Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) # 25

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Op zondag 7 december 2008 20:50 schreef mrBhimself het volgende:
Ho ho Polleeder de zaak Holloway heeft wel degelijk te maken met Sociale cohesie, burgerschap en multiculturaliteit.

Maar dan verwacht ik ook een kundig stukje van hem over Sociale cohesie, burgerschap en multiculturaliteit. Dit leek meer op meegaan met de hype om effe lekker af te geven op Joran

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Op zondag 7 december 2008 20:07 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Ik begon dit topic een jaar geleden met een verhaal dat ik helemaal niet geloof in dat "strand" verhaal Haha

Dat weet ik.

Er zijn veel mensen die voor afleidingsmanoeuvres zorgen en dat lijkt aardig te lukken.

De politie weet wel zo ongeveer wat er gebeurd is.

Ze moeten het alleen kunnen bewijzen.

ALE heeft (terecht) al veel theorieen afgesloten waarover op veel fora nog steeds vordt gespeculeerd.

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Op zondag 7 december 2008 21:18 schreef bastibro het volgende:
ALE heeft (terecht) al veel theorieen afgesloten waarover op veel fora nog steeds vordt gespeculeerd.

Welke theorieen staan er nu nog open dan? Weet jij dat?

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 00:09 schreef capricia het volgende:

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Welke theorieen staan er nu nog open dan? Weet jij dat?

Was het maar waar, dan wist ik net zoveel als de ALE

Translation Snip of Solo Di Pueblo Article Dec 5th 2008
solodipueblo.com


According to Karam Misier:
In Nov. he will dug up the bones of Nat. Holl.

We are now in dec. and a nation is crying for justice


This former High Commisioner of Police said he can solve this case with "flexie team"
He could not do this to his friend P VDS.
A Dutchman tried to obstruct the investigation that had to take place in the first days
after the fatal event. Due to "friends politic" (do not know transl. for vriendjes politiek)
it took 10 days before the main suspect J VDS was arrested. In Bonaire 2 policeman were fired due to not working on the case Marlies VDKouwe in the first two days.
In AUA there was VDStraten who had failed & dragged AUA in a bad spot with his
incapacity and Karam M said he would come and dug up the bones of the girl NH.
According to KM he knows very well where NH is buried and also in whose house
NH was hiding.
Also KM knows where Nat died and the ones that had mutilated her body so they could
dispose of her body and bury parts of her body.
Likewise this case could also solve the dissapearance of Vicenzo Tromp
According to other version Vicenzo Tromp wanted to talk and he became a threat to "macamba - connection" (macamba= dutch born in the Netherlands) The same with Pit Bull whose case
took a turn around 'cuase he also wanted to talk. The D-conn. in AUA is worse than any other organisation of hitman bifrons in the world. VDStr. & P VDS must talk now. KM is already some days overdue.

From SM:
Hello everyone! I've been a board lurker for over a year now, and I've followed this case from the very beginning. So many of you are SO intelligent, and I can't believe all the information you guys have been able to retrieve over the years. It's amazing that now, after all of these years, so many facts that we've all known all along are just starting to come out now. Absolutely unbelievable and ridiculous.

Anyway, the main reason I began following this story was because I had known Joran, not very well, but we met while I was on vacation in Aruba, October of 04. I was 16 at the time, he claimed to be 18. I had gone with my parents and 2 friends of mine (female friends). Nothing serious went on, we met him by the pool of our hotel (he was with 1 male friend the first time we met them) and after that he kept coming by the hotel for the remainder of our stay there and would hang out with us. The only thing he had really lied about was his age, the rest seemed to be pretty truthful (for example, he did tell us he lived in Aruba, he didn't lie about that). But even then, we did find something a little bit strange about him. We kept referring to him as the weird kid, because of the way he acted. He spent a lot of time talking about alcohol and pot (I live in NY, so for pot to be spoken about so openly was strange). He asked us quite a few times if we wanted to smoke with him, but we told him no, he seemed to respect that.

