Millitaire coup Honduras

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Op zondag 28 juni 2009 18:28 schreef Klopkoek het volgende:
Tsja, Iran krijgt alle aandacht maar deze mensen kunnen lekker verrekken van de Fokkers

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Op zondag 28 juni 2009 18:28 schreef Klopkoek het volgende:
Tsja, Iran krijgt alle aandacht maar deze mensen kunnen lekker verrekken van de Fokkers

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Op zondag 28 juni 2009 19:33 schreef wanhoopz het volgende:
Chavez staat paraat om in te grijpen als de ambassadeur wordt gevang genomen of er een nieuwe regering zal ontstaan.

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Op zondag 28 juni 2009 19:03 schreef Erasmo het volgende:
Usual business daar

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Op zondag 28 juni 2009 19:36 schreef Whiskey_Tango het volgende:

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En dan wat, wil hij de paarden van stal halen en een chargé uitvoeren op Honduras? Verpauperd land als Venezuela heeft weinig te willen op militair gebied.

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Op zondag 28 juni 2009 19:40 schreef wanhoopz het volgende:

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sucker

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VENEZUELA'S CHAVEZ SAYS HE WILL "BRING DOWN" ANY NEW GOVERNMENT IN HONDURAS

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Ecuador says it will not recognize any new government after Honduras coup

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Op zondag 28 juni 2009 19:53 schreef Frutsel het volgende:

Ah...Chavez..

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Op zondag 28 juni 2009 19:40 schreef Whiskey_Tango het volgende:

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Goed argument, u stijgt in mijn waarde

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Op zondag 28 juni 2009 20:05 schreef wanhoopz het volgende:

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Er wonen nog steeds 'mensen' daar.

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Op maandag 29 juni 2009 02:58 schreef eleusis het volgende:
Ik wil deze mensen helpen. Welke kleur kan ik hiervoor het beste nemen?

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Honduras Defends Its Democracy: Fidel Castro and Hillary Clinton object.


Hugo Chávez's coalition-building efforts suffered a setback yesterday when the Honduran military sent its president packing for abusing the nation's constitution.

It seems that President Mel Zelaya miscalculated when he tried to emulate the success of his good friend Hugo in reshaping the Honduran Constitution to his liking.

But Honduras is not out of the Venezuelan woods yet. Yesterday the Central American country was being pressured to restore the authoritarian Mr. Zelaya by the likes of Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega, Hillary Clinton and, of course, Hugo himself. The Organization of American States, having ignored Mr. Zelaya's abuses, also wants him back in power. It will be a miracle if Honduran patriots can hold their ground.


Associated Press
That Mr. Zelaya acted as if he were above the law, there is no doubt. While Honduran law allows for a constitutional rewrite, the power to open that door does not lie with the president. A constituent assembly can only be called through a national referendum approved by its Congress.

But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chávez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do.

The top military commander, Gen. Romeo Vásquez Velásquez, told the president that he would have to comply. Mr. Zelaya promptly fired him. The Supreme Court ordered him reinstated. Mr. Zelaya refused.

Calculating that some critical mass of Hondurans would take his side, the president decided he would run the referendum himself. So on Thursday he led a mob that broke into the military installation where the ballots from Venezuela were being stored and then had his supporters distribute them in defiance of the Supreme Court's order.

The attorney general had already made clear that the referendum was illegal, and he further announced that he would prosecute anyone involved in carrying it out. Yesterday, Mr. Zelaya was arrested by the military and is now in exile in Costa Rica.

It remains to be seen what Mr. Zelaya's next move will be. It's not surprising that chavistas throughout the region are claiming that he was victim of a military coup. They want to hide the fact that the military was acting on a court order to defend the rule of law and the constitution, and that the Congress asserted itself for that purpose, too.

Mrs. Clinton has piled on as well. Yesterday she accused Honduras of violating "the precepts of the Interamerican Democratic Charter" and said it "should be condemned by all." Fidel Castro did just that. Mr. Chávez pledged to overthrow the new government.

