Web Bots en 7 Oktober

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 13:50 schreef Bastard het volgende:

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Ik ben ook persoonlijk te quoten hoor..
Vanwaar die agitatie? Alsof het je persoonlijk raakt en er iets uitgevochten moet worden. Een computerprogramma zegt wat en iemand geeft er een interpratie aan, leer er mee leven!

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 15:23 schreef jogy het volgende:

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(hihi . . )

Ik heb er even een quote bij gehaald, inclusief context enzo
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Kijk eens naar het dikgedrukte gedeelte van het laatste stukje, de context zullen we maar zeggen. Jeweets.

bron
eerste deel van een 12 delig ( 2 uur durend ) interview waar ze dus de hele bende uitleggen

Dus.

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The sort of agony,
grief, pain and rage that was felt the six days following 9/11 will be felt
for five and a half months. From October 7th, 2008 until March of next year.

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 15:38 schreef Grrrrrrrr het volgende:

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Oh ja, zo kan je tenminste alles wat er in het komende half jaar gebeurt erbij slepen.

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Nou? Waar blijft het dan? 7 oktober is al voorbij hoor.....

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The next year will get very ugly and will change your life worse than 9/11.
It is important to understand the magnitude of the data. The sort of agony,
grief, pain and rage that was felt the six days following 9/11 will be felt
for five and a half months. From October 7th, 2008 until March of next year.

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The next year will get very ugly and will change your life worse than 9/11.

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From October 7th, 2008 until March of next year.

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Op dinsdag 7 oktober 2008 23:00 schreef Grrrrrrrr het volgende:
TS kijkt Comedy Central

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Op dinsdag 7 oktober 2008 23:00 schreef Grrrrrrrr het volgende:
Die het steeds voor elkaar krijgen om de ondertiteling a) compleet te laten ontbreken of b) de ondertiteling 10 minuten voor of achter te laten lopen. Niet zomaar 1 keer in de week maar praktisch elke dag....

a) is niet zo'n ramp, hoogstens de tv wat harder zetten.
b) daarentegen is hoogst irritant omdat je steeds automatisch naar die ondertiteling gaat kijken en je iets anders leest dan je hoort.

Klacht: kutzenders die structureel hun ondertitels niet goed voor elkaar hebben

Subklacht: Comedy Central kijken
Edit subklacht: spelfouten maken omdat je zo pissig bent

Voorspelbare reacties: TS leest ondertitels
TS kijkt Comedy Central

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 16:54 schreef jogy het volgende:

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Oh? De officieuze crach/resessie/mediapaniek is de 7de toch begonnen lijkt me.
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Tip: www.hansanders.nl
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Dikgedrukte is belangrijk. Dus ik zet het er nog even onder zodat je het nog eens op je in kan laten werken mocht dat je wens zijn.
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Samen met
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Dus, even vrij vertaald: Het KOMENDE jaar wordt erg naar(lelijk) en zal je leven op een meer dramatische manier veranderen dan 11 september dat heeft gedaan (samenlevingsgewijs hé)

Ik moet zeggen dat ik het eerst ook niet al te goed gelezen had dus heb ik het ook gemist, maar het staat er toch best duidelijk en de quote zonder context geeft een hele andere indruk dan de totale tekst.

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 17:04 schreef Grrrrrrrr het volgende:

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Wel ja, daarvoor was er niks aan de hand, 2 zwarte maandagen negeren we gewoon even.
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Oh ja, nu zie ik het, net als na 9/11.... Kerel, het lijkt er nog niet op .
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Je stuurt de aandacht weer weg van de startdatum. Handig van je maar helaas. Wat is er op 7 oktober gebeurd dat zo erg is?
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Het komende jaar met 7 oktober als precieze startdatum, die datum wordt expliciet genoemd en we zullen ons 7 oktober herinneren als 9/11. Uhuh . Dan kan je contexten wat je wil maar dat zijn hun letterlijk woorden.