The day we were leaving, we exchanged screen names to "keep in touch." I was the only one out of my friends who kept in contact with him, but not too often. He was my online "poker buddy." Went on web cam a couple of times. After a while he started trying to talk dirty, but I shot that down real quick. The last time we spoke on the messenger before Natalee's disappearance was April 05.. So you'd imagine my surprise when in May, I heard he was a suspect in her disappearance. It definitely gave me the chills, knowing this was a person I hung out with only 7 months before. I couldn't believe at first that he was responsible, because like I said, besides his constant talk of drugs/alcohol, he wasn't really disrespectful to any of us. He knew we were all too young to go to the clubs/bars so he never really pressed that issue.. Like I said, the only thing he tried to do was get us to smoke pot with him, but we declined every time.

I was shocked to learn that he had lied to us about his age, what was the point? If he was 17 in May 05, that would mean he would of been the same age as us, so why lie? The more and more I heard about the story, the more and more I realized he was guilty. We spoke on messenger one more time after he was named a prime suspect. I had asked him why he lied about his age, he said he was trying to impress us and also that he could get in trouble for drinking underage so he had to lie to everyone he met about his age. I then had asked him if it was true, what he did. He made a strange comment about the truth coming out someday. At the time, I copied the entire conversation and sent it to Dave. I knew it really wouldn't of done much, but I figured that comment he made alone meant something. That was the last conversation I've ever had with Joran.

I feel for Natalee and her family and friends, because it really could of happened to anyone. The jerks who say that she shouldn't of gotten drunk, shouldn't of left the bar with a guy she didn't know, they are ridiculous. I believe Joran did meet Natalee days before Carlos & Charlies, and I believe he probably showed her the same kind of respect he showed me and my friends, and I believe he was as nice to her as he was to us. This probably made her trust him a little bit, especially when youre drunk you will trust anyone whose being nice to you.

Do I believe he had it in him to actually murder her? No.. Not from what I knew of him. Do I believe he put something in her drink and probably raped her? Absolutely.. They were probably smoking pot in Deepaks car also. I believe she died somehow while with him, he called Paulus for help, and the cover up began. As for Deepak and Satish? I'm not so sure.. I really don't believe they are involved all that much. I believe they knew what happened to her, and they should be punished for not coming forward with their information. But I don't believe they were there when she died. Just my opinion though.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, just wanted to share my story and experience with Joran Van Der Sloot.

Keep up the good investigative work, monkeys! =]

Ronnie

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 06:46 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Translation Snip of Solo Di Pueblo Article Dec 5th 2008

According to Karam Misier:
In Nov. he will dug up the bones of Nat. Holl.

In AUA there was VDStraten who had failed & dragged AUA in a bad spot with his incapacity and Karam M said he would come and dug up the bones of the girl NH. According to KM he knows very well where NH is buried and also in whose house NH was hiding.

Also KM knows where Nat died and the ones that had mutilated her body so they could dispose of her body and bury parts of her body.

Likewise this case could also solve the dissapearance of Vicenzo Tromp.
According to other version Vicenzo Tromp wanted to talk and he became a threat to "macamba - connection" (macamba= dutch born in the Netherlands) The same with Pit Bull whose case took a turn around 'cuase he also wanted to talk. The D-conn.

Interesting post.

1) Who exactly is that Karam Misier?

2) HIDING ????

3) What happened to Tromp??!! I don't know anything about that.

So maybe the real truth will come out now, eventually.

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http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?t=610849
Sounds familiar?

"I am writing this letter to put an end to all of the speculation of what happened to Natalee Holloway. My name is Kelly Castillo. This letter is from myself and Daniel Young...( )...
Everything that I am about to tell you has been told face to face to: The Aruba Police, State Prosecutor Karin Janssen, and many reporters from the newspaper, Aruba Today.

We got validation on every name that we gave of the people that Natalee was last with....( )...

