Anti-Islam conferentie Keulen begonnen

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Minister van integratie Armin Laschert in Noordrijn-Westfalen, de deelstaat waar Keulen in ligt, noemt de wil tot demonstreren tegen de conferentie een blijk van de afschuw die er onder de bevolking heerst over Pro-Keulen.

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Op zaterdag 20 september 2008 00:03 schreef MarlaSinger het volgende:
Ik was er en het was erg gezellig.

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Op zaterdag 20 september 2008 00:05 schreef IHVK het volgende:

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Vertel eens...

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Op zaterdag 20 september 2008 00:06 schreef MarlaSinger het volgende:

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Gewoon, veel mensen en liedjes zingen. Een kampvuurtje hier en daar...

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getolereeld

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Op zaterdag 20 september 2008 00:06 schreef MarlaSinger het volgende:
Gewoon, veel mensen en liedjes zingen. Een kampvuurtje hier en daar...

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Op zaterdag 20 september 2008 18:44 schreef Scaurus het volgende:

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Lekker veel vrouwtjes de hand geschud?

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Op zaterdag 20 september 2008 19:29 schreef MarlaSinger het volgende:

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Niet alleen de hand geschud

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Op zaterdag 20 september 2008 18:50 schreef LeroyBig het volgende:
Wel mooi om te zien hoe heel Keulen een front vormden tegen de Neo Nazi`s

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Op zaterdag 20 september 2008 23:21 schreef Martijn_fijn het volgende:

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Ik geef je graag gelijk, maar 5000 mensen - waarvan zelfs een aanzienlijk deel uit Nederland - is niet reprensatief voor de hele stad. Er wordt juist gezegd dat er een duidelijke tweedeling in de stad is.

Daar komt bij dat rechtse mensen met anti-moslim onderbuikgevoelens vaak veels te laf zijn om hun statement in het openbaar te maken.

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Geert Wilders doet niet mee aan de conferentie, omdat hij niet met zulke groepen geassocieerd wil worden.

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Op zondag 21 september 2008 02:20 schreef Strani het volgende:
Zelfs Meki zelf wordt zo moe van z'n topics dat ie er na z'n OP niet meer in reageert.

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Op zaterdag 20 september 2008 00:03 schreef Dagonet het volgende:
De minister van Integratie keurt de demonstratie iig niet af:
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Ik weet niet of dat zo handig is. Ook de demonstranten zijn niet zo handig bezig. Demonstreren is prima maar probeer het niet onmogelijk te maken dat dat congres doorgang vindt. Pas na gedane uitspraken kan je proberen via de rechter een sanctie af te dwingen. Op voorhand dat onmogelijk maken door met stenen te gooien is totaal de verkeerde route.

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Op zondag 21 september 2008 15:31 schreef Elfletterig het volgende:
Ik weet eigenlijk niet wat ik zorgwekkender vind: dat er extreem rechtse mensen met zieke denkbeelden rondlopen, of dat mensen het recht op vrije meningsuiting wordt ontnomen. Ik vind dat mensen het recht hebben om tegen de bouw van een moskee te zijn, het recht hebben om een uiterst rechtse partij op te richten en het recht hebben om een conferentie te houden.

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Op zondag 21 september 2008 15:33 schreef Scaurus het volgende:

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Als je kijkt naar de Europese geschiedenis sinds 1945, dan zie je dat het gevaar dat extreem-rechts is in het niets valt bij het gevaar van extreem-links.

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Op zondag 21 september 2008 15:31 schreef Elfletterig het volgende:
Ik weet eigenlijk niet wat ik zorgwekkender vind: dat er extreem rechtse mensen met zieke denkbeelden rondlopen, of dat mensen het recht op vrije meningsuiting wordt ontnomen. Ik vind dat mensen het recht hebben om tegen de bouw van een moskee te zijn, het recht hebben om een uiterst rechtse partij op te richten en het recht hebben om een conferentie te houden.

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Op zondag 21 september 2008 15:33 schreef Scaurus het volgende:

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Als je kijkt naar de Europese geschiedenis sinds 1945, dan zie je dat het gevaar dat extreem-rechts is in het niets valt bij het gevaar van extreem-links.

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Op zondag 21 september 2008 15:36 schreef IHVK het volgende:
Ja en als je de geschiedenis van West-Europa sinds 1930 bekijkt, zie je het omgekeerde.

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Op maandag 22 september 2008 10:49 schreef Floripas het volgende:
Ik vind het altijd absurd om het leed van de joden, kaukasiërs, afrikanen, algerijnen, georgiers, bessarabiers, etc. die in Europa zijn getreiterd, uitgesloten, mishandeld en vermoord na de tweede wereldoorlog door extreem-rechts te bagatelliseren door te zeggen "dat extreem-links toch ook heel erg gewelddadig was". Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Op vrijdag 19 september 2008 23:21 schreef Meki het volgende:

Dit soort conferenties dienen verboden te worden, elke conferentie die geweld kan uiten en kan leiden dient volgens mij niet getolereeld te worden. Moslimconferenties die roepen tot haat hoort ook bij die kern.