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Cliff said whenever "it" happens, and whatever "it" turns out to be, "it
will be a date in history you remember like 9/11, we will remember 10/7.

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 17:32 schreef Grrrrrrrr het volgende:
Dat is dus precies wat ik bedoel als ik het over recht praten wat krom is heb....

Zij geven een exacte datum met nogal stevige uitspraken rondom die datum. Daar klopt geen reet van en toch wordt er dan via allerlei kronkels nog geprobeerd om de "voorspelling" nog te redden.

De voorspelling staat of valt met iets dramatisch wat op 7 oktober had moeten gebeuren. Als ze iets minder exact waren geweest had je een sterkere zaak gehad, al wordt de voorspelling dan natuurlijk minder waard aangezien die makkelijker te doen is. Ik kan ook wel voorspellen dat het deze maand gaat regenen. Zonder webbot nog wel

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Web Bot Report Foresees October 7 "Turning Point"

"The Time Monks" of the Web Bot Project answered questions on Coast to Coast
radio during the early morning hours on September 22nd, 2008.

Firstly, here is a short recap to the previous Web Bot interview from
September 2nd, 2008:

" The Web Bots see September 22-27, 2008 as precursor dates to the main
turning point date of October 7, 2008. Closely watch events during September
22-27, 2008 for hints as to what to expect on October 7, 2008.

Cliff said whenever "it" happens, and whatever "it" turns out to be, "it
will be a date in history you remember like 9/11, we will remember 10/7.

The Web Bots foresee that October 7, 2008 to February 19, 2009 will be
filled with emotional intensity, and the length of the release period will
be extraordinary. The Web Bots have never picked up any event lasting this
long. In comparison, 9/11 length lasted about 10 days. This event will be
four months of high emotion......."


Based upon the September 22nd interview on Coast to Coast radio with the
Time Monks, here is an outline of what the Web Bots have uncovered for the
following weeks, months and years:

The next year will get very ugly and will change your life worse than 9/11.
It is important to understand the magnitude of the data. The sort of agony,
grief, pain and rage that was felt the six days following 9/11 will be felt
for five and a half months. From October 7th, 2008 until March of next year.
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* Will there be a total economic collapse?

Yes. 2009 will be a "year of transformation." The keyword
monumental" shows up as how the future will view our current situation. Time
Monks describe this as an "epic situation"

* How to prepare for what's coming?

The Time Monks say:

Have a plan in place to be as independent of the institutions
of society as you can possibly get. Prepare for a situation in which you
will have no water, food, electricity or heat. Have clothing for all seasons
and EXTRA MEDICINE. Possibility of oil going up to $500 a barrel, also
possible massive deflation from nobody buying anything. This is the kind of
thing where the other nations on the planet will be so scared of what's
going to happen in the U.S. that they will begin preparing, fearing that the
U.S. will go crazy. This includes mobilizing military.

Try not to panic, we have a couple of weeks. You can not store
enough to get you by indefinitely. A situation my arise in which you may
need to move or be relocated. Time Monks do not advocate bank runs because
money may become useless. Says longer term data "implies money is less
intense part of society than it is now."

* September 22nd - 27th - The Plateau of building tension.

On October 6th, 11:59 pm, the planet is going to go through a
period of release" following the traumatic event. The information will
spread very quickly due to technology. The release language will start at
the point of impact.

The event could be something such as a "false flag terror
attack" in some part of the world, U.S. may not necessarily be at epi-center
of said event. It could also be a "slow boil" event such as a bio-agent
released. There are expected elements of a prequel that will set the stage
for the event, between the dates of September 15th-September 27th.

* Is this a self fulfilling prophecy?

Time Monks say this is possible.

* Is there something worse looming?

"The situation is complex, not a single trigger. 45-58%
economic, 40% military, the rest is terra activity."

Really big numbers popped up that are quite worrying. Somewhere
between 2 to 22 million lives will be drastically effected by the event.