Natalee called her mother before she was due to leave the island saying that she was not going to be coming back home to Alabama. The story of Natalee missing her flight and Beth coming to Aruba is false. Natalee called Beth from her cell phone while Beth was already in route on a private plane telling her mother not to come to Aruba because Natalee would not be coming home....( )...

Joran Van Der sloot was not the last person with Natalee....( )... He dropped her off at the fisherman's hut like he said, and afterwards she was befriended by a guy named Marlon. He crossed our path while we were in Aruba the first time and when we told Beth that we are able to ID the guy that was with Natalee after Joran dropped her off, she said, "I don't care who was with my daughter last!". We have that conversation tape recorded and it has been played to Karin Janssen, who was blown away by that comment....( )...

There is also a tape of Natalee and a guy named Michael at the Windam Hotel buying a necklace and having an argument day's, maybe weeks, after she had allegedly gone missing...( )... The guy named Michael on the video tape, was a bouncer and Carlos and Charlies. He was tortured, murdered, and his body burnt the week of April 3rd while we were in Aruba. That story did not come to America either. We also know that Natalee called Beth about fifteen day's after her being "missing" from Michael's cell phone telling Beth again to go home, and that Natalee was not going with her.

We gave the names of many people that Natalee hung out with and partied with during her last weeks alive , we also told them of a guy named scooby that if they would bring in would talk and all names were validated by everyone that we talked to. .We took the police right to the spot where her body was at the other end of the island and Dennis Jacobs was going to send a team out the following morning with dogs? No one killed her. She died of an over dose and we know the house that she was in when she died and also, that she was buried and reburied.(does a CBS 48 hour story sound a little similar?) There are many people who were with her and saw her on the island. No one has come forward because of the fear of the drug issue. It is so much easier to let Joran take the blame, since people saw her leave with him and the other boys."

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I absolutely DON't say those Young & Castillo characters are right.
I DO say, however, that EVERY piece of information given by witnesses or other persons who claim to have information, should at least have been researched (followed up).
That's the procedure in Holland, at least.

Hasn't anyone at least did a CHECK-ip on those Marlon and Michael dudes?

And why not? Too scared of the drug mafia, maybe?
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http://www.prikpagina.nl/read.php?f=18&i=203691&t=203691
Dompig claimed that he had never spoken to the 2 "private investigators". He claimed that "the police got so much information, that he wouldn't consider checking the information given by Castillo & Young."

When he looked back at the case, Dompig said that he regret that "they (Y&C, red.) made their entrance at the wrong way. "The story about the sexual abuse explains Jug's behavior. He was highly agressive and threatened me and other police officers."

Also, the police had information regarding the troubled / disturbed relationship of Natalee and her mother.

In Dutch:
Nu hij terugkijkt, zegt Dompig, vindt hij het jammer dat ‘de lui toen op een verkeerde manier hun entree hebben gemaakt’. “Het verhaal over het seksueel misbruik verklaart in ieder geval het gedrag van Jug. Hij was zeer agressief en bedreigde mij en andere agenten.”

Ook had de politie indicaties, zoals de eerste poster die Beth verspreidde en uit verhalen van haar vriendinnen, dat de relatie tussen moeder en dochter verstoord was, zegt Dompig.

Of de twee integer zijn, durft Dompig niet te zeggen, maar hij weet wel van zijn oud FBI-contact dat Castillo en Young nooit zaken hebben gehad die serieus te noemen zijn. “Iedereen kan zich privé-detective in Amerika noemen en wat ik van ze weet, is dat ze niet veel voorstellen en waarschijnlijk op zoek zijn naar hun 15 minutes of fame.”

Still, according to Dompig, Young & Castillo could as well have come to know something about the case. "You never know. Besides, they say that fools and children always tell the truth."

Toch kunnen ze volgens Dompig wel wat te weten zijn gekomen. “Je weet nooit. Bovendien van gekken en kleine kinderen zegt men dat ze de waarheid spreken.”