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Op maandag 22 september 2008 10:49 schreef Floripas het volgende: het leed van de joden, kaukasiërs, afrikanen, algerijnen, georgiers, bessarabiers, etc. die in Europa zijn getreiterd, uitgesloten, mishandeld en vermoord na de tweede wereldoorlog door extreem-rechts

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Op maandag 22 september 2008 16:26 schreef EdvandeBerg het volgende:

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Jij kent ze alle 5?

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Op maandag 22 september 2008 16:35 schreef Floripas het volgende:

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Jij hebt echt geen benul, hè?

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Op maandag 22 september 2008 10:49 schreef Floripas het volgende:
Ik vind het altijd absurd om het leed van de joden, kaukasiërs, afrikanen, algerijnen, georgiers, bessarabiers, etc. die in Europa zijn getreiterd, uitgesloten, mishandeld en vermoord na de tweede wereldoorlog door extreem-rechts te bagatelliseren door te zeggen "dat extreem-links toch ook heel erg gewelddadig was". Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Op maandag 22 september 2008 16:50 schreef Posdnous het volgende:
Jaja, bron?

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Op maandag 22 september 2008 16:50 schreef Posdnous het volgende:
Jaja, bron?

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Op maandag 22 september 2008 17:01 schreef eriksd het volgende:

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zaak kerwin bijv?

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Web: http://www.fsumonitor.com
Yosef I. Abramowitz
Micah H. Naftalin
President
National Director
ANTISEMITIC AND RACIST VIOLENCE IN UKRAINE AND RUSSIA
2007
The problems of antisemitic and racist violence continue to worsen in Ukraine and Russia in
2007. Both countries have yet to overcome the historical legacy of Tsarist and Soviet
mistreatment, violence, and discrimination against Jews and some other minorities. Both
confront similar problems of corrupt and dysfunctional criminal justice systems that are ill-
equipped to deal with relatively complicated legal issues like hate crimes and hate speech.
Xenophobic attitudes among the general population are widespread, and several politicians in
both countries have been elected and re-elected while openly espousing antisemitic and racist
beliefs.
Nevertheless, conditions in both countries differ in six significant ways:
1. While the neo-Nazi movement has expanded rapidly in both countries, this is especially
true of Russia, where it laid down roots much earlier than in Ukraine.
2. The frequency of violent attacks against Jews is higher in Ukraine than in Russia, where
the main targets of neo-Nazi gangs are dark-skinned migrants. These migrants greatly
outnumber the Russian Jewish population, while in Ukraine non-Russian migrants are
present in much smaller numbers. The additional factor of Islamophobia stoked by the
wars in Chechnya further aggravates Russian nationalists’ attitudes towards dark-skinned
migrants, pushing the Jews further down the list of “enemies” than they were in the past.
3. Ukrainian media frequently ignore antisemitic attacks, in contrast to the Russian media,
which does a better job of reporting both antisemitic and racist violence. Most of the
attacks that UCSJ learn of in Ukraine are never reported in the mainstream Ukrainian
press.
4. In both countries, there is an unfortunate tendency by some local authorities and law
enforcement agencies to cover up hate crimes by lumping them under the vague rubric of
“hooliganism.” Some local authorities have denied the existence of neo-Nazi gangs in
their region, despite clear evidence to the contrary. However, in recent years, this kind of
disingenuous official rhetoric has become less common in Russia as the problems of
extremist nationalist groups and inter-ethnic violence spin increasingly out of control. In
Ukraine, the neo-Nazi movement is at an earlier stage of development than in Russia, and
most of media is indifferent to this issue, which allows some local officials and agencies
the political cover to deny that extremist nationalist groups and antisemitic violence are
serious problems. Russia’s hate crimes laws, which were effectively moribund in the
1990s, are being applied more frequently in recent years, while in Ukraine, UCSJ is only