It is possible that a manufactured terror event will lead to
terrible things. Possibility of martial law or military reaction to terror
event, real or manufactured.

* Is this inevitable?

Time Monks do not know. Cite the possibility that if enough
people get the message it may be possible to hijack the future based upon
knowing about "constant co-creation".

* December 10th-12th, 2008 - China sized earthquake in Pacific NW.

* In 2009 there will be a global coastal event.

This does not necessarily mean a tsunami. If you live around
water it would be good to have a boat.

* Are there other think tanks who are saying something similar not based
on the same system?

"We know the Chinese are into this.": Similar language grabbing
program with much larger chunks. Time Monks tracked these techniques back to
a Chinese super computing center.

* Are U.S. agencies using Web bots?

There seems to be a suggestion it's too "woo woo" for them.
They have used remote viewing in the past, but it's not as accurate as what
we're doing. The current thinking in the military and alphabet
organizations is that they want massive databases. They are looking for
social networking. They think in terms of if they can find one terrorist
they can find the rest of network. The web bot is not based on this style of
gathering information. Web bot looks for big stuff. It's like comparing
binoculars to a microscope. Web bot looks for MASSIVE Change. Web bot is not
a "microscope" like military program. Also, these groups (military and
alphabet organizations) may not need web bot if they're creating what is
going to happen. The Time Monks contacted the CIA to take a look at what
they have found and submitted a brief. CIA said it's interesting but they're
not interested.

* Anything about Antarctica/Global Warming?

Antarctica is very important to the "powers that be". 13% of
linguistics related to the "powers that be" concern Antarctica. Antarctica
is big key to whatever is driving them.

* Anything to do with the Hadron Collider?

Time Monks not worried about Hadron Collider. Data so far
indicates that the scientists at CERN are performing a "juggling act and
keep dropping oranges". Doesn't show up in linguistics as a driver in what's
about to occur.

* Do you believe extraterrestrials are real and/or play a role?

Within consciousness, there is a distinct consciousness that is
not human.

Clear that there is something outside of the human realm that
drives the "powers that be". There is "stuff" in the model space (of the web
bot) that goes through the idea of "disappearances" beginning next year
(relating to extraterrestrials). It's as if an inter-dimensional door opens
up and people are sucked though the door and the door closes.

* 2009: Disappearance language gets more specific. Big changes. Some
of the "powers that be" will disappear. "Powers that be" will be out and
about with large groups of people with them and they will all disappear.
* A lot of alien activity way off in the future.
* Indications in language involving e.t.s (possible result of
disinformation):
o Alien wars are coming.
o These alien events may or may not be real but people are
acting as if they are real.

* Things that Time Monks could not categorize/make sense of:

* There is a device out and about in the world being chased down by
the "powers that be".

* Two whistle-blowers have a device in their hands and are on the
run.
o By just having the device they have created certain side
effects that the "powers that be" couldn't have predicted. The Time Monks do
not have a word for these devices. Relate it to a cave man trying to
describe a modern gun.

* Presidential Election

Won't be decided for some months past November. Won't make
any difference to what's happening.

* Religion

Religious component. Religion will change in December between
12th to the 15th. Evangelicals will have an "un-burdening", Evangelicals
will feel some sort of "shame".

* Big revolution coming against the "powers that be"
TIME BOTS UPDATE - SEPT 21, 2008:

On Sept 21, 2008 on Coast to Coast AM, George Ure & his colleague 'Cliff', 2 self-described "time monks," shared dire predictions based on their web bot technology. Their method captures changes in language patterns within Internet discussions. This aggregated data is then processed with software to determine various keywords, which they interpret in a predictive fashion.

Beginning on October 7, 2008 & running through March 2009, they foresee a calamitous period on an epic scale!