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So, who the fuck are MARLON and MICHAEL?
Is Michael one of the (at least) 3 persons who are killed after the Natalee-disaster?

Who the fuck is Scooby?

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Just my guess:

We are getting to know the REAL truth bit by bit.

These leads sound much more valuable than those "gang-bang raped and murdered"-kind of talk.

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 06:46 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Translation Snip of Solo Di Pueblo Article Dec 5th 2008
solodipueblo.com

Karam M said he would come and dug up the bones of the girl NH. According to KM he knows very well where NH is buried and also in whose house NH was hiding.

So now, suddenly, the gang-bang-GHB-drugged-raped-and-murdered story isn't true anymore?

Hmm, sounds too weird I.M.O.

bolsena: Just my guess:

We are getting to know the REAL truth bit by bit.
So maybe the real truth will come out now, eventually.

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Amazingly I believe you are correct in your statement above. Although Natalee was most definetly not hiding,they were hiding her before she was dismembered. I am very curious who this Macamba is and these Dutch Assasins. This is the whole article(Bad Translation)
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Translation:
according karam misier: at november the will come saca
the wesonan of natalee holloway we owing to enter
december and have one people is cry for is Justice

sta. cross - true sir van der straten, former high
Comisario of police earlier owing to declare: "ik zal
deze Zaak eventjes oplossen met for flexie team" and
"dit kan ik mijn vriend paul van der SLOOT niet
aandoen." one person dutch owing to try one torpedo
Research ass did have to take place the first dianan
success of the fateful here. but is Motib of
'vriendjes-politiek' owing to last 10 cu first day
owing to halt the principal sospechoso, Jorane van der
SLOOT. Bonaire at two head of police owing to Cay at
instant ass they not meet owing to the case of
marilies van der kouwe the first two dianan. at aruba
was here we have one such van der straten, owing to
bottom fails, owing to torpedo and owing to hinca
aruba bad bad in one spot, is owing to his
incompetence and purpose.

jose owing to tell Misi november at the bottom will
come pulls the wesonan of the child muher Natalee
Holloway. according to Karam the know where nh is good
and bury the know also at home of that natalee was
located. also the know where el'a die and kendenan
owing to mutilate his curpa is so deshaci of the curpa
and bury partinan of his curpa. also the same case
here will resolve thirteen one cu the disappearance of
the young vicencio Tromp. according another version,
vicencio tromp owing wanted to talk and owing to
become one menaza for her 'macamba conneciont. " the
same case of Pitbull who was also owing to achieve one
because the return owing also wanted to talk. the
'dutch conection at aruba is worse ass cualkier
ORGANIZACION of hitman at hitman world. ex –comisario
van der straten together cu his amigo paul van der
sloot have cu bay talk at instant cu saca the body of
natalee. karam misier already is one paar of day
overdue.

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 10:03 schreef bolsena het volgende:

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So now, suddenly, the gang-bang-GHB-drugged-raped-and-murdered story isn't true anymore?

Hmm, sounds too weird I.M.O.

Who said that?

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 10:13 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Who said that?

Said what?

That J drugged-raped-and-killed N?

Just too many people to even mention.
Beth, for instance.

Or that the beforementioned story isn't true?

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For now, I have to go. Have an appointment, have to catch a train.
I'll read more of it when I get back, later in the midday.

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 10:22 schreef bolsena het volgende:

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Said what?

That J drugged-raped-and-killed N?

Just too many people to even mention.

Beth, for instance.

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For now, I have to go. Have an appointment, have to catch a train.
I'll read more of it when I get back, later in the midday.

So now, suddenly, the gang-bang-GHB-drugged-raped-and-murdered story isn't true anymore?

Hmm, sounds too weird I.M.O.
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But who is saying it isnt true anymore?

Karam Misier

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about2200-0.html

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 10:13 schreef observer777 het volgende:
Who said that?

