Herinvoering doodstraf in Nederland

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:09 schreef Iblis het volgende:
Als eerste (i.v.m. de recidive bewering):
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Bron

Verder is sinds 2006 de maximale tijdelijke gevangenis in Nederland 30 jaar, niet 20.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:11 schreef Halcon het volgende:

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Uit dat stukje blijkt totaal niet waarom ze onschuldig zouden zijn. Het is gewoon gelul dus.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:08 schreef MaGNeT het volgende:

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Dat is geen betrouwbare bron.
Betrouwbare bronnen melden alleen maar wat Halcon wil horen.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:09 schreef Halcon het volgende:

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Alweer zo´n fijne inhoudelijke reactie.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:13 schreef Halcon het volgende:

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Kom je weer met een argumentum ad hominem. Volgens mij ben jij degene die het idee van een forum niet beweert.

Ik poneer een stelling en daar kan op gereageerd worden.

Kijk gewoon eens naar die link. Als je iets wilt zien kun je het ook gewoon opzoeken, ik ben je slaafje niet.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:13 schreef Halcon het volgende:

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Kom je weer met een argumentum ad hominem. Volgens mij ben jij degene die het idee van een forum niet beweert.

Ik poneer een stelling en daar kan op gereageerd worden.

Kijk gewoon eens naar die link. Als je iets wilt zien kun je het ook gewoon opzoeken, ik ben je slaafje niet.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:13 schreef Halcon het volgende:

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Jij komt alleen maar met persoonlijke aanvallen. Je bent dom, maar gelukkig wel erg stoer.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:14 schreef NJ het volgende:

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Het wordt alleen een probleem als jij komt met absurde feiten die ondersteund worden door bronnen die je niet wil geven. Dan krijg je een ja / nee wedstrijd waarin de ene zijde moeite steekt en de andere niet.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:14 schreef Halcon het volgende:

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Als je die lui dan economisch productief zijn en de gemiddelde levensverwachting niet al te hoog is, is dat best een redelijk alternatief.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:15 schreef Halcon het volgende:

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Ga anders met je Volvo-dagboek spelen i.p.v. dit topic te verzieken.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 22:50 schreef NJ het volgende:

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En die worden ook opgeruimd. Voor de rest van hun leven.
Het enige verschil is tijd en het feit of je wel wil dat de staat mensen dood.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:13 schreef Halcon het volgende:

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Kom je weer met een argumentum ad hominem. Volgens mij ben jij degene die het idee van een forum niet beweert.

Ik poneer een stelling en daar kan op gereageerd worden.

Kijk gewoon eens naar die link. Als je iets wilt zien kun je het ook gewoon opzoeken, ik ben je slaafje niet.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:07 schreef LuxXxie het volgende:

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Oh, je wilt namen? Nou hier heb je alvast 16: The executed men identified as innocent are Brian K. Baldwin, Cornelius Singleton and Freddie Lee Wright of Alabama; Thomas M. Thompson of California; James Adams, Willie Darden and Jesse Tafero of Florida; Girvies Davis of Illinois; Griffin and Roy Roberts of Missouri; Odell Barnes, Robert N. Drew, Gary Graham, Richard W. Jones and Frank B. McFarland of Texas; and Roger K. Coleman of Virginia.

bron: www.truthinjustice.org/prob-innocent.htm

Verschillende bronnen geven aan dat jou getal van 10 makkelijk wordt gehaald.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:17 schreef Halcon het volgende:

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Dat is wel een aanval, aangezien er geen enkele onderbouwing is maar je gewoon maar wat roept.

De doodstraf voor notoire overvallers is niets mis mee. Iemand die 10x een bank overvalt richt behoorlijk wat schade aan. Zowel financieel als bij de bankmedewerkers. Zo iemand is een gevaar voor de maatschappij en mag best opgeknoopt worden of een spuitje krijgen.

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Shout the names of wrongly executed
By THEODORE M. SHAW
First published: Wednesday, July 5, 2006

Late last month, the Supreme Court upheld the death penalty in
Kansas by a vote of 5 to 4 in the case of Kansas vs. Marsh. In
concurring with the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote that the
decision was justified because, in recent American history, there
has not been "a single case -- not one -- in which it is clear that
a person was executed for a crime he did not commit. If such an
event had occurred in recent years, we would not have to hunt for
it; the innocent's name would be shouted from the rooftops."