America will be beset by a variety of problems, which they broke down as 45-48% related to the economy, 40% concerning the military & the rest associated with natural disasters. Between 2 & 22 million lives could be lost or seriously impacted, they estimated, possibly related to a "global coastal event" in '09. On Dec. 10-12th, 2008, a large quake could hit the Pacific Northwest, they added.

The 2 recommended developing self-sufficiency & the ability to live off-the-grid. They also spoke about strange disappearances next year, in which people, including those in power, will vanish without a trace into interdimensional doorways. Additionally, an object they call a "coherer" -- a reverse-engineered or left-behind dimensional artifact is currently in the possession of people who are concerned for their lives.

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On October 6th, 11:59 pm, the planet is going to go through a period of release"

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 19:03 schreef SpecialK het volgende:
Eerst moesten we wachten tot de dag na 7 oktober... nu moeten we 4 maanden wachten. Na 4 maanden is het nog steeds overduidelijk een dikke mislukking maar nee, dan moeten we nog maar eens een paar decennia wachten dan merken we wel dat deze periode de geschiedenis in gaat, precies of bijna precies zoals omschreven door webbot.

Met andere woorden. Een voorspelling kan niet mislukken zolang je de conclusiedatum maar ver genoeg steeds vooruit schuift.

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 19:07 schreef jogy het volgende:

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Maximaal vier maanden, als de beurs binnen deze tijd weer normaal doet is de voorspelling mislukt. Als dit zo is zal ik me persoonlijk niet meer mengen in dit soort gesprekken. Deal?

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Maximaal vier maanden, als de beurs binnen deze tijd weer normaal doet

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 18:43 schreef jogy het volgende:

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Even een kleine vraag. Heb je minstens wel de gehele web-bot voorspelling gelezen? Nee, ik vraag je niet om twee uur van je leven te verspillen door naar die youtube sessie te luisteren (al is die wel erg tof, ook al geloof je het niet, maar dat terzijde)
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Ik heb een paar relevante stukken voor deze discusie dik gedrukt, zodat je het voor jezelf kan lezen in de context zoals die bedoeld is.Er zit in de hele tekst één stukje die nu fout is. En dat is: "Cliff said whenever "it" happens, and whatever "it" turns out to be, "it will be a date in history you remember like 9/11, we will remember 10/7."

Het volgende stukje lijkt er vooralsnog meer op:
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De rest nog niet en je ziet de nuances in het interview. Namelijk dat 7 oktober een startpunt is en 22/27 september de voorloper ervan. Naja, 22/27 kan makkelijk als voorloper gezien worden (imo) van een eventuele crach. in deze vier maanden zal blijken of de web-bot echt daadwerkelijk iets kan of dat het een leuke toy is. NU NOG NIET. Je mag er wel een voorschot op nemen, door te zeggen dat je het niet verwacht ( of wel ) maar tenzij jij een web-bot in je kelder hebt staan die de toekomst kan voorspellen wordt het lastig.

Dus in het kort. Uit de gehele tekst is er op het moment 1 stukje die niet klopt (emotioneel gezien), de andere stukken van de tekst zijn vooralsnog goed mogelijk.

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 19:18 schreef SpecialK het volgende:

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De voorspelling is eigenlijk nu al mislukt. Niet alleen was 7 oktober een insignifikante dag binnen de huidige kredietkrisis het was ook nog eens voor de rest een ontiegelijk saaie dag. Hij blinkt bijna uit in z'n saaiheid. Er zijn geen keerpunten geweest, geen gewichtige issues die naar boven kwamen.

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Een voorspelling moet als geheel kloppen. Je kan niet zomaar even de elementen negeren die je niet bevallen. Als je genoeg tekst schrijft hou je altijd wel een paar statements over die kloppen (vaak omdat ze maar vaag genoeg zijn dat het op alles kan slaan). Dit proces van uitvergroten van dingen die je WEL bevallen noemen we:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

En zal gelijk staan aan een dikke "non sequitur" binnen een rationele discussie.