That the druggedgangbangrapedandmurdered-story isn't true anymore?

OK, I thought I could deduce / interpret it after reading the Misier-post:

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 10:13 schreef observer777 het volgende:
According to KM he knows very well where NH is buried and also in whose house NH was hiding. Also KM knows where Nat died and the ones that had mutilated her body so they could dispose of her body and bury parts of her body.

Likewise this case could also solve the dissapearance of Vicenzo Tromp According to other version Vicenzo Tromp wanted to talk and he became a threat to "macamba - connection" (macamba= dutch born in the Netherlands) The same with Pit Bull whose case took a turn around 'cuase he also wanted to talk. The D-conn. in AUA is worse than any other organisation of hitman bifrons in the world.

Because this post states that:
-Natalee was Hiding; and not that she was kidnapped;
-Natalee Died; and not that she was murdered;
-Vincenzo Tromp and PitBull maye be involved - two friends/members/enemies of the "(white?) drug mafia?

Ah well - because of these given sentences I thought I was able to conclude that something else was going on with Natalee's disappearance, rather than the Joran-on-the-beachstory. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong.

What IF Natalee really wanted to run away from home and/or stay in Aruba?
What IF Natalee was actually left alone at the beach by Joran and after that, befriended a person who introduced her to some persons who then later turned out to be the most maffiaesque persons on the island? (in line with K&C)
What IF Natalee died because of an overdose, weeks after the "disappearance"?
What IF Joran felt that he should not tell the truth, because he was afraid that people would strongly condemn his behavior (leaving a drunk girl on her own at the beach i/t/ middle o/t/ night)?
And what if Paul and others wanted to cover up Joran's "involvement"?
Let's take it a bit further: what if Joran was actually threatened by these "macamba members", who told him that it was better not to tell the real truth? (if Joran found out Natalee's whereabouts, that is)

Anyway - enough yet to be discovered.

But untill someone steps up and claims that he or she has evidence of Joran's involvement and/or Joran's drug-induced rape-night, nobody can say that J is guilty of anything.

NOTES:
1) I strongly feel that we (ehm, well, the persons doing the investigation, that is) are heading into the right directions now;
2) For weeks now, I believed that other persons were involved in this case as well and that Joran and Kalpoe may be involved, but not as much as everybody seemed to think for the last 3,5 years;
I think J and the Kalpoe's are at least guilty of "not telling the truth", therefore of "obstruction of police investigation".
But further? No evidence at all. We'll have to wait and find out.
3) I also strongly feel that Beth knew what actually happened to Natalee after the "fatal night" with J.
Why did nobody do any research on her cellphone, for God's sake?
4) I feel that Pitbull is indeed involved somehow. As well as Lorenzo van Rijn.

I hope the truth will come to us soon - just too many American, Dutch and Aruban lives have been ruined because of this awful affair.

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 10:13 schreef observer777 het volgende:
In Bonaire 2 policeman were fired due to not working on the case Marlies VDKouwe in the first two days.

This is the way they should handle things like that.

If Aruba doesn't solve this case within 6 months or so, we might as well give the goddamn island to Chavez.
He knows how to handle things.

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door bolsena op 08-12-2008 21:23:03 ]

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[3) I also strongly feel that Beth knew what actually happened to Natalee after the "fatal night" with J.
Why did nobody do any research on her cellphone, for God's sake?

Waarom deed niemand onderzoek naar de mobiele telefoon van Jorans vader en die van Jorans moeder die ze had achtergelaten tijdens haar trip en waarmee veel telefoontjes zijn gepleegd?

Wat als Deepak en Satish vanaf 11 juni wel de waarheid hebben gesproken?
De verhalen zijn toch consistent vanaf dat moment?
Waarom is het zo noodzakelijk dat Deepak en Satish erin worden betrokken?
Het is toch bewezen dat ze direkt naar huis zijn gereden?
Die jongens hebben toch geen tijd gehad voor een verkrachting?

