[Centraal] Pro Wrestling topic #62 Bragging Rights

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 10:21 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:All the stars are at a certain level. You can't make someone a star by simply bringing other stars down. That's not how the business works; it's not how it's ever worked. The new stars have to rise on their own. What big star ever laid down for me?

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But you put C.M. Punk in a 30-minute match with The Undertaker, it's 50-50 all the way and then Punk wins clean, the fans won't accept it. It does nothing for C.M. Punk, and it's also detrimental to the Undertaker.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 18:16 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:
Je snapt zn verhaal niet helemaal en trouwens...Foley en hij waren op hetzelfde level toen hij Foley versloeg, Triple H was toen al een main eventer dus dat gaat niet helemaal op. Rock en Triple H hebben elkaar main eventer gemaakt met die geweldige feud over de IC title, er is nooit een grotere ster voor beide gasten gaan liggen toen ze nog minder dan main event waren. Taker, Sid, Shawn en Bret waren de main eventers in die tijd en hij heeft geen van alle verslagen.

Het verhaal van Punk zie je helemaal verkeerd, het gaat erom dat je niemand opbouwt als je de match 50-50 laat opgaan en dat Punk dan clean wint, nee dan zou Punk óf met valsspelen moeten winnen óf hij zou moeten verliezen aangezien hij tegen een naam als Taker vecht en je daar niet zomaar van wint en zeker niet clean, dus ook al gaat het gelijk op en Punk verliest dan is Punk alsnog opgebouwd als grote ster

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Through Hogan’s partnership with Bischoff Hervey Entertainment Television, the deal with TNA was negotiated by longtime Hogan colleague Eric Bischoff. Additionally, BHE TV has inked a first-look deal with TNA and will be working with the organization to develop new programming extensions of the TNA brand.

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The wrestling legend and reality TV star on hitting rock bottom! From his ugly divorce to his son's traumatic car accident, Hulk Hogan tells all!

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"It's a small organization that doesn't have very much vision," Bischoff said.

Bischoff said he didn't want to work with people in the creative process "that couldn't get a job in WWE or shouldn't have had a job in WCW."

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 22:23 schreef Tazmaniac het volgende:
Het zijn geruchten maar 'word on the street' is dat Ric Flair dit jaar nog volgt

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 22:35 schreef Wessiej het volgende:

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Chris Benoit ook.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 18:16 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:
Je snapt zn verhaal niet helemaal en trouwens...Foley en hij waren op hetzelfde level toen hij Foley versloeg, Triple H was toen al een main eventer dus dat gaat niet helemaal op. Rock en Triple H hebben elkaar main eventer gemaakt met die geweldige feud over de IC title, er is nooit een grotere ster voor beide gasten gaan liggen toen ze nog minder dan main event waren. Taker, Sid, Shawn en Bret waren de main eventers in die tijd en hij heeft geen van alle verslagen.

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Het verhaal van Punk zie je helemaal verkeerd, het gaat erom dat je niemand opbouwt als je de match 50-50 laat opgaan en dat Punk dan clean wint, nee dan zou Punk óf met valsspelen moeten winnen óf hij zou moeten verliezen aangezien hij tegen een naam als Taker vecht en je daar niet zomaar van wint en zeker niet clean, dus ook al gaat het gelijk op en Punk verliest dan is Punk alsnog opgebouwd als grote ster

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 23:08 schreef Cubeforc3 het volgende:

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Foley was al sinds z'n KOTR match gigantisch over, da's minimaal een jaar voordat HHH champion werd. Plus hij was al jaren een "naam" door zijn eerdere WCW / Japan / ECW werk.
HHH was pas echt een main eventer na die Foley feud in het begin van 2000. Hij was helemaal niet op het level van een Rock / Austin toen hij de champion werd, hij werd flink gepushed en pas een flinke tijd daarna accepteerde het publiek hem als main eventer. Daarvoor versloeg hij Austin, Rock én Foley, veel grotere stars op dat moment.
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Daarom wordt ie dus in 8 minuten gesquashed door Undertaker? 50/50 en dan winnen is toch geen schande voor iemand die al 3x de World Champion is. Alsof Undertaker ook maar iets minder daarvan wordt, Khali en Kozlov hebben hem clean kunnen pinnen en dat maakte niks uit.

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Op dinsdag 27 oktober 2009 17:02 schreef Tazmaniac het volgende:

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It's now being said that Flair is very close to signing with TNA, and that a deal with the company is no longer a matter of if but a matter of when.

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As an outsider looking in, I see the end of TNA. Is Hogan a double agent? Dumping Jarrett a few weeks ago, Russo having heat with every heart beating person on the planet to now work beside Hogan. Don't think so.

Hogan and WWe have been in bed for the last 20 years. Look what happened with the coke (cocaine) league XWF. As soon as they did all the tapes for to sell to TV, WWe pulled all the top players i.e. Hogan, Henning, Lawler and the list went on, thus killing XWF after they spent 30 million dollars.