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Ook in jouw statements zitten een hoop irrationele statements. Een zin zoals:
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Wat is normaal? Een waardeoordeel waar jij een persoonlijke voorstelling bij hebt. Met andere woorden. Jij mag straks voor ons allemaal gaan beslissen of deze "profeetie" is uitgekomen aangezien jij wel eventjes beslist wat normaal is. Als je echt een voorspelling wilt bewijzen zal je met harde feiten en data moeten komen die objectief te verifieren zijn. Noch jouw statements noch die van webbot voldoen daar aan. Behalve dan die datum die ze geven. Dat ene ding waar ze een (relatief) hard feit doorgeven falen ze onherroepelijk mee.

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 19:56 schreef SpecialK het volgende:
Heb je euberhaupt wel gelezen wat ik heb geschreven? Daarnaast kom je met google links aanzetten met schandalig slechte zoekwoorden.. wow 10. milj. hits op 9/11 en oktober? wow jij hebt echt geen idee hoe die search werkt he

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Daarnaast is de eerste hit een forumpost van iemand die refereert naar webbot zelf

Wellicht tijd voor wat reflectie inzake je discussielogica want dat schort nogal als je met dit soort argumenten aan komt.

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De rest ga ik zelfs niet uitdiepen. Die webbot van je heeft keihard gefaalt. Daarmee basta.

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 20:01 schreef jogy het volgende:


Ok, wat jij wilt natuurlijk. Het leuke is dat dit toch wel of niet gebeurt of je er nou wel of niet in gelooft.

See what i did there?

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 20:05 schreef SpecialK het volgende:

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Het leuke is dat je dit toch wel gelooft of er nou wel of niet wat gebeurd.

_{See what i did there?}

Ja, maar het punt ontgaat mij een beetje

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 22:40 schreef jogy het volgende:

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Neu, ik ben mans genoeg om mijn ongelijk toe te geven als ik dat heb. En ookal lijkt het niet zo ik ben ook niet overtuigd van de werking van die bot ( !) Ik geeft het de voordeel van de twijfel en zal naderhand pas beslissen of die bot goed heeft gezeten, dat is dan ook de enige manier om zoiets te doen lijkt me .

_{Ja, maar het punt ontgaat mij een beetje}

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From there I… From 1997 to 2001 I deduced some of the following principals: All people are psychic. Most don’t know it. Even if you do know it, it does not impact the next statement I’m going to make, which is: That all humans leak out these psychic impressions in the language that they choose to use in ordinary conversation. And that was my basic premise to begin with.

My working theory from that point was that if one could sample enough of the conversations going on around the planet and sift for the nuance between why one word might be chosen in an ordinary conversation as opposed to another word for the same conversation that basically you’d had a week ago, then one could determine what is moving us, if you will, at an unconscious level and be able to make some forecasts from that in a very interesting way. Sort of an extension, if you will, of my work, of the focus of it in 1997, which was commercial. Make sense?

K: Yes. Wonderful.

C: OK. So basically at that point I’m assuming that all these psychics are out there. And I had educated myself on language, and how linguistics works, and how the human brain works, and all this kind of thing. Along the way I wrote this little piece of software that allowed me to read off the computer screen at up to 2000 words per minute, so I was able to suck down vast quantities of text over those years. And it led to some interesting breakthroughs on its own.

But, in any event, the issues about language… It turns out that there is a nuance. We have, taking English speakers as an example, we might know more or less intuitively or internally the definitions of, say, about 100,000 words. Depending on your specialty and what you do for a living at the time, technically that might be slightly larger or slightly less. But any given human English speaker may only use 11 or 12,000 words in any given week. And the 11 or 12,000 words is not static from week to week to week. It shifts.

So if we start thinking about this in terms of set theory and fuzzy set theory, which is part of the programming, and I wasn’t really into the programming of it all, then you start getting into the idea of: Well, why from week to week to week, do some of the words within our basic set fall out and are replaced by others?