Of kloppen de computergevens niet.

Bolsena..You are starting to amaze me with your posts! Obviously I do not agree with you about NH and her mom. But I agree with the below.

1) I strongly feel that we (ehm, well, the persons doing the investigation, that is) are heading into the right directions now;

2) For weeks now, I believed that other persons were involved in this case as well and that Joran and Kalpoe may be involved, mut not as much as anybody seemed to think for the last 3,5 years;

4) I feel that Pitbull is indeed involved somehow. As well as Lorenzo van Rijn.
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Op maandag 8 december 2008 10:13 schreef observer777 het volgende:
In Bonaire 2 policeman were fired due to not working on the case Marlies VDKouwe in the first two days.

This is the way they should handle things like that.

If Aruba doesn't solve this case within 6 months or so, we might as well give the goddamn island to Chavez.
He knows how to handle things.

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 18:12 schreef bastibro het volgende:
Karam Misier

Interview with Surinamese Yoga Grand Master in Curacao
Yoga Grand Master?!

Hmm, ah, well- it's like what Dompig said, I guess:
"You never know. Besides, they say fools and children always tell the truth."
“Je weet nooit. Bovendien van gekken en kleine kinderen zegt men dat ze de waarheid spreken.”


http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about2200-0.html

This Yoga Grand Master said that:
* Natalee was dead.
* And he was sure that after 1 year still no one will find her.
* She is not under sand
* The murderer is a white American but aided by a black (native) Aruban. [Zwarte Arubaan]
* They weren't planning to kill her, but during the rape something went wrong.
* They hit her with a stone in the head
* There are two other witnesses who take pills everyday.
* The mother (BHT) knows more that she is saying.
* He spoke to NH and other indians (spirits) who begged him to help the girl (NH) to the other world.
* He won't say anything else, he will leave it to the witnesses and the mother
* He don't trust the local authorities, he trust the dutch marines
* He knows where the body is

-White American, black Aruban?
-A rape in which "something went wrong".
This sentence / phrase beats the Hell out of me. I've never heard of a successfull rape.
-Trust the Dutch marines?
Good for him - sadly enough, the Dutch marine has no legal authority whatsoever on that island.

-Two other witnesses who take pills everyday?

Ah well, guess that rules out Lorenzo and Pitbull, eh?!

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 20:01 schreef yyentle het volgende:
Waarom deed niemand onderzoek naar de mobiele telefoon van Jorans vader en die van Jorans moeder?

Klopt, had ook moeten gebeuren.
(True, that should also have happened.)

EVERYpeace of evidence should have been investigated, whether it be cellphones, posters or whatever.
And every person should have been investigated and interrogated.

So, for me it's only fair to say that also the "American" side of the story should have been investigated more.

[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door bolsena op 08-12-2008 21:24:59 ]

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 20:01 schreef yyentle het volgende:
Wat als Deepak en Satish vanaf 11 juni wel de waarheid hebben gesproken?
De verhalen zijn toch consistent vanaf dat moment?
Waarom is het zo noodzakelijk dat Deepak en Satish erin worden betrokken?
Het is toch bewezen dat ze direkt naar huis zijn gereden?
Die jongens hebben toch geen tijd gehad voor een verkrachting?

Of kloppen de computergevens niet.

Waarom vraag je dit (aan mij)?

Heb ik ooit gezegd dat ik denk dat de Kalpoe's schuldig zijn?

Dacht het niet hoor.
En ik denk ook niet dat de K's schuldig zijn aan moord, verkrachting of wat dan ook.

Speaking of cellphones..How about Sander Gottenbo's phone that he said was stolen the day NH dissapeared.. Or the phone that was found last year by the lighthouse that belonged to Paul Van Der Sloot.

June 16 2005 PROCESS - VERBAL-Sander Gottenbos
On your question if a telephone number, I will explain to you the following: I have no mobile telephone, it was stolen on Monday, May 30, 2005. The number is xxxxxxx.

