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OK, Observer now thinks that Natalee died accidentally at the beach after a fall and that Joran tries to cover that up.
Am I right?
Or does he think that Paulus said that to his good friends only to hide the real truth? don't know what O means here.
But THEN the same Observer states:
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So NOW that same Observer tells us that Joran
murdered and raped Natalee.
What the fuck should I think of Observer now?
What do you really believe, Observer? Which one of the above is the real you?
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PS, the accidental death story seems at least plausible to me. According to Natalee's friend Lee Broughton, Natalee was already heavily drinking in the early morning hours of that fatal sunday, 29th of may.
http://scrux.com/natalee/studentquotes.htm (far below at this page)
Parts of FBI Transcripts
Here are screen captures from Fox News which showing portions alleged to be the FBI transcripts of the interrogations of two girls - Katherine Madison Whatley and Lee Broughton.
Lee Broughton Broughton and Holloway were assigned the same hotel room at the Holiday Inn.
The daily routine for Broughton and Holloway was to get an alcohol drink and go to the ocean around 10:00 AM in the morning. At around 5:00 PM they would return to thier room for naps. At 6:00PM Broughton and Holloway would get ready to go out to get dinner. After dinner Broughton and Holloway would go outto Bars.
Saturday, May 28, 2005, Holloway became very intoxicated and eventually had to be escorted back to her room by (Kevin Broday?).
During the morning hours on Sunday, May 29, 2005 Holloway started drinking mixed drinks called " Red Fires" The drinks contain Bicardi 151 and Diet Coke. Holloway became intoxicated and her friends told her to slow down. Holloway and Broughton continued to drink throughout the day....
Also
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=810.0http://www.hollowaycase.com/ go to Reference -> FBI 302 Forms -> Broughton 6/3/05
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IF Natalee REALLY died by accident, it's just her OWN fault. I'm really sorry to say it.
You're the most stupiest person on earth if you want to go swimming after drinking so heavily as she did and after also using drugs (according the statements above).
Your wrong as usual..That was Paul Van Der Sloot who was telling people that Natalee died accidently in the very beginning. I have never ever thought that. Yes it was a cover because he knows it was no accident and she was drugged,raped and murdered. Its why they had to make sure no one ever found her body, If it was a accident this case would have been over the first week and they would have left her at the beach or got her medical attention. But they couldn't because JK2 drugged her..She was raped and then MURDERED.
Where is there any evidence that Natalee went swimming after Carlos and Charlies? The evidence would have shown she was taken back to the Van Der Sloot home..But Paul Van Der Sloots friends and associates made sure the house was never searched and they are caught red handing lying about that. Its mind boggling that Murder and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there house searched. It is also no coicidence that Aruba's Date Rape Drug Expert is the corrupt cop Dennis Jacobs who was the lead investigator in this case.
Show me one credible person who says that Natalee did any drugs at any time in her life! Buuti Naar is a proven liar who is back in prison in Aruba for drug trafficking. He is the same liar who implicated two innocent security guards who they tried to frame for Natalee's murder. He is also Gerald Dompigs Brother In Law.The other statement comes from a friend of Jorans,who they didnt even provide a name saying Natalee had cocaine. Then we have the Taxi driver who says she overheard that Natalee was a drug addict and was in rehab before she came to Aruba. All lies.
The real witnesses and all the evidence show that it is Joran who is the Drug addict,had a history of drugging young girls and that Natalee was drugged that night probably by the date rape drug GHB. It was Deepak and Satish who escorted Natalee to the car because she was drugged out of her mind by the drug put into her drink...Here is just a small part of the research that shows Natalee was most likely drugged by the suspects.
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Now we a number of listens to conversations again, we - in combination with the new research data - let us see really new suspicions oprijzen.
"Politie and justice goes there from that Joran and is friends Deepak and Satish K. had thought more earlier sex with little girls after they had doped them according to the Dutch Public Prosecution Service depend it of the declarations of Joran and the brothers K. the coming days or they are brought for the judge.
http://www.crimesite.nl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5531---------------------------------------------------------------
The preliminary investigation also showed that Joran van der Sloot previously abused girls against their will. "We came into contact with an ex-girlfriend that a therapist had opgebiecht that she was raped by Joran. Naturally, we tried to let her return, but unfortunately they wanted. She was still in love with Joran," said the detective.
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Corruption in Paradise p. 73 - 74:"The next night, many of the Mountain Brook students gathered at Carlos' n Charlie's. The threee boys were also there. The acquaintance hung out with the other Mountain Brook students, including Natalee, and they were all drinking a lot. He said that Natalee appeared to be attracted to Joran,
but it was Deepak who showed an interest in Natalee. Everyone was dancing during the night and, at one point, Natalee got up on the bar and danced. The acquaintance followed, then others joined them. When the bar was closing, the acquaintance went out front to catch a cab with some people he had met from another high school.
He said that he noticed that he and Natalee were the last two Mountain Brook students to leave the bar. He had been outside with his three new friends when he saw Natalee exit the bar by herself. She told him she was looking for someone. He knew from hanging out with her in the bar that she had been drinking, but she was walking without assistance and talking coherently. He offered to have her join him and his friends for the cab ride back to the hotel, but she said no.
Instead, she reentered the bar. After about fifteen or twenty minutes, the boy again saw Natalee emerge from Carlos'n Charlie's, but now she was stumbling and needed Deepak's assistance to walk. They walked away, and the acquaintance never saw him again.