This Dixie Carter has fell into the arms of the Hillbilly Jarretts, the Vince "man of God" Russo who said anyone over 30 was too old for the business! Now of all people, she wants to throw money at Eric Bischoff and Hogan. Good for you Hulkster, hope you kick some cheese back to Vince. I see the scam. TNA dead in 12 months.

WWe kills from the inside you idiots. WCW was the master plan. XWF was the next victim. ROH will fall when Vince wants them to go away. As long as they are not a PPV or TV threat, they will live on. Not wrong, just good business. Let the other guys spend and spend and spend, then take the top guys and the promotion starts to die. Tie up the buildings where they have no place to run. Case in point, WWe will tie up any buildings around the world after they see the numbers of the Hogan Aussie Tour.

Do you think for one minute WWe is going to let Hogan and Flair tour the world for TNA? Not going to happen.

Till we meet again,
Adios

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Op woensdag 28 oktober 2009 19:48 schreef Tazmaniac het volgende:
Update on Ric Flair/TNA situation
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Hogan zou volgens 'a source close to the situation' complete control hebben en de enige waaraan hij verantwoording moet afleggen is schjnbaar de pa van Dixie chick

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Radio personality Bubba The Love Sponge, a close personal friend of Hogan's, has posted some comments on his Twitter page that will be of interest to everybody.

He wrote, "[Hogan] is the boss. Period. Him and Eric biscoff will run the show. Things are going to get interesting. Vince is going to have a shit fit." He later added, "The boss boss. No work. He wouldn't go back to only be the work boss. He is the boss boss. Promise"

When asked by one of his Twitter follows what he meant by Hogan being the "boss", he clarified by saying, "He is the Booker. Period. Saw it in his contract. Terry and Eric won't make the same mistakes that they made at wcw."

Take this for what it's worth.

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I spoke to a source within TNA this morning that has exclusively informed PWMania that Hulk Hogan is in complete creative control of TNA at the moment. His reach in the company even goes beyond Dixie Carter, and at this point the only person Hogan is answering to is Carter's father.

The future of employees such as Vince Russo, Ed Ferrara and others within management have yet to be determined. At this point, they will remain with the company on a trial basis depending on how well they work with Hogan.

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Op donderdag 29 oktober 2009 12:54 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:
Pooltje beginnen wanneer we Beefcake en de Nasty Boys in TNA zien?

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- Colin Delaney confirmed via his Facebook that he was backstage at last night's Smackdown tapings and may be returning to the company soon.

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Op donderdag 29 oktober 2009 18:26 schreef The-Brahma-Bull het volgende:

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Kidkash kan niks positief over TNA zeggen hoor, leer dat nou eens

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Op donderdag 29 oktober 2009 23:38 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:

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Right....en daarom zeggen meerdere mensen hetzelfde over Hogan + je hebt selectief geheugen want ik zeg al tijden en tijden dat ik hóóp dat TNA eens een beetje competition kan brengen want dat is alleen maar goed voor het produkt maar dat zien je fanboy ogen niet. TNA is nog lang geen competition zelfs niet mét Hogan

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Op donderdag 29 oktober 2009 23:58 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:
Alright....iets anders...Check die beat

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Op zaterdag 31 oktober 2009 16:57 schreef The-Brahma-Bull het volgende:
Impact was fantastisch weer

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TNA officials are said to be disappointed over the cable rating for Hulk Hogan's debut on last week's episode of Impact, which actually scored a 1.2 rather than a 1.3 (rounded down from 1.24). Company brass were expecting a much higher number for the TNA debut of the wrestling legend.

Viewers tuned out as the show progressed with the first hour averaging a 1.26 rating and the second hour averaging a 1.21 rating.

Viewership was way up in the males 18-49 and 19-34 demos, scoring a 1.10 and 1.06, respectively. Both were the show's highest ratings since March 19, 2009.

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Those eagerly anticipating Hulk Hogan's debut in the Impact Zone might have to wait a bit. TNA officials aren't even sure what is going on regarding when Hogan will debut.

The feeling is that Hogan will not actually appear in TNA until the conclusion of the NFL regular season — meaning next year. There is some thought that Hogan is waiting for the season to end, so when there is the usual artificial ratings bump, he can take credit for it.

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TNA's Bound For Glory PPV in Irvine, CA on October 18 drew a total of 2,400 fans at the Bren Events Center.

As reported earlier, they were heavily papering the show ahead of time so that end figure is a result. We're told several in TNA tried to prevent the company from even going to Los Angeles for the show figuring they would have troubles drawing well.

It should be noted that after months of promotion and hype on television, only 850 tickets were sold around a week before the show.