On your question if I have filed a report on this, I will explain to you the following: I did not file a report.

On your question why I didn’t file a report, I will explain to you the following: I have not yet been to SETAR to buy. New I must buy if I want to preserve my old number.

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 20:42 schreef observer777 het volgende:
June 16 2005 PROCESS - VERBAL-Sander Gottenbos:
"I have no mobile telephone, it was stolen on Monday, May 30, 2005."

Weird.

Maybe he lend it to Joran, Paul or Natalee.

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So, for me it's only fair to say that also the "American" side of the story should have been investigated more.

Het is logisch dat ze eerst onderzoek doen naar degene die het laatst met Natalee is gezien.
Dat is Joran. Jorans vader liegt over zijn tijdstip van vertrek uit het casino. De politie heeft aanwijzingen dat Jorans vader op de dag van haar verdwijning twee keer contact met haar heeft gehad.
Bovendien mocht er in de woning van VanderSloot zelf geen onderzoek worden gedaan.
En zo zijn er wel meer dingen. Dat hoort onderzocht te worden, niet andersom: dat is niet logisch.

Het is een beetje doorzichtig dat de mensen die Natalee (die 18 jaar oud was en dus geen enkele reden had om weg te lopen en al haar spullen in haar hotel had achtergelaten) proberen zwart te maken allemaal kennissen van VanderSloot zijn: Renfro, Gielen en Brennan.

Hoe zit het eigenlijk met Shango en Simian?

Komen die raadseltjes uit dezelfde hoek?

Die halve getuigenverklaring over een Natalee die coke gebruikte, was alweer, een vriend van Joran.

Dus, lijkt me wel duidelijk toch?

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 20:52 schreef yyentle het volgende: Het is logisch dat ze eerst onderzoek doen naar degene die het laatst met Natalee is gezien.
Dat is Joran.

Klopt, dat is het eerste wat ze moeten doen.
Het tweede echter, is een volledig familieonderzoek.

Standaard in elk zich zelf respecterend politieonderzoek in zowel de US als hier in Nederland.

Echt waar - I shit you not.

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 20:52 schreef yyentle het volgende:
die 18 jaar oud was en dus geen enkele reden had om weg te lopen

Je bedoelt dat ze volwassen was en gewoon mocht gaan als ze wou?

Tja, op papier wel ja. In de praktijk werkt het niet in elk gezin zo vrees ik.
Je bent nooit veeleisende, overstrenge ouders tegengekomen die eerder kleinerend dan stimulerend zijn, zeker?

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Op maandag 8 december 2008 20:52 schreef yyentle het volgende: Dus, lijkt me wel duidelijk toch?

Wát is je nou precies duidelijk?

Die raadsels van shango en shimian ken ik nog niet. Is het erg interessant of kan ik het voor het gemak maar skippen?
Ik moet nog wat filmpjes kijken vanavond, dus...

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Wát is je nou precies duidelijk?

Die raadsels van shango en shimian ken ik nog niet. Is het erg interessant of kan ik het voor het gemak maar skippen?
Ik moet nog wat filmpjes kijken vanavond, dus...

Het is duidelijk dat de geruchten al in een vroeg stadium zijn begonnen en afkomstig zijn van de "kennissen" van VanderSloot.
Kun je ook aan "Deepak's email" zien. Daar staan dingen in, die alleen VanderSloot in dat stadium wist en de geruchten waar "Deepak" het in die mail over heeft en waar hij het in zijn verklaringen nooit over heeft, worden ook weer verspreid door, ja je raadt het al, Renfro en Gielen.

Shango en Simian?
Allemaal raadseltjes. Leuk voor mensen die er van houden geheimtaal te ontcijferen: maar de uitleg is ook wel te vinden hoor! Shango en Simian zijn slim genoeg om de uitleg ook verborgen te geven.
Het is natuurlijk wel de bedoeling dat men op het verkeerde been wordt gezet.