quote:Top dissident cleric warns Iran over crackdown
TEHRAN (AFP) — Top Iranian dissident cleric Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri warned on Thursday that continued suppression of opposition protests could threaten the very basis of the Islamic republic.
"If Iranians cannot talk about their legitimate rights at peaceful gatherings and are instead suppressed, frustrations will build up which could possibly uproot the foundations of the government, no matter how powerful," the cleric said in a statement faxed to AFP.
It was the latest broadside fired off against the regime by Montazeri, who was once tipped to take over from the father of the revolution Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini but fell out with the late leader before his death.
Montazeri, now 85, also urged the authorities to set up an "impartial" committee with full power to find a solution to the worst crisis in the 30-year history of the Islamic republic.
"My recommendation to the great and dear Iranian nation is to pursue its logical and fair demands in complete calm," he added.
Tehran has been rocked by a wave of unrest since the result of the June 12 poll gave President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a thumping victory over his main rival Mir Hossein Mousavi.
Last week Montazeri called on Iran?s young people to pursue peaceful demonstrations against the election result, which the opposition has charged was rigged to ensure victory for the hardline incumbent.
One of the main architects of the Islamic republic, Montazeri was a student and close ally of Khomeini. But he fell from grace in the late 1980s after he became too openly critical of political and cultural restrictions, most notably Iran's treatment of political prisoners and opposition groups.
Montazeri resigned months before Khomeini's death in 1989, and was told by Khomeini to stay out of politics and focus instead on teaching in the religious city of Qom.
Montazeri, considered by his followers to be the highest living authority of Shiite Islam in Iran, has also questioned the theological credentials of current supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
This was branded as treason, and in 1997 Montazeri was placed under house arrest for five years before being released under the presidency of Ahmadinejad's predecessor Mohammad Khatami.
Another top cleric Grand Ayatollah Nasser Makarem Shirazi said the election dispute must be resolved in a way that leaves no doubt in the minds of the people.
"The issue should be resolved in a way that turns suspicion into trust," he was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency.
"I expect that when the dust settles, we come up with solutions to the issue in order to achieve national peace. I call upon all experts to solve the crisis."
http://www.google.com/hos(...)2A3bSE44i_MvccKr_sfAquote:
Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri was placed under house arrest in 1997
Stemmingmakerij... dit geloof ik niet.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 15:20 schreef Manke het volgende:
RT@cnnbrk@LaraABCNews RT from #iran Report: Execution of Some Protesters That Were Arrested Has Begun (Confirmed)
Zo ongelooflijk is het ook weer niet, de geschiedenis leert dat 'ze' nogal medogenloos opereren als het om tegenstand gaat. Verzet tegen de dictator wordt al snel uitgelegd als afvalligheid van het ware geloof en daar staat de doodstraf op.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 15:25 schreef feessie het volgende:
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Stemmingmakerij... dit geloof ik niet.
Ik geloof zeker wel dat het ooit zal gebeuren , maar niet dat het nu al gebeurd.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 15:41 schreef HiZ het volgende:
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Zo ongelooflijk is het ook weer niet, de geschiedenis leert dat 'ze' nogal medogenloos opereren als het om tegenstand gaat. Verzet tegen de dictator wordt al snel uitgelegd als afvalligheid van het ware geloof en daar staat de doodstraf op.
Al vrij snel na de eerste demonstraties werd verkondigd dat elk protest gezien werd als een aanval op de islam.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 15:41 schreef HiZ het volgende:
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Zo ongelooflijk is het ook weer niet, de geschiedenis leert dat 'ze' nogal medogenloos opereren als het om tegenstand gaat. Verzet tegen de dictator wordt al snel uitgelegd als afvalligheid van het ware geloof en daar staat de doodstraf op.
Als het aan mij ligt pamfletten strooien dat we de revolutie steunen en eventueel binnen zullen trekken met legers. Maarja, wishful thinking.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 15:48 schreef Py het volgende:
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Al vrij snel na de eerste demonstraties werd verkondigd dat elk protest gezien werd als een aanval op de islam.
Ja want ze hebben in Iran helemaal geen moeite met rechtbanken die mensen veroordelen op basis van de aanklacht alleen.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 15:48 schreef feessie het volgende:
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Ik geloof zeker wel dat het ooit zal gebeuren , maar niet dat het nu al gebeurd.
De mensen komen eerst voor een tribunaal zover ik gehoord heb.
ja dat d8 ik ookquote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 15:25 schreef feessie het volgende:
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Stemmingmakerij... dit geloof ik niet.
Sommige mensen denken echt dat Iran een leuk land is.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 15:25 schreef feessie het volgende:
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Stemmingmakerij... dit geloof ik niet.
Dat tweede punt is natuurlijk kul. "Neda Agha Soltan" staat er als naam.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 16:12 schreef Disana het volgende:
Inderdaad, twijfels over de nieuwe persiankiwi:
@oxfordgirl persiankiwi2's English is much better - more grammatically correct. Don't believe it's her. Why change name to Persiankiwi2?
