolgens een giftige dolk in je rug wanneer je je omkeert. Ze hebben echter, en dat moet je ze nageven, wél een betere keuken.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 20:45 schreef bascross het volgende:
Waar is Bramkvo? Dat is ook zo'n Belg met minderwaardigheidscomplex.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 20:55 schreef DrDentz het volgende:

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Is Nederland het nieuwe Duitsland ?

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Yeah Holland played absolutely terrible but everytime Brazil tried to play they either got a foul against them because Robben slipped somewhere or got stopped by Van Bommel who should have gotten 6 yellow cards this game.
Melo's reaction was stupid but understandable when once again Robben fell for nothing while melo has gotten 25 unpunished fouls against him.
Seriously, Robben playing like this is a disgrace for football, so much potential but such a **##! on the pitch, everytime someone is within 20yards he just falls down and the ref is stupid enough to blow his whistle too.
Anways, If Holland plays like this with an unbiased referee they don't stand a chance against Uruguay, certainly not with their crippled defense.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 21:04 schreef Fir3fly het volgende:

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Ik snap dit echt niet. Hoe kan iemand zo blind zijn?

(reactie komt overigens van een willekeurig forum).

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 20:13 schreef Mike het volgende:
Het is gelukkig wel een minderheid, want ik zie ook veel sportieve Belgische reacties.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 18:56 schreef Croupouque het volgende:
Ik moet eerlijk bekennen dat één van de eerste dingen die ik na een overwinning van het Nederlands elftal steeds doe het volgende is: de website hln.be bezoeken, genieten van hoe die jaloerse Belgen in hun reacties op het nieuws hun kolossale minderwaardigheidscomplex etaleren en héél, héél hard lachen. Wat een jaloers en stuitend achterbaks volk is dat toch.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 21:04 schreef Fir3fly het volgende:

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Ik snap dit echt niet. Hoe kan iemand zo blind zijn?

(reactie komt overigens van een willekeurig forum).

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 20:16 schreef Supersoep het volgende:

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Je moet de laatste 10-15 paginas op 9lives.be eens lezen, ik heb nog nooit zo hard gelachen.

http://www.9lives.be/foru(...)10-deel-2-a-194.html

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 20:52 schreef Croupouque het volgende:
Het verbaast me ook niets, hoor.
Ik ben opgegroeid aan de Belgische grens, en het beeld dat Nederlanders van die "sympathieke Belgen" hebben klopt allerminst. Belgen verwijten Nederlanders vaak een zekere vorm van arrogantie, maar dat is een misverstand veroorzaakt door een groot cultuurverschil. Wij zijn direct in de manier waarop we onszelf uiten, Belgen bedekken hun woorden met een mantel van valse bescheidenheid, doen op het eerste gezicht vriendelijk tegen je maar steken vervolgens een giftige dolk in je rug wanneer je je omkeert. Ze hebben echter, en dat moet je ze nageven, wél een betere keuken.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 @ 21:11 schreef larry91 het volgende:

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Gewoon extreme subjectiviteit. Zal heus een supporter van Brazilië zijn of een Oranje-hater. Die doen die overtreding van Melo ook af als provocatie van Robben .

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 21:11 schreef larry91 het volgende:

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Gewoon extreme subjectiviteit. Zal heus een supporter van Brazilië zijn of een Oranje-hater. Die doen die overtreding van Melo ook af als provocatie van Robben .

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 @ 21:15 schreef Croupouque het volgende:

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'Wij' moeten in al onze subjectiviteit ook niet vergeten dat Van Bommel en Robben wel érg vaak en overdreven duikelden en dat we meermaals ontsnapt zijn aan een kaart.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 21:15 schreef Croupouque het volgende:

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'Wij' moeten in al onze subjectiviteit ook niet vergeten dat Van Bommel en Robben wel érg vaak en overdreven duikelden en dat we meermaals ontsnapt zijn aan een kaart.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 18:56 schreef Croupouque het volgende:
Ik moet eerlijk bekennen dat één van de eerste dingen die ik na een overwinning van het Nederlands elftal steeds doe het volgende is: de website hln.be bezoeken, genieten van hoe die jaloerse Belgen in hun reacties op het nieuws hun kolossale minderwaardigheidscomplex etaleren en héél, héél hard lachen. Wat een jaloers en stuitend achterbaks volk is dat toch.

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Op vrijdag 2 juli 2010 21:19 schreef Gert het volgende:

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Maar iemand die de aktie van Melo ook na de herhaling geen rood vindt, is een Holland- en/of Robben-hater, want hoeveel duidelijker wil je het hebben?