Honduras is fighting back by strictly following the constitution. The Honduran Congress met in emergency session yesterday and designated its president as the interim executive as stipulated in Honduran law. It also said that presidential elections set for November will go forward. The Supreme Court later said that the military acted on its orders. It also said that when Mr. Zelaya realized that he was going to be prosecuted for his illegal behavior, he agreed to an offer to resign in exchange for safe passage out of the country. Mr. Zelaya denies it.

Many Hondurans are going to be celebrating Mr. Zelaya's foreign excursion. Street protests against his heavy-handed tactics had already begun last week. On Friday a large number of military reservists took their turn. "We won't go backwards," one sign said. "We want to live in peace, freedom and development."

Besides opposition from the Congress, the Supreme Court, the electoral tribunal and the attorney general, the president had also become persona non grata with the Catholic Church and numerous evangelical church leaders. On Thursday evening his own party in Congress sponsored a resolution to investigate whether he is mentally unfit to remain in office.

For Hondurans who still remember military dictatorship, Mr. Zelaya also has another strike against him: He keeps rotten company. Earlier this month he hosted an OAS general assembly and led the effort, along side OAS Secretary General José Miguel Insulza, to bring Cuba back into the supposedly democratic organization.

The OAS response is no surprise. Former Argentine Ambassador to the U.N. Emilio Cárdenas told me on Saturday that he was concerned that "the OAS under Insulza has not taken seriously the so-called 'democratic charter.' It seems to believe that only military 'coups' can challenge democracy. The truth is that democracy can be challenged from within, as the experiences of Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua, and now Honduras, prove." A less-kind interpretation of Mr. Insulza's judgment is that he doesn't mind the Chávez-style coup.

The struggle against chavismo has never been about left-right politics. It is about defending the independence of institutions that keep presidents from becoming dictators. This crisis clearly delineates the problem. In failing to come to the aid of checks and balances, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Insulza expose their true colors.

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President Obama says the Honduran coup was not legal and says that Zelaya is still the president of the country

Many Honduran media outlets have been playing soap operas and cooking shows after coup. Some internet sites have experienced downtime.

Soldiers storm Honduran radio station and shut down CNN en Espanol and Venezuelan-based Telesur

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Honduras's New Government Vows to Maintain Power

CARACAS, Venezuela, June 29 -- Honduras's new government vowed on Monday to remain in power despite growing worldwide opposition to the military coup that ousted President Manuel Zelaya.

Although the United States and its allies condemned the coup, the most vocal opposition came from Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who convened a summit of leftist allies in Nicaragua to find a way to restore Zelaya.

"This coup will be defeated," Chavez said in the meeting in Managua, also attended by the leaders of Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua and other countries allied with Honduras. "We have to be very firm, very firm. This cannot end until Jose Manuel Zelaya is returned to power, without condition."

Earlier, Chavez had pledged to "overthrow" Roberto Micheletti, a Honduran congressman and member of Zelaya's party who was sworn in as president Sunday afternoon. Hours before the swearing-in, heavily armed troops burst into the presidential palace in Tegucigalpa, broke through the door of Zelaya's bedroom and roused him from bed. He told reporters that guns were pointed at him and that he was later put on a plane and flown into exile in Costa Rica.

On Monday, Micheletti responded to Chavez's threat on Honduran radio, saying "Nobody scares us."

"I am sure that 80 to 90 percent of the Honduran population is happy with what happened," he said. Micheletti also said that he had not spoken to any other Latin American head of state.

Venezuelan state television and CNN en Español carried images of demonstrators who defied a curfew and taunted soldiers outside Honduras's presidential palace. Zelaya, speaking to reporters in Managua, Nicaragua, demanded that he be restored to power but said that violence was not an option.

He also said that many Hondurans had no idea about the worldwide condemnation of the coup because private television stations in his country blacked out coverage, playing cartoons and soap operas instead.