aware of one successful hate crimes prosecution this decade.
5. In Russia, a coalition of human rights NGOS called the Coalition Against Hate (made up
of UCSJ, the Moscow Helsinki Group, the Sova Center, and others) has been effective in
voicing concern, engendering media attention, and putting pressure on Russian officials
when it comes to hate crimes. No equivalent to this coalition currently exists in Ukraine.
On the other hand, the Kremlin’s crackdown on NGOs—society’s first line of defense
against human rights abuses—could make the situation much worse in the near future in
Russia. Correspondingly, Ukraine’s climate of greater political freedom since the Orange
Revolution may in time have the opposite effect.
6. A final complicating factor is the unfortunate use of blatantly racist rhetoric by President
Putin in the wake of the 2006 Kondopoga riots, which targeted migrants from the
Caucasus. The president used the widespread publicity surrounding the riot to
successfully push for a law that bans foreign market traders—a blatant pander to the
extreme right. Shortly afterwards, the Russian government engaged in a racist witch hunt
against ethnic Georgians, during which 1,000s were detained and an unknown number
deported, including many who were present in the country legally and even a few who
had Russian citizenship. The Ukrainian government, to its credit, did not engage in any
openly racist policies.
In Ukraine, the number of hate crimes reported by UCSJ’s Kiev monitor Vyacheslav Likhachyov
reached 70 in 2007. The largest category of victims were Jews (13 attacks) and students from
various Arab countries (also 13 attacks), with Africans a close second (12 attacks). The very
weekend that this report was being compiled, thugs in Dnepropetrovsk assaulted a rabbi in a
clear hate crime (there was no attempt to rob the victim and the assailants were especially
vicious, kicking their victim multiple times as he lay prone on the ground). Police have not yet
made any arrests in connection with this latest attack.
As in previous years, many of these attacks remained unsolved crimes. Police responses to these
crimes ranged from professional in some cases to completely indifferent in others. For example,
on December 16, 2006, three Orthodox Jews were attacked in Kiev by a gang of young men
screaming antisemitic abuse. In a December 17 report, the AEN news agency quoted one of the
victims as saying:
“Suddenly around 10 young people with bottles in their hands ran out of a courtyard.
Screaming ‘kikes, get out of here’ along with several curse words they attacked us and
started to savagely beat us. I and a friend managed to escape and called the police.
However, when we called 02 [the local equivalent of 911], a voice told us to call back
tomorrow because it was already late and the police couldn’t come.”
“We found out later that our third friend [who didn't escape] was thrown to the ground
and kicked,” the victim continued. “A passerby came out of a parked car and tried to
help him. He tried to explain to the hooligans that it isn’t right to beat a man who is
down on the ground. They beat him up too. We haven’t been able to find him. Our
friend has a concussion and several other injuries.”

As promised, the police arrived the next day and began investigating the attack. However, by
that time the criminals’ trail had obviously gotten cold, and UCSJ is not aware of any arrests
having been made in connection with this attack.
The number of extremist crimes recorded by Russian law enforcement agencies has risen by a
factor of three since 2004, according to the first deputy head of the Interior Ministry. A January
21, 2008 report by the Interfax news agency quoted Aleksandr Chekalin saying that while in
2004 the number of such crimes was 130, 152 were recorded the following year, 262 in 2006,
and a whopping 356 in 2007. These "were crimes in general committed on ethnic or religious
grounds," the minister said--a valuable disaggregator, since in the past government statistics
lumped in terrorist acts and other forms of violence stemming from the Chechen war with hate
crimes committed by Russian extremist nationalist groups.
Although not pointed out in the Interfax piece, the fact that so many of the victim of hate crimes
are illegally present in the country, combined with long-standing police practices of suppressing
hate crimes data and targeting certain ethnic minority groups for harsh treatment, means that
these numbers are very likely just the tip of the iceberg, valuable only insofar as they show the
broader trend of increasing inter-ethnic violence in Russia.
According to the Sova Information-Analytical Center—a member of the Coalition Against Hate
which closely tracks hate crimes and extremist groups—in 2007 Russian courts convicted 23
people of hate crimes and an additional 27 of violating hate speech laws. While this is the
highest number of hate crimes and hate speech convictions that the Russian justice system has
recorded to date, and therefore a positive sign, in a vast country where hate crimes are reported
literally on a daily basis, a couple of dozen extremists brought to justice are the proverbial drop
in the bucket.
For example, just during the week of January 21-28, 2008 UCSJ and its coalition partners
recorded the following hate crimes: A neo-Nazi gang attack in the small city of Pervouralsk, the
stabbing of an ethnic Tajik in St. Petersburg, the posting of threatening leaflets on the door of a
mosque in Nizhny Novgorod, a likely arson attack against a Pentecostal church in Saratov, the
sentencing to a laughably short one year in prison of a group of neo-Nazi youths in Obninsk who
filmed their multiple attacks on non-Russians and then posted them on the Internet along with
images of swastikas, and the arrest in Yekaterinburg of youths who murdered a non-Russian
migrant. In Moscow, the following hate crimes were reported: the vicious beating of a citizen of
Turkmenistan, two separate attacks on ethnic Buryats, the fatal stabbing of an Armenian student,
and the arrest of five suspects in a string of murders of Central Asian migrants.
This is what now passes for a typical week in our monitoring of the situation in Russia, where
inter-ethnic violence is fast approaching the point where it is starting to tear apart the country’s
social and political fabric. The potential consequences for the Jewish community and other
vulnerable minority groups if these trends are allowed to continue are grim.