I spoke to a police investigator on one of my trips back to Aruba over the months following Natalee's disappearance, and he told me that, based on the way her acquaintance described her, the drug GHB was probably administered to her. If someone is affected by GHB, the people they are with gain complete control over them. Taking the drug is like flipping a light switch. The person who slips the girl the drug has the control. Then the next day, the girl has no recollection of the events."
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Aug. 1, 2005 Jossy on OReilly
Bekijk deze YouTube-videoKnown to have problems with anger and anger management..Flies off the bat most often..At school he had problems,Problems where he goes to drink..He goes to conquer these tourist girls..etc..
Jossy confirms rumors about Joran dropping drugs into girls drinks or having someone else do it..Kids from Joran's school at the ISA have informed him that Joran has bragged about it..Paul VDS was very permissive with him..Let him get away with everything..Father was been seen with him gambling in the Casino and letting him drink.
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Two Observations Thursday, June 23, 2005
Snip from RWV Archive
The second observation will sound like gossip, which basically, it is - please take that into account. If it didn't come through an extremely reliable source on the island, I would not mention it at all.
In talking with an adult professional from Aruba who knew Joran, the individual stated that Joran often bragged to him of his many "sexual conquests" resulting from the use of an illicit substance slipped into a woman's drink and the Aruban individual suggested Joran was a "psychopath."http://www.riehlworldview(...)two_observation.html--------------------------------------
Natalee Holloway Left Carlos And Charlies With Deepak
Monday, July 18, 2005
New information has emerged suggesting that one of the mainstays in the Natalee Holloway mystery, that she left the club in a grey car with Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, may be incorrect.
It appears she may have left the front of the club on foot with Deepak Kalpoe.
Beginning with an Internet message referenced here:
When we saw her leave she left by herself. No one was with her but we did notice some local guys talking to her while she was in there.
Now, another source from Mountain Brook has come forward and offered an eyewitness account more in line with the Internet message which suggests Natalee Holloway did, at least once, walk out of Carlos and Charlies alone.
A witness outside of Carlos and Charlies that night states that Natalee Holloway came out of the club alone and appeared to be looking for someone. She stood in front of the night club for a short time and did present the appearance of someone who had been drinking, though she was certainly standing and in complete control. The words used to describe her appearance were "a little tipsy."
While an earlier report of a confrontation between Joran Van der Sloot and a male graduate from Mountain Brook may be true, I have not been able to independently confirm that story. I have been able to confirm a skirmish the previous night between Deepak Kalpoe and a student from Mountain Brook. It was presented more as a minor conflict soon forgotten and easily broken up by a friend other than a Mr. Reynolds, who has claimed to break up a fight between Joran Van der Sloot and a Mountain Brook student.
As to what became of Natalee Holloway, one witness insists that after standing in front of Carlos and Charlies alone and looking about for a short time - she actually re-entered the night club for a brief period. She then emerged not with Joran Van der Sloot, but with Deepak Kalpoe, who is said to have had her by the arm in a manner suggesting he was helping her to maintain her balance.
The two are reported to have walked off down the street, turning the corner - possibly into a small alley, or a side street.
One possibility is that Natalee was actually looking for Joran Van der Sloot and relying upon Deepak Kalpoe to take her to him. That opinion is speculation and unconfirmed.
Update: This shouldn't be interpreted to mean that the three suspects and Natalee Holloway didn't eventually get in a car together. It is simply another thread in the story. It is quite possible that the four came back to the front of C&C. But this is a solid report, as solid as anything else. More so in some ways to me as I have spoken to the source for an extended period of time. The version has not changed and is, as stated, an eyewitness account from a verified source. 130 anyone's can see 130 things and many may fit into a timeline which makes none of them wrong. I am only reporting what I have verified through sources and what I have not.
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Natalee Holloway Left Carlos And Charlies With Deepak
Sunday, July 31, 2005
In what was a controversial story at the time, I reported that Natalee Holloway left Carlos and Charlies with Deepak Kalpoe and not Joran Va der Sloot. In addition to sources used for that first report, I have now confirmed through another independent witness that the report was in fact accurate.
In attempts to re-construct the time-line for the night of Natalee Holloway's disappearance, it now seems that she did leave first with Joran Van der Sloot - but the two did not walk off together immediately.
At some point after most of Natalee's friends drifted away, Joran v d Sloot and Satish Kalpoe are thought to have left the front of the club, perhaps to return to Deepak's car.
Natalee then went back inside the club very briefly before emerging with the elder Kalpoe brother, who, as previously reported, was said to have been holding her by the arm. That has been described as non-romantic in nature and more consistent with an effort to assist one as they walk. At some point during that time period an unidentified Mountain Brook student is reported to have asked her if she was "Okay." It's believed she responded that she was.
The two are said to have been observed walking up the street from C and C some 80 to 100 yards, passing by the other nightclubs on the street until at or through a nearby intersection. At some point time after they disappeared from view, the three boys and Natalee Holloway are reported to have come back through the area, all seated in the car of Deepak Kalpoe. The car containing Natalee Holloway is said to have been observed by another Mountain Brook student who was located upon the porch of another nightclub.
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Jossy Mansur on the Front Page of SM
A bartender at the club where she was that fatal night has confirmed that two of the three suspects had to practically drag her to the car because she was uncertain on her feet================================================================
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