Across the Americas and Europe, countries called for the reinstatement of Zelaya. Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, president of Brazil, an influential regional power, said his government would not recognize any Honduran administration not headed by Zelaya. "We in Latin America can no longer accept someone trying to resolve his problem through the means of a coup," Silva said.

Rest of the story continues here....

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Op maandag 29 juni 2009 10:24 schreef Howl het volgende:
De regio is een stuk stabieler dan tijdens de koude oorlog. Maar er zijn nog veel mensen die dromen van een linkse revolutie. Cuba en Venezuela weten dat perfect aan te wakkeren. En aan de andere kant zijn er veel rijken die niets moeten hebben van linkse nieuwlichterij. De president van Honduras had de zaak op de spits gedreven, door zijn zin door te drijven.

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Op maandag 29 juni 2009 22:56 schreef reem het volgende:
Ik vind het maar schimmig hoor. Aan de ene kant moet een president die zich niet aan de grondwet houdt gewoon gestopt worden. Maar je kunt 'm ook gewoon aanklagen en laten veroordelen ipv hem t land uit te flikkeren en t leger de straat op te sturen en zenders op zwart te zetten. Volgens mij was dit een uitstekend excuus voor de oliegarchie om hun verloren privileges en corrupte regime voort te zetten.

Het is ook veelzeggend dat praktische alle internationale organisaties en regeringen de coup veroordelen, zelfs de USA.

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Op dinsdag 30 juni 2009 01:10 schreef DiegoArmandoMaradona het volgende:
Honduras op wereldniveau is ongeveer het zelfde als Andorra op Europees niveau.

Niemand interesseert het wat

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Op dinsdag 30 juni 2009 09:20 schreef MoltiSanti het volgende:

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WO I begon ook met een vrij nietszeggende gebeurtenis

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Op dinsdag 30 juni 2009 09:25 schreef EricT het volgende:

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Dit dus. Het kan best uitlopen op een regionaal conflict. Ben benieuwd wat Cuba doet

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Op maandag 29 juni 2009 22:56 schreef reem het volgende:
Ik vind het maar schimmig hoor. Aan de ene kant moet een president die zich niet aan de grondwet houdt gewoon gestopt worden. Maar je kunt 'm ook gewoon aanklagen en laten veroordelen ipv hem t land uit te flikkeren en t leger de straat op te sturen en zenders op zwart te zetten. Volgens mij was dit een uitstekend excuus voor de oliegarchie om hun verloren privileges en corrupte regime voort te zetten.

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Op dinsdag 30 juni 2009 10:31 schreef DiegoArmandoMaradona het volgende:

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Ze gaan denk ik met hun 500 AK 47 een invasie voorbereiden

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Op dinsdag 30 juni 2009 12:53 schreef Weltschmerz het volgende:

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Op dinsdag 30 juni 2009 13:52 schreef Den_Haag het volgende:
bla kapitalisme bla onrecht bla....

feit blijft dat een President niet boven de grondwet en de rechtsprekende macht staat in een land. als hij zich daar niet aan wil houden en met een prive militie probeert de macht te grijpen moet er in gegrepen worden door het leger/politie.

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The Winner in Honduras: Chávez

June 30, 2009
Op-Ed Contributor
The Winner in Honduras: Chávez
By ALVARO VARGAS LLOSA
IN the weeks leading up to Honduras’s coup, president Manuel Zelaya, an ally of President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela, knew what he was doing. In pushing the limits of democracy by trying to force a constitutional change that would permit his re-election, he set a trap for the military. The military fell for it, turning an unpopular president who was nearing the end of his term into an international cause célèbre.

Although the coup has popular support in Honduras, it has also allowed Mr. Chávez, who is leading the international response, to claim the moral high ground. The coup leaders, who were trying to prevent Mr. Chávez from bringing Honduras into his fold, may end up giving him more strength in the region.

Mr. Chávez quickly came out in support of Mr. Zelaya. He threatened Honduras with military action and went to Nicaragua, where a meeting of the Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas, the Caracas-led alliance born as an alternative to the American-led Free Trade Area of the Americas, was the perfect opportunity to take charge of the Latin American pro-Zelaya effort.