Unfortunately, Scalia is wrong. Public concern about wrongful
convictions has been growing since DNA evidence started exonerating
death row inmates in recent years -- a fact most exemplified by the
decision of then-Illinois Gov. George Ryan to declare a moratorium
on executions in 2000. Over the past few years, major media outlets
and the Legal Defense Fund, which I lead, have investigated several
questionable executions, re-examining forensic evidence and
reinterviewing witnesses. In at least four of the cases, it is now
clear that the individuals executed almost certainly did not commit
the crimes for which they were convicted.

Although none has been officially exonerated, the evidence that has
come to light since they were put to death points overwhelmingly to
their innocence, and two of these cases are being reinvestigated.
The names of the executed may not have been "shouted from the
rooftops," but the turn in their cases has been reported by major
newspapers and television networks.

Cameron Willingham, a 36-year-old white father of three from
Corsicana, Texas, was executed in February 2004 for murder by arson.
In December 2004, the Chicago Tribune reported that new scientific
knowledge proves that the testimony by arson experts at Willingham's
trial was worthless, and that there is no evidence that the fire was
caused by arson. A panel of the nation's leading arson experts
confirmed that conclusion in March. In a strikingly similar case,
Ernest Willis, a white oil-field worker from New Mexico, was
convicted on the same sort of evidence and sentenced to death for
murder by arson in Pecos County, Texas, in 1987. Willis was
exonerated and freed in October 2004, eight months after Willingham
was put to death.

Ruben Cantu, a 26-year-old Hispanic man from San Antonio, was
executed in August 1993 for a robbery-murder committed in 1985 when
he was 17. The Houston Chronicle followed up on our initial
exploration and published the results of its own investigation last
November. The newspaper reported that another defendant, who pleaded
guilty to participating in the crime but did not testify at Cantu's
trial, has signed an affidavit swearing that Cantu was not with him
that night and had no role in the murder. More important, the only
witness who did testify -- a second victim, who was shot nine times
but survived -- now says that police pressured him to identify Cantu
as the shooter, and that he did so even though Cantu was innocent.

Larry Griffin, a 40-year-old black man from St. Louis, was executed
in Missouri in June 1995 for the drive-by shooting of a drug dealer
in 1980. The only evidence against him was a witness who claimed to
have seen Griffin at the crime scene. This witness was a white
career criminal with several felony charges pending against him. In
July 2005, our investigation revealed that the first police officer
on the scene and the victim's sister both agreed that this supposed
witness -- who would have stood out in the all-black neighborhood --
wasn't there when the shooting occurred. In addition, there was a
second victim who was injured in the shooting. He knew Griffin and
says that Griffin was not in the car from which the shots were
fired, but he was not called to testify at Griffin's trial.

Also last month, the Chicago Tribune (following up on initial
inquiries by the Legal Defense Fund) published a detailed re-
examination of yet another case, that of Carlos DeLuna, a young
Hispanic man from Corpus Christi, Texas, who was executed in
December 1989 for stabbing a convenience store clerk to death in
1983. DeLuna, who was convicted on the basis of a quick on-the-scene
witness identification, claimed that the killer was a man named
Carlos Hernandez.

The prosecution argued that Hernandez was a "phantom." The Tribune
found that Hernandez (who died in prison in 1999) was not only no
phantom, but also no stranger to law enforcement. In fact, one of
DeLuna's prosecutors knew Hernandez well from an earlier homicide
investigation. Hernandez and DeLuna were strikingly similar in
appearance but, unlike DeLuna, Hernandez had a long history of knife
attacks similar to the convenience store killing and repeatedly told
friends and relatives that he had committed the murder for which
DeLuna was executed.

The court's review of Kansas' death penalty statute seemed to stir
more emotion than almost any other case the justices considered this
term. In his dissent, Justice David Souter called the Kansas
law "morally absurd," especially in light of DNA exonerations.
Souter's words prompted Scalia's response, but Scalia and those who
joined him in upholding the death penalty would do well to consider
the cases of Cameron Willingham, Ruben Cantu, Larry Griffin or
Carlos DeLuna.

It's too late to save those men -- or the victims of other erroneous
executions that have not yet come to light. But it's time to
recognize that, regardless of our views on the death penalty, any
future debates must proceed with the knowledge that we have put
innocent people to death.

Theodore M. Shaw is president and director-counsel of the Legal
Defense Fund. He wrote this article for The Washington Post.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 23:19 schreef FritsVanEgters het volgende:
Stormlooptopic

Maar waar zijn je medestanders Halcon?