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Jerry Jarrett, one of the founders of TNA Wrestling, posted the following comments on his Facebook page today regarding TNA's new partnership with Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff:

The hot news currently is all about Hulk Hogan and Eric Bishoff signing with TNA. I sincerely wish them well and from the one comment I read, Hulk might be able to bring a positive shift to the company. Hulk stated that he wants to help the new talent learn and appreciate the "Art of Professional Wrestling". If he is allowed to do this, the product will greatly improve and it will be positive for the business.

The "Art of Professional Wrestling" has been lost recently and I place the blame squarly on the shoulders of the promoters of the business. Wrestling talent currently is over-produced to the point that most wrestlers are reduced to trying to be actors, (which most are not) by giving scripted interviews and robotic matches. To make matters worse, the scripts are written by producers who don't have a clue what professional wrestling is all about.

In about five years the business changed and in my opinion for the worst. I discovered in 2002, when we started TNA, that the heart of the business had been removed and all that remained was the illusion of professional wrestling. I walked in the building in Huntsville, Ala. to find the ring filled with wrestlers rehearsing every move that they planned to make during their match. I watched as wrestlers sat reading and memorizing interviews. I was dumbfounded when I discovered that basic principals of the business were alien to the new wrestlers. I felt that I was talking in a foreign language. What is heat? What is a ring general? What is selling? What do you mean when you say listen to the fans?

I was told after I broke into this business that it was our duty to teach the new talent the "Art of Professional Wrestling".I was told when we began TNA that the business had changed and it was not possible to go back to that art form. I have my personal excuses for not going in that direction, but I regret not trying and this is why I truly hope Terry can do what I could not do.

The business today has truly changed. The new wrestlers are taught in "training camps", or wrestling schools. It seems to me that if you put twenty wrestlers in a school and one man teaches them all, they would tend to be somewhat clones of each other. Wrestlers should be taught the business by other wrestlers in live situations. A student who goes to a wrestling school will learn everything he is going to lean at the school in 90 days. He will never advance until he learns from veteran wrestlers in live match situations. Far too much emphases is placed on in ring work anyway. I think this is the result of wrestling websites, written by people who have never had a match, telling wrestlers that they have a 5 star match or a 2 star match. I'd guess that Hulk Hogan has never been given one 5 star match rating in his career. I'd also bet that he had drawn more money in the wrestling business than all the 5 star rated wrestles combined.

Superstars of the wrestling business become Superstars because of their personalities and not because of their in-ring wrestling abliity. Verbal skills are much more important that physical skills when it comes to drawing money in this business. You don't develop verbal skills in a talent by writing a script and allowing the talent to read his lines. How can a writer of these interview scripts not produce clone interviews? The unique personalities of wrestlers are hidden and only the thoughts of this one writer are expressed.

The uniqueness of professional wrestling and it's great public appeal is based on the interaction of personalities of the talent. To not understand this concept is to fail. If you take a walk in your memory and remember the great stars of professional wrestling, you will find that you best remember the personality and not the matches of these stars.

So Terry, good luck in your efforts. You have a big job in front of you.

Jerry

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Op maandag 2 november 2009 22:31 schreef kidkash19 het volgende:

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Although we reported that this past Thursday's edition of TNA Impact finished with a 1.2 cable rating, which is up from the previous week's 1.1 number, it should be noted that the Hulk Hogan video which aired on the program was part of the lowest rated quarter hour of the show. The final quarter hour of the show, which contained the video, drew a 1.18.

It's a scary stat for TNA when you consider that they spent the whole show hyping up his segment.

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Hulk Hogan spoke to Minnesota's City Pages newspaper this week and made some interesting things to say about his relationship with Vince McMahon in the 1980s, how much power he'll have in TNA and what it meant to announce his partnership with TNA at Madison Square Garden. To read the whole interview, visit Citypages.com.

Hogan claims that Vince "didn't really understand the business" after buying the company from from his father, Vince McMahon, Sr. "I moved in next door to him in Connecticut and taught him all about lifting weights and riding motorcycles and partying like a mad man; and then I taught him about the wrestling business and making money," Hogan said. "And now I'm doing that again with TNA Wrestling."

Hogan also talked himself up as the savior for TNA. He said the company agreed that he could have a "Vince McMahon role" calling the shots for TNA. Hogan says he will be "unofficially" running the promotion and will have the same if not more influence than he had during his run in WCW.

"All I told these guys was that they should give me a chance. If they didn't like what I was doing they can tell me to take a hike, but let me have the chance to come in and take a shot at it," Hogan said. "Let the fans and the other wrestlers take a look and decide for themselves what they're in to and I'm confident that I will get this thing rockin'."

Hogan is already crediting himself with generating the most buzz for TNA in its history and explains the significance of announcing his partnership with TNA Wrestling at Madison Square Garden in New York City.

"The proof is already out there. In the course of a few days we've got more buzz going for TNA Wrestling then it's had in seven years. For example, no other wrestling organization had ever been able to get into Madison Square Garden in New York for like, 100 years, because Vince owns it and his family owned it before him. So I came in and was like, 'Watch this.; And we did a press conference at Madison Square Garden.

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