The Organization of American States later condemned the coup (other Latin American governments followed suit) and its secretary general flew to Nicaragua, where a wider regional meeting was arranged. Mr. Chávez sent an airplane to fly Mr. Zelaya to that gathering, even welcoming him at the airport in Nicaragua’s capital, Managua.

Across the Spanish-language news media, the recurring image of the last two days has been that of Mr. Chávez and his allies working furiously for Honduran democracy. The United States’s more measured response, and the low-profile stance taken by some South American governments, have been lost amid the high-stakes campaign launched by Venezuela’s caudillo.

This is not what Honduras’s establishment, horrified by Mr. Chávez’s increasing influence, intended when it got rid of Mr. Zelaya. It is also a pretty surreal turn of events for those who followed the career of the now-deposed president. A member of Honduras’s landed oligarchy, Mr. Zelaya came to power in 2006 as the leader of the Liberal Party, a center-right organization. He was a product of the establishment: an heir to the family fortune, he had devoted decades to his agriculture and forestry enterprises, supported the Central America Free Trade Agreement with the United States, and ran for president on a conservative platform, promising to be tough on crime and to cut the budget.

Around halfway into his term, however, Mr. Zelaya had an apparent ideological epiphany and became an admirer of Mr. Chávez. He signed a deal for a generous oil subsidy from Venezuela; last year he incorporated Honduras into the Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas. Soon enough, power went to his head.

As the general elections scheduled for November began to creep up, Mr. Zelaya decided to hold a referendum with the ultimate aim of allowing him to seek re-election. The move violated articles of the Constitution that forbid changes to the presidential limit of one four-year term and establish the legal procedure for constitutional amendments. The electoral court, the Supreme Court, the attorney general, Congress and members of his own party declared Mr. Zelaya’s intention unlawful. Then, on Sunday, the military stepped in.

The ideal solution would be for Mr. Zelaya to return to power and leave office next year, when his successor takes over. However, it is doubtful that the coup leaders will back down. It is also unlikely that, if he were triumphantly reinstated, Mr. Zelaya would give up his re-election scheme. All of this almost guarantees a period of illegitimate rule in Honduras — and of incessant exploitation of the situation by Mr. Chávez, the unlikely champion of Jeffersonian democracy in Latin America.

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Op dinsdag 30 juni 2009 13:52 schreef Den_Haag het volgende:
bla kapitalisme bla onrecht bla....

feit blijft dat een President niet boven de grondwet en de rechtsprekende macht staat in een land. als hij zich daar niet aan wil houden en met een prive militie probeert de macht te grijpen moet er in gegrepen worden door het leger/politie.

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Op dinsdag 30 juni 2009 14:33 schreef Weltschmerz het volgende:

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Hoezo door heet leger? Het leger moet braaf doen wat de regering zegt, en niks anders. Het is sowieso al belachelijk dat een president steun moet zoeken bij een generaal.

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Honduran Coup Turns Violent, Sanctions Imposed

Thousands of Hondurans are now in the streets to protest the coup d'etat in their country. They have been met with tear gas, anti-riot rubber bullets, tanks firing water mixed with chemicals, and clubs. Police have moved in to break down barricades and soldiers used violence to push back protesters at the presidential residence, leaving an unknown number wounded.

If the coup leaders were desperate when they decided to forcibly depose the elected president, they are even more desperate now. Stripped of its pretense of legality by universal repudiation and faced with a popular uprising, the coup has turned to more violent means.

The scoreboard in the battle for Honduras shows the coup losing badly. It has not gained a single point in the international diplomatic arena, it has no serious legal points, and the Honduran people are mobilizing against it. As the military and coup leaders resort to brute force, they rack up even more points against them in human rights and common decency.

Only one factor brought the coup to power and only one factor has enabled it to hold on for these few days--control of the armed forces. Now even that seems to be eroding.