@oxfordgirl plus persiankiwi never listed her real name, this one does!
En daarnaast is het Engels ook niet echt beter. Maar er waren hier ook twijfels.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 16:17 schreef Tourniquet het volgende:
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Dat tweede punt is natuurlijk kul. "Neda Agha Soltan" staat er als naam.
quote:Khatami, a member of the Assembly of Experts, said the judiciary should charge the leading "rioters" as being "mohareb" or one who wages war against God.
"They should be punished ruthlessly and savagely," he said. Under Iran's Islamic law, punishment for people convicted as mohareb is execution.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090626/ts_nm/us_iran_election_213
Ik vind het toch wel knap dat jij kan oordelen hoe ik over Iran denkt.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 16:16 schreef .txt het volgende:
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Sommige mensen denken echt dat Iran een leuk land is.
Punt blijft dat het een gerucht kan zijn, maar dat het net zo makkelijk echt kan zijn. De mullah's hebben zich nooit geschaamd voor de schaamteloze vertoning die in Iran voor recht moet doorgaan.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 16:25 schreef feessie het volgende:
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Ik vind het toch wel knap dat jij kan oordelen hoe ik over Iran denkt.
Er wordt een bericht getwitterd wat vrij veel op stemmingmakerij lijkt. Vervolgens trek ik dat bericht in twijfel en dan ga jij vertellen dat ik Iran een leuk land vind..
Twitter is WAARHEID.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 16:25 schreef feessie het volgende:
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Ik vind het toch wel knap dat jij kan oordelen hoe ik over Iran denkt.
Er wordt een bericht getwitterd wat vrij veel op stemmingmakerij lijkt. Vervolgens trek ik dat bericht in twijfel en dan ga jij vertellen dat ik Iran een leuk land vind..
Militair ingrijpen, of daar minimaal mee dreigen.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 19:41 schreef Hukkie het volgende:
Maar wat zou de buitenwereld precies moeten (en kunnen) doen dan?
Want niets helpt immers een binnenlandse oppositie meer dan de grote vijand die dreigt het land te bombarderen.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 19:45 schreef isogram het volgende:
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Militair ingrijpen, of daar minimaal mee dreigen.
Als de Perzen iets zijn is het wel patriotisch, als een ander land hun land binnen komt rollen dan zou het zomaar kunnen gebeuren dat iedereen de protesten op de achtergrond zet om zich als 1 land tegen de invallers te zetten.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 19:45 schreef isogram het volgende:
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Militair ingrijpen, of daar minimaal mee dreigen.
Onzinnig, dan staan de demonstranten en de soldaten tegen de Invaders te vechten... realist zijn.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 19:45 schreef isogram het volgende:
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Militair ingrijpen, of daar minimaal mee dreigen.
http://www.huffingtonpost(...)bloggi_n_221270.htmlquote:Iranian embassy employees have demonstrators with baton at a demonstration outside the embassy on Lidingö in Stockholm on Friday afternoon, according to a witness on the spot.
Ten or twenty demonstrators broke through the fence, entered the embassy area. Then came some from inside the area, came forward påkar and began to turn on the demonstrators, "said Roya Hakimnia, 24-year-old läkarstudent participating in the demonstration.
She saw himself more persons, men and women, be hit by truncheon kind, but says that no one seems to have been seriously damaged.
Inroads were made around the clock 16.30. The demonstrators were unarmed but had earlier thrown stones into the area, where several embassy staff moved to the lawn and looked throughout the demonstration.
http://www.google.com/hos(...)t5W19tgGHMgD992EOLG2quote:Swedish broadcaster SVT says Iran Embassy attacked
3 hours ago
STOCKHOLM (AP) — Swedish broadcaster SVT says the Iranian Embassy outside Stockholm is being attacked by demonstrators.
The report says about 150 people are trying to storm the embassy building. It was not immediately clear if anyone was hurt.
SVT said Friday that about 20 police patrols arrived on the scene.
Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
http://twitter.com/laraabcnewsquote:Allahu Akbars begin. "Intensity hasn't diminished. I hear warning shots, but after the shot they changed to death to dictator" #iranelectionabout 1 hour ago from web
Beetje vaag. Eerst hebben ze batons, dan zijn ze ongewapend.quote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 20:55 schreef AlexanderDeGrote het volgende:
Iets aan de hand bij de Iraanse ambassade in Stockholm, via de Huffington post, lekker gammele vertaling uit Zweeds alleen weer helaas, gek bij Spaans werkt internetvertalen altijd heel goed.
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EDIT, hier van AP:
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slowly but surely its dieingquote:Op vrijdag 26 juni 2009 21:32 schreef Py het volgende:
Nope, niet meer gezien, niet meer gehoord.
Van de ambassade in Stockholm is een filmpje, uiteraard. Het staat in de hekken en als ze daar doorheen glippen begint er een mannetje te meppen.