And that was my premise that: Oh well, that’s occurring because of something that we are picking up as human antenna walking around vibrating on the planet and also picking up information just because we’re here. Again that sort of makes sense, right?

K: Right.

C: OK. And then…

K: But what do you mean, you weren’t interested in the… I’m not sure. You weren’t interested in the computer modelling side of it? Or are you saying someone else took care of that?

C: No, no. I did all of that. I was fascinated by the math in the language and so on. And I’m a programmer. That’s basically where I came from. I programmed for a software company. It’s like Microsoft. I wrote software for phone companies, worked on some very complex stuff. Worked for GEC Marconi and very large companies, those kind of things, almost exclusively in the software realm.

But eventually it rose up to the point where I was working on algorithms and computer theory, as opposed to actual software, over the course of… I don’t know how many… fifteen, twenty years, or something. I got to the point where the software component of it became less and I was getting down into the deep-sea secrets, if you will.

K: Yeah. OK. I would say maybe the philosophical side of it began to draw you more.

C: Sure. Correct. And basically, I developed some software that goes on out and eats large chunks of the internet. It reads public domain stuff off of forums and other areas, sometimes strays into chat groups. It’s not very deterministic and it follows links, so sometimes when we set it off, we don’t really know where it’s going to end up going in terms of what text it’s going to eat. And that’s part of the whole thrill of it all, if you will.

There’s a serendipitous approach to this because we tell the software, which are called spiders, to sit on this server, open up this one web page, go and find any key words on that web page that we tell you out of this list to start with. And if you find those words, read back a certain number of words and read forward a certain number of words, copy that, do some stuff with it, and if you find any links in there, well, have at it. Go follow those and do the same thing down there.

And so it would go and eat some net and move and read more web pages and keep going and going and going. And I think we’ve got a 256 limit on how deep it can go, in links, before it has to unwind and come back and go on to the next stage. So it can get some huge amounts of text out of here, on the order of, usually, about 90 million leads.

And a lead is a construct that we use, where we have 2,048 bites fore and aft, if you will, of the key word that it found. It constitutes a lead, but it also brings back the context of where it found that. In other words if it’s in a gardening forum, if it’s dating, car repair, whatever. And some other information, these kind of things...

K: But in essence… This is something Bill and I had been discussing, asking each other whether or not you actually were feeding it key words that you were looking for.

C: That part of the process is extremely unique and I don’t want to go too deep into it because it actually is the real key to the thing, I think, and it’s a trade secret. We do have a seed list and we do have a seed list of 300,000 forums to begin hunting in. But, no, it is not deterministic in the sense of data-mining where we say: Go on out and count the number of times you run across, you know, tire or wall or bridge or something. It doesn’t work that way.

K: OK, but…

C: OK. Basically what it’s doing is this here’s a long column of what we call context. These contexts can be thought of as the name for a larger group of words. And you might give it 30,000 of these names to start with. And one of them might be forward or energy and we tell it: OK, take the word energy out of this long list of 30,000 words, go over and read the entire context that we’ve got associated with that, and store that in your memory. And that itself might be 30- or 40,000 words. And then go over to this website and see what you can match out of that in the following manner. Make sense?

K: OK. It sounds even more complex than I originally thought.

Bill Ryan: What that tells me is that, instead, what you’re doing, actually you’re looking for significant correlations. Is that a better way of looking at it?

C: Correct. We’re no longer… We don’t actually even look at the words, the words themselves. The whole thing was written in a… The spiders and so forth are in a much more deterministic software language called C, and some Perl script. Most of the processing is done by Prolog. But the Perl script will go through and do a match and replace, if you will. And from the time we actually find any of the words we’re looking for, from that point on, really all it deals with is a four-digit text number that we assign to it.

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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 22:59 schreef Grrrrrrrr het volgende:

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En als hij het nou 'een beetje' goed heeft?

Dus dat er een economisch moeilijke periode aankomt zonder dat de beschaving half instort?