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The most serious of racial attacks occur when, like Stephen Lawrence, a victim is murdered. Although such attacks are far rarer than everyday attacks of harassment, the figures are still chilling. Our research shows that in the last ten years there have been over 50 people killed in racial attacks.
Sources: Metropolitan Police Statistics; British Crime Survey, 2000; ESRC Violence Research Programme

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In the 1990s, after German reunification, Neo-Nazi groups succeeded in gaining more followers, mostly among teenagers in Eastern Germany. Many were new groups that arose amidst the economic collapse and subsequent high unemployment in the former East Germany. The activities of these groups resulted in several violent attacks on foreigners and creating a hostile atmosphere for foreigners in some towns. The violence manifested itself especially in attempts to burn down the homes for people in search of asylum in Germany.

* Attacks on accommodation for refugees: Hoyerswerda (17. - 22. 9. 1991), Rostock-Lichtenhagen ` (23. - 27. 8. 1992), Schwedt, Eberswalde, Eisenhüttenstadt, Elsterwerda (Oct 1991)
* Arson attack on the house of a Turkish family in Solingen (29.5.1993), two women and three girls murdered, seven people severely injured. Remark: Although four suspects were sentenced to 10-15 years, the judgment was controversial because not all doubts about their responsibility for the attempt could be cleared up. Three of these persons had connections to a collaborator of the German secret service " Verfassungsschutz".
* Murder of three Turkish girls in an arson attack in Mölln (23. 1 l. 1992), nine more people injured.

("Arson attack" is a translation of the German word Brandanschlag, which implies throwing Molotov cocktails into houses (fire-bombing), and attempts to burn a house down.)

These events preceded demonstrations (Lichterketten) with hundreds of thousands of participants against right-extremist violence in many German cities. These further precipitated other massive neo-Nazi demonstrations later on, which continue today. Demonstrations often erupt in violence as Nazis and their anti-Fascist counter-protestors clash in the streets.

The official German statistics for the year 1990 record 178 right-extremist motivated crimes of violence (Gewalttaten), in 1991 there were 849 and in 1992 there were 1,485, with a significant concentration in the eastern Bundesländer (1999: 2,19 crimes per 100,000 inhabitants in the eastern Bundesländer and 0,68 in the western ones). After 1992 the numbers went down. Because the strong public opinion and media coverage concerning Neo-Nazi ideologies is extremely negative, organized attempts of those groups get ended quickly by local authorities when they reach a certain size.

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B. PHYSICAL VIOLENCE total number of cases: 48
B1. Aggression and ill-treatment: 43 cases
B1a. by police and other institutional actors: 17 in cases
B1b. by non istitutional actors: 15 in cases
B1c. by extreme right-wing organisations: 8 in cases
B1d. by non institutional actors with the help of
institutional actors: 3 in cases
B2. Death caused by violence, ill-treatment, abuse, omission: 5 in cases
B2a. by police and other institutional actors: 3 in cases
B2b. by unidentified actors: 2 in cases
C. PERPETRATORS
Breaking down the categories of the above-mentioned actors and adding up the cases of
verbal and physical violence, the most represented perpetrators are:
C1. Extreme right individuals or groups: 23 in cases
C2. Ordinary citizens or unidentified individuals/groups: 21 in cases
C2. Police force members: 17 in cases
C3: Exponents of the Northern League, also institutional members: 15 in cases
D. VICTIMS
D1. Cases in which the news indicate the sex and/or age of
the victims of violence:
D1a. Men: 48
D1b. Women: 17
D1c. Minors: 4
D2. The most hit categories are:
D2a Immigrants and refugees (in general): in 64 cases
D2b Gypsies: in 15 cases
D2c Jews: in 2 cases
D3. In the few cases in which the nationality of the victims,
mainly of physical violence, is indicated they are:
Moroccan: 7 (two women) and “a family”
Senegalese: 4
Tunisian: 3 (one woman)
Indian: 3 (sikh minority)
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Nigerian: 2 (one woman)
Bangladeshi: “a few”
Albanian: 1
Bulgarian: 1 woman
Guinean: 1
Ivory Coast: 1
Peruvian: 1 woman
Romanian: 1 woman
Somali: 1 woman
Hungarian: 1 minor

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Op zondag 21 september 2008 15:31 schreef Elfletterig het volgende:
Ik weet eigenlijk niet wat ik zorgwekkender vind: dat er extreem rechtse mensen met zieke denkbeelden rondlopen, of dat mensen het recht op vrije meningsuiting wordt ontnomen. Ik vind dat mensen het recht hebben om tegen de bouw van een moskee te zijn, het recht hebben om een uiterst rechtse partij op te richten en het recht hebben om een conferentie te houden.