Bekijk deze YouTube-video
tot de basji weer een rondje doet.quote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk(...)ion-protests-mousaviquote:Iran opposition alleges plot to implicate Mir Hossein Mousavi
Jailed Iranian reformists have been tortured in an attempt to force them into TV "confessions" of a foreign-led plot against the Islamic regime, it was allegedtoday, as the country's guardian council buried hopes for any significant revision of the disputed presidential election.
According to Iranian opposition websites, the "confessions" are aimed at implicating Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi, the defeated reformist candidates, in an alleged conspiracy.
Mostafa Tajzadeh, Abdollah Ramezanzadeh and Mohsen Aminzadeh, all Mousavi supporters, are reported to have undergone "intensive interrogation" sessions in Tehran's Evin prison since Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's disputed re-election.
They are among several hundred activists, academics, journalists and students detained in a crackdown coinciding with the brutal suppression of street protests.
Prisoners reportedly heard screams from Tajzadeh and Ramezanzadeh in Evin's section 209, which is reserved for political prisoners and is run by the hardline intelligence ministry. Aminzadeh, a former deputy foreign minister, was heard shouting: "I am not going to give interviews."
Amnesty International said the reports came from "very credible sources".
The guardian Council has declared there were no major violations in the vote, which it described as the "healthiest" since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. It had already rejected a call by Mousavi, for the election to be annulled because of suspected vote rigging.
a senior cleric, Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami, told worshippers at Tehran University: "I want the judiciary to ... punish leading rioters firmly and without showing any mercy to teach everyone a lesson." Ominously, he used the term "mohareb" – "one who wages war against God" – a crime punishable by death.
Khatami's sermon, broadcast live on state TV, included accusations that the unrest was supported by Israel and the US, and that foreign journalists had reported falsely. He claimed Neda Agha Soltan, who became a symbol of the opposition when her death was caught on video, was a victim of protesters, not the security forces. "Government forces do not shoot at a lady standing in a side street," he said.
Protests have continued for nearly two weeks, but faded in recent days after a crackdown by security forces and a perceived lack of leadership by Mousavi. About 20 people have been killed and hundreds beaten and arrested.
This week, state television broadcast interviews with several people admitting to being "terrorists" after purportedly taking part in street demonstrations. But forced "confessions" have been used before to humiliate and discredit opponents of the regime.
Tajzadeh's wife, Fakhrosadat Mohtashamipour, told the pro-reform website Emruz that she and a lawyer had been denied access to him since his arrest the day after the 12 June election. "Any quote or remarks made by these people in the current situation has no credibility. My husband's only crime is his efforts to secure a high turnout," she said.
Tajzadeh, 53, a member of the pro-reform Islamic Participation Front and the Islamic Revolution Mojahedin Organisation, has been a staunch critic of Ahmadinejad. Renewed fears have been voiced over the health of another jailed reformist, Saeed Hajarian, a former adviser to the reformist president Mohammed Khatami who is severely disabled from a failed assassination attempt nine years ago. Reports of Hajarian's death were dismissed by the reformist website Parlemannews, which quoted "informed sources" as saying he was in "relative health" and being given essential medication and care.
David Miliband, the foreign secretary, said at a G8 meeting in Trieste: "It is for the Iranian people to choose their government, but it is for the Iranian government to protect their people. The violence we have seen ...and the killings and the beatings are deplorable and they show a failure to protect their own people. There is a crisis of credibility not between Iran and the west, but between the Iranian counting of the votes and the Iranian people."
Meanwhile, state TV reported that the head of Mousavi's information committee, Abolfazl Fateh, had been prevented from leaving Iran for Britain, where he is a PhD student. Fars, a pro-Ahmadinejad news agency close to the country's Revolutionary Guard, said he had been banned from travelling to allow the authorities to investigate "recent gatherings", a reference to the pro-Mousavi demonstrations.
quote:Must go now, hope to have more news Saturday. #iranelection #gr88 #iran4 minutes ago from web
quote:world is saying Iran protests r over, we are at critical time. Ppl are prepared to die, R leaders must be prepared to lead. #iranelection12 minutes ago from web
http://twitter.com/oxfordgirlquote:I think it is essential we R seen on the streets again, balloons are gd for election campaigns, but we must increase pressure. #iranelection13 minutes ago from web
Dit is van de 22e en het is mooi... maar ik vraag me af of ze het nu nog zouden durven.quote:
Hehehe, dat was wel even leukquote:Op zaterdag 27 juni 2009 12:50 schreef AlexanderDeGrote het volgende:
Check deze speech van een pro-Moussavi man in het Iraanse parlement:
Balls of steel.
Bwehe, die knakker heeft goede mimiek, wat zou het leuk zijn om Balkie eens op zo'n manier te horen spreken.quote:Op zaterdag 27 juni 2009 12:50 schreef AlexanderDeGrote het volgende:
Check deze speech van een pro-Moussavi man in het Iraanse parlement:
Balls of steel.
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